Have you ever noticed that monarchists (yes, it's amazing that this species still exists) claim that because Reza Pahlavi is "innocent" by default and is a reformer of the tyranny known as monarchy/moftarchy (you could argue that all governors are part of moftarchy....)? Why? How is he any better than any monarch before him? What makes him deserve any powerful position. If you're answering mentally in support, I hope your answer isn't based on the fact that "what makes Ahmadinejad eligible for President?"
It's interesting to me because I actually like this idea of slow change in Iran. Now slow as in bloody, but slow as in reflective (inwardly) and the result of actual effort by many people over time. Swift stuff is bound to be shrouded in tons of suspicion and conspiracy theory. Why is it that someone who makes mistakes in a certain regime is less likely to reform, while another one (Pahlavi a single man without any experience in running even a franchise) is a reformer?
I don't even understand how Reza pahlavi is a reformer of monarchy: he's not even a monarch to begin with.
I thought about this as I read a message by him on Yahoo! news in which (don't you....forget about him.... the simple minds song is about him don't you know?) he proclaimed the Islamic Republic to be "racist." I had to laugh, not because the Islamic Republic is the beacon of all harmony, but because of the very beautiful and non-racial terminology (terms for provincial folks and Turks we all love and are proud of, I'm sure) that his father's regime time enlightened us with. You all know them. Maybe one day some bored Iranian in exile will publish a book about Iran's racist language in general.
I just don't get why monarchy is eligible for reform, but people who have been in Iran and are working slowly for change are ineligible or should be scrapped aside. Personally, I'm not a supporter of Mousavi, and not only because of his involvement in the 80s purge campaign. However, I can't deny the fact that he has the power to reform Iran and Iranians. If his election loss meant anything, it was that Iranians have changed and are ready.
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monarchy once gone should be gone
by yahoo_yabo on Mon Mar 01, 2010 04:58 PM PSTmost monarchies in europe are a continuum of monarchies that existed,
in iran, the monarchy wsa abolished, makes no sense to re-establish it,
its all really silly that older folks want a monarchy so that the king and queen can grace the front pages of life, people and match magazines. you ought to grow up and become politically literate.
good day
Pahlavis were the weakest Kings ever ruled over Iran.
by No Fear on Mon Mar 01, 2010 04:49 PM PSTNeed to remind anyone one of their tendencies to escape Iran when there was heat around the corner? How pathetic is that ?
its even more pathetic when some justify a monarchist Iran since it will provide the world with a better image of Iran. WOW ... and what does this image tell about the Iranian people? That we are a bunch of pre historic semi developed nation who needs a king to rule over them.
Marge jaan Persian Empire was neither Persian nor an empire! No?
by Anonymouse on Mon Mar 01, 2010 04:36 PM PSTEverything is sacred.
what the heck is that?
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Mon Mar 01, 2010 04:14 PM PSTI have not heard of this? It just has persia in the name. What a stupid movie. Look Darius, no one owns Persian culture, and we have to realize this in a globalized, orientalized Western world! The fact that they can even do this proves how caricature monarchy is. Do you remember the royal family in Syriana (written by your favorite guy who wrote Devil We know Iran)? The idea of royalty and aristocracy doesn't sustain any culture. The times have changed.
Shirin Ebadi. Yes? No more moftarchy and empty suit men. The time of Iranian women is here!
Add Ubisoft Prince of Persia: Sands of Time to your IRANICAN edu
by Darius Kadivar on Mon Mar 01, 2010 04:09 PM PSTIRANICANS are OLAGH !
Just like their Movies ...
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YqNItfBFL4
Period !
Darius
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Mon Mar 01, 2010 04:05 PM PSTYes I understand Darius Dear. Actually, most things in the world are copied from Iranian culture. We invented it all. I know this and finally we can agree. What I'm telling you is that the times of monarchy, yes even Iranian monarchy, are GONE to dust. It's a hard idea to digest maybe, but it's true. These things don't motivate. They aren't timeless.
Marge Jaan King Arthur is NOT a Person But an IDEA !
by Darius Kadivar on Mon Mar 01, 2010 04:01 PM PSTNo Wonder You still don't Get it !
LOL
No more than the Mythological Characters of the Shahnameh are People.
If you don't Understand Watch What Arthur Say's about How Merlin Taught him how to Become an Owel:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtKu2ovTYc&feature=related
Excalibur, the Goblins and the Rest are merely METAPHORS !
