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Dear PC: You're most

Dear PC: You're most welcoem.

Check out the latest propagnda by Islamists, mainly designed for the American audience.

Read the comments too. They are very informative.

//iranian.com/main/singlepage/2008/though...

Dualie

Thanks for the explanation :)

I also agree that one must

I also agree that one must not live in the past, and also agree that we should never forget our history, and also the history of other people and nations.

Of the many hundreds, that came from Iran and since antiquity also exists in Iran,
Monotheism, despite the very strong attempt by the biased and orthodox sector from another respected religion to portray and present otherwise internationally, came from Iran (Zoroastrianism),
nationhood (the first nation),

the importance of human rights and respecting other peoples' choices, tradition & customs,languages, beliefs, and way of life,

the importance of knowledge (many hundreds of years before Greece), reference Avesta

the importance and building of infra-structure (international trade roads), etc.

"I'm just wondering what it is about Iranian culture that has so many Iranians embracing what is ancient history".

Not much is taught in American highschools and univeristies about Iran, and the very little that is mentioned is very heavily Occidental-Oriental based & biased. That's why you don't even know 1/100th of it. You were taught in school that Greece and Rome were very advanced, very civilized, and that they were primarily democracies, and that Iran was barbaric, savage, and primitive, enough said.

* This comment is strongly against "doom and gloom" for any country and people.

Just Imagine

Dear Craig: Imagine if Bush had called the White House or Washington's or Jefferson's Monuments in DC, throne of hatred and slavery....

This is what the Surpreme Leader of Islamic Republic said recently in a speech in Shiraz, near Persepolis:

Ayatollah Khamenie: "Persapolis Is a Throne of Hatred!"
The latest anti-Iranian drivel by the Supreme Leader of Ignorance, Ayatollah Khamenie. This is akin to Americans in 2000 years from now slamming the forefathers of the greates democracy on earth.

"This is a partial translation of Khameni’s latest anti Iranian diatribe in Fars province as recorded by ISNA, Iranian Students News Agency:

The leader of Islamic Republic of Iran, on Wednesday morning and during a gathering with Fars province’s governor and authorities declared that Persepolis or Takht-e-Jamshid is the symbol of tyranny and that it belongs to Iran’s pre Islamic Revolution’s tyrannical rulers and it’s merely a symbol of despotism of the past and it’s a throne of hatred for all true Iranian Moslems who will have to gaze upon its site! If at any point there were any doubts about Islamic Republic’s disdain for Iranians, their culture and their heritage, this should now be adequate proof.Additionally, Khamenei said that the achievements, art and literature of Iran only came to matter after the advent of Islam and Iranians' conversion to the good religion!"

//arashsahami.blogspot.com/

Dear PC

PC: Iranains (not tazis) feel attacked on so many fronts:

1. The anti-Iranian Islamic Republic, which is hell bent on destroying any vestiges of our ancient legacy. For example, the destruction of Pasargad, trying to ban our New Year and our ancient Holidays; Systemic infusing evermore Arabic language into Persian--Some of us who studied in Iran before the revolution can no longer recognize or understand the "new Arabized" Persian language. It's so humiliating and it breaks our hearts. I for one feel sick to my stomach everytime I read this new Persian. I fear if the Islamic Republic continues to rule Iranian, the Persian languge will be lost in less than 30 years. It's a death of a nation and we are all unconciously mourning it. More examples are abound...selling out of our natural resources (the ownership of the Caspian sea) to Russia for pennies and so on.

2. Fear of being attacked by the US or Israel.

3. Being demonized and lumped together with Islamists and Arabs, which is far from the truth. Iranians in general don't define themselves in terms of their religion unlike the Arabs. Haing been ruled by undemocratic rulers for centuries, unlike Americans, Persian don't equate 'government' of a country with its people.

3. Having to counter revisionist historians implanted in the West; in other words, Constant cyber propaganda by the Islamist agents abroad who want to brainwash the Iranian-American youth and the American "useful idiots" by distorting the history of Iranian civilization via front organization under the guies of "cultural exchange" or other fake NGO's, and so on...

