Be very afraid: Islam's plan for you, part II


Kouroush Sassanian
by Kouroush Sassanian

Every wonder why Islam/muslims have little regard for life, well, here you are! Ever wonder why so many Persians were slaughtered by the Arab Muslim armies! They were called upon by Mohammad to do so!

Tabari IX:69 "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us." Tabari VIII:141 "The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: 'Kill! Kill! Kill!'" Bukhari:V5B59N512 "The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive." Ishaq:489 "Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing." Qur'an 2:191 "And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter." Qur'an 33:60 "Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy - a fierce slaughter - murdered, a horrible murdering." Bukhari:V4B52N270 "Allah's Messenger said, 'Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.' Maslama got up saying, 'Would you like me to kill him?' The Prophet proclaimed, 'Yes.' Maslama said, 'Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.' Muhammad said, 'You may do so.'" Ishaq:368 "Ka'b's body was left prostrate [humbled in submission]. After his fall, all of the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad's order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Traveling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet." Tabari VII:97
Ishaq:368 "We carried Ka'b's head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah's enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf's head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah's Cause. Our attack upon Allah's enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.'" Tabari VII:97 "The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, 'Kill any Jew who falls under your power.'" Ishaq:369 "Thereupon Mas'ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim's brother complained, saying, 'Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.' Mas'ud answered, 'By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.' Wherein the brother said, 'Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!' And he accepted Islam." Bukhari:V1B1N6 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country." Ishaq: 676 "'You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?' Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, 'Will no one rid me of this woman?' Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet's wishes. That very night he crept into the writer's home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, 'You have helped Allah and His Apostle.' Umayr said. 'She had five sons; should I feel guilty?' 'No,' the Prophet answered. 'Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.'" Bukhari:V1B11N626 "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.'" Tabari VIII:178
Ishaq:550 "Muhammad ordered that certain men should be assassinated even if they were found behind the curtains of the Ka'aba. Among them was Abdallah bin Sa'd [the Qur'an's one and only scribe]. The reason that Allah's Messenger ordered that he should be slain was because he had become a Muslim and used to write down Qur'an Revelation. Then he apostatized [rejected Islam]." Tabari VIII:179 "Abdallah bin Sa'd fled to Uthman, his brother, who after hiding him, finally surrendered him to the Prophet. Uthman asked for clemency. Muhammad did not respond, remaining silent for a long time. Muhammad explained, 'By Allah, I kept silent so that one of you might go up to him and cut off his head!' One of the Ansar said, 'Why didn't you give me a sign?' Allah's Apostle replied, 'A prophet does not kill by pointing.'" Tabari VIII:179
Ishaq:550 "Among those who Muhammad ordered killed was Abdallah bin Khatal. The Messenger ordered him to be slain because while he was a Muslim, Muhammad had sent him to collect the zakat tax with an Ansar and a slave of his.... His girls used to sing a satire about Muhammad so the Prophet ordered that they should be killed along with Abdullah. He was killed by Sa'id and Abu Barzah. The two shared in his blood. One of the singing girls was killed quickly but the other fled. So Umar caused his horse to trample the one who fled, killing her." Ishaq:551 "Another victim was Huwayrith. He used to insult Muhammad in Mecca. Huwayrith was put to death by Ali. The Messenger ordered Miqyas' assassination only because he had killed an Ansar who had killed his brother by mistake and then became a renegade by rejecting Islam." Tabari VIII:180 "Also among those eliminated were Ikrimah bin Abu Jahl and Sarah, a slave of one of Abd Muttalib's sons. She taunted Muhammad while he was in Mecca." Tabari VIII:181 "The Messenger ordered six men and four women to be assassinated. One of these women was Hind, who swore allegiance and became a Muslim." Bukhari:V4B52N281 "They took Khubaib to Mecca after the battle of Badr. He had killed Harith, a Meccan nobleman. The Quraysh gathered to kill him in retribution.... Khubaib wanted to offer two Rakat (prayers). They allowed this and he said, 'O Allah, kill them all with no exception.' He then recited