وبلاگ افشاگر حقیقت

BRAVO!!

Every bit of it is right on the mark.

And for those who are already criticizing it as a blanket statement against all Iranians, please look at the very legible beginning of the second paragraph.

besheen baba...

I did take a look in the mirror.

And I saw you. Soldiers of Rahim Mashaee. Closet Islamists trying to recruit nationalists by calling themselves "pro-Iran". Why do u think the Cyrus Cylinder is in Iran now?

And it's obvious.

Despite NP's hatred for America, she and I can perfectly get along with eachother. She understands what respect for the opposing view means, despite the fact that she doesnt agree with me on many things. And I salute her for that.

But you? Nooo. You cant take one ounce of criticism, self-criticism, and instead resort to ad hominems, whether it's me, Simorgh, Hoshang, or whoever else. 

The inability to take criticism is the trademark of an Islamist. Because Islamists are absolutists. They think theyre fuckin right about everything, and dismiss all opposing views to the point of attacking their advocates. 

So in the end, it doesnt matter if u support IRI or not. You are actually doing their dirty work, by censoring the opposition, hating America and UK etc, and siding with people like ParthianShot. Youre practically doing the mullah's work for them, like it or not.

Pro-Iran doesnt mean creating "Greater Iran", and other such stupid teenage nonsense. (What? U gonna waltz into Bahrain or Iraq and force them to become part of Iran, because one day they were part of Iran? Just like that? What if they want to stay independent? What if they want to stay Arab? What if Azeris decide in a referendum to seperate? What r u gonna do? Killem?) Pro-Iran means respecting the opposition (aka plurality)! What Khomeini could not do. What Ahmadinejad could not do. What YOU, obviously now, cannot do. Otherwise u wouldnt be attacking me, just because my viewpoint doesnt agree with yours.

Grow up VPK.  You have much to learn.

Regarding Islam

I am not an Islamist; not even a Muslim. Any allegation that I am some kind of Islamist is flat out wrong.

So please do not pay attention to this person "Fesenjoon" spreading lies about my position. This person seems to think he knows much more than he really does. The sign of arrogance is thinking you know more than you do. The only person who may speak for me is I. And I say I oppose Islam in all its forms specially for Iran.

There are people think if you don't kiss up to America you are an Islamist. This is another sign of a small mind. One incapable of understanding that there is more than pro-USA and pro-Islam. There are many points of view in the world.

Mine is pro-Iran. And by Iran I do not mean IRI, I mean the real Iran. The people Fesenjoon so badly trashes at every chance. Ignorance and arrogance make a very poor combination. Nex time before trashing Iranians take a look in the mirror buddy.

the agenda is yours

yes. hush up, keep the aberoo of the nezaam, trash the west, and attack all other Iranian opposition. That's exactly what has kept this regime in power for so long. 

When will you Islamists come out of the closet, and stop hiding behind that fake nationalist mask?

Parthianshot91

I agree with you 100 %. You bring some sense into this whole sorry blog. It is important to debunk such garbage about Iranian people because it is so damaging..

When an Iranian reads this kind of thing it creates despair. It attacks the self respect that all people need to be a nation. The basis of these attacks is "Colonial Thinking". It aims to destroy the foundation and self respect of a culture. Then make it ready for unraveling. Basically if we are that bad then why should we bother to exists. It is not only racist but also self defeating. If I ever read "hate speech" this is it. This is also why it is important to allow responses to blogs to remain. So we can debunk these lies.

When a non Iranian reads these attacks it makes them think less of Iranians. Now why would a person want to hire or do business with us if we are this bad.  It creates discrimination against Iranians.