There are more reasons that I can't think of right now. I hope this clarifies our "seeming" obsession with the past...

PS to Dualie

I don't mean to insult Persian or Iranian history, or imply Iranians don't have a right to be proud of it! Sorry if I'm coming across that way. I'm just wondering what it is about Iranian culture that has so many Iranians embracing what is ancient history.

And that relates soemwhat to what this post was about also. Why are Iranian-Americans the only ones with an ancient hstory they can be proud of? Virtually all Americans come from other cultures. my ex-wife is from China, for instance. When an Iranian-American claims that the Americans have no history but implies Americans from Iran do, that is kinda insulting to every American whose family comes from countries other than Iran, isn't it?

Dualie

Craig: You resent the fact that Iran was a Cradel of civilization and a
first democratic (not jeffersonian, of course) one at that.

No, I question why Iranians claim the glories of an ancient and dead civilization as their own. Nobody else I know of does that. Can you tell em who does, if I'm wrong? There is no contiguous history between today's Iran and ancient Persia.Theer is also no commonality of culture. There have been several complete breaks with teh past, some of them quite long ago.

Just out of curiousity, on what do you base your claims that persia had the first democracy (of any sort) ?

Dear Craig:

Craig: You resent the fact that Iran was a Cradel of civilization and a first democratic (not jeffersonian, of course) one at that. Is there a particular reason for this peculiar grudge??

Which Empire can claim they were the first author's of Human Rights? Which Empire can claim that the liberated the Jews from slavery?? You really need to educate yourself about the Persian Empire.

I highly recommend the book by Abbas Milani, "Lost Wisdom".

//www.amazon.com/Lost-Wisdom-Rethinking-Moder...

Iran is going through one of its darkest eras. However, this is not the first time that the Islamists in Iran have tried to cultural cleanse (Islamacize) the Iranian nation. They have failed in the past and they will fail again. This is probably the Tazis 4th or 5th attempt to Kill Iran. Someone with a much better knowledge of history than I should shed some light on that.

Kurush

You are not supposed to know. Because if you did, then the illusion of
western superiorty will be shattered, and then you might have funny
ideas that you may become great again.

See? that goes to what I was saying... Rome was not "western". Rome predates the concept of Western Civilization. The Romans brutalized Weestern Europe, and it was Western Europeans who destroyed the Roman Empire in the end. This statement would seem bizarre to anyone who has studied even grade schhool level European history.

Jalil Bahar

The greatness of Nations is not determined by one or ten generations.
The greatness of nations is determined much longer term perspectives –
over the many millennia of human existence – through their
contributions to humanity.

And how old is Iran? Realistically speaking? Why do we never hear of Egyptians, claiming the glories of ancient Egypt as their own? Or Greeks claiming the Golden Age of Greece? Or Italians, claiming the glories of Rome? Or Arabs, speaking of ancient Babylon? Why is it only Iranians who feel they have a contiguous history spanning 6000 years? Doesn't that seem at all irrational? What do pychologists say about people who live in the past, rather than the present? Well... be that as it may... I don't shareyour pessimism about America's future. There are only ~100,000,000 people in all of Mexico, for instance. If every single Mexican on teh planet came to the US, they still wouldn't be a majority of the population here. As to your claims about the US falling on hard times economically, it isn't the first time. And we were a great nation even before we had such a massive economy. Same same for the violence... you never watched a Western? lol. Violence isn't something new to American culture.

I'm *shrugging* at your doom and gloom for America. I ahve to say I'm not liking the odds for the continued survival of humanity. But then I've felt that way for as long as I can remember. There are too many nukes and too many bad actors that possess them. It is only a matter of time. but we have a duty to delay the inevitable as long as possible, right?

I don't dislike your post, it just seems you wnet a bit too far with both the glorification of Iranian history and the denigration of the US.

