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Anony.112

Jenab,

That is the gentleman's opinion. My point was to your irrelevant remarks regarding the subject matter.

I have never condoned murder of innocent women, children and civilians, but lets be realistic here, what one may call terrorist , might as well be a hero to another group.

Take Bin-Laden, Before he turned on USA, he was called MOJAHED[Freedom Fighter], by USA's own account. We know very well that CIA armed him and his group, they trained him and they let him lose on Russians. Once they finished the job, USA started calling them terrorist.

Are you getting my point sir?

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Reply to Captain Ahab

Can you read? this is what your hero said:

"Anyone discrediting Hammas, Hezbollah or Vietcong in the past, or any other organization mobilized by the people for the sake of liberation is not only trying to fool others, but they fool themselves."

Are you aware that the Viet Cong systematically executed three million people in cold blood after the US pulled out. He says any other organization mobilized by the people for the sake of the people. That essentially includes any anaarchist murder or assassin any where in the world at any time. And yes, Al Qeada is mobilized by the people for the people as is Hezbullah and Hamas. Maybe we will have someone write it in your natice tougue which is. . .?

Israel admits to LIES,,, again

//www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054009.html

[..The United Nations is claiming Israeli military
officers have admitted there was no Palestinian gunfire emanating from
inside an UNRWA school in Gaza which was shelled by an IDF tank.

Dozens of Palestinians were killed in the shelling.

In addition, UNRWA Thursday announced it will cease
activities in the Strip due to the death of an UNRWA staffer in an IDF
shelling during Thursday morning's humanitarian hiatus.

UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness told Haaretz yesterday that the army had conceded wrongdoing.

"In briefings senior [Israel Defense Forces] officers conducted for
foreign diplomats, they admitted the shelling to which IDF forces in
Jabalya were responding did not originate from the school," Gunness
said. "The IDF admitted in that briefing that the attack on the UN site
was unintentional.".......[unintentional my EYE]

He noted that all the footage released by the IDF of militants
firing from inside the school was from 2007 and not from the incident
itself.............]

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Anonymous112

wooow man, I am impressed. The way you link the events to Gaza is astonishing. 

You should have posted few pictures of Auschwitz concentration camp, and blame it on Hezbullah, Hamas, and Vietcong(now this one was hilarious).

Better yet, why don't you post pictures of Nazi concentration camp, along side Gaza and see how similar they ARE.

Sir, you are something else(and I am not thinking about kind words either).

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Nice going people

If I didn't know, I would have thought some of you guys are in first grade.

1. Keeping score(of what)?

2. Insults?

3. Belittling each other?

4. Ganging up on one another?

5. Spamming the thread with bunch of irrelevant clips and quotes?

6. Disregarding the facts?

7. Making stupid and irrelevant jokes?

What do you guys think you are saying and doing??? Is this how you have learned to engage in such a childish manor, about a subject this painful?

Where is your civility?, Where is your compassion?

Does political polarity have anything to do with subject of people getting killed, on either side? 

Does it always have to be about[YOU]? Cant we just look at the subject matter, with humanitarian eyes? Discuss it, rebut it, prove it and conclude it????

What difference does it make who killed who? what difference does it make to them and their families? whether being a Gaza 12 yr old little girl, a fully armored Israeli soldier or an Israeli civilian? War effects us all, whether being fought 5000 miles away or in the next block. Sooner or later we could be one its victims, whether we want it or not.

Do you people even care how many people have been killed, injured? uprooted from their homes? lost family members?

Is winning an argument in an utmost childish manor your only objective????? If so, I congratulate you. You are the winner of the most [COLD-HEARTED] medal, wear it proudly.

capt_ayhab [-YT]

dear zion

It's now crystall clear that our "Gods agents on earth" do agree with Hamas's goals; Destruction of Israel and establishing a brutal sharia-ruled Islamic Ummah in the region.

May we never forget what they wish for.

This is indeed a battle of good over evil.

