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One important common thing!

Reza and Maryam have something in common and that is that both have Qajar blood meaniang vatanforosh, Khaean.

HaHa aka : Sali

You made me laugh thanks.

When did I even remotely claim or even think that the movement in Iran started with me sitting here thousands of miles away from Iran. I leave such "dillusions" to those who are indeed the subject of this blog! . Sometimes things people say here are just most amazing :-))

But wait this is too much fun. I hereby claim the Iranians' and in fact human beings' first call to democracy started with me : David ET right here on Iranian.com .

.. and now you can even quote me on that ....ROFLMAO

NEWBIE TO DEMOCRACY

Dear David,

It is quite evident by what you are writing that you are a newbie to democracy. This movement never started with you, nor will it end with you,for you to think so is extremely ignorant and arrogant.
This is a struggle that has been going on in Iran for over 100yrs.

so funny!

annonymous500. Because yes, ahab DOES feel like he can tell anyone to shut up when he wants and when someone tells him to shut up, he likes to threaten them LOL. he likes to call people stupid and get ugly but you are NOT allowed to do to him LOL. Now watch him get mad again LOL.

Elaborate...

"Do you get the jest of my objection to those tow characters? or shall I elaborate?"

No Capt-ayhab, I don't get it. Can you elaborate.

a request from Iran via twitter

tweet #1

یکی از مبارزان داخل ایران: سلطنت طلبان گرامی !! با ایرانیان داخل همراه شوید و مشکلاتمان رو دو چندان نکنید. حمل این پرچم فقط باعث میشه که

tweet #2

حمل این پرچم فقط باعث میشه که سرکوبگران رژیم بهانه کافی برای متصل کردن ایرانیان داخل به براندازان خارج رو پیدا کنند و هر روز سخت تر از پیش

tweet #3

کتک بخوریم و کشته بدیم. چماق چماق است حتی اگر سرش پرچم شیر و خورشید باشد

IRANdokht

PS: please refrain from shooting the messenger 

Anonymous500

Chill out dude/dudet and don't have a cow.

Obviously you are having hard time understanding that when these tow miserable characters[Reza and Maryam] open up their ignorant mouths, it is not because of love of people who are dying in the streets but it is to grab a photo-op for their own failed agenda, AT THE EXPENSE of those brave people who are being killed and beaten.

Dude/dudet, when an ordinary person like myself, who has no claim of any form of leadership renders his opinion, it is in context of an ordinary citizen. I make no claim to any throne nor I claim to have 1000's of alleged armed and trained supporters  here and there. Unless you have such a claim, which is a different story altogether !

These two character had nothing to do with the movement in Iran, as a matter of fact they were against participating in election. But all of a sudden when things started happening they both in one form or another have gone green. One is posing in front of [heroine] and USING her death, and the other one cries like a little boy in front of so many viewers. 

Give a freaking break man. They are just couple of miserable opportunist, who have no role in the future of Iran.
Do you  get the jest of my objection to those tow characters? or shall I elaborate?

-YT 

How Does it Feel?

Capt-ayhab writes, "P/S allow me to chastise myself, The reason I keep saying Reza juni and Maryam Juni need to shut up is because they, by ridding on back of this movement are undermining people on the street of Iran."

Who the Hell are you to tell the rest of opponetnts of the regime to shut-up? Is it fair if someone came on this BB and said hey you, capt-ayhab, you should shut up because of xyz?

How in the Hell, you are allowed to give your dime a dozen idiotic opinions from A to Z on this BB, but others should shut up because of what you think is good for people in Iran?

In short, why you don't shut the hell up? Feels good?

..............

O.K PEOPES ARE GETTING SHOT AT IN IRAN AND THEIR ASSES BEING HAULL AT EVIN WHILE SOME SITTING IN FRONT OF THEIR MONITORS HERE IN THE WEST MUNCHING AT COLD PIZZA AND HINEKENS TALKING NOT CONSTRUCTIVE ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN REALLY OFERR ,THATS PATHATIC !!....

