Jahanshah Javid

Ebi Jan

Very good one... Those women with those cloths, reminds me those old times back in Shemiran ...

You remember this ?

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YaBxQdUqVA

Shazdeh Red Wine...

You had me at hello.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNfSTHuav_U

Ebi aka Haaji

KouroshS

i think you got a few wires crossed there (e.g. with my name), but i am in agreement with your aims. we differ slightly in approach. for one thing, I wonder who is going to decide who is being emotional as against who is angry or hateful. i also think that we all have the right to be angry about the situation of iran. it depends what you mean by 'anger' too. these definitions can get really cumbersome and subjective, but in the final analysis what we are talking about is people talking to each other. the fewer barriers to this, the better. This is the essential spirit of the internet. 

Peace

Khar Jan

Special for all iranian women .. :D .

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1zEsr2Fo-Y

Bijan khan

thanks for that :)

مراسم ختنه قاطبه

Back at you RedWin Aziz :-)

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnBpd2gWC8I

Ebi Jan

Ebi jan, i dedicate this Video to you for being so 'mashti' .

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=n863iu0DfhY

Eyval :=) .

Redwine aziz

Your satire well recieved :

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEaaqFBGCA8

Ebi aka Haaji

...

ماشین مشدی ممدلی ارزون و بی معطلی

این اتولی که من میگم فورد قدیم لاریه

رفتن توی این اتول باعث شرمساریه

نه قابل کورس شهریه نه قابل سواریه

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk5x0MAQgmE

President e Mahboob !!

Vanilla Ice,the pioneer white Rapper.

You shuold have kept those records.Sure we're young at heart :

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=bslSxYwgwlE

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHgnebZ_jYo

Puff Daddy Featuring Sting - I'll Be Missing You(remake of Police version)

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qzVjoIBSbY

Ebi aka Haaji

you went to the core of the problem now

Very good point Madame:

"On this site reporting equals to flagging. By flagging the offensive material the judgment is deferred to the moderator who then makes a decision whether the case has merit or not, and how to handle it."

1) All the problem is here. People get offended when they see thier posts deleted, even if they are here with a fake name, they take it as an offense to their ego!

Then they come back and insult the publisher, calling him bache k...and his sister ....well, you know what.

If they are criticizing a female's erotic story and you come to say anything to defend that lady, then they call you names and tell you that you are a whore.

If someone blog to express their frustration about a gossip, they come to that blog many times to accuse you of being the author of that gossip! Anybody having any problem with them, they accuse you of being that person, only to discredit you.

Even when you tell them directly and publicly that you don't have nothing against them and you just flag any offensive comment, then they chase you every where, even they wait for you long hours in the chat room to prove you their macho-mans character.

2) Contrary to what you said, I had discussed with BN in my blog, but then he was keen to repeat his point giving example like : if you go somewhere when all the people burp after lunch,......and whatever!

I can't stay 24 hours here to repeat everything I had already said.

3) And finally, yes of course there is comparison to be made between the the petty banters here and the atrocities toward the larger group of people in the world.

I bring to your attention only a movie about this, but later I can provide much more sources if you are interested:

A movie based on a true story

//www.imdb.com/title/tt0463998/

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.

Haaj Ebi We are Young at Heart Buddy!

Plus we look great too ;-)

Sugar Hill Gang were the pioneers of RAP as we know today, I was big fan back then and had all their albums/singals on 33/45rpm vinyl. I should have kept them they would have worth a lot today:-( 

Here's couple more classics back at you Buddy... 

Run DMC- Its Tricky

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cYQV62WhkM

Vanilla Ice - Ice Ice Baby :o))))

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rog8ou-ZepE

Agha Kourosh

Of course you should 'attack the offender and put him/her in their place' if your objective is to put them in their place, but don't think by doing so you are changing the culture on this site.

As I said before, in any society if everybody decided to take the law in their own hand and go around and enforce it, we would end up in anarchy. In any civilsied society, if someone does something against the law, and you see it, you can report them and law and justice takes its own course. You don't go and confront every single person who breaks the law personally. On this site reporting equals to flagging. By flagging the offensive material the judgement is deferred to the moderator who then makes a decision whether the case has merit or not, and how to handle it.

And finally a point addressed to Souri Khanoum again. I have said this before, nothing we do on this site, comes anywhere close to those injustices committed to the Jewish people during the Third Reich or what is happening to the Bahai's in Iran. Those people's rights and lives were/are gravely violated and put at serious risk. Any comparison with the petty banters that take place on this site would be an insult to memories of the victims of those atrocities. 

*Bijan*… not redundant…

*Bijan A M* - The message of your post may be consistent with that of mine, but your post is certainly not redundant as I, personally, found new learning opportunities in your comments.

Thank you for your thoughts in general and about my post in particular. 

