Abusive Language Policy at IC - Clear or Ambiguous ?

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Abusive Language Policy at IC - Clear or Ambiguous ?
by capt_ayhab
31-Oct-2009
 

This morning I received an email from a gentleman  of the contributor whose name [Ostaad] and his avatar [a Khar] we have come to associate with conviction, truthfulness and even at times aggressive, blunt and to the point comments and news articles. 

What saddened me and few others whom I shared the news with, was that he was not going to be part of this community, which we all have come to respect and spent many hours of our lives within. My purpose of this piece is not to second guess the editorial decision that Mr. Javid has to make on daily and hourly basis. Nor it is to pretend to be anything other than [still wet behind ears], [new kid in the blog] and a mere lukewarm contributor.

Value and readership of any online news organization depends on the truthfulness, quality and conviction of its contributors. Whether we share the same conviction with any certain contributor or not, the fact remains that the diversity of a forum like iranian.com and any other online publication is in direct relationship to the quality of people participating in these forums.

Do any of us claim to be at the same caliber and level of professionalism as the gentleman of the publisher? Do we claim to be anywhere near him as far as expertise is concerned in the field of publishing? Answer to these questions is a solid NO. What we may lack in those areas, are compensated by the virtue of our conviction to  A CAUSE, and clarity of our minds. Minds that seek to learn the TRUTH. Minds that seek to enlighten themselves, to be heard, and to be respected.

When one of us leaves the site, whether we agree with his/her opinions or not, should be seen as a loss. A loss of a mind and a person which inspired us, angered us, made us laugh, made us cry and most importantly made us THINK.

Perhaps what is desperately needed is a clearly defined and judiciously enforced abuse policy. A policy that is adhered to by all at all times. A policy that is fairly and not selectively applied to every and all members. After all the infraction that is cited against Mr. Ostaad is in fact this ambiguous and at time discriminatory policy of ABUSIVE language.

 

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by Setareh Cheshmakzan on

 LOL :):)

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Shame he did not take ShahGholam, Q, JalehO, IRIDokht

by Faramarz_Fateh on

Shame Ostaad did not take ShahGholam, Q, JalehO, IRIDokht and the rest of IRIPhiles with him.

 


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nAne gerdoui Souri jAn?

by kharmagas on

Souri jAn, although thee are some divisions along ideological/personality lines in this community, my understanding is that you and I don't agree on their strength.

Regarding the exchange of insults, ...., that does not bother me .... many have insulted me and I have insulted them back. However it is totally understandable that we feel differently about this.... you are a real person and I am just kharmagas ..... there is a huge difference.

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Kharmagas

by Souri on

I'm not so willing to post comment here.

Just  need to mention that I didn't say  anything in that email which must need your agreement, baba ;)

Agree please with whatever you want, but I just asked you to tell me:

What is the thing that you agree with?

Why changing %180 degree? What happened?

If I understand what did happen to you, then I may also understand what is happening to all the other people whom I believe they are very  integrated people, and suddenly  I see a change of siding, in thier behavior.

I will tell you my secret for the gerdooee cookies, when you answer my question.

How come someone who was calling you Malijak, only one month ago, now is becoming your best friend now?

Sorry again for the mis-spelling. I write with  this little handy


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I don't know what you guys are talking about

by anonymous111.2 on

Iranian.com has very detailed comment deletion policies and procedures, complete with a Complaint Review Board.  I posted  a copy of those policies here not too long ago.  Here they are again:

//iranian.com/main/blog/anonymous111-2/what-i-found-when-i-hacked-jjs-e-mail-part-ii


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by sag koochooloo on

Since a blog has been specially created to voice concerns about Ostaad being blocked and being so offended as to leave the site, perhaps you can clarify the situation.

There is even encouragement from Ostaad to others here to boycott the website:

"I intend to boycott iranian.com until the site's management decides to turn it into a professionally run Web site with clear-cut policies about language and subject matter, instead of someone's playground sandbox that he can kick you out on a whim. I urge all of you, who value professionalism and freedom of speech to either boycott iranian.com until you are assured by the management that they value your contributions by establishing the necessary policies, or demand that iranian.com join other professionally run Web sites by developing and announcing much needed user behavior and abusive language policies. "

There seems to be many rumours being raised by the author suggesting  "policies being selectively applied to certain individuals" and there being "ambiguous and discriminatory policy of ABUSIVE language".

These are public points raised on your website JJ and need clarification.

Kind regards. 

 


Q

it is sad to see him go, I hope he reconsiders.

by Q on

As with many other good people in the past, I disagree with the leaving. I think it's wrong to cede ground to those truly abusive hatemongers that Ostaad stands firmly against.

This is about the haters and the racists and character assassins who have little shame and think this kind of abuse gives their pathetic lives some meaning.

The site has been unsuccessful so far with several different strategies, and good people have been sacrificed as a result.