The fact that the blog writer is oblivious to any reasoning shows an agenda. I have read "fesenjoon" other remarks. All of them are: gloomy and filled with venom and hate against Iranian people. Fesenjoon has an agenda and it is not a good one.

fesenjoon

 You see how you go ahead and call anyone who tries to protect the Iranian people, an islamist? That right there is a mentality of a lost clueless fool. I don't care how horrible this regime is, I would never  jump on the bandwagon of the same person that is trying to ridicule my people, no matter what, especially when those Iranian people (including me) are putting their time, effort and lives into fighting to get rid of this vile regime and these sort of articles do nothing more than discourage people. Fact is all the world has some problems, but you Americans have every social and cultural problem known to man from my point of view and most of the world's.

 Further more, this is what i mean when i say self-hating people like you are not Iranians, nor should be associated with Iranians.

 Yes, i think I'm gonna make a article about Americans. Gonna call it "The degenerate American", ey, you like the title?

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

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Everybody

This thread was made cause this NP member made one about Americans, though she didn't bring cultural issues that americans have into it, maybe I should make one about your beloved degenrate America? Ey? I think I'm gonna go ahead and make one about you Americans.  Ignore this attention whore of a thread btw, don't feed the trolls.

//iranian.com/main/blog/niloufar-parsi/american-idiot

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

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Fesenjoon

I did not say "you don't know anything". I said :

if you think I am an Islamist you know nothing of me

Please do not twist my words. I do agree with you about us debating. It is not serving any purpose and I am done. However if you post something then I may respond to debunk it. You are in a public forum and I may chose to respond to a post.

VPK

Look. If u think I dont know anything, then simply ignore me. Im not trying to change you. Your views seem firmly fixed and closed to any exchange. So there's no point in debating you. Have a good one.

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" --Blaise Pascal

NP

Of course I have.

It's what Ive been doing for the past 5 years.

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" --Blaise Pascal

Fesenjoon

I made a legitimate remark. You are speaking as if you have an overarching expertise in what Iranians are. I asked how? When you make a lot of remarks it is perfectly reasonable to question their knowledge.

Regarding the "Islamist" remark if you think I am an Islamist you know nothing of me. Have you read my many criticisms of Islam? If not then please do. I am one of the most critical people on Islam on IC.

fesenjoon

of course iranians should know better. so if you want to let them know, why not do this in farsi and on a web site that they actually read/have access to?

VPK

If youre going to stoop down to talking about who I am and what I dont know and what am not an expert in, then Im simply going to ignore you. Ad hominems are the trademark of islamists who run out of logic. If u want to have a discourse with me, attack the argument, not me.

As to your comment, you didnt read the article's disclaimer and introduction, it seems. I think I was clear there. 

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" --Blaise Pascal

I forgot # 26

It's actually an extension of 19, but still deserves it's own mention

26.

Sexism. Iranians are innately sexist creatures. From the typical abbas agha who is shouting

"زن! برو توی آشپزخونت ساکت باش"

ضعیفه to the dumbass cultural references like 

Maybe in the days of Artemis or Pantea Arteshbod, things were different. But in the last 200-300 years, Iranians have certainly become a sexist bunch. Take this newspaper clip from the Shah era. Notice the second bullet star, where it says

"Iran's women atomic scientists love cooking and sewing, just as much as they love their jobs"

Good lowwrd, was making such a derogatory comment so important for you to mention it as a bullet summary in the article? WTF is wrong with u people? Must women be defined by how well they do in the kitchen? But then again, this is the barakaat of the culture of the mullahs and mullaphiles, where it is claimed

"From the skirts of women, men ascend to heaven" 

Are u kidding me?! Is this (innuendo) your idea of giving bahaa to women? shiiiiit

PS: yeh yeh, I know. daaman doesnt exactly translate to skirt. It's a sneaky little weasel word. But that's why it's an innuendo. They couldve easily chosen something less doublesided, like "fadaakaaree", "mehr", "parvaresh", "mohabbat", etc. But again, theyre plain stupid

Fesenjoon

How did you become an exprt on Iranian people? I know you had some bad experiences. But taking it out on everyone is not right. Now instead of making statements without backup how about this. I have proof for what I am about to say.