Rashidian,

Thank You. You say:

Those followers of NIAC / CASMII on this site who answered Khamenei’s appeal (Labeik) doing campaigns for diverse candidates of the IRI must first apologies for their campaign before crying wolf!

If I have to apologize I will do so along with the 85% of Iranians who voted in the elections.

But I wanted to thank you for the honor of putting me, David and Irandokht in the firm presence of the overwhelmingly majority of Iranian people, while putting yourself, Rajavi and RP outside it.

Your reminded me of one more thing they have in common, and with you: they both think they know better than the Iranian people themselves. But even after repeated failures, they never get the hint.

IRANdokht

I sure hope you keep maintaining this attitude

You know what I always say about all of us and all of them!:

Time will tell :-)

Great Summary Q, couldn't have said it better

"But the two groups are the most emblomatic and at the same time expose the deep dillusions of the Iranian diaspora."

Simple and Elegant

David, beautifully put.

To these two clowns, we can probably add another dozen or so "leaders" who are desperately avoiding the reality that they have not had one millionth as much appeal as IRI's own Mir Hossein Mousavi even after 30 years of foreign funded propaganda campaign. But the two groups are the most emblomatic and at the same time expose the deep dillusions of the Iranian diaspora.

Well done.

speaking of emotional outbursts

Allow me to repeat myself here:

at this time the emotions run high and people are trying to deal with a lot. Although I know that you and I have not seen eye to eye on many issues, I think you have the best of Iran in mind and you're just being overly emotional.

I will try not to take these attacks personally.

IRANdokht

Kourosh Khan

Enna daran harfeshoono mizanan , ma ham darim javabeshono midim

takleefe maa bayad baa tarze fekr maloom bashe vagarneh amame bere taaj biyad , taaj bere daas o chakosh biyad farghi behale mellat nemikone

maa bayad dorooee va doroogh va enhesargari ro mokhlef bashim. akhare khat ahmad, reza va maryam yek no tarze fekr darand vali baa lebashaye mokhtalef

dafeh ghablam goftan bezarin hesabemoono baa shah tamoom konim bad be in fekra baashim....pahlavi bood o raft hichi behtar nashod bad taram shod

Irandokht! Here are your weaknesses!

- Self righteousness and short term or emotional thinking but at times you recognize your error in judgement and even mention it but you don't learn from it the next time and the cycle continues

- Due to lack of depth or excessive emotionalism in some of your positions you often are found being used by those with agendas, the extremists or supporters of IR, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. The documented facts of the past, right here have proven that this is no longer merely an opinion and the question  for you to think about is why you often are found on the camp of extremists and attacking those whom you claim have good interest of Iran and others in mind

- Under the flag of tolerance you often defend those who defend intolerance and end up justifying or apologizing for them , instead of letting them speak for themselves and they love you and they wisely try to empower you for that (Hendooneh zireh baghalet bezarand) but this often is a joint dance because you in return you use them to settle your personal scores with others

- You often mix your personal issues with people with the subject matters of blogs .

- You underestimate readers long term memory of inconsistencies!

 Those who are honest and tell it as it is are more valauble than those who try to play us by siding with us

Guess what?

Guess what? I found another 2 Riali to spend ;-)

One thing I am not getting, with all due respect to everyone, you people in one breath talk about freedom of speech, freedom of expression and inclusiveness of your democracies, YET in next breath you contradict yourselves by trying to silence the ones who are opposed to you.

Does anyone find this hypocrisy rather ugly?

Dudes, PRACTICE what you PREACH.

-YT 

P/S allow me to chastise myself, The reason I keep saying Reza juni and Maryam Juni need to shut up is because they, by ridding on back of this movement are undermining people on the street of Iran.