the poetic verse: 'I'm being martyred as a Muslim. I do not mind how I am killed in Allah's Cause. For my killing is for Allah's Sake. If Allah wishes, He will bless the amputated parts of my torn body.' Then the son of Harith [the man Khubaib had murdered] killed him." Ishaq:597 "When the Apostle returned to Medina after his raid on Ta'if, word spread that he had killed some of the men who had satirized and insulted him. The poets who were left spread in all directions." Tabari IX:76 "Malik has reported to me that you were the first from Himyar to embrace Islam and that you have killed infidels, so rejoice at your good fortune." Tabari IX:121 "When it was feasible for me, I struck him with my sword and killed him. Then I departed, leaving his women to throw themselves at him. When I returned to the Prophet, he asked, 'Is your mission accomplished?' 'Yes. I have killed him.'" Ishaq:308
Tabari VII:65 "When the Apostle was in Safra, Nadr was assassinated. When Muhammad reached Irq al-Zabyah he killed Uqbah. When the Prophet ordered him to be killed, Uqbah said, 'Who will look after my children, Muhammad?' "Hellfire,' the Apostle replied, and he was killed." Tabari VII:85 "Muhammad killed many Quraysh polytheists at Badr." Tabari VII:99 "In this year, the killing of Abu Rafi the Jew took place. The Messenger sent some Ansar under the command of Abd Allah and Abd Allah against the Jew. Abu Rafi used to injure and wrong the Prophet.... Abd Allah said to the others, 'Stay where you are, and I will go and ingratiate myself with the doorkeeper to gain entrance.'" Tabari VII:100 "Every time I opened a door, I shut it behind me from the inside, saying to myself, 'If they become aware, they will not have time to stop me from killing him.' When I reached Rafi, he was in a dark room with his family. As I did not know where he was in the room, I said, 'O Abu Rafi.' When he replied, I proceeded toward the voice and gave him a blow with my sword. He shouted and I came back, pretending to be a helper. I said, 'O Abu,' changing the tone of my voice. He asked me, 'I don't know who came to strike me with his sword.' Then I drove my sword into his belly and pushed it forcibly till it touched the bone. I hit him again and covered him with wounds, but I could not kill him, so I thrust the point of my sword into his stomach until it came out through his back. At that, I knew that I had killed him [in front of his wife and children]. I came out, filled with puzzlement, and went towards a ladder in order to get down but I fell into a moonlit night and sprained my foot. I bound it with my turban and moved on. I came to my companions and said, 'By Allah, I will not leave till I hear the wailing of their women.' So, I did not move till I heard them crying for the Jewish merchant. I said, 'Deliverance! Allah has killed Abu Rafi.' I got up, feeling no ailment, and proceeded till we came upon the Prophet and informed him." Tabari VII:101 "The Khazraj asked the Prophet for permission to kill Sallam Huqayq, who was in Khaybar. He granted this." Ishaq:482 "One of the favors which Allah conferred upon his Prophet was that these two tribes of the Ansar, the Aws and the Khazraj, used to vie with one another like stallions to carry out the will of Muhammad. The Aws did not do anything which benefited him without the Khazraj saying, 'By Allah they will not gain superiority over us in Islam in the eyes of the Messenger by doing this.' And they would not cease until they had done something similar. Thus when the Aws killed Ka'b Ashraf on account of his hostility to Muhammad, the Khazraj conferred to find a man comparable to Ka'b in hostility and called to mind Sallam Huqayq in Khaybar. They asked the Prophet for permission to kill him, and it was granted." Tabari VII:101
Ishaq:483 "Sallam's wife came out and we told her that we were Arabs in search of supplies. When we entered, we bolted the door on her so she gave a shout to warn him of our presence. We rushed upon him with our swords as he lay in his bed. He took his pillow and tried to fend us off. Abd Allah thrust his sword into his stomach and transfixed him while he was shouting, 'Enough! Enough!' At once we went out but Abd Allah had bad eyesight, and he fell off the stairway, bruising his leg or arm. 'How shall we know that the enemy of Allah is dead?' one of us asked. 'I will go and look,' one replied. He set off and mingled with the people. He said, 'I found him with the men of the Jews, and with his wife, who had a lamp in her hand, peering into his face. She said, 'By the God of the Jews, he is dead.' I never heard any more pleasing words than these. We went to the Messenger of Allah and told him that we had killed the enemy of Allah. We disagreed in his presence about the killing of Sallam, each of us claiming to have done it. The Prophet said, 'Bring me your swords.' We did and he looked at them. He said, 'This sword of Abd Allah killed him. I can see the marks left by bones on it.'" Ishaq:483 "Allah, what a fine band you have, one willing to kill Sallam and Ashraf! We went with sharp swords, like fighting lions. We came upon their homes and made them drink death with our swift-slaying swords. Looking for the victory of our Prophet's religion, we ignored every risk." Tabari VII:112
