Abusive Language Policy at IC - Clear or Ambiguous ?

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Abusive Language Policy at IC - Clear or Ambiguous ?
by capt_ayhab
31-Oct-2009
 

This morning I received an email from a gentleman  of the contributor whose name [Ostaad] and his avatar [a Khar] we have come to associate with conviction, truthfulness and even at times aggressive, blunt and to the point comments and news articles. 

What saddened me and few others whom I shared the news with, was that he was not going to be part of this community, which we all have come to respect and spent many hours of our lives within. My purpose of this piece is not to second guess the editorial decision that Mr. Javid has to make on daily and hourly basis. Nor it is to pretend to be anything other than [still wet behind ears], [new kid in the blog] and a mere lukewarm contributor.

Value and readership of any online news organization depends on the truthfulness, quality and conviction of its contributors. Whether we share the same conviction with any certain contributor or not, the fact remains that the diversity of a forum like iranian.com and any other online publication is in direct relationship to the quality of people participating in these forums.

Do any of us claim to be at the same caliber and level of professionalism as the gentleman of the publisher? Do we claim to be anywhere near him as far as expertise is concerned in the field of publishing? Answer to these questions is a solid NO. What we may lack in those areas, are compensated by the virtue of our conviction to  A CAUSE, and clarity of our minds. Minds that seek to learn the TRUTH. Minds that seek to enlighten themselves, to be heard, and to be respected.

When one of us leaves the site, whether we agree with his/her opinions or not, should be seen as a loss. A loss of a mind and a person which inspired us, angered us, made us laugh, made us cry and most importantly made us THINK.

Perhaps what is desperately needed is a clearly defined and judiciously enforced abuse policy. A policy that is adhered to by all at all times. A policy that is fairly and not selectively applied to every and all members. After all the infraction that is cited against Mr. Ostaad is in fact this ambiguous and at time discriminatory policy of ABUSIVE language.

 

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Anonymous8

Sad about Osaad

by Anonymous8 on

it is perfectly understandable rquest. what are the rules specifics, so we can know who breaks them?

it would be helpful to know. 


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EPC

by Shepesh on

For your information "Ostaad" means "Professor" in Iranian, and Ayhab claims to be a Professor in USA. I can claim to be the Pope, but it does not mean that I am. I know lecturers in Iran and Uk, and no intellectual behaves or talks like this.

Ayhab says: Some people obviously do not understand to be talked to in a civilized manner

... More likely he is a comedian without knowing it.

That is my last comment on this blog.

 


ex programmer craig

So...

by ex programmer craig on

You are just whining? Still? And being abusive at the same time you complain about abuse? What else is new? Somebody needs to take your ego down a few notches. I hope when you are abusive with your students (I'm sure you are the same sort of "gentleman" in class you are here, right?) that one of them eventually says "To hell with the grades, I'm kicking this bastard's ass right here in class".

I'm guessing you'll either be filing for unemployment at that point, or you will have learned how to keep yourself in check.By the way, do you teach college anywhere in Southern california? Because I've been taking classes just for fun the last few semesters, and I'd love to enroll in one of your classes! I'd be very interested to see how you behave in the real world. And besides, I've been getting bugged to meet people from thsi website! What better place than a neutral ground like a classroom?


capt_ayhab

Craig

by capt_ayhab on

I mind you that you have been , ever so arrogantly and ignorantly attacking me while from other sides you have been trying to preach that I am abusive.

Let me be very frank with you. Every time I have to respond to you I have to bring my intellect level down few dozens notches just to be able to stoop to your level of ignorance and blind hatred. So the subject matter is, since you are obviously incapable of focusing and typing a coherent repose to the question :

Do we have a clear and concise abusive language policy?


If so, are they being applied in consistent and fair manner to all.

Those are the subject matters, now for the nth time, either stay with the subject or find some other blog to demonstrate you arrogance and ignorance of the subjects that are being debated.

Some people obviously do not understand to be talked to in a civilized manner. That goes for your other buddy here, to whose rescue you have come.