Dear Jahanshah

Not only that I do not regret campainging to vote and later for the green movements and Mousavi but knowing what I know now, I would have done it even stronger.

I have no regrets and my words still stands from April 2009 when I wrote: GET OUT AND VOTE THIS TIME //iranian.com/main/2009/apr/get-out-and-vote-time.:

The article follows and the comment in BOLD CAP ITALIC are today:

It is easy to sit outside and tell those who have to live every day under the current oppressive regime of Iran not to vote. But the undeniable fact is that the Islamic Republic is in power and everything possible must be done to reduce the power of its extremists.

IN FACT THOSE WHO SAT AND DID NOT VOTE WERE PROVEN WRONG AND YES IR MAY HAVE TIGHTEND ITS REPRESSIVE POWER BUT THE GINNIE IS OUT OF BOTTLE AND POWER OF BOTH KHAMENEI AND AHMADINEHAD ARE MUCH LESS  TODAT DUE TO PEOPLE'S PARTICIPATION

If voting for someone more moderate can help achieve and open the smallest channels to breath even a little more and to help somewhat soften the policies of the government in the international arena, ... that option should be examined. The experiences of the past 30 years have clearly proven that not voting has played directly in to the hands of the least tolerant elements within the regime.

SO MUCH WAS EXPRESSED IN ALL SHAPES AND FORMS THAT BEFORE WAS NOT EVEN P0SSIBLE 

This time around if the other choices are even slightly better than now, we should vote.

After 30 years in power, not voting no longer questions the legitimacy of the Islamic Republic as it has not in the past, but voting for the most moderate elements, in masses sends a strong message to those within and outside Iran that Iranians do NOT approve of extremism and if they are given even a small room to express their true wish, they will.

PEOPLE ENDED UP EXPRESSING THEIR VIEW OF THE REGIME IN MASSES

The talking-heads of Persian Satellite TV's sitting in the comfort of their San Fernando Valley USA garage like studios with a green background, should start minding their own business of selling concerts in Dubai and around the world and let Iranians in Iran do what is best for them.

THEY ALONG WITH REZA'S AND MARYAM'S WERE PROVEN WRONG BUT OFF COURSE NOW OPPORTUNISTICALLY ARE TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR A MASS MOVEMENT THAT WAS CREATED AS A RESULT OF BY THOSE WHOM THEY TOLD NOT TO VOTE AND CALLED COMPRISED

This time we must do the opposite and vote for the most moderate and vote in masses , then even Khamenei can not deny the will of the people in what they really want. People must exercise their power and SEE for themselves that they can make differences as small as they might be, because only then they will believe in themselves and the power of the people again. We should break this cycle of indifference and extremism that has been promoted by ALL sides from the Islamic Republic of Ghom to the Reza Pahlavi of Washington to the cult of Rajavi and the left in Europe.

PEOPLE VOTED FOR MOST MODERATE OF THE 4 (MOUSAVI) AND VOTED IN MASSES AND PEOPLE AGAIN RECOGNIZED THE POWER ON UNITY IN ACTION INSTEAD OF TALK.

And after winning, we should not expect miracles but to stay active and hold the winning candidate fully responsible to his promises. The picture of Iranian students questioning Ahmadinejad in Amirkabir universities spoke a thousand words. If people stay involved and concerned about their destiny using any and all channels available to them, they will re-organize, regain power and eventually make a major difference. Sitting at home does nothing as it has not in the past.

PEOPLE WON ARE NOW INVOLVED AND MORE ORGANIZED THAN BEFORE AS OPPOSED TO IF THEY WOULD HAVE STAYED HOME AGAIN

Having control of the ballot boxes the extremists may even change the results but that will not be without public outrage and consequences if millions vote. Either way tactically the people will come out as winners.

AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE REGIME DID, YET IRANIAN PEOPLE ARE THE TRUE WINNERS  

Let people exercise their power and use Islamic Republic's own ballot boxes to show that they are fed up with extremism and yes it will still be Islamic Republic under its supreme leader but the message will be loud and clear: NO MORE EXTREMISM!