Ishaq:372 "When a blind Jew became aware of the presence of the Messenger and the Muslims he rose and threw dust in their faces, saying, 'Even if you are a prophet, I will not allow you into my garden!' I was told that he took a handful of dirt and said, 'If only I knew that I would not hit anyone else, Muhammad, I would throw it in your face.' Sa'd rushed in and hit him on the head with his bow and split the Jew's head open." Ishaq:403 "Allah killed twenty-two polytheists at Uhud." Tabari VII:147 "Amr was sent by Muhammad to kill Abu Sufyan [the Quraysh leader and merchant]. The Prophet said, 'Go to Abu Sufyan and kill him.' ...When I entered Mecca I had a dagger ready to slay anybody who laid hold of me. My Ansar companion asked, 'Should we start by circumambulating the Ka'aba seven times and praying two rak'ahs?' I said, 'I know the Meccans better than you do.' But he kept pestering me until in the end we went to the Ka'aba, circumambulated it seven times, and prayed." Tabari VII:148 "One of the Meccans recognized me and shouted, 'That is Amr!' They rushed after us, saying, 'By Allah, Amr has not come here for any good purpose! He has come for some evil reason.' Amr had been a cutthroat and a desperado before accepting Islam." Tabari VII:148 "Amr said, 'Let's wait here until the cry has died down. They are sure to hunt for us tonight and tomorrow. I was still in the cave when Uthman bin Malik came riding proudly on his horse. He reached the entrance to our cave and I said to my Ansar companion, 'If he sees us, he will tell everyone in Mecca.' So I went out and stabbed him with my dagger. He gave a shout and the Meccans came to him while I went back to my hiding place. Finding him at the point of death, they said, 'By Allah we knew that Amr came for no good purpose.' The death of their companion impeded their search for us, for they carried him away." Tabari VII:149 "I went into a cave with my bow and arrows. While I was in it, a one-eyed man from the Banu Bakr came in driving some sheep. He said, 'Who's there?' I said [lied], 'I'm a Banu Bakr.' 'So am I.' Then he laid down next to me, and raised his voice in song: 'I will not believe in the faith of the Muslims.' I said, 'You will soon see!' Before long the Bedouin went to sleep and started snoring. So I killed him in the most dreadful way that anybody has ever killed. I leant over him, struck the end of my bow into his good eye, and thrust it down until it came out the back of his neck. After that I rushed out like a wild beast and took flight. I came to the village of Naqi and recognized two Meccan spies. I called for them to surrender. They said no so I shot and arrow and killed one, and then I tied the other up and took him to Muhammad." Tabari VII:150 "I had tied my prisoner's thumbs together with my bowstring. The Messenger of Allah looked at him and laughed so that his back teeth could be seen. Then he questioned me and I told him what had happened. 'Well done!' he said, and prayed for me to be blessed." Ishaq:434 "Amr and an Ansari waited until they were asleep. Then Amr killed them, thinking that he had taken vengeance for the Muslims who had been slain. When he came to the Messenger, he told him what had happened. The Prophet said, 'You have killed men for whom I shall have to pay blood-money.'" Tabari VIII:22 "Hassan was with the women and children. A Jew passed by and began to walk around his settlement. There was no one to protect them while the Apostle and his Companions were at the Meccans' throats. So I said: 'Hassan, this Jew is walking around. I fear he will point out our weakness while the Muslims are too busy to attend to us. So go down to him and kill him." Tabari VIII:22
Ishaq:458 "'Allah forgive you, daughter of Abd al-Muttalib,' Hassan said. 'You know that I am not the man to do it.' When he said that to me I saw that nothing could be expected from him. I girded myself, took a club, and, having gone down from the fortress to the man, I struck him with the club until I killed him. When I had finished with him, I returned to the fortress and said, 'Hassan, go down to him and strip him - only his being a man kept me from taking his clothes.' Hassan replied, 'I have no need for his spoils.'" Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men." Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence." Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims." Tabari VIII:90 "Abu Basir went out with his companions. When they stopped to rest he asked one of them, 'Is this sword of yours sharp?' 'Yes,' he replied. 'May I look at it?' Basir asked. 'If you wish.' Basir unsheathed the sword, attacked the man, and killed him. The other Muslim ran back to the Messenger, saying, 'Your Companion has killed my friend.' While the man was still there, Abu Basir appeared girded with the sword. He halted before Muhammad and said, 'Messenger, your obligation has been discharged.'"