Besides there are NO Special Effects in Camelot ( 1969) Movie unlike John Boorman's Excalibur:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpeQ2il4PxM
Anyway it's too late to explain to you that King Arthur was most probably even modeled on Cyrus the Great of Persia given the parallels between Celtic and Persian Mythology as depicted by French Linguist Georges Dumezil...
Now go and educate yourself on Greek Mythology with the next American Blockbuster instead of Reading Homer's The Iliades and the Odyssey:
Clash of the Titans Starrring: Sam Worthington, Liam Neeson, Ralph Fiennes
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpZ5D_Wc4cA
Jesus You Nihilistic IRANICANS ! ...
What a waste of precious time Only to Uplift your Bubble Gum Mindsets !
Yawn ...
Shab Khosh !
DK
Long Live the King ;)
by Fouzul Bashi on Mon Mar 01, 2010 03:14 PM PST"If Reza Pahlavi can demonstrate the powers of Arthur..... OK", Marge jan, if Reza Pahlavi were as much of a myth as King Arthur, I would let him be Da King, sword an all :)))
Dear Darius, this is why i love you!
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Mon Mar 01, 2010 03:03 PM PSTKing Arthur. Bless your heart.
King Arthur had magical powers. He pulled a damn sword from a stone. He almost died for pete's sake. These days, moftarchy is just that..... moft everything. It's outdated and symbols are no longer valuable. People want production and self determination. They don't depend on a chubby prince to get patriotism pumping in their blood. What happened last year is the perfect example.
If Reza Pahlavi can demonstrate the powers of Arthur..... OK. Better yet, if he says, let's replace this patriarchy with matriarchy, OK! If he says "I have no qualifications to be in charge of nationhood! what are you all thinking?! Shirin Ebadi for president!" I, Marge, will eat my words and respect Reza Pahlavi for more than his appetite.
What about King Arthur ? Was he a Tyrant ? ... ;0)
by Darius Kadivar on Mon Mar 01, 2010 02:56 PM PSTKingship is not about Tyranny or dictatorship for that matter.
You cannot understand Monarchy without understanding what it is about for better of for worse in the history of humanity and Iran is no exception to the rule.
The Monarchy with David Starkey (Cambridge University)
HISTORY FORUM:The Monarchy with David Starkey (Cambridge University)
First and Foremost it is about Nation Building which can only be achieved based on a noble idea of Chivalry :
might for right, right for right, justice for all:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtKu2ovTYc&feature=related
It has nothing to do with having a Blue Blood but being Noble at Heart and Loyal to an idea of our collective self.
Is it a Utopia ? It Sure Is as much as the notions of democracy, Freedom or Patriotism! Which does not make it wrong or illogical for that matter !
A Tyrant is someone who betrays that idea. He or She for that matter can be King, Queen or President. A simple look at all the dictatorships in South America in the 1970's from Pinochet to Chavez today are perfect examples of how tyranny can be managed by power hungry Presidents at the expense of a nations well being.
De Gaulle used to say that he had a certain vision of France. Why ? Because he believed in building the nation from the rubble of humiliation caused by an Un French Treacherous Regime of Petain. De Gaulle as a matter of fact was a Monarchist by Heart but Republican by Reason.
Patriotism and Loyalty to King and Country is a concept which has indeed been blown to Oblivion by the IRANICAN Mindset and replaced by Your American Bubble Gum Notion of Happiness I suppose ! :
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
LOL
Fortunately for Iranzamin not all Iranians are IRANICANS who have Alzheimers ! ...
Let is Not be Forgot, That Once Upon a Spot For One Brief and Shining Moment there was a Place called Camelot ! ...
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbYwf1BJgWA&feature=related
That is why Against All Odds and until my Death, I shall Shout Proudly :
VIVE LE ROI !
my 2 zari
by hamsade ghadimi on Mon Mar 01, 2010 08:45 AM PSTi think more thought should be given regarding david's comment about the amount of attention worthy of monarchist's wishes. the monarchists are a very small minority, perhaps somewhat organized and with resources, but still a very small minority. in berlin, there are monarchists who gather in a square on a regular basis and wear their eighteenth century clothes and play out scenes of their past. kind of the civil war enthusiasts in the u.s. i thought it was amusing and perhaps the monarchists can one day do that in meydoon tajrish in a democratic iran.
