Jahanshah Javid

Ms. Souri

You stated[I don't like this and I don't approve it and I alway preach others not to do it. But it seems that in jungle, you have to become either lion or an elephant!]

Yet you say to Ms. Princess that you[ 2) I never dictate to people (what to do) rather I always object to what they do if it is seems to me that they are doing wrong (specially regarding human rights) and I try to say (what NOT to do)]

I am telling you this in all sincerity dear lady, people, adults as well as even children, do NOT like to be preached at or to be told what to do and what not to do.  So as long as you try and dictate to people what NOT to do, some will take offense to it and hit back. That is just the way thing go.As Ms. Princess put it:

Telling people what to do = telling them what not to do.

Regards

-YT 

P/S You even did that to me once, after trying to get my point across to you, I finally gave up and left the thread. But no biggy, since there has been a time that you have, ever so generously, supported me, for which I am grateful to you.

President e Mahboob !!

He is my favorite,can you believe we at this age like our kids' generation music icons??!!

This can happen if you "take a look at yourself in the mirror".

This is for you & our generation's rap lovers:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=diiL9bqvalo

Ebi aka Haaji

I agree...

we should probably stop this conversation here, but let me clarify a few point:

You say: "I never dictate to people (what to do) .... I try to say (what NOT to do)". In telling them what not to do, you ARE telling them what to do.

As for my contribution to Baghenaghe Naghi's blog, I have a completely different reading of it's meaning and it's intentions. I, and probably many other readers, saw how BN tried to get you to see how you might come across to a third party in a comment he made on your own blog, but you immediately shot him down with your curt response. My understanding of his blog was that he was trying to use an anecdote to illustrate an alternative perspective on your conduct. In other words he tried to hold a mirror to you from a bit of a distance in the hope that you might begin to recognise how your behaviour might come across to some other readers. I thought it was a wise move and I said so in my comment. Having said that, Chashm! I will try to examine my motivations. I do not deny the fact that I have found your conduct rather annoying. It was an opportunity to express it without being confrontational.

You brought up the issue of motivation, let's turn to yours. If the purpose of these 'dast beh yakheh shodan ha' is to show people their own place, then come out and say it, but please do not disguise it under the pretext of restoring order and civility to this site. And if latter is your motivation, then with all due respect, who died and made you the law enforcement officer of this site? If in a society, every individual took the law in their own hands and went around trying to enforce it, it would end up in anarchy or in Iranian.com.

Souri Khanoum, few would dispute that you are a very sensitive person. Even fewer would dispute that you clearly take things to heart and as a result suffer enormously. All I am saying is your heart might be in the right place, but your methodology is misguided.

Take care and peace! 

HEIL HITLER

Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself.  It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime.  ~P. Stewart

Princess

Thanks for the input.

1) You got me wrong dear. I asked you if I had a conflict with you, because you said that I was meddling in all the conflicts. So I tried to remember what conflict I could have with you (as I have seen your indirect objection to me a few other times too)  in order to know where and how I might have been wrong and eventually had irritated you. Because contrary to what some people think here, I don't only judge other people, but I do often judge my own behavior too. Nothing to do with "deep suspicion" here. This is your interpretation. You could ask the reason first, before jumping to a conclusion and judgment.

2) I never dictate to people (what to do) rather I always object to what they do if it is seems to me that they are doing wrong (specially regarding human rights) and I try to say (what NOT to do)

3) You said you prefer to analyze what bother you and set an example of the behavior that you don't like, to avoid it. Good for you. But you went to that "Napoleon Complex" blog which was meant to ridicule someone and calling them a short & fat person who has a complex and they called that person names like pig and else. You went there to cheer and approve their action. You have pronounced yourself on that blog, not only once, but also you participated on the topic very actively and fiercely. Do I have to conclude that this action of that group was a good and legitimate one for you to not set an example of bad action for yourself?

You even called yourself among the Silent Majority but I got many emails from an other Silent Majority who were condemning this action.

Please don't get me wrong, I am not blaming you for having said what you said there. In the contrary, I thank you very much, as I need to know what people think about my conduct and my opinion. But what I am saying to you now is : Try to recognize your motivation.

4) You said :

"I don't know about you, but one thing I have learned in life is you can't force people to behave a certain way through picking fights with them."

Agreed %100. That is also what I think, and that's why I always condemn personal attack. You see me as someone who pick fight with the people? Not always. I first state my point of disagreement. But if they come to bully me, specially the macho men who think they can intimidate me à la Iranian-Macho-Man, then they get what they deserve. I show them their own place.

5) At the end, you wished me good luck in my attempt to change the world in a way that doesn't bother me. Thank you. But here again, I believe you got me wrong. Personal attack, atrocity, intimidation and offense, are all the bad behavior, which are condemned by the democratic constitutions around the world. They are considered as an attack to the human values. People have died for this values. Bloods have flowed for this values and finally,  Laws have been established upon this values.