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Mr. Shepesh

by capt_ayhab on

Have you been looking at the mirror a lot??

Blog does not imply such a thing, that is what happens when people do not read but few lines . And if you could care less, why are you spending so much time in commenting?

There are plenty of other threads that can use your talent[WINK].

-YT 


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You make me laugh, I

by Shepesh on

You make me laugh, I couldn't CARE LESS about rude arrogant people. I just answered your blog as you seemed to imply that Mr Javid had been unfair. That is all.


capt_ayhab

مگر اینکه به همین چیزا دلت خوش باشه ;-o)

capt_ayhab


Mr. Shepesh

FYI, and sorry to ruin your day, but Mr. Ostaad has been unblocked, he has chosen not to rejoin and he has stated his reasons.

Next time read entire blog if you do not want to get caught with your britches down. ;-o)

-YT 


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Gosh I must have hit a nerve

by Shepesh on

Obviously you have been very irked by your/ Ostaad's blockage. But dont write a blog if you cannot handle the truth. you react just like the man himself, strange isn't it? it is as if i am speaking to Ostaad.

Hope you/ both feel better soon.


capt_ayhab

Mr. Cost of Progress

by capt_ayhab on

I do appreciate your kind word. You perhaps are way too generous toward me, since I am known to have conducted in very bad manners at times. And trust me I am NOT being humble here.

We all have dear sir, and this is my exact point. I never condone anyone's uncivilized behavior toward people and never will. The points I am trying to make are:

1. Do we have clear and concise behavioral policy in IC?


2. If so; Are they being applied to all at all times in a fair and consistent manner?

 

Now regarding Mr. Ostaad in particular, I am not certain if you have seen the comment for which he was blocked. I have, and the gentleman to whom the comment was directed  did not flag Ostaad himself. You can read the very first comment posted by Mr. Kadivar and see for yourself.

I do appreciate your feedback about this blog and myself, but I assure you that I would have done the same thing [which I am know to have] if that person was anyone other than Mr. Ostaad. As I said earlier, I personally very seldom flag. The few occasions that I have flagged anyone was in relation to vicious attacks and profanity that was used on my family by certain very unkind gentleman.

 

Respectfully

-YT 

P/S I am not a programmer, however I have made couple of suggestions to Mr. Javid regarding some possible modification which automatically edits the comments based on certain predefined words and criteria.


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Mr. Shepesh

by capt_ayhab on

You say[What a rediculous blog. Not because Ostaad has been blocked, but because of its denial and hypocrisy. Just because a person has the same
political objectives as you or is your "friend" Mr Ayhab it does not
mean they can get away with unacceptable and disrespectable behaviour indefinately
.]

Due respect, ridicules is what ridicules says. That should take care of your arrogant and uncalled for remark.

As to my friendship with Mr. Ostaad, or even my agreement with his political views, all I can tell you that you must be either close friend of mine to have that information, or you are basically lying to make a point.

I do not agree with all of his political views but that does not mean that he has to be shut down. You Mr. Shepesh on the other hand are one of the most belligerent and arrogant characters I have had the displeasure of knowing through your writings, and through your personal attacks on my person. So please lets try and not to act like Mother Tresa since you yourself hardly debate in a  civil manner, unless the person debating you agrees with everything you say.

Hopefully you get my point and wake up from your delusion of being the most civil person yourself since you make this statement[It is our personal responsibility to be civil to others] while insulting  people whom you do not know.

Asides from that, I am not here to make any friends, particularly when it is long distance. I am here to see the opposing views and I need no one to [bah bah o chah chah] about everything I say.

-YT 

P/S : its ridiculous and not rediculous, It is disrespectful and not disrespectable it is behavior and not behaviour
and finally its indefinitely and not  indefinately


kharmagas

nAne gerdooui Souri jAn?

by kharmagas on

I am sure you bake good cookies (nAne gerdoui?). If I understand correctly when one clears the cookies in the browser he/she can't edit comments that were written before then. I have tested it several times with consistent result. I got your email, I don't agree, as you know I am a kalleh khar also!

BTW, do you have the original recipe for nAne gerdoui, the one I found in Najmieh's book didn't turn like the ones back home in Iran.

 


Cost-of-Progress

Ayhab, you're so polite

by Cost-of-Progress on

You said: "This is not about standing up for anyone, rather a much bigger picture. Being whether the policy is being applied fairly and whether the policy is clear to begin with. "

Actually, the point of the blog WAS your standing up for him. Nothing wrong with that, so let's not piss in each other's shoes and claim that it is ranining, OK? I have seen time and again that you side with his views...nothing wrong with that, so please do not try to paint it otherwise.

As for my stating the truth and you wanting to call me on my self righteousness....pahleeez...you say what you say, and I say what I say. Talk is abundant, specially on this site.

Ostaad is at best condescending and arrogant.

Oh, I almost forgot and had to go back for edit: I have no ill thoughts toward you sir. I find that most, if not all the time, you try to adhere to some kind of a code of conduct and hence, the "polite" reference above. I do mean it.