as deplorable as the iri regime is and its founder, khomeini did lead a grass roots organization through the many mosques within iran. i'm not insiniuating that the islamists were the only elements of the revolution. his job was being a clergy and get people to heed to his words and he wielded power through his following. i don't know if reza pahlavi has a grass-roots following in iran, writing books (all by himslef), or shown any intellectual prowess other than repeating the talking points of his advisors.
the referendum, at least the way it's being proposed, sounds like another hoodwink to me. khomeini did that 31 years ago in the form of "do you want an islamic republic? yes or no? green or red?" the monarchists seem to want to follow the same old and tried plan by asking "do you want iri or a constitutional monarchy?" slam dunk for the monarchy, right? who wouldn't, if it was a fair referendum and not like the "elecshow" we witnessed this past june. put it another way and make it multiple choice: iri, constitutional monarchy, and unknown candidates 1 through 10. as vpk alluded, you would marginalize the non-supreme leader candidates 1 through 10 by fragmenting them, easily beat iri by their near past record of thugery, and voila you got the constitutional monarchy as a front runner. why not start with a democratic system and then let all other elements try to change the government in a democratic fashion? i think the answer is that the chances for the monarchists would greatly diminish through that proposal.
to me the question is not whether rp can reform. the more relevant question is whether ex iri cronies and out-of-favor clergies can reform a system which has increasingly being changed by the iri military elements. let's welcome the monarchists by spending their energy and resources so that one day we can be witnesses to their old grandeur in meydoon tajrish. i hope no one got offended.
Ms. Parsi
by capt_ayhab on Mon Mar 01, 2010 07:42 AM PSTThanks for your kindness. Good to be back.
-YT
Dear Divaneh
by amirkabear4u on Mon Mar 01, 2010 02:24 AM PSTLet me tell you this sex and politics go hand in hand even in the west. I am surprised you do not KNOW this. What was all the Clinton issue about? Do you remember it? According to you amricans also followed;
'few meaningless Arabic words'
did they? Maybe some akhond told them to do so???
This is what politics is all about.
Think about it.
Fairness and Equality in Justice
Also Masoud - Stop crediting me with IRI
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Sun Feb 28, 2010 02:30 PM PSTWhy do you still make these bogus connections? Does it make you feel better after I give you a dose of reality about this clown Pahlavi? Get over it.
I didn't participate in the revolution, and in case your narrow mind failed to orient you to my comment and other blogs about the shah, i was not for his fall. But he was... he got up and left the freaking country! he left his most ardent supporters and staff. how cruel and selfish. what a patriot. clap clap clap. I just sat in my house in disbelief with my family.
I am very unhappy with Iranian society. That is why I left it for the United States. I don't insist just on how bad monarchy is: i insist AGAIN HERE FOR YOU AS PROOF that I think that IRI is a form of tyranny. I think it is autocratic and corrupt.
Just as it is shocking that there are still monarchists after the moronic shah departed this world, it's still shocking that any of these hezbollahis are still so unified and strong.... or are they? anyway. attack me as much as you like. I still love you Masoud.
Kisses and hugs,
Marge
Not at war!! I'm not an aggressor
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Sun Feb 28, 2010 02:24 PM PSTListen, if you think it's so bad to be critical of people who insert themselves into the spotlight during these critical times for Iran, don't waste your time reading anything. Just close your eyes and ears.
Either I do a crappy writing job or you have failed to understand my point: You can't reform tyranny. However, if you say that monarchy can reform and be benevolent, then you have to say that IRI can as well.
Some of you see the word "PAHLAVI" and you are like pavlov's dog, to borrow an analogy Darius used on me. I actually think Reza Pahlavi is a nice man who is fun if you know him. I'm sure he's a great kisser and a romantic man with his wife. What a handsome, tall man. OK move on from this portrait and realize that he is an empty suit.
