Alborz

it was fascinating to read

it was fascinating to read stories about the Bab. I had goosebumps knowing that he sacrifice himself for the love of God.I'm not a Bahai ,but i do respect and believe in his teachings .

Thanks Alborz for the info,... it's an eye opener fon non - Bahai

Birth of the Bab is celebrated in more countries ....

Birth of the Bab is celebrated in more countries around the world than birth of Mohammad, I bet you didn’t know that, Bahai faith is the second most wide spread religion in the world, I am proud to be Iranian.

I didn't read all your comments but I ...

Read the initial Birth of the Báb is Celebrated by Baha'is Worldwide article by Alborz.
Thank you dear Alborz for sharing the Birth of the Báb Celebration. I am with you and all Bahais world-wide, peace loving, caring forward thinking people.
My best wishes

N.

Dear Alborz ...

Thank you for your kind words...May his blessings be with you and your loved ones today and always.

Warmest regards,Mona ;)

Baha'i history and law ...

... are seldom areas that fascinate people in this age.  We as Iranians living outside of Iran are enormously fortunate to have access to the historical and authorative texts of a world Faith that was founded in Persia.

During the past 15 years  tremendous effort has been expended in making reference material available on the net, categorizing them and making them searchable.   Is it not amazing that as the library books of individual Baha'is were being confiscated during the raids on their homes, Baha'i Writings were becoming available to anyone, anywhere and in many cases in any language?  As one door was closed, many were being opened.

I am thinking that with your help it may be possible to create a frequently asked questions (FAQ) blog on the Babi and Baha'i Faiths.  With the exception of your questions, so many have been addressed repeatedly.

Many thanks and best wishes to you for asking the questions and to Mona 19 for providing the answers.  I am learning a tremendous amount and now know where to go for answers. :)

Alborz

Dear Persian Empire ...

*For more info about Nabil -i-Azam ( Mulla Muhammad Zarandi), please read this page, and it's written by Abdul baha (son of Baha'u'llah)

//reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/MF/mf-10.html

He's an eminent Bahai historian (author of The Dawn Breakers), he performed the pilgrimage to the house of the Báb in Shiraz and the house of Bahá'u'lláh in Baghdad, making him the first to perform the pilgrimage according to Baha'u'llah's laws, and as far as I know the only person known to have made the two pilgrimages.

*Mirza Musa ( Agha- i- Kalim, Jinab -i- Kalim) :A most faithful brother of Baha'u'llah, ( formost among his apostles) . A kindhearted beliver who accompanied him (Baha'u'llah) in exile, helped his family in countless ways over the years, and remain staunchly faithful to the faith and passed away in 1877.

Dear one I don't want to confuse you :))) ,but 

*There 's another beliver named Nabil; Nabil -i- Akbar in Baha'i history( Mulla Muhammad Qaini) who was the most learned shia mujtahed, the most outstanding man of learning in persia...He met Baha'u'llah twice ( once in Baghdad, and later in Kazimayn), and became a devoted Baha'i later, he suffered much persecutions, and passed away in 1982.

//reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/MF/mf-1.html

Always Be Well Persian Empire :)

Mona

Just fascinate...

Dear Alborz, I am not student/researcher, but I am simply fascinate by Baha'i history and Baha'i low.I am corious by nature.
There were three Baha'is who understood the greatness of the Baha'i Faith.One of them was Jenabe Kalim, right? but who were the two others? PE.

Curious Persian Empire,....

...I thought Mona 19 answered this question in her response to your question.

Mona 19 wrote:  "He cared for the Bab after the passing of  his father, and was responsible for bringing him up. A few month before the martydom of the Bab he was arrested and upon refusing to recant his faith was publicly martyred. He was one the seven martyrs of Tihran. "  So the title 'azam' was one of 'station' and not 'age'.

Are you a student of history and are you doing research in this area?

Alborz

my curiosity:)

Dear Alborz, I asked because I try to know what Khale azam/Nabil azam did that were of significant that they were titled "azam" and not "akbar".Thanks.

Difference...