PEOPLE USED IR'S OWN BALLOT BOXES AND SHOWED HOW THEY ARE AGAINST THE REGIME AND EXTREMISM

Iranians once again must believe in themselves and the power of THE PEOPLE and this can be a start. Get out and vote for the most moderate and get the word out.

IRANIANS ONCE AGAIN ARE BELIEVING IN THEMSELVES AND THIS IS A NEW START 

JR you're too funny

You see a "lachak" in my avatar?

:o) 

I may respond to your nasty words later once I stop laughing.

IRANdokht

Re-comment

Irandokht:

 Unfortunately my first comment was deleted; I did not say anything which could please your likes. You, as a full-activist of NIAC on this site, chose a female avatar (two eyes out of Islamic Lachak) to support a misogynistic regime in Iran. You abuse an ancient Persian name to  patch Islamo-Arab culture of Mullahs up to Iran, You misuse a patriotic language in an attempt to prolong the survival of this non-Iranian regime which occupies our country. What is the agreement you have with me? I do not know your real name, sex, main goals, but I know that you do your apologetic full-job in a provocative way on this site. This cannot deserve an agreement between us. Of course you can reemerge with another name and avatar to defend your country, and then we may find a basic agreement to talk about other matters.

Here again a partial reconstruction of self-censured version of my last comment: hopefully it remains on the site!:

-- “It is true that the MKO, Monarchy have no lucky future in Iran, but let’s not forget that Reza Pahlavi and Maryam Rajavi at least denounced and opposed this 2009 show election, which now turns to be an irreversible thorn in the eyes of voting campaigners. Reza Pahlavi and Maryam Rajavi, at least in this case, were opposition supporters. Those followers of NIAC / CASMII on this site who answered Khamenei’s appeal (Labeik) doing campaigns for diverse candidates of the IRI must first apologies for their campaign before crying wolf!

David:

Regarding your ,awakening, post-election posts, it seems you regret your election campaign for Mousavi --which explains your campaign was a mistake and now embodies as a compensation mechanism in your posts targeting the whole IRI. A, human, mistake can always be mended. I appreciated your draft for a free and secular constitution in Iran. It wa sa great job which would place you quite in the opposition.

Personal Vendetta?

D ET says: 

" As for the one who change with the wind , from siding with Jaleo one minute to blogging about 4 more years and then bragging about attending LA demos to counting scores between Rajavi and Pahlavi and few hours later agreeing against it , the same one who find likes of paid agent of Islamists and IR (George Galloway) "intelligent" and "voice of reason"..."

1- siding with Jaleho

From the beginning I have always said that my vote in this election was going to be the opposite of Jaleh, we both agree that we disagree on many issues, but we do not disrespect each other. You see it as siding, good for you!

2- Blogging about 4 more years:

As I said in the blog that I wrote on saturday morning before any violence had erupted on the streets, even with an AN win, the country has experienced a huge change of political atmosphere and there is no going back. A lot of people have agreed with me that the genie is out of the bottle, but then again they read what I wrote, some didn't. Good for them!

3- LA demonstrations:

A few of the readers of Irandotcom had asked in different comments to be informed of the LA scheduled rallies. I blogged about it when I found out and yes I have gone to many of the demonstrations on the side where the green voters and the students gather. Did I brag about it? I feel proud of the LA demonstrators and I am definitely for showing support.  

4-  counting scores between Rajavi and Pahlavi and few hours later agreeing against it:

Apparently you're not reading the comments before drawing conclusions and pointing accusatory finger (again). Either that or sarcasm goes a little over your head (FYI I was agreeing with a nasty comment JR wrote about me, wasn't that a hint?). 