Cameron and the "corruptors of the earth"

Our dear Cameron states here:
'Such people deserve not only insults, but alienation and despise. They deserve to stand in the shame corner as they promote falsehood and strive to corrupt humanity of its ethics and morality, its sense of fairness.'
I would say dear Cameron, that you are still not as "real and direct" as you should be in the face of such "poor excuses for humanity". Why only this?Why not give them what they really deserve? Surely you know the motto and the mode of conduct of your Islamic revolution and the heroic regime that came out of it. Corruptors of the earth, as you well know, must be put out of their misery. Must be executed, eliminated... so the earth can be cleansed of their impure blood. Like it has been done to many already by your regime in Iran. Or your "resistance"

Now, as a dirty zionist Jew, a corruptor of humanities morality and ethics, I sort of disagree with you about Hamas and the likes. Especially when it comes to them being "elected". That only proves poor judgment on the part of the palestinians in Gaza. In no ways does that change the murderous fascist and terrorist nature of such a group. After all Hitler was also elected by a vast majority of Germans and look how they had to pay for their choice. It is precisely this poor judgment that has placed innocent Palestinian children in danger, and has allowed the Hamas to treat them as nothing but expendable sacrificial meat to protect its thugs. That is where the bloody hands of criminals are to be found. There, and among their mouthpieces like you. So it is us who should be asking you:
'How can anyone be unmoved by seeing oppression? How can anyone ignore and not cry out in the face of murder? How can anyone prioritize their political agenda over genocide? And you want me to be civil to these creatures?'
You should know. YOU should know.

Dear Paymaneh

I posted my view ...You blamed me for it in this blog and I politely answered, ....at least present it as it was than changing the facts for your audience somewhere else as you are doing :

You write: "I did try to get David ET's attention to this matter, but he seems high on some kind of imaginary horse of virtue, cheered on by the "not verified."  Perhaps when he does come off that horse and reads what he has said and other registered users' reactions to it, he will see that the worst act a defender of human rights and freedom of speech in Iran can commit is to deny those same rights to other passionate and compassionate people.  Neither David ET, nor anyone else in the world are allowed to tell others what cause to feel and stand up for, for that is one ultimate violation of other people's human rights. " I did not tell "what cause to feel or stand for" or "seizeing the opportunity to act worse than the dreaded Guardian Council, vetting all who disagree with him, exiling them to a corner for they dared to speak about a non-Iranian subject passionately? Oh, and a whole army of "not verified" commentators, showing up to act as Basijis and thugs, adding fuel to the fires?  " 

Dear Paymeneh:

All I have been asking for is the same type of COLLECTIVE ATTENTION in future to the atrocities in OUR HOMELAND TOO. Is that SO BAD???!

Here is my exact quote from this blog: "I am glad you and many others are now voicing your disappointment about what is happening to Palestinians but when this is all over, please do not disappear again while others keep trying to get your attention about inhumanity in your own country"

and also don't "registered users" who have been agreeing with my points not count?!!!!! Should I name or count them for you" or do you not also see the "not verified commentators" who not cheer me and even call me names and label me?!

Or to make your point, it is ok to bend the truth, twist the facts and stats too?!!!

That's ok...back to persian expressions: "een neez bogzarad"  [This shall pass too]! 

Cameron No Problem: Laughing And Crying Are Human ;0)

No Hard Feelings.

Take Care and TOLERANCE IS THE KEY HERE !

Cheers,

D

Moderator 1234 or BIG BROTHER ?

I am sorry where did you see an Insult ?

You censor Alcohol, Sex and Joy in Life But hearing this gentleman say that HAMAS an organization Like HAMAS that promotes the Martyrdom of Little Kids by Hamas as POLITICALLY CORRECT ?

Here is the The Poor Children that HAMAS through its NIHILIST CULTURE HAS SENT TO HEAVEN ! AND I DEDICATE THIS ERIC CLAPTON SONG  TO THE PAIN OF Mr. Cameron for  his Dear Friend's pain in losing his family May they Rest in Peace !

BUT THEY DON'T DESERVE TO BE IN HEAVEN NO MORE THAN YOU SIR/MADAM ARE QUALIFIED TO BE A MODERATOR IN THIS DEBATE !

SHAME ON YOU ANONYMOUS BIG BROTHER WHOEVER YOU ARE !

Gotta hand it to you … 

Gotta hand it to you …  you made me laugh!

You are a good guy and nostalgic, I can see now where your political views are rooted in.

Just do all of us a favor and stay out of politics and stick to bringing us some laughter in these gloomy times.

And by the way, as an old polo player, I would meet you in the ring for some fencing anytime!

Sorry for being rude to you in my previous postings …  but your comments pissed me off!

User Darius Kadivar

Please stay with the subject of this post.  Please refrain from addressing other users in insulting ways.

Darius kadivar,  I am

Darius kadivar,

I am happy that you find this whole thing funny.

Your insensitivity and timing is commendable!!!  

Just be aware that while you indulge in mockery, REAL people are suffering and dying.  Children, women and men ... right now … in this very moment.  Children are crying, being scared of the noises of the bombs, women not knowing how to feed their infants, and men being afraid to no more returning to their families.