Bahar: this one;;

Bahar's analyses are factually correct, the synthesis of disparate parts is falwed as well as the conclusion, however. To colonize a nation, the colonizer would have to colonize the mind of that nation. Hence, the name game which is indicative of inferirority complex: one succumbs to the rhetoric that America or the west is great, although scrutiny will belie this mindset. Mutual ignorance plays into this. The Iranian knows nothing of Shapur, or Khosrow or other ancient Iranian kings, nor does the American nor other westerners for that matter. Why would you want to know that Emperor Adrian, a Roman emperor, was taken as prisoner of war by a mighty persian king? Why would you want to know that a Roman Emperor, such as Julian, was slain by the persians and his massive army defeated? You are not supposed to know. Because if you did, then the illusion of western superiorty will be shattered, and then you might have funny ideas that you may become great again. But medals will no nation great make! East Germany a few decades ago captured most of swimming medals. But where is East Germany today?! With a continent stolen from native people (by genocide no less), and first wealth ill-gotten by slavery, with nuclear bombings of civilians of two Japanese cities, America has a crisis of conscience. But what makes Iran great? Plato has the answer. In admonishing the Greek youths, he used the upbringing of the persian youths who were taught to ride horse and the use of arms very early, even before they could talk! Iran has always had a strong clergy, zoroastrian or moslem, and they did not bring dark ages. I have to disagree. What brings the dark ages is when we fail to learn a virtue early on, be it riding a horse or mastering an art or a craft.

First step first

by Killjoy (not verified) on Tue Aug 19, 2008 09:18 PM CDT

But HOW?

The answer is very simple. First, those proud and educated who come here and boast of their unyielding support of the Mullah. They need to see the light through the lenses of those oppressed in Iran, and instead voice their opposition from inside. 

Dr. Jalili,

But HOW?

We all have either experienced or read and heard about the brutalities of the regime since day one of its tyrannical rule. The question is, with the persisiting differences among opposition forces how can Iran be taken back from the Ruling Terrorists in Tehran?

You're right

We have to take the country back! We've got to take the country from the Mullahs - it simply must happen. This is all too humiliating. They do not represent any of us!

True to that famous axiom.

You know, we have a very famous axiom which goes like.

"I may not know you, who you  are and what is your value system. BUT, if you show me your leaders, and associates, I will tell you EXACTLY who you are".

Who the hell in his right mine would be proud to be represented by bunch primitives like these Mullahs. Unfortunately,  it is the Iranian themselves who don't rise and speak up against their despotic regime.

Since that dreaded April 1979, Iran's face in the eyes of the rest of the world is not its glorious heritage civil society as bastion of modern societies. One time a center of cultural and development. It is not known for its world famous Rugs, nor its Persian past. rather it is know by the face of idiots like a little midget who is appropriately should be called akh-mage'-nedjat, and its backward akhoonda who are proud for taking Iran back to the 7th century.

It is obvious that any educated Iranian inside or out of the country is ashamed to be associated with these regime. 

Blame Israel for your poverty?

by Mehdi on Tue Aug 19, 2008 02:54 PM CDT

If they didn't constantly keep
middle eastern nations in turmoil, through their Mosad operatives,
things could finally improve in that area. But a bunch of ZioNazis have
so much greed, there is no end to it.

What a moron. If Israel wouldn't have been around, your leaders would sure have invented one.

Why don't you blame Israel for Sun rising too soon on your freaking hometown, so the man could have more time to use their liitle heads, to make sure their 4 wives remain fullt stocked with the most abandon commodity in Iran - children.

Conflict between Arabs and farsis, Sunni-Shi'ite blood feud have existed long before Israel was even dreamed of. If people throughout the ME can't get their shit together, learn to settle their differences through dialog and tolerance, why blame others?. 

EXCUSES DON'T SOLVE PROBLEMS, SOLUTION DO. AND ISRAEL IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM

Stupid and nonsense comments like these give honest Iranians the bad rap.

Islamists and their leftist

Islamists and their leftist allies spend money on one thing only: How to create terrorism and chaos in the world.

I blame Israel for it

If they didn't constantly keep middle eastern nations in turmoil, through their Mosad operatives, things could finally improve in that area. But a bunch of ZioNazis have so much greed, there is no end to it.

Mr. Bahar, you're absolutely

Mr. Bahar, you're absolutely right. The IRI has brought us and the world nothing but disaster, shame and terror.