...in the meaning of these words, is contextual, I believe.  While 'greater' can be translated into 'Akbar' and 'Azam', 'greatest' translates into 'Azam' only. So I guess your depiction of azam>akbar would be correct if taken out of the context. 

But you asked this question in the context of the designations given to the uncles of the Bab.  Is that not relevant anymore?  If it is, then Mona 19's explanation where "Azam" meaning 'greatest' and 'Akbar' meaning 'elder' would be the more appropriate definitions, I think.

I remain curious about the context of your inquiry.

Alborz

Diffrence!

Dear Mona and Alborz,

My point is: what is the difference between "azam" and "akbar"? "azam" > "akbar", right?

Thanks agian,
PE

Difference...

...is explained extremely well and fully by Mona 19.

Just as a curiousity, are you doing research on this subject?  If so, the following source may be of interest to you.

//bahaistudies.net/bahaiworks/Mirza_Habib_Afnan_Memoirs-Rabbanis_translation.pdf

Alborz

Dear Persian Empire ...

The Bab had three maternal uncles.

1.The first one who embarced the faith was Haji Mirza Siyyid Ali ( Khale Azam or the greatest uncle) . He cared for the Bab after the passing of  his father, and was responsible for bringing him up. A few month before the martydom of the Bab he was arrested and upon refusing to recant his faith was publicly martyred. He was one the seven martyrs of Tihran.

2.The eldest uncle, Haji Mirza Siyyid Muhammad ( Known as Khale akbar or the older uncle) although fully aware of the outstanding qualities of his nephew, was not converted to his faith untill he met Baha'u'llah and recieved the Kitab i Iqan in answer to his questions. as a result of reading this book he reached the stage of certitude and recognized the Station of Bab. and many years later declared his faith and identified himself as follower of these twin manifestations of God. ( The Bab, and Baha'u'llah)

//reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/KI/ki-1.html

3. Haji Mirza Siyyid Hassan Ali (Khale asghar or the younger uncle), he also accepted the faith and remained steadfast throughout his life.

all the family of the Bab including his mother, his wife, his uncles and their children embraced the faith. 

Regards, Mona ;)

Difference!

Dear Alborz,

Regarding "Khale azam" and "khale akbar" (Bab's uncles).What is the difference between "azam" and "akbar" ?Do you know?

Thx!

Mr. Mini

Dear Mr. Mini,

Please read the following article written by a Portuguese Baha'i in defense of Islam.

//www.bahairights.org/2008/08/19/a-bahai-in-d...

As Baha'is we accept Islam along side all other divine religions.

All we are asking is that, if you want to make a critisism of The Baha'i Faith, you do it in a logical and respectful manner, and show some evidence for your objections.

with regards
Ramin

مینی آقا...

مینی آقا،

منظور از سعی‌ کردن این بود که در هر گفتمانی احترام را حفظ کنیم.  اگر شما از بعضی‌ مسلمانها شاکی‌ هستید، دلیل بر بی‌ احترامی به یک عید بهائی نمی‌شود.  خودتان شما میتوانید در روز تولد حضرت محمد این عید را در همین سایت درج کنید.  من خودم اولین کسی خواهم بود که به همه مسلمانان و شما تبریک بگم.  شما هم کاری به این نداشته باشید که کی‌ خوشش بیاد، و کی‌ چی‌ خواهد گفت.  ایمان هر کسی‌ در رفتار، گفتار، و پندارش نمایان است، و چون شما خواهان احترام به اسلام هستید، لطفا در این سه مورد تجدید نظر کنید چون این نهایت ایمان شما را نشان خواهد داد.  دینی که اشخاص را به مرحله والاتر برساند کارگر است. در غیر این صورت نداشتن آن دین بهتر است. 

در ضمن در مورد دیانت بهائی و نظریات شما پاسخی را لازم نمیدانم چون مشکل اول شما با بعضی‌ مسلمانهاست و نه دیانتی دیگر.  ولی‌ در صورتی‌ که شما خواهان یک گفتمان منطقی‌ و محترمانه در مورد دیانت بهائی هستید، با کمال میل در این مورد هم میتوانیم صحبت کنیم.