-YT 


ex programmer craig

Subject?

by ex programmer craig on

The subject is you whining about how your "Ostaad" account got blocked, right? You are whining about something else now?


capt_ayhab

Mr.'s Craig, Shepesh No Spamming please

by capt_ayhab on

Once you two are done patting each other on each others back and before you open up bottles of champagne, since this blog has a very certain and focused objective I have to invite both of you either to stay with subject or take your paranoia and speculations else where.

Reminder  of the rules of conduct here, As the owner of the blog I can and I am demanding for you two to stay focused on the subject matter. In another words, stop spamming.

;-o)

 

-YT 

 


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LOL.  "Ostaad" indeed.

by Shepesh on

LOL.  "Ostaad" indeed.

EX Craig - I have a habit (which I get a lot of punishment for evidently) for protecting others that are being slurred or ganged up on. To be honest I do not care about insults but "Racism" is so serious to me as my daughter is a solicitor who deals with Minorities and it is an issue that is close to our hearts.

I should not get involved I suppose but one sees these harassments and tries to cool it down, but ends up getting blamed for harassment of the abuser!


ex programmer craig

Shepesh

by ex programmer craig on

Yes, Ayhab is one of the worst offenders when it comes to abuse. I thought it was really funny when he made two unprovoked abusive comments in another thread, and then made a comment here literally 2 minutes later complaining about abusive people on IC. He's also a terrible bigot, and has made numerous posts complaining about bigotry. He had one post about racism going at the same time he was making fun of "rednecks" in another thread. And don't get me started on his issues with basic honesty! This guy just doesn't get it, and at his age he never will. No sense in trying to reason with him.

And by the way, I didn't believe Ayhab was Ostaad until he made this post. Nobody throws such a temper tantrum about another  person he claims to hardly know being moderated. Ostaad is either Ayhab or he's Ayhab's boyfriend.

JJ, if you are raeding this what's the status on trying to restrict access to a single account? Are you even looking at that? I hope so. Ayhab has obviously stopped trying to convince everyone he's a nice guy on the Ayhab account, and that means in my estimation he's already got another (or more than one even!) "nice guy" account he's been using.


capt_ayhab

indeed

by capt_ayhab on

Actually that would not be fair to those gentlemen, since at least they do not complain when some one comments on their blogs, and actually they invite the dialogue.

I need you to know one thing, I have nothing against your person what so ever, you two in one and one on two characters have been antagonizing me for leaving comments on news threads you post and accusing me of harassment. Regretfully as you notice that does not sit well with me.

Have a great day and I rather do not spend anymore time on hashing and rehashing this childish subject, for I have made myself very clear over and over and over again.

Now I have got to run, young minds are awaiting to be spoiled ;-0)

 

-YT 


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Sad

by Shepesh on

Well you should complain about multiple IDs if that is another accusation you are making towards others. You might as well include my other IDs as kashani, Anonymous, EXCraig, Bijan, and others i have defended. Or is that because people think that you are the same individual as Ostaad that you are so keen to defend here?

You are the most mixed up individual in terms of morals. All you do is slander and then turn it around. The most intolerant of types who has to abuse people who are different, exactly the attitudes Iranians are tired of.

In fact I was addressing another poster here and not you.


capt_ayhab

Mr. Shepesh AKA sag koochoolo Sorry for delay, was out of town

by capt_ayhab on

As I have said to you and your alter ego, people who can not handle comments on their news thread and jump off the handle and start accusing  commentators of harassment and childish acts like that need not to participate in contributing the news of blogs.

There are other sites that you can join which adds no value to your knowledge and items that you post is of no value. They are called chat rooms. In my humble opinion that is where you and your other id's belong.

That said, I am flattered that you have spend so much time on quoting my benign comments on your BIASED and HATE MONGERING news thread, and so desperately trying to present them as abusive languages.

Allow me to clarify it to you. Abusive language consists of personal vicious attacks and profanity, so far your weak case against me have failed miserably in demonstrating either.

However what you have succeeded  in your childish attempt is a weak and desperate attempt to slander my name. Let me tell you one thing very frankly, I do not take these kinds of personal attacks  and childish attempts in  slandering my name very lightly.