Have you ever wondered
by masoudA on Sun Feb 28, 2010 02:20 PM PSTWhy your war is still with Monarchists and Reza Pahlavi Marge? Could it be because you are still not at peace with the fruits of your past efforts taking our country to where it is today? Could it be because you can't come to terms how stupid it was for a socialist to take the dishonorable route of getting under the wings of the biggest mortaje of all the akhoonds? In you insistance on how bad monarchists are - do you think there may be a bit of denial in accepting the foolishness of "Ends justifies Means" - means of teaming up with Khomeini. Right is always right and wrong is always wrong - just focus on the task at hand. There is only one enemy - and after that, all that matters is science, nobility, and ideas on how to make life better.
by the way democratic angel anonymous observer jaaaaan
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Sun Feb 28, 2010 09:40 AM PSTAs dumb and moronic as the shah was, I was never pleased with the revolution and the ridiculousness of it all. The irony is, Reza is no different than his father's enemy the Ayatollah, except Reza lack's the Ayatollah's appeal in exile (embarrassing, sure). If you suspend your love affair with the Pahlavi's for a moment to realize what I'm saying, you'll see that I'm not proud of the IRI or fond of it. I'm stating that the results of a slow change are much more permanent than a phony Chalabi style outsider who promises democracy and fairness. Just like Pahlavi never gave us a referendum, neither will the ayatollahs. I don't think he (shah) should have. He also shouldn't have left the country to a bunch of wolves, but he did. And here we are.
Enjoying your exile Anonymous dear? I know I am not. Cheers!
you're more than welcome
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Sun Feb 28, 2010 09:29 AM PSTthank you for taking the precious time to stop by this communist IRI loving scum's blog.
love always,
marge
God bless you marge jaan
by Anonymous Observer on Sun Feb 28, 2010 09:01 AM PSTat some point someone should give a medal for single handedly, through your tireless efforts, preventing those monstrous Pahlavis from returning to Iran, taking the IRI utopia away from us, turning us into "western", "imperialist" worshiping zombies, giving our precious oil for free to said imperialists, preventing the spread of freedom loving leftist ideology across the planet where Karl Marx statutes can be erected in every town square...etc., etc.
Thank you again Marge the freedom fighter. :-))
Dear Darius
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Sun Feb 28, 2010 08:42 AM PSTThank you for the video. I'm glad you still have a sense of humor! It is very good to be the king..... or Tiger Woods =)
Agreed. If Pahlavi is
by vildemose on Sun Feb 28, 2010 08:29 AM PSTAgreed. If Pahlavi is reformable then so is Mousavi. I read a very insightful article about Mousavi on TNR. No, I don't idolize Mousavi but I think he is the best hope for a bloodless transition into a non-mafiaesque government.
The Mousavi Mission:
//www.tnr.com/article/environment-energy/the-mousavi-mission
Of course it's about that observer
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Sun Feb 28, 2010 08:37 AM PSTso why did you read it? just to say another comment about me? i am drawing a comparison that highlights (what else) hypocrisy by monarchists. of course, this discourse is not going to be acceptable by some who idolize the pahlavis.
i'm used to the attacks/obsession about me. even when it's not about vulgarity, it's about ignoring what a person says and making it about their secret sexual desires. congrats AO. you did it again. love you still.
OH! and the last thing reza pahlavi is experiencing is "burden." Hahahaha. Another oxymoron if I ever saw one (the last one I saw here was "Fred's wisdom.")
I also appreciate your famous words that marge has "hidden agenda." BORO BABA! Enough already with the MI 6 and CIA and Mossad Hidden agenda bull. Doens't it get old? The more you say it doesn't make it true. My agenda is to discuss this problem of giving a free pass to a Pahlavi just because he visits Disneyland instead of Qom. This guy is an empty suit and if you hated the revolution in 1979 and Khomeini's fakery, then how the hell can you see this clown as a viable leader during these serious times? He's like the Iranian version of Sarah Palin. At least Palin was governor of a wacky state.
I think I see the pattern: If someone has a point on an Iranian web site, they must have a hidden agenda. My agenda was pretty clear. You missed it because you are so obsessed with suspecting secret agents and spies, that you don't stop to think that I might have a point about the hypocrisy in saying one tyranny is better than another. Get a grip on yourselves.
I knew it was all about "Pahlavi"
by Anonymous Observer on Sun Feb 28, 2010 07:48 AM PSTwhen I saw marge's name on a blog. :-)))
Marge Azizam, can you tell us what experience Khomeini and his gang had in running a country when they overthrew the Shah? Had Khomeini even run a falafel stand in Najaf when became the "imam"? Had you raised that issue at that time, or since then? Can you point us to your writings on that subject?
Many great leaders in the world have come from non-political backgrounds without any experience in being in charge of running a government. To put such a burden on Reza Pahlavi, or on anyone else for that matter, will exclude pretty much all opposition figures who have been forced into exile by the IRI. If that is your goal, or if you think that it is fair to do so, then one should be highly suspect of your hidden agenda.