5- Galloway:

George Galloway is the voice of Palestanians when the rest of the world supports the criminal Israel. As for him taking side with AN, he's just looking after Palestinians and his own interests. I do not agree with him about Iran election results, because if it comes time to choose between Iranians interest or Palestinians, as much as I would like to just be impartial and for "human rights" I take Iranians side  every time.

I know how much you'd like to label me as "hezb-e baad", and I am sorry that I have hurt your feelings when criticizing your big ego and your constant obsessive "geer dadan" in the past.

My responding to your post here was not a personal gesture, I thought it was time for such blog and unfortunately you were the one who blogged it. 

Now take a deep breath and calm down.

Speaking of personal vendetta! at this time the emotions run high and people are trying to deal with a lot. Although I know that you and I have not seen eye to eye on many issues, I think you have the best of Iran in mind and you're just being overly emotional. I will try not to take these attacks personally.

IRANdokht

Kourosh Aryamanesh

قربون آدم چیز فهم!٬

ET

Great, so what is it that you're doing differently from Kayhan?
More, when you talk about "opportunism", do you mean you thought now everything would be made easy for them to go back to Iran and take power?
Seriously, I don't get you there.

ای بابا

ما منظورمون اين نبود که پرخاشی به کسی بکنيم.

 اول اجازه بدين مردم تکليفشونو با اين آخوندا يکسره بکنن بعدأ راجع به اين به اصطلاح اپوزيسيون خارج نشين تصميم خواهند گرفت. اصلأ از کجا معلوم که اينها جزو برنامۀ آيندۀ ايران باشن. تازه چه اشکالی داره حرفشونو بزنن. مگه تو خارج مردم تو اين پارکهای آزاد نميرن ؟ کلی داد و هوار ميکشن و فحش به اين و اون ميدن و آخرشم ميرن خونه. حالا اين خانم رجوی يا آقای پهلوی اگه موقعيت طلبن و همش چپ و راست اعلاميه ميدن تأثير عمده ای در تصميم مردم نخواهند داشت.

در ضمن، دولت ولايت وقيح اونقدر وقيحه که چه اينا حرف بزنن يا نه کار خودشو ميکنه مگه نديدين اون پفيوز حزب اللهی ادعا کرد که گلوله کار سیا و عوامل خارجی بوده.  همچين صحبت ميکنين که انگار ضمينه برای ورود اين افراد حاضره و مردم دو دستی همه چيزو به اينها تقديم ميکنن

Author has more in common with MR (and IRI) than he thinks...

MR has very little in common with RP, most importantly; MR has so much blood on her hands but RP has not harmed a fly.

However, the author has far more in common with MR than he thinks:

Both assume that they speak for 70 million iranians.

Both apparently have not visited iran for a long time to know how a large number of people long of late shah's period and curse RP for not being effective rather than for being vocal.

Both assume that they understand what a democratic system is:
- (1) both ignore the inclusiveness of a democratic system,
- (2) both ignore equal rights for minorities, including political minorities, in a democratic system,
- (3) both ignore that a democratic system is based on rule of law as applied to individuals rather then one can have less rights because he is the son of someone that I did not like; the law that one is assumed innocent until proven guilty.

Both assume that there is a massive shortage of leaders amonsgt us such that a one hour talk by RP takes the space of another of many nationalist rulers; they do nothing for 30 years, but as soon as sneone opens his mouth to maybe act like a leader, they rush to condemn him and declare him guilty without proposing a workable alternative.

Both do not know that RP (incidentally, as well as RP's father) has far far far righteous and cleaner past than Mousavi whom so many try to seat him as president (hint: mass murders of IRI when Mousavi was PM).

Both have huge egos and assume that only they have all the answers.

Both cannot tolerate peaceful voices of opposition.

Both hate Pahlavis more than they love iran or iranians or democracy... and we know where that blanket hatred brought us... today!