Anvar
(he/him)

Dear KouroshS

I'd like to know what was disrespectful in my blog?  I just posed a question to make a point.

Islam and Islamic figures are not above other sacred figures and ideals of other religions and States.  Its time that taboo is dealt with, perhaps with a bit more tact than I use.

Bebakhsheenda Faramarz

You say you do not hate islam, But in certain blogs you have taken the liberty of being not too respectful to those who are considered to be saints in islam, The most recent example being your blog about Imam hussain... I mean... what is one to make out of that?

Thank you dear Kourosh S

I believe I couldn't have been more clear that this about my conduct regarding to invite people to keep the civility while they are debating.

Specially, that this is not the first time, I explain my point. God knows how many times, people asked about my motivation and how many times I had explained, the exact same reason.

Having said and repeat them again, I come to the conclusion that only the impartial people are ready to listen to what I say and understand my point. I really let others stay in their doubtful conclusion.

To resume, I will finish with this statement that I have repeated at least a dozen  times before:

- If we see a person or a group being attacked, we have to speak up for them. Trying silently to make an example of the bad manner we see, in order to not doing them, will not get the humanity where it should be.

History proved that all the crimes against the humanity started first by single or isolated attacks toward the people, which have been ignored by the majority. example? The Jews In Germany. another example? The Bahai in Iran.

How many times we have seen Bahai bashing in our life, when we were living in Iran during the Shah's regime? How many times we condemned those action and took defense for the Bahais?

We just saw it as a problem between the extremist Islamist and another religion. As simple as that. Even if we were not agree with what was happening there, but we never lift a finger to stop this. We have acted as the silent majority!

If today the Bahai are so much under pressure in Iran, is partly because of all of us, the indifferent Muslim who didn't think that could be our responsibility to stop those atrocities.Then, by staying silent, we became  part of this shameful situation of today.

I wish I could elaborate more, but honestly I have to finish a big project before Monday. Later on, I will blog about this very important point. Thanks to all who have participated in this debate.

Dear Kourosh: I believe you meant Ms "Niloofar Parsi" and not Ms Rusta (just a minor mistake :))....And thank for your impartiality.

Mr. Bijan - Well Said Sir (IMHO)

"I have seen blogs and featured articles on the front page of Iranian.com that hate feelings of the author oozes out of every corner of the colorful wrapper without a single hateful word in the text."

Mr. Kourosh S

A quick response would be no.  But I do my best to expose the truth about subjects which have been tabooed for open discussion for a very long time.

I do not have a hatred for Islam per se.  I do harbor hatred for how Islam has been a part of Iran, socially, politically and morally.

Points well taken

Mr. Javid, thanks for the advice and your point is very well taken. I am assuming (and hoping) that your blog is only a friendly advice and not a reflection of potential censorship in the making.

 Every individual is unique in the way they express their opinion and how much emotion is embedded in that expression. Anger is probably the most common and normal emotion expressed in any intellectual debate when participants are passionate about their views.  It then becomes a matter of how one can package that emotion before presenting it in a debate.

Some are gifted with the talent of eloquence in writing and are able to put a very beautiful wrapper around their dislike (verging on hate) and presenting it as a civilized and legitimate argument. I have seen blogs and featured articles on the front page of Iranian.com that hate feelings of the author oozes out of every corner of the colorful wrapper without a single hateful word in the text.

 However, there are many who are not as artful in debate and say it like they feel without a wrapper. These expressions of  naked emotions are as valuable as the former, if you focus on the content of their comments. To deny space, or silence this group, even if they resort to profanity (which we all hope they won’t) , amounts to censorship (IMHO).

Having said that, we also witness many bickering, tit-for-tat cat fights in the course of a debate that are totally irrelevant and off the subject of the blog. I’m not sure if there are any ways to respectfully walk these people out of the debate room into the hallway and let them settle their irrelevant cat-fight and then allow them back in the room.

I realize that my post may be redundant in light of what Mr./Ms. Anvar  and also Ms. Parsi have posted earlier, but I just wanted to voice my views as well. I found Anvar’s post extremely relevant and to the point and enjoyed thoroughly reading it. I recommend everyone to read it again. Thanks Anvar and Ms. Parsi.

Regards to all,

Bijan          

KouroshS - I claim no victimization, do you?

"We can never be sure that the opinion we are endeavoring to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still."  ~John Stuart Mill

Capitan Khan

I can 't comment on that. I don't know much about how she does it so i give you the benefit of the doubt.

But i wholeheartedly agree with her that you do need to confront the attacker in the most appropriate manner. It has nothing to do with censorship. Supporting the attackee! may be a good idea but is it going to make the offender stop? or is he or she going to go on and launch attacks on someone else? I know we can not stop people from behaving in certain way by picking fights with them, but we got to do what is right and needs to be done.

Not-Ak69

The populist authoritarianism that is the downside of political correctness means that anyone, sometimes it seems like everyone, can proclaim their grief and have it acknowledged.