So you go ahead and post stupid old Hollywood clips, and joke yourself to a real ‘Malijak’.

No wonder you still dream of the Vali Asr’s return!

So sorry to see people like you, who in times like this when there is a real concern for other people being brutalized you enjoy yourself in funny clips.

The degree of decency you demonstrate is …. I can’t even find strong enough words to condemn.

The accountant Your Maths Are Failing you ...

As an unbiaised observer here I can only observe that David Now Leads 103 Points to 65 for Cameron. If I were Cameron ( Which I am not) I would move on the Stage 3:

by Starting Shame On You (3)

You may even be able to play with him in the SandBox:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gQmGHcFgU&feature=related

Maybe he would stand a chance. I could always give him some Swashbuckling Lesson free of Charge but I am afraid he doesn't like Bloody Shameless monarchists like me. You know the French Poodle Type ...

But given his hot temper I am afraid he won't learn how to use a Rapier instead of an Epee in such a short time. And he may Chicken out in front of so much hard work and sweat ...

My Humble Opinion,

DK

Anonymous112

Stop, Stop....you're embarassing yourself....Israel has killed 300 children and close to 900 civilians in the past two weeks, and the best that you can do is to post pictures from the 9/11 attack and a years old attack? That's the best you can come up with?!!!! Incidentally, while the attack on the Israeli family that you posted is a crime against humanity, and should be condemned just as forcefully as Israel's attack on Gaza, since then Israel has killed thousands more innocent Palertinian civilians.

What do the children of Gaza have to do with 9/11? Oops, I forgot....they're Muslims, Arabs, olive skinned...from that area...you know...Iraqistan!!! Give us a f***ing break....picutres of 9/11!!!! It didn't even work for Republicans in the past elections...so be a bit more creative next time....

And, by the way, sorry to bother you with the "grotesque" photos of a father carrying the charred body of his daughter to bury while he's looking at her and weeping....didn't meant to disturb you...but it's good for the world to see what is happening in Gaza...are you a parent by the way? If so, have you ever felt love for your child? if yes, then put yourself in that father's place and then come back and complain about this "grotesque" picture. BTW, I did not see anything "grotesque" in that, or any other picture in that gallery....I saw beautiful children who were their parents' hopes and dreams, who had grown up in an open air prsion called Gaza, and who ultimately became victims of an insane war machine that now wants to turn them into meaningless "collateral damage" and wants to blame them and their parents for the cruel fate that it has bestowed upon them....but against the massive amount of money that is spent on wiping them and their memories off of this earth, we, the world, will remember them....and that is how they will live on...in the memory of every decent man and woman on this planet...

Darius Kadivar lets see....

If we are counting comments, we should add all of them up and give the credit to Cameron whose sensitive and interesting posts in the past have brought him enough respect for people to take notice. David ET is always around, writing b.s. which no one finds serious enough to leave a comment on.
A blog with this many comments is only at the expense of his cheap shots on a respectable and decent man.
Sorry boys, time to go back to the sandbox and play. Maybe you can build your ideal Iran and Iranians there?

Anonymous112 … LMAO!!!

 Quoting Israeli news agency and FBI??? 

Are you for real?

Ha ha …  go and play in your own league!!!

Is this exciting for you Cameron

Do you find this story exciting Cameron?:

//www.israelnewsagency.com/israelpalestineter...

How about this? You can find the photos of your heros at the bottom of the page.:

//www.fbi.gov/page2/feb08/tradebom_022608.htm...

Here ya go, woody city.

//news.webshots.com/photo/1021347080027398055...

You might as well go all the way. You love Hezbullah, Hamas, Viet Cong no doubt you love Al Qaeda. Was Jack the Ripper also your hero or do you go in more for the OJ Simpson type? Hey maybe Son of Sam would do it for you. :)

Thanks David ET for flushing this guy out.

To Cameron and All

This statement by Cameron explains it all. Fully exposed:

"Anyone discrediting Hammas, Hezbollah or Vietcong in the past, or any other organization mobilized by the people for the sake of liberation is not only trying to fool others, but they fool themselves."

To you whom write under

To you whom write under anonymous sig in names.

First of all when it comes to the gravity of the matter, I need to be direct.  Many people in the past and present have ducked responsibility for their contribution to crimes committed, by disguising themselves as civil.  This is no more than manipulation.

The time has come to reveal the true nature of such poor excuses as human beings.