• Iranian pople are generally moderate in religion. Proof: Iranians who go outside of Iran. They are not fundamentalists. In fact many of them flat out stop practicing Islam. One half Iranian American "Muslims" have left Islam.
• Iranian people both in and out of Iran value education. The Iranian American population is on top of the list of educated American subgroups. A culture that respects education makes a good and respectable people.
• Iranians outside of Iran hardly ever get in trouble with the law. If we were the lying cheating people you say wouldn't we be in legal trouble? On the contrary we are respected and valued. 
• Iranians very rarely commit acts of terror and violence. Yes there are a few. But on the whole this does not happen much thank god. This is yet another proof that we have good people.

I have provided a few concrete examples. Now you can sit on your high horse and make statements. But how about some backing for what you say? Will you show me some examples please.

By the way the actions of Islamic Republic are not a good example. Duictatorship governments do not represent people. How about the Sovient Union? How was it that the people hated that system. But were *forced* to live it. Just like in Iran.

Niloufar Parsi

"I wonder if you would react quite as strongly to Saudi or Kuwaiti or Afghan or Yemeni or Pakistani etc membership of such a body."

Certainly. The treatment of women in Saudi Arabia or Yemen sickens me to the core. Theyre all being fed from the same source: Islam. But that shouldnt be an excuse for Iranians. We had a constitutional revolution over 100 years ago, when Saudis were busy chasing lizards for dinner. Countless intellectuals. Hundreds of reforms and movements. And all for what? To end up with stoning women in 2010??

Iranians should know better. Iranians should know better than to follow illiterate morons who give fatwas about women being "half-brained". But they do. And that's why theyre idiots. For supporting misogynist repression, even against their own personal interests.

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" --Blaise Pascal

Roozbeh Gilani

"These are all by products of centuries of  oppression, dictatorship and government sponsored religious sperstition by corrupt kings and now the super corrupt islamist regime."

Exactly. 

"Good news is that these are all reversible. The reversal can be achieved in a secualr democracy. The secular democracy can and will be established in Iran after the islamist regime is despatched to the dusbin of history, by the mighty nation of Iran."  

In theory, it should be reversible, I agree. khaastan tavanestan ast. But practically, del kandan from the opium of the masses will turn out to be a much more bigger challenge than you think. Iran has been living under the shadow of religion for thousands of years. For a society to go secular, they have to be incredibly progressive in their thinking. I doubt if we have enough progressive elements in Iran today. Most people are simply looking for short-cuts. They want to have religion in their lives, but live free as well. They ignore that Islam by definition means SURRENDER (or submitting) to another's will. 

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" --Blaise Pascal

divaneh

I dont think all of the idiots in Iran are "regime charatcters". A regime has to have some level of support from below inorder to function like it does in Iran. The dumbass beating the girl here probably has 3 kids and a wife living in a 90m2 apartment in yaaft abad or Meydoon Khorasoon among many other similar people like himself

That's why if u noticed, Shajarian (at 3:45) in his song sings

 برادر جان تفنگت را زمین بگذار

Why do u think he keeps saying baradar?

In the end youll see that it's more of a class struggle or civil war, rather than a simple (wishful thinking) struggle of people against dictatorship

"Idiocy of Iranians"

As listed in this blog is not accidental or genetic.

These are all by products of centuries of  oppression, dictatorship and government sponsored religious sperstition by corrupt kings and now the super corrupt islamist regime.

Good news is that these are all reversible. The reversal can be achieved in a secualr democracy. The secular democracy can and will be established in Iran after the islamist regime is despatched to the dusbin of history, by the mighty nation of Iran. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Iranians are

NOT liars. I am an Iranian and have had great deal of dealings with other Iranians. Many times I have been in a situation to take off with other people's money. I have always been truthful and honest. Most other Iranians I know have been honest.

Sure there may be a few bad apples. But saying Iranians are liars or dishonest is crap. Not just crap but also wrong; racist even if the person saying it is Iranian; ignorant ...