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Kouroush: A Word of Advice

by 007 (not verified) on

I have been reading a great deal of articles and blogs today, and everywhere I go, there is a reference to you, and the various aliases and names that you perhaps use.

I don't know whether you have noticed this or not, but everytime time that you get unusually toxic, such messages about you crop up throughout the site.

I believe that there is a fundamental problem in the manner in which you are expressing your point of view. I mean that there are others who may have similar point of view to yours, but because their manner of expression is more moderated, they manage to express them more "effectively".

I don't know whether you have noticed this or not, but these people who follow you, and let people know about your background, and your aliases, have essentially "neutralized" you. Eveybody throughout the site knows who you are, and are fairly familiar with the various aliases that you may use.

Today I read several comments by Nader Vanaki, Ahmad Bahai, Anonymous2008, and other aliases that people say you use. Some of them are unusually harsh and cruel. As others have said, it is very much like spewing venum.

If you are truly a smart person as you claim to be, then you would modify your approach in such a way that people wouldn't come after you, and neutralize you as they so far have. Remember, if you can not get your point of view across, it is very much like being silent.


To All those Who Read My Comments

by Kouroush Sassanian (not verified) on

I want to make sure that you fully understand what my background is:

I was devoted to Mammad Reza Shah Pahlavi. Also, I am a Zartoshti, and when I was growing up, I grew up among the Jewish people.

Consequently, I developed strong negative feelings towards Islam.

Please remeber that when you are reading my comments in this blog. Thanks

P.S. I also use multiple names throughout this site. Names such as Ahmad Bahai, Anonymouspb, Anonymous2008, babakoohi, Kos Sher, and most recently, Nader Vanaki, and Kafka.

I'll keep you posted of new ones if I use them.


All your quotes are Sunni quotes

by John Carpenter (not verified) on

The quotes you take are from sunni authors.

Tabari and the rest are highly disregarded by shias.

The hadiths of Bukhari, Muslim have good and weak hadiths.

It can be said you did do a lot of research but,

after the Caliph Hassan ibn Ali ibn Abu Talib (Grand son of the Prophet), the muslim community fell to the Umayad dynasty which was an un-islamic dictatorship. Muawiyah was it's first Caliph/king.


You are welcome...

by Nadias on

I learned the hard way too. :o) Sometimes the best lessons learned are through experience.

paz y amistad



Thank you Nadia/Rosie T....They were attached as REPLY.

by LostIdentity (not verified) on


Rosie T.


by Rosie T. on

Nadia is right. Weighing and balancing the pros and cons, when you're writing something important in reply it's better NOT to click on REPLY because even if the message you're replying TO sounds like Mother Theresa wrote it, it might be ORIGINALLY attached to something offensive that gets deleted, and the WHOLE STRING of replies goes with it. Live and learn.


I agree with you Anon

by Zion on

I only respond to you since it seems you are partly referring to my comments. As I have stated before, indeed the reason for all the discussion is that Islamists do not agree with us and the bulk of the muslim world is condescending, either because it approves it or it can't oppose it really. Why not? Because of Islamic tradition itself which has always been power hungry and political. The Islamists have the tradition of Muhammad and what followed him on their side. I also agree with you about the chaotic and inconsistent nature of the Koran. As I have repeatedly said before, ever increasing evidence is showing us today that Koran is an amalgam of Christian hymns, heretic beliefs, some Talmudic and Zoroastrian teachings  and a lot of arab internal war related issues, amassed through different times by people unknown. The point however is that the Koran is really a pre-islamic text. It serves as the foundation of what later became Islam, but itself is pre-islamic. The issue is Islam, how it relies on this text, and how it has come to interpret it, what constitutes its dogmas and traditions. That is quite uniform and not so open to various interpretations, and that is also the source of the trouble. The way out is to demystify it, use its onw logic to show its inhumanity and to separate the historical and human compilation of Koran and its sources from the outrageous and ridiculous claims of divinity that Islamic tradition ascribes to it. 