به امید فائق شدن شما بر تمامی چالش ها.

البرز

سعی‌ کنیم که

سعی‌ کنیم که چیکار کنیم؟ ماشالله شما همش میگید بهالله همش حرف خوب گفت و اگر بخواین بی‌ رو در بایسی حرف بزنید میگید بهالله اسلام رو بهتر کرد و تکمیلش کرد.

این بد بخت مسلمون‌های غرب زده هم دور بر میدارند و از آب گل الود ماهی‌ میگیرند که بله روز تولد بهالله مبارک باشد ولی‌ گور بابای روز تولد محمد.

مینی آقا...

مینی آقا،

شما نگران نباشید! مقاله را در مورد هر مبحث اسلامی که میخواهید بنویسید، و مطمئن باشید، که انسانهای والا از هر دیدگاهی تذکر لازم را به متجاوزین به حریم دیگران را خواهند داد.  حرف و یا نظریه معقول را نباید قربانی اراذل و اوباش کرد.

تکامل هر انسان در اولین وحله در رفتار، گفتار، و پندار او نمایان است و بس.  لطفا شما هم مثل همه ما سعی‌ کنید.

البرز

مسلمون‌های ما

مسلمون‌های ما رو باش. البته نه اینکه بگیم مسلمون‌های ما باید کار خاصی‌ بکنند یا باید از بهائی‌ها بد بگن. نه. بهائی‌ها خیلی‌ هم خوب هستند و غیر ذالک.

فقط اگر یک مسلمون بیاد یک بلاگ بنویسه راجع به مثلا ضربت خوردن حضرت علی‌ یا مثلا اگر بخواد تو محلش تو آمریکا یک مسجد باز کنه، واویلا. خشتکشو در میاریم.

تورو خدا نگاه کنید از اینها برای ۲ تا کامنت من عذر خواهی‌ میکنند ولی‌ اگر یک نفر فحش خواهر و مادر به مسلمون‌ها بده به ترک قباشون که بر نمیخوره هیچ، از بابت انهای هم که به ترک قباشون بر میخوره معذرت میخوان!

ماشالله آفرین. آفتابه لگن هفت دست شام و ناهار هیچی‌. یک ذره از این ناز و نوازش هم برای مسلمون‌های بد بخت داشته باشید که چه بخواین چه نخواین خودتون هم مسلمونید. مرغه همسایه غازه! همینه که مردم تو ایران براتون تره هم خورد نمیکنن، برای اینکه همش از ایرانی‌ بودن و مسلمون بودن خجالت می‌کشید!

Ali P and Jamshid - Pre and Post Revolution Persecutions...

... are very different in nature.  The point that I think you both are making is that persecutions have existed during both periods.  The measure by which you are each reaching your conclusions is perhaps not the same and perhaps it is best to evaluate the situation in both periods in terms of the implications of the persecutions in each period.

Post-revolution persecutions are intended to achieve a "cultural cleansing" that has no parallel in the pre-revolution era.  See //question.bahai.org/ for details of what has transpired during the past 29 years.

Pre-revolution persecutions consisted of blows to a community that was highly educated, industrious, and capable of functioning and contributing to the Iranian society.  The inflicted wounds consisted of a mixture of episodic attacks against individuals and symbols of the community, such as the well documented destruction of the Baha'i Center in Tehran.

In both periods the Baha'i Community of Iran has consistently remained obedient to the government of Iran, as matter of religious principle and obligation and not as  ideology or policy.  To the extent that the cost is only their lives and livelihood, they have done this during both periods.

Certainly during the post-revolution period the sacrifice has been more broadly made as the community faced an antagonist in the form of state sponsored initiatives.  This is a state that is only restrained by the power of public and international scrutiny only to the extent that it has a vested stake in it.  The more isolated Iran gets, the harsher the treatment of the Baha'is.

The phenomena of responding to domestic and foreign public opinion was also at play during the pre-revolution period, but was invoked to a lesser degree, since Iran had closer ties with the world and particularly the West and had much more to lose if it allowed the very same clerical influences to carry out their schemes against the Baha'is, officially.  The monarch never the less allowed the occasional attacks to take place in order to reaffirm his ties to the ayatollahs and appease them in the process.