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PUT IRAN FIRST 

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Re: Abusive bahaviour

by Shepesh on

What a rediculous blog. Not because Ostaad has been blocked, but because of its denial and hypocrisy. Just because a person has the same political objectives as you or is your "friend" Mr Ayhab it does not mean they can get away with unacceptable and disrespectable behaviour indefinately. I am glad Mr Javid has higher standards than you where this is concerned. In fact, he is very tolerant, which can be seen from the types of comments that still remain on this website.

To be blocked you have to be some kind of repeat offender (not just bad language, but bad behaviour) and you cannot expect JJ to go round deleting comments of same persons all the time. Or to spell it out to people what common sense is.

It is our personal responsibility to be civil to others. And to maintain some type of discipline when addressing others, manners. I do not want anyone to be blocked, but people should accept responsibility for their actions, and realise that there should be no special cases.

In my view what needs to be "fixed" is attitudes and egos.


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Craig

by KouroshS on

You are full of surprises!

There is no "good" way to label somebody as something they aren't

Really? so what is your secret in doing that in such a superior manner?

Take a Lotta of Guts and Audacity to make such claim.


Souri

Kharmagas jan

by Souri on

Thank you. The cooki problem is my faulth. I had replied to your comment, don't worry.

I'd got your point about the account blocking (but you know well what I think about that) so I refrain from saying more here.

Sorry for the mis-spelling.

Same problem ;)


kharmagas

Souri

by kharmagas on

I stand corrected. I reluctantly used that term to prevent the mix up with another poster who happened to be a guy, and had earlier posted a comment in this thread. I can't edit my original comment (cookie issue), otherwise I would correct it to a 'fellow commenter (not a guy)'.

Going back to the subject and away from the details, my comment was mainly about account blocking, .....,   

 


Souri

Kharmagas besiar aziz

by Souri on

In your first comment here, you mentioned a "female poster"

If you were referring to me (I said: if) I wish you won't call me a female poster, dear. I'd rather you call me just a "friend" or a woman.....but not a female! It remind me of a female elephant, lol ;)

Hope you accept my request. You know how much I like and value you.

BTW: I'd sent you an email about that same comment, via IC. Did you get it?

Take care, 


kharmagas

yes Craig

by kharmagas on

There is no heated debate going on here, there is also no mention of Z word in any form (Zionism, Zionist etc) ... so go get your amusment elsewhere...


capt_ayhab

Mr. Cost of Progress

by capt_ayhab on

Obviously as deep as you are in your dislike of some people who are not in the same polarity as yourself, you have missed the entire point of the blog.

This is not about standing up for anyone, rather a much bigger picture. Being whether the policy is being applied fairly and whether the policy is clear to begin with.

Secondly, don't criticize others while you are doing the same thing.

Here  [Kind of interesting as those who are standing up for him (not everyone)
are generally in the same frame of mind as he is (expectedly).
]

Or when you say[but his style is antagonistic with a touch of superiority complex.......]

Shall I bring to your attention what this type of self righteousness is called?

-YT 

P/S I am glad though that this little blog gave you an opportunity to rid yourself of your own aggression toward people, in particular toward myself. 


Cost-of-Progress

Did not even know

by Cost-of-Progress on

that Ostaad has been blocked.

He's been abusive on this site on occasion (only once to me when he said STFU to me in one of Freds threads). Since I don't necessarily believe in flagging folks, I let it go. Besides, like EPC said, I'm a big boy.....

He writes about respecting others' point of view, but he had a habit of going around on blogs and mocking people and criticizing them. I am sure they're still there as it has not been that long, like last week.

He does have some good points to make when he's not mocking or criticizing folks, but his style is antagonistic with a touch of superiority complex.......

Kind of interesting as those who are standing up for him (not everyone) are generally in the same frame of mind as he is (expectedly).

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ex programmer craig

kharmagas

by ex programmer craig on

...however in the old days (pre ex days)...

And what was your handle in the old days? Because it damn sure wasn't the one you are using now! What happened? Your reputation became too soiled so you re-invented yourself?

...one could use the Z word even in a good context...

There is no "good" way to label somebody as something they aren't. And as far as "good" contexts, I seem to recall your crew using the "z word" interchangeably with other words such as "nazi", "fascist" and "neocon". That's a good context? If it's so great how come you are afraid to say "zionist" now? It seems like even in your own mind you acknowledge you were using it as an epithet, just as people use the "n word" :p


kharmagas

genn-o besmellA! (to Ayhab)

by kharmagas on

Ayhab, these days this guy, like the leaders of his party, enjoys watching Iranians fight amongst each other and occasionally adds some fire to the fight,......., however in the old days (pre ex days) one could use the Z word even in a good context, and he would quickly blow a few fuses, backfire etc..... the Z word was like besmellA to this genne boo dadeh!