Capt Ayhab

Ayhab

Well since I had not even been in the same thread as you in days before that offhand attack on me (while you were calling Amil a racist and other things), and we all know you do not lie, I must assume that you accidentally logged in on "ayhab" when you meant to log in on another account, eh? The one that does make unprovoked abusive personal attacks? :o

I don't understand

How is he blocked?  He's still posting.  Is he now "unblocked"?

Craig

You really need to do something about your fascination with me. In 4 lines of comment[last paragraph] you have Ayhab Ayhabed 3 times. If you haven't noticed by now, allow me to make it clear for you once and for all.

I do not attack if I am not attacked. End of the story.

ajeeb geraftari shoeem ha.

-YT 

Souri

Thanks! Careful, though! I already have enough of an ego problem :)

د، پس چطور شد؟

د، پس چطور شد؟ این کاپیتان به ما خبر داد، استاد رفته ما هم براش یه فاتحه خوندیم. رفتیم براش گلاب بخریم بریزیم رو مزارش که دیدیم مرده زنده شد! زنده که شد هیچی‌، دیدیم زبونشم هفت گز درازه.

تازه این آقای کاپیتان یک عالمه سخنرانی‌ کرد که بعضیا چنینند و چنانند بعد رفت دوتا کامنت نستی گذاشت برای یکی‌ دیگه. فقط میخواستین یه پول گلاب بندازین رو دست من بدبخت؟  مگه دل درد دارین شماها؟

Mr. Ostaad Geraamee,

Welcome back home, and please stay!

btw, I like your new avatar, it's very cute!

EPC :)

LoL, you are very intelligent ....

One of the smartest guy I have ever seen in this site !

Esther

If we can, we should try to come up with something better. 

The current moderation is arbitrary and quite biased, and sporadically applied. I humbly submit that no moderation at all is preferable.

If we
can't, we should try to stop complaining about it all the time.

*shrug* It is what it is. Ayhab just pulled off an abusive double tap in another thread right before he came here to welcome Ostaad back. As long as my comments (or my account!) don't get deleted when I tell Ayhab what I really think of him, I'm fine with Ayhab's behavior. I'm a big boy.

Welcome back refigh

That is all I have to say.

-YT 

To clarify

benross, I agree, common sense would be fine, except the "common" seems to be missing.

XPC, I would like to clarify that the quoted text is not *mine*.  It is current i.com policy which can be found from the "User Agreement and Privacy Policy" link at the bottom of your screen.  I agree that no definition of a term like "abusive" (my personal favorite is "canard") is going to solve everything for everyone.  But, some examples of what a moderator will consider abusive, and what they will consider "spirited debate", might add some value for some people.

Also, it could be worthwhile to consider not only substantive but also/alternatively procedural improvements.  By substantive I mean things like clarifying the definitions of terms, and by procedural I mean things like reducing the abusive use of multiple accounts, clarifying the procedures by which comments are deleted, accounts are suspended, etc.

I'm just saying that right now, this is the policy we have, and this is the way in which it is being enforced.  If we can, we should try to come up with something better.  If we can't, we should try to stop complaining about it all the time.

Esther

You may not post Content that is libelous, defamatory, obscene, abusive, that violates a third party's right to privacy...

That word "abusive" is the problem. We all know abusive behavior when we see it. But how does one quantify it? And how does one determine who the original perp is? Anyone who has ever been married knows how an argument can become abusive on BOTH sides, after one comment that attacks a person's personality or character is made. I don't think there's anyway to enforce such a policy fairly. In the past, I've had problems with at least one moderator who determined my comments to be abusive even when I was responding to abusive comments she herself was making to me! So she deleted my comments and left those of hers and her friends in place! And she laughed about it, saying she was cleaning up IC. Yes, very funny. And great moderation!

Personally, the only moderation I'd like to see on IC is making sure people can only use one account. Or at least make it DAMN HARD for people to use more than one account. There's way too much going on here with people having good cop/bad cop accounts where they tear into somebody on one and then come and play the neutral bystander who happens to agree that so-and-so deserved what just happened to them. There's also too much of the sock-puppet game where people use multiple accounts to agree with themselves, but at least that's only ridiculous and not harmful. I think if people had to live with what they had said previously (and enemies they had made previously) this site might be a little better at policing itself.