They are not "my values".

They are human values.

Have a good week end you too. I consider myself done with this blog, now. 

Souri

What is with this deep suspicion that if somebody disagrees with you, you must have had a fight with them at some point?

That is precisely my point! No, I have never confronted you because something about your conduct bothered me. I believe in boundaries. I don't believe you can change people by telling them what to do. I would rather watch, analyse what's bothering me about the other person's behaviour and try to avoid repeating that myself. I try to set an example rather than to dictate. I am not saying I am successful at it, but at least that is what I aspire towards.

There are people on this site who are generally respected, and believe me the belligerent ones are not amongst them. (By the way, I am not singling you out, there are a few other characters on this site.) They might have their cheer leaders, but they are not respected.

I don't know about you, but one thing I have learned in life is you can't force people to behave a certain way through picking fights with them. 

I think I have made my point. I wish you all the best in your quest to control the conduct of the users of this site. Good luck with your attempt to force the world to behave in such a way that it doesn't bother you. 

Have a good weekend! 

Salam doostan

been away for a while, though i have been checking the front page fairly regularly. in my opinion, the removal of anonymous comments was a step backward. it used to be more fun reading 'faceless' comments that were expressed from the heart with the protection of anonymity and tinged with humour. it is not limited to iranians alone, but we really need this protection from the iranian regime and ideological fundamentalists of all kinds and also from the likes of mossad or cia. and the more we commit to political blogging and activism, the more we are at risk of being targeted or monitored.

on swearing and hate: swearing is not necessarily a sign of hate. we often swear in daily life to vent our anger or to be humorous, but this is not always related to hate. anger is not abnormal, nor is it 'bad'. let's be realistic people: an open discussion forum without some swearing is not really 'open', and then once you start looking for ways of curbing the 'haters', you are on a slippery slope to greater and greater censorship. after all, we are concerned with an issue that is the most hotly debated and controversial one on the planet - with or without merit - and getting emotional is not exactly unexpected.

or we could look at the model of academic sites that are not only filled with self-censorship and guidance 'from above', they are also suffocated by jargon and jingoism masked as 'intellectual discourse'. worse still, they are filled with regurgitated 'same olds' dressed up as new 'analysis'.

so let's not get too worried about the state of affairs, though i absolutely agree with all those who want less hate and swearing on the site. that is always a good idea, and i for one am constantly trying to learn how to talk to people more effectively and politely. it is a difficult and never-ending learning process.

Peace 

The Mrs.

I am sorry but is this post addressed to me?:)

All I'm saying is that you're in a place talking to people called shepesh, jeesh daram, khar, kharmagass, james bund and so on. So I think you shouldn't take things so seriously. Not that I disrespect any of those names or people. And I'm not saying worth while discussion can't take place here. But I think if you take things too seriously and start participating, it's probably worse. Trust me, no one here is going to save the world. It's not as important as it seems.

Speaking of IDs, where the heck is chertopert police sorry but is this post addressed to me?:)

Thanks for the article!

Thanks for the article! Hopefully I won't get angry too easily or too frequently. I saw a video from Akon below my post. 

    Here is my most favorite song by Akon:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrKNYtyT1LA&feature=channel_page

I like the melody very very much, but I am not sure if there are improper words in the lyrics.... sorry for sidetracking a little.

TheMrs Khanoum

Don't your ever mention my name in the same line as that Khar-Mag-Ass, :o))

Just to lighten things up a bit here's one of my favorite songs, turn up the volume and go with it. I guaranty this song sticks to your mind for at least 24 hours, you’ll catch yourself singing it, you'll see :o)  

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZHx6-skK7k

So, what about the poor truth?

mg

Sometimes, just sometimes, a vulgar language is miraculously effective in revealing the truth which is always hidden in a tight corner of a vast subject.

All I'm saying is that

All I'm saying is that you're in a place talking to people called shepesh, jeesh daram, khar, kharmagass, james bund and so on. So I think you shouldn't take things so seriously. Not that I disrespect any of those names or people. And I'm not saying worth while discussion can't take place here. But I think if you take things too seriously and start participating, it's probably worse. Trust me, no one here is going to save the world. It's not as important as it seems.

Speaking of IDs, where the heck is chertopert police?

AO

and looked in the mirror...I look damn good...nothing wrong...

Begoo Mashalla, Ommatie cheshmet nazaneh  8<)

Cheers!!!

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

Speak Now, Or Forever STFU [emom khomeini]

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too.  ~Voltaire

We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our peril, risk and hazard.  ~Voltaire

I took your advice

and looked in the mirror...I look damn good...nothing wrong...

