Vaginal delivery is unnecessary

Holier Than Thou

Your sentence was a bit off in your bid to find an ob/gyn who would perform an elective C-Section so excuse us for not understanding what you were trying to say. You came across as Holier than Thou and heaven help any of us who had the audacity to disagree with you. You expressed your opinion, loud and clear. So did we.

Excuse WHO?

Tonya, you have been nothing less than absolutely polite. I certainly don't have an issue with being called "Dude".

DoctorMaman, unless I have missed something entirely, I don't see where anyone has been vulgar with you. I can safely say that I have not been anything of the sort. Of course, I disagree very strongly with your point of view on this matter. If anything, I was jumped on by women who feel that men shouldn't be making any comments on women's health matters. But, it's OK. We can disagree and life still goes on.

Cheers.

Excuse me????

I havent got the vaguest idea where you're coming from.  I wasn't speaking to you when I addressed Kavesh as "Dude".  And if he has a problem with it, I'm sure he can speak for himself.  It isn't a rude or vulgar term...so chill out.  I made NO reference to your profession.  You are confusing me with the several other people commenting on the veracity of your article.   You need to spend a little more time reading whatever else was written before you attack ME.  I asked ONE question... which you elected to ignore until you worked yourself into a tizzy.  And I beg to differ with regard to "experience".  I believe it is at the very heart of the matter.  I made absolutely NO rude or vulgar comments.  I am simply amazed at your attitude!  And for your information... I DID have a C-section and can assure you with ABSOLUTE conviction, proof, facts, and experience... it is not... and never will be a preferable election of birth.  You may certainly express your opinion... on any subject and at any time. But you might be a little more prepared to deal with the truth as known by those who have experienced the situations you describe.  I bid you goodnight.

Tonya And shame on you for

Tonya

And shame on you for trying to label an attitude or try to associate it with a particular gender DUDE.

I don't understand this attitude that many responders have on this site. It's like "dava darin ba adam"???

A person writes a piece and states an opinion. I was nothing but respectful in all of my responses despite the vulgar language used by some and the negative attitude displayed by others.

What is so difficult about reading something, and responding politely? What is gained by using words such as moron, lazy, stupid, ignorant, shut yourself up, asshole and other completely useless words that you people threw my way?

What is gained by questioning a person's gender, profession or birthing experience in a rude and belitteling manner?

It's one thing to say "BTW, how did you deliver, could you share with us issues you experienced" or " what line of work are you in? do you work with insurance companies", but it's another thing to be rude with the apparent goal of wanting to prove me wrong and yourself right. You sure have the right to disagree and it would be such an addition to this exchange of information if you stated your opinions. But you definately add nothing by being mean, rude and inconsiderate.

Hi Tonya, I responsded by

Hi Tonya,

I responsded by saying: "I was unable to a doctor in my area who performed elective c sections"

I thought this was clear in saying that no i didn't have a c section. Which puts me in a much better place to judge the need, effectiveness, necessity etc of a vag delivery.

Again, I believe my blog coupled with my comments state clearly all the reasons behind my opinion. I didn't need to insult anyone (I do not work for an insurance company and even if I did, it is irrelevant, and I am not a moron). I didn't belittele anyone's experience either (my experience of c section or not is irrelevant. As an educated adult, I have done LOTS of research into this and have formed an opinion while taking all the pros and cons into consideration.).

Whatever, FYI, the epidural administered for vag del isn't exactly the same as for c section. Get your facts straight. How widely available AND WIDELY USED are epidurals in vag deliveries in Iran? No answers? My research shows that in Iran, many families fear the use of epidural and it's side effects (namely paralysis). So they prefer not to get one for vag deliveries. This puts the woman under intense pressure and pain. A c section is a much more pain less option (Tonya how did YOU deliver??? question is irrelevant but can go both ways). So one of the reasons c sections are popular in SOME parts of Iran, is woman's fear of childbirth pain. But please, go ahead and answer the question: How widely available and used are epidurals in Iran?

Kaveh

Dude... I wasn't about to leave you hanging in the breeze.  You're likely to be hunted down throughout iranian.com and vilified for the rest of time.  Been there.... done that.  You know what... I'm not sure Doctor IS a woman.  The article sounds far more like a man's attitude than a woman's...LOL.