Parham

In reponse to the blog you first wrote:

 "One thing I noticed during the crisis of the past few weeks is the total disregard of those claiming to be so patriotic and wanting a so-called "democratic" solution for that fact! For them, it's just them and the rest of the Iranians who don't think like them are "pashm". Sorry for the bluntness. "ma hanooz andar khame yek koocheyim" as it seems again and again..."

 As for me if you see the proporation of my material or actions re: IR versus Rajavi or Pahlavi then you see where large majority of my priorities are and have been but like I said I also do not believe in waking up "the day after" without enough understanding of who is who and what they are standing for or what they did at critical times .

As for unity like I have said before, the ones who have chosen not to unite are those who have had claims to permanancy or those who chose to unite with enemies such as Saddam and not those who promote democracy and partcipation. The problem has been those who promote permanent superiority of their family or undemocratic cults and not the other way around. 

The recent actions of the two camps did require addressing their opportunism of the unfortunate situation in Iran in the hope that it would make their supporters think rwice about the consequences of the self-serving actions of their leaders at such historical juncture.

IR's mouthpieces such as Kayhan newspaper these days are putting down the movement in Iran by relating it to US, UK, Reza Phalavi and MKO  

It is the negative consequences of the actions of their leaders that speak volumes about them as opposed to their claims and statements.

ET

Seems you have some sort of personal vendetta here!

What I think is clear: I don't think the MKO is democratic in any way, as it's actually a military organization more than anything, nor does it represent democratic ideals despite its claims. I'm neither sure whether Reza Pahlavi truly believes in his own democratic rap (he still has to prove that as far as I'm concerned), but in any case, these guys are not in power, and they have the right to say what they want, and they will, whether you like it or not! If they had any power, things would be different, as they wouldn't have the right to call to arms, or the monopolization of power (in a democratic structure, of course), etc...

Now the ones in power are the ones who are oppressing people day after day and these days even more than before after the current crisis. They won't settle down to anything and are viciously killing and torturing our compatriots. Yet it seems a lot of people outside the country are adopting THEIR line of defense/offense for one reason or another. You seem to be one after this blog. I find that HIGHLY strange. Why would you say that is?

Is that enough tolerance for you? Note: As an Iranian, I shouldn't even HAVE ANY tolerance for a bunch that pillage my country day-in, day-out, OR their supporters -- and that, for thirty-something years. I hope you understand that.

Riding the Wave

I agree with the sentiment that MKO and Mr. Pahlavi are trying to ride on the wave of this movement.
I would like to ask them , how many people do they think they are going to get out into the streets of Tehran if Rajavi and co or Pahlavi and co called a demonstration?
And please do not give me this recent excuse of " we do not want to label this movement anything , so as not to give IRI excuse for more violence and repression ".
You do not want to give it a label , because you know our hamvatans inside Iran will NOT let any of these labels stick to their movement.

Personal vandettas in name of democracy AGAIN

my 2 Riali

At this juncture, what Maryam and Reza are trying to do has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

Both these characters, along with their supporters are basically trying to catch some fish from muddy waters[az abe gel alood mahi begiram]

One cries while on the podium , by wiping only one eye, and the other one takes few pictures in some sort of memorial service for NEDA. One carries[allegedly] a pocket photo of NEDA in his breast pocket, the other makes a bigger than life size photo to take pictures in front of.

Someone asked where is Agha Masoud Rajavi? This maneuver of having Maryam Rajavi on forefronts is the most amateurish and childish show yet, to have a WOMAN in charge of MKO, due to the huge role REAL IRANIAN WOMEN played in recent uprising in Iran.

As said earlier, I have no problem with freedom of speech and the fact that in a democratic society every faction can have their say, HOWEVER, these speeches and media grabbing opportunists are only hurting the people on the streets, by giving IR excuses for propaganda for trying to show that this uprising is orchestrated by foreign hands.

My last 2 Riali for these two characters[Reza jun and Maryam Jun], for now PLEASE shut up, you are doing more harm than good for the people on the streets.

-YT