If that is going to be on the expense of myself or anyone else by revealing their identity, so be it.

David ET, from outer space and ZION from the lala land are voices of fascism placed on the scale of oppression to various degrees.

So let us get real and direct once for all.  I do that.  I am real.  A real name. a real person and real ideas. 

Call me rude, call me uncivil ... I don’t care.  I speak up and try to my best ability to expose these liars.

Some reality check.

Israel is no nation.  As the matter of fact, the Zionist regime has difficulties to retain its population, not to mention attracting new immigrants.  The notion of Israel is based on an extreme religious and racist notion, namely that Jews are the chosen people and that GOD has promised them that land.  Let alone that the last time there was any organized Jewish settlement in that land was about 2000 years ago.

Israel is no country but an artificial state, which if not supported and sustained by primarily US, would not stand a chance.  It has existed so far for two main reasons: unconditional support by the US (began with a fear of the Soviet’s domination in the region after the WWII) and the Arabs’ inability to unite (just as when Palestine was occupied by the crusaders).

Anyone discrediting Hammas, Hezbollah or Vietcong in the past, or any other organization mobilized by the people for the sake of liberation is not only trying to fool others, but they fool themselves.

Such people deserve not only insults, but alienation and despise.  They deserve to stand in the shame corner as they promote falsehood and strive to corrupt humanity of its ethics and morality, its sense of fairness.

So forgive me if I do not deliver lip service and for once match their manipulative nonsense disguised in silence or politically correct ways of expression, as to present themselves noble, or fine ways of articulating their insanity, with brutal and direct contempt, despise and head on opposing them

If you are so shallow that you take offence of such expression and lose the sight of the meaning, well …  I am sorry for you, as you do nothing more but unwillingly (or perhaps even willingly) credit such creatures of bogus  champions of human rights.

How can anyone be unmoved by seeing oppression?  How can anyone ignore and not cry out in the face of murder?  How can anyone prioritize their political agenda over genocide?   And you want me to be civil to these creatures?

Non merci!

I rather speak up and be crude, and rude and insulting and try my best to put them on the shame corner!

You may not have, but I have been there and seen and touched and cried with such victims alike that you only HEAR about in Gaza.

I have seen and held the hands of the victims, felt their despair and seen their maimed children and broken men and tarnished women.  I have walked and stayed in streets still smelling blood.  And those experiences woke me up.    Me, personally have lost much more than many of you can claim by a regime change in Iran.   But what I have seen so far in different corners of the world has made me to no longer live in the past, wining about what was and how well we lived and what would have been if and if and if.

You think IRI is bad?  Well… wait till you see some psycho-kid redneck from Utah rape your sister in Iran when they in the name of liberating Iranians invade our country.  Wait till the very actions of the regime you indirectly support nuke a couple of cities and your grandkids are born with three heads.

And so, enough is enough with all this pussyfooting and beating around the bush.

Get real and expose destructive voices …  voices that are blunt and shameless such as ZION here and voices that are manipulative such as David ET.

WOW, Censureship in it's best form!

For 10 minutes ago i sent a text as a resume of ongoing discussions here, it appeared on the site, and disappeared for 8 minutes ago!

BRAVOOO!

David Scores 96 Vs Cameron 65

Well Gentleman I see that the situation has evolved in favor of David's Blog at this point of the debate.

Would you two care for another Turn just to give Cameron a second Chance ? The Winner can call it Shame on You (3)

The Winner also Wins the Hand of Fair Lady Irandokht or Fair Lady MARGE ! Depending on their Availability ...

David Just remember that the The Pellet With The Poison is in the Chalice that is True, Er ... I mean the Pellet in the Chalice is in the Pallet that is Brew ,,, Er ...

Oh Well just figure it out you two ...

DK Aka the Court Jester

Bravo David ET

Damet garm. you said it best.

To Anonymous 111, Indeed for all those who support genocide

It is important to remember that there are two sides to every story. Posting grotesque photos of the dead is on par with anti-abortionists who post photos of aborted fetuses. The dead are dead regardless of the state of their bodies. But since you want to address genocide here is a case to consider:

//www.israelnewsagency.com/israelpalestineter...

By the way, I oppose the military assault by Israel but I also recognize that Israelis have the right to live in peace as well regardless of the history of the region. Could you imagine how much of an impact Palestine would have if instead of engaging in civilian attacks they were to denounce violence and plead there case to the international community. The real problem is that Palestine has not had a competent leader at any time in this century. They have all been hate mongers. Remember, the world did not truly listen to South Africa until Nelson Mandela denounced attacks on civilian. Then the world started to listen. That is how it will be in Palestine.