Lets have an understanding here, as I have said to you and your other id. either do not post any news item that is directed on demonzing my people, or be prepared for it to be read and commented on. Hopefully now that you have got me to spend five minutes on this comment we have a better understanding of one another. and hopefully you will ceases whining just because some one read your news article and who does not agree with it ;-0)

-YT 


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OnlyIran

by Shepesh on

I agree with you entirely. I think that there are known abusers under different usernames, that consistently leave personal attacks. There are so many examples. this is just one from last night, and ironically from the author of this blog . Accusations of "racist and war mongering ideology " - I am perhaps one of only posters that post Human Rights news about minorities and have always opposed war and sanctions. I can take most insults, but an allegation as serious as Racism is deemed acceptable on this website. This is why I have chosen to address you directly and say I understand your point.

//iranian.com/main/news/2009/11/06/war-pr...

"defend your racist and war mongering ideology "

And another blog where I am told to "mind my own business" when I choose to comment where another blogger is being personally attacked and accused of "hate Iranians? " .

//iranian.com/main/news/2009/11/06/iran-p...

"you only know how to hate Iranians? "

Often the topic of the blog is overlooked and the poster of the news personally attacked by those that do not like the news or have a different political opinion. This is what he said to the person who posted the news article:

"hate filled news articles other than name calling and showing level of your ignorance."

Now is this civilized? I have witnessed so many blogs, persons being slandered by the same known offenders on a continuous basis. Other websites and Discussion Boards, these types of slanderous personal attacks are not tolerated. It is not a question of swear words, but abuse. Slander is abuse.


benross

Onlyiran

by benross on

benross: thanks, but I'm not that young.  I was going to say that I take it as a compliment, but then I saw the error in saying that because you're commenting on my writing as opposed to my appearance!!!  Nonetheless, I'll go ahead and take it as a compliment since I just had a birthday!

Oh I see everybody young! Nonetheless, the tone of discussions, wherever and with whomever, would be more appealing to the youth if it is with mutual respect and devoid of pain and hatred of the past. Some others prefer to burn in their hatred.

Yes, I would agree that you shouldn't take it as a compliment! But you are always interesting to read nonetheless.


Onlyiran

Kourosh and benross

by Onlyiran on

Kourosh: Thanks for your input, and your compliment about my blogs.  No offense here.  You have your point of view on the issue and I respect it.  It's just that it's little unsettling to see this kind of assault by someone who is  known for personal attacks.  The funny thing in all this is that I have never read any books by Kinzer.  The blog, just like my other blogs, was my personal observation on the issue.

benross: thanks, but I'm not that young.  I was going to say that I take it as a compliment, but then I saw the error in saying that because you're commenting on my writing as opposed to my appearance!!!  Nonetheless, I'll go ahead and take it as a compliment since I just had a birthday! 


benross

I think 'personal attack' is

by benross on

I think 'personal attack' is not quite the case. I believe though, that it is important to engage the youth in such discussions without having an impatient paternalistic -in this case maternalistic!- 'look down' attitude which is not helpful. I guess the 'attack' is felt from there.


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Onlyiran

by KouroshS on

I am sorry Sir/Ma'am. But excluding the profanity that this person is assumed to have used, I really did not see anything resembling a "personal attack" on you. She blamed you for supposedly (based on what she thought and said in that particular comment) limiting your assertions to the knowledge you have based on Stephen Kintzer's books and she thought that was so outrageos!

She did go a little too far and used strong words, but whatever that was, it was a far cry from a personal attack. I hope i am not offending you here, because i really like your style and the subjects of what your blongs and the fact that they are more engaging than many other ones in the same subject line, Just wanted to say my opinion:)


Onlyiran

I have to agree about the moderation problem on this site

by Onlyiran on

that the moderation policy on this site is strange to say the least.  Once a while I write a blog on this site.  I write on topics that are of interest to me (I guess that i swhat blogging is all about).  My blogs ususally have good readership.  I always go out of my way to be respectful to commentors.  I never attack or abuse anyone, and always remain poilte to people who disagree with me.