To Tonya

Thanks for the support!

Kaveh, aka The Grief Magnet

to Whatever

Yeah... I noticed that myself.  And this is one time I'd really really REALLY love to get an answer.  And Kaveh... you went out on a limb as a man making those comments and invited ALL sorts of grief down on your head!  But if a woman is going to be perfectly honest and get off her high horse... there ain't a one who could call you wrong!  We probably just don't like hearing it from a man...lol.

Question

And actually, you're the one who never answered Tanya's question. How many C-sections have YOU had??

You're a Total Moron

Yes,of coure there is pain management in Iran. It's not as uncivilized as you might think it is. They have epidurals, they have anesthesia. They have doctors. How in the hell do you think they manage to do their umpteen million C-sections? By having women bite down on a stick so they don't scream out in absolute agony? And sorry, but the episiotomy stitches DO disolve, by themselves, within a week.

Majid, Having noticed that

Majid,

Having noticed that my comment was deleted on another thread, I am reviewing the hotest blogs and I am noting a lot of deleting going on. I don't know if it is JJ or someone else. But it better stop and there better be an explanation in the form a BERIMFAZA blog or feature article.

If he can put people's unconsented sex tapes on air, my "f" word, better not get deleted.

Whatever, You never answered

Whatever,

You never answered the question, what kind of pain management is available for vag del in Iran? How often do women use epidurals?

Your attitude and misinformation is typical of a male dominated traditional health system. I am not going to engage in a war of words with you. I have stated the reasons behind my belief.

Most opisiotomy stiches do not disolve within a few days. When they do disolve, there are months of other issues that come up with it. Some times years.

Your ignorance is your bliss.

Doctor Maman

Obviously she hasn't. Pretty sure she works for a major insurance company or she's a doctor who can charge triple the going rate for a C-section delivery as opposed to vaginal. Maybe she gets a kick-back, ya think? She's talking about a 6-week recovery vs maybe a 3-day recovery. Episiotomy stitches disolve within a few days, women are up and around within hours of a normal delivery vs bedrest for several days with a C-section.

JJ.

I noticed "A" comment from "Lab-o-Zaboon........." and my response to it and another one were deleted, I'm just  curious as to why? 

Look at the big picture

Tonya,

Vag deliveries are considered "natural" and as such they are by default considered the best method. This is wrong.

I was unable to a doctor in my area who performed elective c sections. Most of the doctors were above the age of 50. The reason was always the same, c section is major surgery, you are a young woman, you don't know what you are talking about. They mention damages to the pelvic floor and incontinence. However, they almost never tell you about the SAME issues that are COMMON among women with vaginal del.

Many OBGYNs are of the older traditional generation who haven't had an update class since their graduation. Some younger doctors have been trained by these olders ones. It is a vicious circle.

I realize that recovery from surgery is not easy. Child bearing is not easy. Surgery is serious business and there is pain after. However, you have to look at things relatively. Recovery from a relatively easy and safe procedure (yes! easy and safe in comparison to other surgeries) vs all the negative side effects of a vaginal birth.

The medical community is traditionalist and refuses to update itself to the current family dynamics and women's needs. This also true about breastfeeding. A lot of myths and false information out there encourages unhealthy women to breastfeed.

If you consider medical technology, high rates of post partum depression, side effects of vaginal births, availability of pain management, family demographics etc, in my opinion, you will consider that vaginal births are not what they are cracked up to be.

My partner gave birth to our girl and after birth we resumed

normal sex immediately! Of course normal to us means using the double-headed strap-on! To satisfy each other, we use different sizes, anywhere from 8" to 12". I know of heterosexual partners who use this tool as well. Strap-on can be very effective tool for both sexes! All you need is to conjure up and get in the action!?

DoctorMaman

One question... please... just one!  Have YOU had a c-section?  That's all I want to know. 

Whatever, You basically

Whatever,

You basically just repeated your previous rant!Since you are aware of the situation in Iran, could you tell me if epidurals are available and being used on a mass scale? My question is specific and does not involve blaming me. So if you have an aswer, please share....