Sorry, this may look like comment spam but I think it is needed

My mission today is to find blogs that have many negative comments and insert the following:

Cease Fire until Sunday

Maybe as we approach Iranian.com Musical concert, everyone should refrain from negative comments.  We may have to say hi or even sit next to each other.  If the negativity is high today and tomorrow, then that would be awkward.

Talk about...

Seriously bottled  up anger and frustration. My God.

Let it out now, let it out...

Pursuant to my previous 3 comments....

and in lieu of excess time at hand, and in accordance with my mood I will entertain this nonsense thread further to indulge JJ's fine attempt at increasing click frequency...

As of last July there is scientific evidence that fuck you, fuck the fucking fuckers, Shirley was fucked at the used car dealer, or just plain old oh fuck are good for you and reduce stress level particularly those who were born frustrated and angry, grew up to become dissatisfied and angry, are pissed off for being born in the convoluted word we live in, have been sentenced to being who they are, or are plain pissed off for no good reason. You may yet get the last laugh: //www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/20090713/go-ahead-and-curse-it-may-ease-your-pain

Meanwhile, you call it tomato and I call it tomaito. With everything going on in this fucked up planet, the least we can do is be kind regardless of language, culture or attitude. In that sprit fucking with each others' brain is cool as long as it is not mean spirited. So I love you when I pleasantly say fuck you.

PS: in spirit of cordiality and per my anti-gang up policy I won't pick on Souri but man I have to admit that is one appealing target (warning: this may be a trap).

commenting on this site...

should not replace personal therapeutic work with a professional! It sure is cheaper and more convenient, but it's not the REAL thing! 

...

آدمی را آدمیت لازم است

Framed perceptions?

Well excuse me if i ido not comprehend your brilliance intelligently disguised under the banner of "humor".

I am so sorry:((

a little foozooli regarding ESL101

Cyrus khaneh ba savad, I just saw this gem from you so I couldn't help jumping in, and don't get mad at me because that's my job!loooooooooooool

"may I recommand you an ESL 101 ?"

First: it's recommend

Second: you recommend something to someone

God knows you desperately need it just looking at your poor grammer

and vocabulary.

it's spelled "grammar" and the sentence is also malformed.

What was that saying about people who live in glass houses... 

Dear Kouroshs did you read/listen or just reacted to F

It is clear that the humor of my comment was lost on you and could not overcome your framed perceptions.

Oktaby

profanity is profanity no matter how you justify it.  Using the word FUCK is down right  insulting and abusive and it is not even close to other ways of offending others.

If you are dying to say it just let it out but do not insult intelligence by justifying it.

SSII who exactly am I kisseh keshi

SamIamII....Don't worry about my English....I get by.   Some of us like you write at the level of world renowned English writers....some at 3rd grade level.  I have compiled an anthology of your writings and submitted it to the Smithsonian; as example of superb writing for future generations to enjoy and learn from.

If you can take time from your super busy schedule, tell me (or I guess us) who exactly am I kisseh keshi for?  and to what end?

Do you think Faramarz Fateh is my real name?  And I am marketing it for some sort of gain by writing on i.com?  Or do you think I am getting paid?  Or is it that you think I am an agent of IRI ?

Whats your beef buddy? 

I am leaving.......

Listen I am doing my "Make up" to leave home now.

By respect for the staff who are now very busy to prepare the music festival and can't stay here to watch your profanities all the time, I will leave this thread and do not respond to any comment for a while.

The space will be free for you.

Farsi:

Harcheghar delet mikhad jowlan bedeh !

SOURI

may I recommand you an ESL 101 ?

God knows you desperately need it just looking at your poor grammer

and vocabulary.

farsi ham mishe nevesht ke aberooye adam nareh. LOL

proof positive

Lady is way too Angry and super [duper with extra mayo] sensitive at the same time.

Cheers melat love you all be khoda ha !

-YT 

Capt-

Yes, I attack the people who are attacking others with offensive words.

You were not in this site, at the beginning, when I had to confront vulgarity in a very hard shape. I went even trough profanities and bad form exchanges with Samsam, Redwine and a few others.

They are now, my friends. Each of us, learned to modify our views. Some people learn, some others ........well!

Yes, I do attack and if I have to confront people at their same way of fighting, I will. If they don't understand any other vocabulary than their own's, I will talk their language!

I don't like this and I don't approve it and I alway preach others not to do it. But it seems that in jungle, you have to become either lion or an elephant!

the freelance journalism! (to JJ)

JJ, ...., it is a well known secret that the master of personal attacks and direct use of profanity in this site is the most vocal Aristocrat (and Monarchist), ..., additionally if I am not mistaken he is a freelance journalist!

Now, considering that many of us are neither Aristocrats nor journalists (this hagheer is a lower class engineer) we are doing very well, don't you think so?