I am merely reasoning their own way to show what it really looks like, how inhuman and indefensible it really is.  

Kouroush Sassanian

TO: Bijanam

by Kouroush Sassanian on



LostIdentity were your posts

by Nadias on

attached to any other comments on the thread or were they isolated? If you accessed the reply to a posted comment and it was deleted then your comments will also be deleted.

It is always better to not attach your comments to any previously posted  comments. It is always best to go all the way down and begin a new comment by itself.

solh va doosti



Wow...2 of my posting got removed!!!!!!Why and how?

by LostIdentity (not verified) on

They were in reply to Zion's post;


Wow Kourosh.....

by Bijanam (not verified) on

I could have never imagined your soft side. You got some talent to voice your rage so poetically. You brought an old man to tears recounting old memories. I bet that you and I are of the same vintage. I wouldn’t be surprised if you and I didn’t go to the same school together near Majlis. Somehow god has given you the talent to express your feelings so vividly. Not everyone can do that… To be honest with you, I did not appreciate Rosie taking your piece and your outpouring of emotions and starting a new thread.
I wanted to complement you on your ability to communicate your emotions so effectively. I also wanted to agree with you that no one is born with a particular faith. Religion is not a race or a color of skin. But, you are born “to” and raised “by” people of certain faith to that point of maturity that you may decide your own spirituality.
I am convinced that human race would not survive without some spiritually. I also believe that foundation of all religions is rooted in “good” and not “evil”. What frustrates me is blind submission to practice of a religion without regard to the passage of time and progress of civilization.
As I stated in my previous posts, there is no arguing with the quotes you have posted and those Muslims who choose to follow those blindly and make it their guiding light are the ones to receive (and deservedly so) the sharp tone of your insult. But, it is not fair to pass the same judgment to everyone who is born “to” a Muslim family or believes in progressive Islam as their faith. It is not right to condemn a faith on the basis of what its
practice required centuries ago.

Please forgive me (you and any other reader) if my comments come out as condescending. They are not meant to be that way.

Kourosh, I hope to see more writing from your softer side….

And, peace on earth


Your welcome

by Nadias on

from the thorn in your side.:o)

Kouroush Sassanian


by Kouroush Sassanian on

True, true!



by Nadias on

"Hatred paralyzes life; love releases it. Hatred confuses life; love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life; love illuminates it."

          -Martin Luther King, Jr.


The solution is sepration of Religion and State

by Anon (not verified) on

The problem is not religion. The problem is how people misuse religion to gain power and control over others. The solution is separating religion from government. The law of a nation should not be based on religious laws.
Religion is for individual enlightenment, faith and philosophy. It has to be practiced in private and not be flaunted in public. Those who flaunt religion or wear it on their sleeves are hypocrites who do not actually believe in it but rather use it for show.

Nothing will be solved by searching for ‘true Islam’ or quoting the Qur'an. The Qur'an is a vast, vague book, filled with poetry and contradictions -- much like the Bible. You can find in it condemnations of war and incitements to struggle, beautiful expressions of tolerance and stern pictures against unbelievers. Quotations from it usually tell us more about the person who selected the passages than about Islam. Every religion is compatible with the best and the worst of humankind. Through its long history, Christianity has supported inquisitions and anti-Semitism, but also human rights and social welfare.
All religions have holes, therefore it is not a strong argument to pick passages from them to support a particular viewpoint.

Prior to 1979 people practiced their relgion in private. Those who did not have to flaunt it were the truely faithful. Today religion is no longer sacred in Iran. It is just a tool used by the governement and people are tired of it. People no longer respect Islam contrary to pre-revolution years. Religion has no place in any government.

Rosie T.