I posted a blog here yesterday.  Here it is:

//iranian.com/main/blog/onlyiran/obamas-1953-moment

Most of the commentors diagreed with me, but, as always, I enjoyed my discussion with them.  Suddenly, this "Farah Rusta" character, who I suspect of being a known abuser under the different username, shows up and leaves a comment that is nothing but a personal attack.  Moreover, she had used a profanity in the subject line.  I flagged the comment.  But does it get deleted?  NO!!!  In fact, the "moderator" goes as far as deleting the profanity in the subject line and keeping the comment!!!!  Now, I have seen comments get deleted for much less offensive stuff.  Why the moderator goes out of his / her way to keep a personal attack is beyond me.

Also, I guess the site "moderator" here gives no deference to users who follow the site's rules, such as me, and who do not attack others.  This is a shame, as there are a handful of people on this site who do so, and I guess the site's operators do not see the value of users who want to keep a civil discourse on this site.  Being attacked like this leaves a very bad taste in a person's mouth, and makes one not want to contribute material again. 

This site needs a better, more impartial moderator.


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kharmajjas

by KouroshS on

My Love message to you was deleted...

I am so sad now,


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delete

by sag koochooloo on

delete


capt_ayhab

Mr. Karmagas

by capt_ayhab on

You crack me up........... ;-o)

-YT 


kharmagas

Kourosh La'nati!

by kharmagas on

Kourosh, La'nati, you did good there (*), what can I say!

Ostaad, please come back, you are needed in the news section ... tolleh Sag is going to take over! (**)

(*) R*dee be yaro raft.

(**) Ayhab, I wrote that sentence in order not to be off topic.


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Kharmagas

by KouroshS on

Kheili tazegia sheytoon shodi:)

You have been keeping an eye on the 13 aban blog and deserted your pal (me)


NOT_AK69

LoL

by NOT_AK69 on


kharmagas

Easy Ayhab

by kharmagas on

Souri addressed a response to me ..... and my original post to her was directly related to the subject ... although I was very vague in order not to bring any names into the discussion.

 


capt_ayhab

Ms. Souri - No Spamming please

by capt_ayhab on

I can not understand why are we even having this conversation. I asked you very politely to STOP SPAMMING this thread.

What part of that statement is not clear for you?

-YT 


Souri

Capt-

by Souri on

You can do whatever please you, and I would request you "politely" to stay away from addressing me. As you know well I do not  have any interest talking to the like of you.

I came here because someone addressed me in this blog. I replied to him.

Your blog don't deserve my attention. As you may have already noticed, I don't give a rat to the subject of your blog.

Now, I  leave this thread very volountarily. 

And unless you die for a little attention from me again, you shouldn't address me anymore (As I never address you)


capt_ayhab

Ms. Souri lets stick to subject!

by capt_ayhab on

That was a request and not an order, but if you like to consider it an order so be it.

I have all the rights to ask commentators to remain on the subject matter. Since you refuse to focus and insist on spamming the thread with irrelevant and nonsense comments I have no choice but to invite you to not to participate in this blog.

I suggest if you have any axes to grind with me or anyone else, you place them on a blog and go from there.

I do not think my request is out of ordinary, so please stay with subject or leave.

Regards

-YT 


Souri

Capt-

by Souri on

I think I had already told you that you are not IN ANY CASE allowed to order to me what I have to do or not to do! Stay in your own place and play with the people of you own level.

I go wherever i am pleased to and say whatever I want to say.

and remember always:  Never ever thank in advance for something you are sure you will never get.


capt_ayhab

Ms. Souri

by capt_ayhab on

This thread is written because of a very serious matter. I would appreciate it if you either comment relevant to the subject matter or refrain from commenting.

Distractions, and name callings that you have made your agenda is counter productive to everything I am trying to attain from this blog.

Thank you in advance for observing the focus of the blog.

-YT 


Souri

LoL Kharmagas

by Souri on

Chera hers bekhoram? mageh kholam?

I'm glad that J closed the blog. I don't want to see smart people like Craig and Kourosh, wasting their time like this. 

I like you too, but you are of another type :)

As you said already, you don't see any problem with that.

For the rest of the "pishaahang"  of this site:

"ataaeshoon ro be laghaayeshoon bakhshidam "

As I told you in my email, it is starting to smell something not very catholic here. I'd rather to stay out of that.