As the old saying has it if

As the old saying has it if the Israelis weapons were taken away there would be no Israel (and a genocide), but if the Palestinians weapons were taken away there would be peace.

...There is occupation and there is occupation. Do you think occupied France or Holland in WW2 would have been able to elect a government dedicated to the destruction of the Third Reich? Do you think occupied Germany after WW2 would have been able to fire missiles at France?
people have to understand that the Hamas agenda was never about having their own land, it’s about having ALL of Israel, and for the killing of ALL Jews, not just in Israel, but globally.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Mr. Cameron, some clarification please

What do you exactly mean by Hamas having a "military and responded to the Israelis oppression by firing rockets, and use any weapons they had at hand....including suicide bombers"?

1) Is shooting rockets that have no military value into civilian areas a proper response to "oppression"? 

2) Are suicide bombings which target only  civilians and only result in civilian death a legitimate form of "military response" to "oppression"?

3) You mentioned Kamikazees. Did Kamikazes target civilians or military targets?

With all due respect, it seems that you are "lost" in your values. These are precisely the values that result in what is happening in Gaza. When you defend these actions by Hamas, you are actually doing the arguing for the Israelis as to why they need to treat Hamas the way it is being treated now.  

Its this militancy (your views) that creates wars and makes conflict resolution impossible. 

well, whatever credibility you had Cameron

just went down the crapper. who the hell are you to say who should be insulted or told to get lost?

your avoiding isn't going to make it go away. not acknowledging that hamas is a terrorist group????? just because they were elected?????

i wish everyone who agrees with that comment would step forward and tell me what they said about george bush. HE was elected was he not?

Cameron, you're highly

Cameron, you're highly uninformed, or willingly ignorant. If you agree with Hamas's charter, then of course, you would not see them as a terrorist organization.

Hama's ultimate goal is the destruction of state of Israel. Do you agree with their goals?

Here is Hamas Charter:

Hamas' charter calls for the recapturing of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now named Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip.[5] Hamas describes its conflict with Israel as political and not religious[6] or antisemitic.[7]

Hamas, unlike the Fatah, refused to accept Israel's existence. Its charter calls for an end to Israel, though during the 2006 election campaign, Hamas did not mention its call for the destruction of Israel in its electoral manifesto.[37] On 25 January 2006, after winning the Palestinian elections, Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar gave an interview to Al-Manar TV denouncing foreign demands that Hamas recognize Israel's right to exist.[55] After the establishment of Hamas government, Dr Al-Zahar stated his "dreams of hanging a huge map of the world on the wall at my Gaza home which does not show Israel on it...I hope that our dream to have our independent state on all historic Palestine (including Israel). This dream will become real one day. I'm certain of this because there is no place for the state of Israel on this land". He also "didn't rule out the possibility of having Jews, Muslims and Christians living under the sovereignty of an Islamic state, adding that the Palestinians never hated the Jews and that only the Israeli occupation was their enemy".
Hamas's charter calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic Republic in their historic homeland of Palestine, in place of Israel.[58] Hamas sees this view as an Islamic religious duty and prophesy that comes directly from Hadith.[59] In 1999, late Hamas co-founder Sheikh Ahmed Yassin mentioned the year 2027 as the possible date for the "disappearance" of Israel.[60] The group has not issued a clear statement about how it would deal with the current population of Israel, should it succeed in overthrowing Israeli and secular Palestinian government. Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, one of its co-founders, stated that the movement's goal is "to remove Israel from the map".[61]

For All Those Who Support Genocide...

These photos of Gaza's children are for you. Perhaps this will shame you into stopping your nonsense:

//www.alalam.ir/site/manual%20gallery/current...

To Cameron

I think David's objection to your blog was that you began with the premise that anyone who has a viewpoint different from you should somehow be ashamed because they are immoral and only those who agree with are righteous. I thought it rather disingenous that you toss in the story of your friends family as an added exclamation. None the less, While I didn't necessarily appreciate your style of asserting your self-righteousness, I did not consider it sufficiently egregious to address. Since then however, you have then resorted to name calling, accusing people of distorting the truth because they disagree with you etc. At first I thought ET was being a little harsh but now that you have fully exposed yourself, I have to say our extraterrestrial friend was right on. What respect I might have had at the first reading of your blog has long since diminished into oblivion as should you until you can learn to conduct yourself with civility and respect for those who disagree with you. :)