When I saw this submitted news item -- Islamic world urged to stand against Western-style human rights -- I was going to leave the following as a comment, but then I thought I should share my thoughts with a wider audience.
"Secretary of the Human Rights Headquarters of Iran's Judiciary" is speaking against "Western-style human rights"...? My first reaction is "Aghaye Larijani, beh too rootoon", but then I would have had to delete my own comment for making a personal attack and using profanity! :o)))
But seriously, cheghad eenaa roo daaran? This piece of news is so absurd on so many levels. Mohammad Javad Larijani and his superiors could care less about any kind of human rights. Their job is to protect the Islamic Republic at all cost.
Yes, the west has lost plenty of moral ground in conducting and condoning torture following 9/11. The horrendous mistreatment of detainees in Abu Gharaib and Guantanamo will not be forgotten for a very long time. GW Bush and Dick Cheney should stand trial for crimes against humanity in Iraq and Afghanistan -- or at the very least be removed from office for numerous lies and constitutional violations.
But for the Islamic Republic, and especially its judiciary, to be criticizing the West and claiming some sort of moral superiority is indeed hilarious.
I mean do I have to list what crimes this judiciary and this regime as a whole have been committing in the name of god? The list is so comprehensive, the crimes have been going on for so long and our fear of oppression is so deep that many of us have simply chosen to close our eyes and focus on our own lives. We feel powerless to do anything that would bring about change. We are only focused on simple survival.
There's one important thing I hope everyone will think about, especially those in the 16 to 26 age range (the rest are too immature or old and stubborn):
A crime is a crime is a crime whether it is committed by the west or the east, whether by the IRI or Israel or Hamas or the U.S. or Switzerland -- or even your own brother or sister.
You must be completely fair and condemn human rights violations regardless of your nationality, race, religion or political views. You can be anti-war and still point out every crime committed in Iran. On the other hand, you cannot be pro-war and pro human rights either.
Instead, we must protect life, reject war and violence, defend fundamental rights and demand basic freedoms in any situation and under any government.
I just want this point lodged in your head even if you disagree with me. In time it will impact your decisions in a positive way whether you like it or not. That's what I hope at least :o)
Our first priority is not to blindly defend our own or our favorite government, political belief, faith, race or leader. Politicians, religious leaders, ALL individuals without exception are fallible and their actions must be judged against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
If you take a person's life or liberty, if you commit torture or oppress women and minorities, you are doing wrong and must be held accountable no matter who you are -- prophets, saints, imams, presidents, priests and ayatollahs included.
Many will always defend the likes of Khomeini and Rajavi and Pahlavi and Imam Hossein and Sharon and Bush and and Saddam and Ataturk and Bin Laden and Hitler and Lenin and Mao and ... for nationalistic, ideological or pathological reasons.
But if you don't hold leaders (and everybody else) accountable without prejudice, then society as a whole will suffer: human rights will erode, freedoms will be curtailed, wars will be waged, innocents will be blown to pieces or hanged, critics will be jailed, suspects will be tortured, women will become second-class citizens, ethnic and religious minorities will be ignored and mistreated, yes-men and hypocrites and charlatans will flourish, not to mention the damage that will be inflicted on education, health, the economy and...
Remember: No person, no religion, no ideology, no government deserves our complete loyalty and support. Always question the status quo and be a believer and defender of fundamental and universal rights. If your leader or government observes these principles, very well. Support them. If not, you owe it to yourself and society at large to take a stand.
Am I wrong?
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Bashar = Shiah athna ashar
by jimzbund on Fri May 16, 2008 07:49 AM PDTTwo points,
1- in the final analysis, huquq bashar will only apply to the people who are the real bashars as chosen by Allah and the purest of them are the Shiites . So Unless you are a twelver shiite in Iran you have no rights.
2- What America is doing by ignoring the human rights in dealing with so called terrorists are done against other nationals ; these Iranian crimes are mostly done to the Iranians themselves . So for Islamic Human Rights , first they have to find humans then talk about the rights.
Bund, Jimz Bund
It is easy said than done.
by AnonymousFish (not verified) on Fri May 16, 2008 07:49 AM PDTJJ jaan;
It is easier said than acted upon. How many people participated or demonstrated against the Iraq attack by savage Americans vs. those who did not?
Bush and Co. are no different than Ahamdinejad and Co.
I agree but you forgot the Stubborn Mossadeghi's in the list
by Darius Kadivar on Fri May 16, 2008 06:10 AM PDTWell almo5000 caught up with the list you mentioned
I know Monarchists are stubborn but when it comes to Stubborn Mossadeghi's ...
OH BOY ! ;0)
Culture and History is a big part of it ...
by almo5000 on Fri May 16, 2008 05:49 AM PDTJJ,
You are a great iranian. As always you make very good points, and very smart ones, mind you. What you have forgotten howver is that our culture and history plays a very important role in what and how we think and deal with social and cultural issues such as human rights.Going back to history, if you were there in 1953 and saw what "freedom of the press" at the time did to our nation Iran (by being subverted and allow CIA and its stooges in Iran to lie to the public and make mockery of our national government, when Mosadegh was fighting his political life) would you not VERY CAREFULLY watch what the "press" does in Iran today? I am giving you this example only to make a point. The point is that our culture and HISTORY is ingrained in our beliefs and what we do in response to events. Although thanks to the Internet, peoples of the world are more or less coming on the same page, but there are still differences.
Regards.
To add
by Jahanshah Rashidian on Fri May 16, 2008 04:23 AM PDTThe points you described are inevitably fair and must be a pattern for the honest Iranian opposition: the injustice must be condemned anywhere, "in Abu Gharaib and Guantanamo" and Evin. And "A crime is a crime whether it is committed by the west or the east..."-- a lesson for unconditional pro Americans or IRI's lobbyists on this site.
I agree with you that the dimension of IRI plague is so deep that cannot be comparable with any presently bad government in the world. Therefore, I add, as a conclusion, that the things get never better in Iran unless the IRI is removed.
As you described, fear is the main factor beyond the rule of totalitarian regimes. It makes such a symbiosis with the ideology of repressive regimes that only through this pair the regime can survive. Fear impedes citizens in posing simple questions about their most obvious rights, it pushes them in the abyss of self-alienation, passivity, flattery...as we see / saw the behaviour of some "fake / coward / flatter..." people or in fact self-imposed lobbyists of the totalitarian regime--not forget the Mozdours.
All totalitarian systems raise this feeling at any cost and by any means to longer survive.
The cost of Bush bashing
by Fred on Fri May 16, 2008 03:26 AM PDTOf course you are not wrong; you can never go wrong by stating the most fundamental values, never ever. But do you practice what you preach? Isn’t giving and featuring openly supportive of such regimes as Islamist Republic is tantamount to supporting it by proxy? It is one thing to want to have the other voices heard and quite another to giving them the lion’s share of any podium. Do you remember how delirious most were with the smiling face of the same tyranny? Just go back to your archive and see what glorious adjectives were employed by the majority of your featured writers in describing Khatami. Wasn’t and isn’t he part and parcel of the same regime? Now the excuse is in order to bash Bush and Co. which they deserve every syllable of it, lets allow all the same old Islamist/anti-Semites have a forum for dispensation of their venom. Principled aims require principled methods.