I have not expressed an opinion about Ostaad (and Ostaad has been abusive towards me, and if we used your criteria, Esther, then he'd fail it) and I don't intend to now. I just want to say to all the people in this thread who, under the name used here or another, told me to shut up and stop whining when I brought this up in the past: break out a mirror and look hypocrisy in the eyes.

And by the way, I've never flagged Ostaad. I think I've only flagged t people and a grand total of about 4 comments. And those were *really* over the top comments. 

rule of conduct?

How about common sense?

i.com Language Policy

First Souri and JJ's "comment" threads, now this.  As a relatively "outside" observer, I'm reluctant to propose anything, but I can't help feeling that this is an issue that many are concerned about.

I have a humble suggestion.  If i.com can't/won't come up with a language policy, why don't the users?  After all, there is no site without the users - and it would be great to have a language policy developed by the users.

I.com's contribution (from s. 2 of its "User Agreement and Privacy Policy"):

"You may not post Content that is libelous, defamatory, obscene, abusive,
that violates a third party's right to privacy, that otherwise violates
any applicable local, state, national or international law, or is
otherwise inappropriate.  You may not post Content that degrades others
on the basis of gender, race, class, ethnicity, national origin,
religion, sexual preference, disability or other classification. 
Epithets, slurs, canards and other language intended to intimidate or
to incite violence will not be tolerated."

Additions?  Clarifications?  Suggestions other than a language policy?  I think if the users want something other than the status quo, if they develop it, get a majority of other users to sign on, and present it to i.com - chances are that i.com would implement it, or at least seriously consider it.

"Another Brick in the Wall"...

...

if there are no written rules of conduct:

Lets try to follow our own!

Welcome back Ostaad and hope to see more of your contributions.

Thanks

IRANdokht

not a time to boycott, Ostaad!

Ostaad, I have been around this site much longer than you, and I have seen many of us posters (excluding myself, perhaps!) and the administrators of this site and this site as a whole growing up and becoming the colorful and lively site that it is,..., this is not a time to boycott, .... Ostaad.

Ostaad, dast az Kaleh khar bAzi bardAr and continue posting and suggesting your enhancements ..... I have worked for some of the best companies in the the U.S and have never worked for a place that the manager accepted my suggestions for enhancement right away, in one case the manager implemented my enhancement after I got fired!

Thanks, Mr. Javid

You're a gentleman.

Ostaad says: I urge all of you, who value professionalism and freedom of speech to either boycott iranian.com until you are assured by the management that they value your contributions by establishing the necessary policies, or demand that iranian.com join other professionally run Web sites by developing and announcing much needed user behavior and abusive language policies.

I also join my voice to his, please establish clear rules of how one should behave on IC. These rules would help each one of us to know his/her limits when addressing to the others. Ba sepass.

نترسین نترسین, ما همه با هم هستیم

Just a friendly advice to the iranina.com management...

During the one-year-plus time that have been "on" the iranian.com I have made several attempts to get the site's management to come up with clear-cut policies to deal with the account blocking and abusive language issues. ALL professionally managed Web site have developed, and clearly communicated such policies to their users. I have even sent iranina.com management samples of the abusive language policies used by the Jerusalem Post and a couple of others. Sadly, all of that has fallen on deaf ears.

I don't know about you friends, but I REFUSE to use a site which lacks such necessary policies where the blocking, and unblocking of user accounts is at the whim of an individual, or individuals, in a completely arbitrary manner. For example, in response to my inquiry about the reason why my account was blocked, the sites's rahbar-e-farzaneh responded with a one-liner that it was done because of "abusive language"! That's all! There was no reference to any specific violation of the site's abusive language policy, none. Why? Because there's none! It is one thing to violate a specific policy and being called on it. It is quite another thing to run afoul of the site's "sansorchi" merely because of his TASTE!

I intend to boycott iranian.com until the site's management decides to turn it into a professionally run Web site with clear-cut policies about language and subject matter, instead of someone's playground sandbox that he can kick you out on a whim. I urge all of you, who value professionalism and freedom of speech to either boycott iranian.com until you are assured by the management that they value your contributions by establishing the necessary policies, or demand that iranian.com join other professionally run Web sites by developing and announcing much needed user behavior and abusive language policies.