PS/ I personally think that you have a secret crush on Reza Pahlavi and that he may have even rejected you at some point. Hence, this vendetta against him. That's the only way I can justify your unhealthy obsession with him. Am I right?
referendum
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Feb 28, 2010 07:10 AM PSTOne problem is that they are "yes" or "no" questions and do not address details. Say they give a choice between IRI and Constitutional Monarchy? What if someone wants a regular Secular Democracy with no Monarch and no VF. I myself guess I would most likely vote for the Monarchy. But I know people who hate the IRI but would never vote for Monarchy. What do they do? It is not fair to leave them with no options.
Maybe a multiple choice is better but it is still limited. But that may split some groups say the anti-IRI group. In addition referandums are inherintely at the mercy of whoever wrote the questions and that is a problem.
Doing a referendum is going to be complex and require a lot of thinking. Who is going to put it together. No doubt whoever it is will have their own agenda. I don't like the idea of unelected officials drafting a referendum.
Maybe we need a 5-10 year long process. Start with an interim constitution e.g. DavidET's. Then move to a caretaker but elected government for a period that would draft options and put them up for vote.
Come out Alex, you are biased
by divaneh on Sun Feb 28, 2010 06:59 AM PSTIf you had slight idea of how Akhonds have used the issue of sex to damnify people and in all cases without any base or justification, then you would understand the meaning of my comments. It was not an insult, it was a fact. And, how can Akhonds or having an Akhond mind be an issue of the past. Which fancy world do you live in?
I am not a monarchist but one does not have to be one to notice your total bias and unjustified and false statements and slants in relation to the Pahlavis. Even a normal activity such as eating salad seems to have you repulse. Did she say “CHeezeh”? Well Mir Hossein debate with AN had the highest repetition of that word, but no one thought of it as something to bash him with.
we can criticize shah and monarchy and even farrah without having a religious or IRI leaning.
Really? Baseless accusations and slants are now called criticism? Where is the proof of this? Does it make sense even to the holders of the smallest brains that the king did not marry the queen and endangered the position of a future prince that he so desperately wanted? In a religious society like Iran?
You have repeated those accusations without asking or searching for proof, just because they strike a chord with your bias. Now instead of responding with some empty words, put up the proof for what you have defended or declare them as slants.
referendum
by benross on Sun Feb 28, 2010 06:27 AM PSTIn referendum to choose between two historic path that Iran has taken in modern history, between IRI constitution and monarchic constitution, you can vote for IRI, and 'reform' from there.
The problem solved.
divaneh: here's some advice: think of new insults
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Sun Feb 28, 2010 06:22 AM PSTcalling everyone akhond might have worked in the 1990s, but it fails to produce any kind of debate now. we can criticize shah and monarchy and even farrah without having a religious or IRI leaning. Get some new insults.
amirkabear4u
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Sun Feb 28, 2010 06:20 AM PSTwhat should surprise us all about that marriage is that farah's family was known for its communist leanings. of all the women..... her? she's a full time BSer. I saw the lame documentary of her discussing the past while eating salad and champagne. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. The highlight was her saying "cheezeh" over and over.
I'm really serious about this reform idea with the monarchy. How can you say reform of monarchy with a straight face while denying reform of the current situation in Iran? It's wholly contradictory! One is based on a religion subjugates women and another one is based on a religion of family lines and ego.... that ALSO subjugates women based on patriarchy. Feeling dizzy?!
tyrrany 1 > tyrrany 2 just because Reza wears armani ties and doens't mention Israel as a problem? Give me a break! All governors are bad. I'm so tiredof the Pahlavi idolatry. It's the one place we should graduate from. It doesn't produce any kind of democratic movement or culture. He's just a HELLO! magazine subject and ought to remain that way.
Shameful comment AmirKabear4U
by divaneh on Sun Feb 28, 2010 05:07 AM PSTYour comment about Shah and Farrah is just shameful. Not that I give a damn about the few meaningless Arabic words that in your view has to be mumbled before two people can join each other, but I do understand the insult contained in your comments. That slant can only be creation of an Akhond's mind. Let me assure you that you have not only insulted the monarchists.
Marge, Capt great to see u back!
by Niloufar Parsi on Sun Feb 28, 2010 03:24 AM PSTPeace