Right. Which is what I just did. I acknowledged my grief. 

  The victim culture, every sufferer grasping for their own Holocaust, ensures that anyone who feels offended can call for moderation, for dilution, and in the end, as is all too often the case, for censorship.

Do you feel that you are being victimized here? Oh lord. I am so sorry my friend.  

  And censorship, that by-product of fear - stemming as it does not from some positive agenda, but from the desire to escape our own terrors and superstitions by imposing them on others - must surely be resisted."  ~Jonathon Green

Not any censorhip jonathon jaan or ak-69 or whatever your esme shareef is. HATERS and ANGRY people MUST be stopped in their tract. They need to be censored and cut off from the mainstream of and flow of a discussion for they derail it and add nothing but nonsensical, idiotic and infantile material to it. They poison and destroy the entire purpose of an open discussion and infuse it with dirt and filth.

So in this case censorship is not the by-product of fear, It is a way to purge haters and maintain the theme of a healthy discussion.

Mr. KouroshS

My point is, as they say, there is always more than one way to skin a cat.

Rather than attacking the attacker, it might be more productive to support the attacked, that is if justified. I myself , in many occasions, have done it when I see unjustified and vicious attack on a person.

Generally speaking,  I do agree that Ms. Souri has have all the good intentions, and noble idea of bringing the civility to debates, however I think it MIGHT be her methodology of doing it that causes heartache in her part.

-YT 

KouroshS

"The populist authoritarianism that is the downside of political correctness means that anyone, sometimes it seems like everyone, can proclaim their grief and have it acknowledged.  The victim culture, every sufferer grasping for their own Holocaust, ensures that anyone who feels offended can call for moderation, for dilution, and in the end, as is all too often the case, for censorship.  And censorship, that by-product of fear - stemming as it does not from some positive agenda, but from the desire to escape our own terrors and superstitions by imposing them on others - must surely be resisted."  ~Jonathon Green

Fat Jan

Hell no, I ain't no devout person by any stretch of imagination. Proud? yes I am but proud of being Iranian first and foremost, rest is my private choice. I am not Azari Iranian but Iranian Azari, I am not Muslim Iranian  but Iranian who happens to be Muslim. 

What we see in Iran, is the politicized Islam. Preaching[sermon] in Friday prayer is no different with Sunday Church gathering. All religions have such gathering. You ask me, in this day and age is just absolute waste of time.

As for me, I am YET to attend one, Hala lotfan mochi ke NAgerefti vel kon. ;-o)

-YT 

Faramarz

Jenab

Do you eat , sleep and dream about Hating islam?

What does that have to do with our discussion?:) 

Dear Capt_Ay, moch gereftom

You said to Souri: "I am telling you this in all sincerity dear lady, people, adults as well as even children, do NOT like to be preached at or to be told what to do and what not to do.  So as long as you try and dictate to people what NOT to do, some will take offense to it and hit back."

I sense that you are a proud & devout Muslim.  Isn't preaching the backbone of Islam?  Gathering in Masjids with one person talking and many many listening?  Namaze Jomeh?

Iranian psyche even now is shaped by Islamic preachers called akhoond, mojtahed, ayatollah  etc.   Not ALL Iranians.....but a significant many now, and even many more yester years. 

Captain jan and Princess khanoom

I am sorry for "davidan to bahs with paye berahne"

But i re-read souri khanoom's comment and i think she is right. I think that she is directly talking about the situation where one is being personally attacked not just any situation. She is not advocating of telling people what to do or not to do for that matter, just for the hell of it, but when someone is porro enough to not GET it the first time when they are told about their getting personal with you then what other choice does one have but to kindly remind that person to back off? Or as souri said Put them in their place and show them where they need to go?

Dear friends

 Ms. rusta

on swearing and hate: swearing is not necessarily a sign of hate. we often swear in daily life to vent our anger or to be humorous, but this is not always related to hate. anger is not abnormal, nor is it 'bad'. let's be realistic people: an open discussion forum without some swearing is not really 'open', and then once you start looking for ways of curbing the 'haters', you are on a slippery slope to greater and greater censorship. after all, we are concerned with an issue that is the most hotly debated and controversial one on the planet - with or without merit - and getting emotional is not exactly unexpected.

You can't possibly be serious? Anger is not abnormal??? Don't you think there are a millions of ways to promote and encourage debate without utilizing any swaring? To curb HAters is atotally different concept than getting emotional about whatever topic it is at hand that we are talking about. Haters are essentiallly a nuisance to any discussion forum and their sense of anger and "emotion" is absolutely unjustified.

We can create a much more open forum by expecting everyone to be respectful of others and not be intimidating as to trigger same type of reaction from others. If everyone learns to keep their respect for one another, it will spread like a wild fire and encourages all to react the same way.