Started well but lost it

Thanks Fesenjoon for your timely blog. You started well but lost me quickly. Iranians are hypocrites, lie with relative ease and don’t take responsibility, were all correct. But some of your other criticism got focused on a small group that rules Iran. Some points mixed the forced policies with people real wishes and objectives. Most your examples came from the regime characters and its pollicise to the point that I felt you may not be an Iranian or have not lived amongst Iranians. We have plenty of bad habits and tendencies ourselves without needing any help from the government. You forgot to mention that we are materialistic people who at times suffer a lack of principles. There are plenty of our own traits that you could have examined without narrowing this down to a ruling minority.

Fesenjoon

lot of truth to what youare saying  

fesenjoon

fair point about the UN commission on gender equality if one assumes that such membership is about leadership. you could look at the membership of such commissions as a form of participation and equal treatment of the UN's members, and something that forces members to look at their own performance in this area. you know there are specific indicators for measuring success in this area, and iran cannot hide behind rhetoric alone. on top of that, there are few countries in the region with a better record on women, and the region must be represented on the commission or else it is not the UN. i wonder if you would react quite as strongly to Saudi or Kuwaiti or Afghan or Yemeni or Pakistani etc membership of such a body. still, the criticisms directed at iran in the context of this commission should help push the debate forward. so it's all good :)

Peace

Fesenjoon

Is Mexico a developed country?

Is Iran?

VPK

Is Mexico a developed country?

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" --Blaise Pascal

Fesenjoon Jaan

I also said Mexico driving. Have you been to their highways? I have and it is pretty insane..

difference bewteen Iranians and Americans

Is that our government and for the most part the society and sharia laws do/does not represent most of us Iranians, and we're fighting to change that with our lives. while the American governmnet and society represents the American people very well, whether you wanna admit it or not.

I usually don't generalize, but most stereotypes about Americans are true, this is because it's society and "culture" is very media driven, and the American people, not all but diff most,  follow it like robots. There's no other country you can find that is so media driven in terms of life-style, mentality and so on.

The islamic crap Iranians hear on t.v In Iran, they know it's propaganda, while most Americans it's the opposite with them cause they're so simple-minded and clueless.

America is a failed society that's leaching off others, like Rome basically, crap, even the influence of Rome doesn't come close to the negative crap America encourages in the world. Do you really want me to spell it out for you?

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

Niloufar Parsi

NP,

Getting along with the opposite is actually pretty easy: Let's just focus on our common beliefs and ideas, and try to build from there.

For example, do u agree with the Islamic Republic of Iran's newly ordained seat on the board of the UN Women commission on gender equality?  

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" --Blaise Pascal

13th Legion

Well, we aint seen the worst of it yet, Im afraid. Now that theyre banning the classical social sciences in Iranian universities, they will literally shut out intellectualism from the younger minds. (or at least attempt to).

A couple of weeks back, I was discussing some topic with somebody at the local Masjed (which are mostly Iranians aligned with IRI). At one point, I tried explaining Kant's Categorical Imperative. The guy suddenly said: "Kant deegeh kodoom khareeyeh akheh? We have Hazrat-e Ali".

That's where things are headed, Im afraid. 

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" --Blaise Pascal

VPK

I strongly disagree with u on # 17. The worst American Interstate highway doesn't even come close to the total chaos on the best Iranian autobahn. Nowhere in the developed world do u have cars driving into sidewalks, and honking their horns to pedestrians to get out of the way, while giving the pedestrians a dirty look! Disregard for driving laws is part of Iran's culture. That's why we see billboards at the Tehran-Qom freeway Police-e Raah station saying stuff like "fastening your seat belts is not just the law, it's your vazeefeh shar'ee".

Havent u heard that joke?:

One day some basiji goon is driving along a street. Suddenly Radio Payam announces: "This just in: According to our traffic webcams, a vehicle is driving in the opposite direction in a one-way street near Jomhuri Ave, endangering other vehicles. Please be advised for this reckless driver." The Basiji looks around and says: "Man, whatever. They're ALL driving in the wrong direction!"  

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" --Blaise Pascal