I would like to thank with all my heart all of you who have spoken up, not to merely protest JJ's arbitrary treatment of my user account, but to let the mangement know that there is something seriously amiss and they need to fix it.

Anooshirvan (Anoosh) Ghazai, AKA Ostaad and Shadooneh before that.

I'd like to hear from you cyber doostaneh geraami. You can contact me at: aghazai@hotmail.com

Khoda negahdaa,

I have always enjoyed reading the news he posted on this site...

Its indeed sad that he is not here anymore.

Iran to appoint clerics in all schools: report!

//iranian.com/main/news/2009/11/01/iran-appoi...

Maybe one of those clerics ended up in iranian.com and blocked Ostaad's account!?

Mr. Javid,

You’re acting like mullahs in Iran, very irresponsible and immature. By blocking people to have access to your site, you’re just showing the despotic side of your personality which is not really sycophantic. If you block smart people like Ostaad and keep extremist thinkers like Fred or Shah Ghollam on IC, what would this site look like in a near future?

You’ve created this site and have done a lot for the Iranian community living abroad, we are all thankful for that. But this does not give you the power to push out whoever you disagree with or don’t like out of IC. When you created this site, it became a public forum i.e. You can not in one hand pretend that the site is public and in the other behave like a monarch on it. Even Reza Pahlavi understood that monarchy is not viable.

Now, try to be more responsible and reopen Ostaad’s account. I would else feel that you’re looking to have a harem in which there are just some nuts and cheap sex sellers. i.e. I’ll leave YOUR site.

sad

indeed...

WRONG decision (to JJ)

In several of the heated arguments that Ostaad and his close friends had with a female poster I was supportive of the female poster .... BUT if indeed you blocked Ostaad, that is wrong. Simply WRONG.

If people such as Ostaad, Kadivar, and even this crazy SamSamIIII are blocked, this site will not be the same lively site.

Ayhab: many thanks for this blog

Mr. benross

I agree, nothing wrong with flagging. I personally very seldom flag a comment, no matter how vicious and stupid the comments gets. Even my family members have not been spared.

Point of the matter is, WE ALL are guilty of it all at one point or the other. Unless we carry a halo of divinity around our heads[like Ahmadinejad] I think we should rather refrain from judging  others. This sort of attitude has name last I checked, and it is called hypocrisy.

Regards

-YT 

Khoda biamorzadesh!

His favorite phrase was "brain fart". Brain fart this, brain fart that.

He shall not be missed!

sad...

Ebi aka Haaji

.....

Thank you for the article. I wonder if there is a guideline or warning on how a user can get suspended or expelled from IC. Is there a written rule or regulation somewhere? I don't want to get booted! If I decide to leave, it has to be on my terms! O:)

   thanks,

I flagged Ostaad a couple of

I flagged Ostaad a couple of times. I have no regret. But it didn't work. In the box that I had to explain why I flagged, I wrote 'see for yourself'. I don't see flagging unethical and if it is, the button shouldn't be there to begin with. I guess we can all benefit from proper language. If the old timers are kind of used to that exchange of abusive language, they are far better off to change their habits. Abusive language has no use except some childish excitement, no purpose but disruption and no goal. It is an insult to the notion of freedom of expression when such language is condoned. It is understandable that people who lack proper vocabulary might use some crude language. This has never been an issue.

A person who deliberately insults people for provocation, and for disrupting a respectable exchange of idea is not such an innocent victim.

JJ, you rascal ;)

1st off , Gotte say that JJ stands in almost complete opposite of my views across the table and Oostad stands in complete opposite of my views across the universe but having his views heard in public is more beneficial to me than if banned because him writing here helps my cause much more than him banned ;). Mind you I still gotte say,that, minus the differences  JJ is a tolerant person & if he wants to ban some one he should start from the one below me who is openely asking for accounts to be blocked so she can propogate freely for mullahs ::))...cheers !!!

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

Dear Mr. Javid

I am very sad with this news, if true.

Ostaad is one of the best informed and most articulate users on this site and he has made excellent contributions to the news section and to discussions all over the site.

I wish you would block some of the idiots on this site and leave the smart ones like him alone.

I respect your fairness, but I would like to request a reversal of this decision.

Bring Ostaad back, please.