In short, the Baha'i Community has been the target of persecutions during its entire 164 year history in Iran.  Whether you wish to use the number of people executed, deprived of civil rights and education, loss of pensions and property or any other metric, in my humble opinion, the implication during each period needs examination and evaluation.  For me, the evidence points to a far graver situation for the Baha'i Community of Iran, in the post-revolution period.

The views and concerns you have both voiced is appreciated.

Alborz

Ali P, what I wrote is the truth

Up to this present date more Bahais were persecuted during Pahlavi dynasty than the period of February 1979 until present. You can research UN statistics.

یک کم از عقل و شعور خودمون نباید استفاده کنیم؟

Dear Mini! quoting you in the subject. Please be my guest and practice what you preach!

یک کم از عقل و شعور خودمون نباید استفاده کنیم؟

Although painful at first but you will enjoy the ability to utilize your عقل و شعور ! given your comments here seriously challanges their existence.

To Irandokht, Ebi, Ali P, Arash. and many others that cherish...

... justice and demonstrate respect in their comments; I would like to share with you one of the Writings of Baha'u'llah about Justice.

O SON OF SPIRIT! The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes.

Thanks again,

Alborz

PS.  The above Writing is from a collection called the "Hidden Words" or "Kalimaat-e Maknooneh" and can be found online at:

English   //reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/HW/

Persian and Arabic  //reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/

But Serously..

But Serously,

I am sure Mini is quite serious in his remarks, as he truly believes that its all made up... 

Mini, has today demonstrated the kind of obstinate and common trait amongst us of making judgements before knowing

almost nothing about the matter...Pre Judging and Prejudice  go together...

Dear Mini...

It is you that has to have the courage;  to start reading, to educate yourself about fact and history,before making yourself the laughing stock to the whole world..

At the very least have the courage to identify yourself...without.." ترس و لرز و خجالت "

Dear Alborz and all friends of Bahai faith

I'd like to congratulate you all and wish you peace and love.

I'd like to express my disappointment with the negative comments left on your blog too.  It seems like we have long ways to go for a decent level of maturity towards each other.

Happy Birthday celebration to all of you 

IRANdokht

جناب مینی

جناب مینی

انقدر معلومات خود را پز ندید  

farsi 101 for mini bab

پنج بار بنویسید

۱.ضحاک

۲.قاجار

تو کز محنت دیگران بی غمی نشاید که نامت نهند ادمی

جناب مینی شما ساکن این کره هستیید؟؟؟؟

جناب مینی شما ساکن این کره هستیید؟

BREAKING NEWS

THERE IS LIFE ON MARS 

یعنی‌ اگر هر کس

یعنی‌ اگر هر کس با ناز و نوازش حرف نزنه و از گل نازک تر بگه دیگه هیچی‌، زهاک شدیم. بابا یک کم هم به خود این بهاییها گوش کنید ببینید اونها چی‌ میگن. یک روز بهالله امام ۱۲، یک روز شکنجه شده، یک روز از رجال ثروتمند بود که از پول بدش میومده، و غیر ذالک. بازم بگم؟

حالا چون تو ایران بهشون بد رفتار می‌کنن دلیل نمی‌شه هر داستانی رو بگیم درسته. یک کم از عقل و شعور خودمون نباید استفاده کنیم؟ باید با ترس و لرز و خجالت حرف بزنیم؟

۱۷۰ ۸۰ سال پیش که تو همین دوران غاجار خودمونه. شک داریم مردم زمان غاجار داستان سر هم کنن؟ کم مشنگ تو زمان غاجار بوده؟

Mini B...

As everybody on this site knows,I am not a Bahai,but respect them a lot.As long as we(Iranians) don't learn to respect eachother views & beliefs,we can never have a true democratic society,either on cyber world or the real world.If you disagree with their faith,reason with them(like the way they do to their critics) & don't be disrespectful to them.

best wishes