I did not want to take the readers time by going into many details like politics and demographics. However, if as a young professional woman, you are to have one or two children, "major" surgery is not as bad as the problems that a vaginal delivery brings along. C SECTIONS ARE NOT THE SURGERY THEY WERE  15 30 or EVEN 5 YEARS AGO. The myth that C sections are this major surgery that one is to be pertrified of is simply not true anymore.

situation in Iran

I AM aware of the situation in Iran. It's a man's world. Everything is done for the comfort of the man. HIS needs. Sexual and otherwise. Women's needs don't come into play. If these men want their wives to have C-sections, so be it. Don't tell me that recovering from major surgery (Yes, C-sections are MAJOR surgery) is easier than a vaginal delivery. Unless it's absolutely necessary for the health of the mother and baby, why in the world would anyone subject themselves to one?

What do you expect from men... jeez

Obviously no one here, especially DoctorMaman, has had a C-section.  PERIOD. 

Kaveh Noonwayee

Kaveh Noonwayee and Bush are of the same mind. Bush said "OBGYN's can't practice their love of women", reference to medical malpractice insurance being high, and Kaveh is thinking a relationship between tight vaginas and C sections are an intersting subject to opine about.

I was born Cesarean

Everything else is normal, except whenever I want to enter a room, I have to go in from the window.

kaveh stop yourself - don't continue this subject

Please Kaveh for the love of woman, God, Iran, Shah STOP talking about birthing. You sound so ridiculous. I usually like what you write, but you sound incredibly dumb on this subject. Stop it, please.

Kaveh Noon-widee is an idiot

Kaveh where did you learn all these subjects? Are you the same noon-widee who said; come at noon and I'll spread my ass wide for you? Who should see your wide ass? your same sex partner, your veterinarian and yourself?

It has nothing to do with Iran

Simply put, elective surgery that is not medically necessary is irresponsible.

The rationale of wanting to preserve the appearance of the genitals is sheer lunacy. If your husband only loves you because you're tight, then that's a character flaw of his. If you feel that all you have to offer a man is a tight vagina, then you have the issue. There are only three people who should ever see your genitals: your husband/partner, your ob/gyn, and yourself.  You're not putting them on display in a museum.

Don't apologize

these men are stubborn. if their bodies were always bleeding on a monthly basis and taking hormones to control pregnancy/encourage pregnancy, they'd open their dark dusty minds to why you are talking about this. thank you thank you. remember when JJ announced his surgery to tie his tubes? no one called him vain. it's a medical issue, not a "you dont have a zipper so it's not natural". Sounds like something psycho tom cruise would say

Whatever, I am not aware

Whatever,

I am not aware of the situation in Iran but let's give some of the women there some credit. Maybe they want c sections because:

- There is no effective pain management available on a mass scale. Safe epidurals?

- They enjoy sex! What a concept. We want to feel the penis inside and they don't want to be loose because of their OWN sexual appetite.

- C sections maybe clean and easy and more safe for them.

Is it possible that they have a brian and make decisions for themseleves? I am sure they have men they want to please but could it be possible there are other contributing factors?

Mr. NouraeeC secs have

Mr. NouraeeC secs have existed for a long time, never as a choice. Today, a c sec a 30 minute procedure and is very safe.An increasing number of women undergo vag dels with an epidural. Indicating that we are not interested nor do we feel obligated to go through pointless pain. A vag del has many long/short term risks to mommy and baby. Therefore to eliminate the c sec option based on the old surgery excuse is not acceptable anymore.HMO problems are not a factor, a bad hospital is dangerous for everyone. C secs are mostly scheduled in advance anyway and are performed by an OBGYN.

There is no proven scientific or psychological link between elective c sections, laziness, a person’s readiness for parenthood or their parenting skills.

The Tunnel

It's assholes like you that drive every woman in Iran to request a C-section. Heaven forbid she's too "loose" for her husband afterwards.

Kaveh Nouraee the medical expert

If Kaveh Nouraee could tolerate a mere acquintance with Khar-keer guy below and feel his assets up his ass then he would have a little idea what women go through when they give birth!

How the heck do you know? Here is a lady giving first hand experience about the issue, and you jump in with two page essays?

You are just a brat bacheh akhoond, most likely daddy also worked for the Iranian Oil Company!

Feel the pain and then talk....