Kouroush, I want you to know...

by Rosie T. on

forget it. Just check your message box please. Sometimes it doesn't work. If you don't get anything, let me know here. Also check out the unfeatured blogs for something I just posted.
Rosie Tozih

Kouroush Sassanian

On to the business at hand and more

by Kouroush Sassanian on

The questions posed on the following blog were very important and certainly related to this blog, but it did not get much exposure, because a certain someone believed I was, well, it does not matter, here it is:


Kouroush Sassanian

To: Bijanam

by Kouroush Sassanian on


You seek my intent - well, my intent is colored with many days and nights of intrigue, enlightenment, confusion, frustration, epiphany, guidance, and so much more that these limited words would simply disappoint you.

This website is inaccessible to Iranians in Iran, therefore, I am not under some delusion that some difference will come from these or other posts, however, I must say that there are many Iranians who live abroad that want to know the truth about Islam and Iran. There are many Iranians that have yet to read the Quoran, but readily and proudly claim ownership of said book or religion. These people are not evil or bad, but they misled or must claim some affinity to Islam, because they have been feed this notion that they were born Muslims - as if, Islam is a race or color of skin where a person is genetically born with such traits or characteristics.

In other words, I can understand being born black, white or even  a frog, but being born a Muslim is unacceptable. Don't get me wrong I know the reasons behind this mandate under Islam - it paves the way to completely control a human being from the first day one takes a breath in this World. Do you know the punishment for apostasy under Islam? Religious Tyranny – I say!

Many have suggested that it is a waste of time to engage Muslims - I say not! I am not here to hold hands with Iranians Muslims. I am here to be in there face. I am here to confront them.   

But, more importantly, as I said this days ago, I am here, because I am you, your neighbor, your shame, your fear, your hate, your past, your present, your future, I am your mirror, I am the friend you once had, I am the person you betrayed, I am the person you stoned to death, I am the first stone cast, I am the child that hung until the red left his lips, I am the mother who had to claim the body of her child, I am the father that could never wash his son’s body, I am the cold winds that ran up your back when you sense injustice, I am the emotion that makes you stare with fright and intrigue at a  person as his life leaves his body, I am everything you do not want to be,  I am  a Muslim, a Jew, a Mazdaki, a Christian, a Sufi, a Bahai, I am hate, I am love, I am anger, I am sorrow, I am hope, I am your denial, I am your efforts to distance yourself from Islam, I am your excuses,  I am your broken grave stones,  I am your unmarked graves,  I am tears, I am the desire to send steel rain to the IRI, I am your vengeance,  I am your desire for a pound of flesh,  I am your desire to distinguish yourself from Arabs,  I am your contradictions,  I am unfair,  I am your humanity on a cusp,  I am your irrational desires,  I am your divorces, I am your failed efforts at love abroad, I am your failed attempts to fit-in, I am your changed names so it can be pronounced, I am your efforts to include your non-Iranians friends in the conversation, I am thousands of souls that never came back from the War –  I am you!

I am your laughter as the warm waters of the Caspian crashes against your feet leaving a million water nymphs squirming under and over your feet, I am your request and desire to stop and get warm, fresh kolocheh as you arrive in Mazandaran, I am the pain that brings a smile to your face as you walk over sharp seashells trying to reach the water,  I am the purple skies over Perspolis,  I am the wait for the order of jegar with salt bought at the street vendor [jegaree], I am the pieces of seeds[tokhmeh] spat from the upper balcony over the heads of the audience sitting in looj,  I am the barley soup with a piece of bread being eaten on a cool winter day after the movies at Cinema Takhteh Jamsheed, I am the laughter of kids at a school playground at zangeh tafreh, I am the inner urge to “gher” when you hear bab-karam,  I am the anticipation for peroshkee, I am that bastanee ghefee, I am that fire coming from the tumble weed at Chahar shanbe souree, I am the crisp new bills you got for nourouz, I am the nouneh khameayee sold near Majlis,  I am how you feel when you mother asks  what you want her to make you for dinner, I am the deep snow in Hamedan, the dates on the ground on the streets of Bam, I am the round faloudeh Kerman, I am the best ash you had in Tabriz, I am the summers in Astara, I am the mountains of Alborz and Zagroos,  I am the hot, hot summer muggy nights of Abadan, I am the korsee at your grandma’s house in the dead of winter, I am the first gojeh of the season, I am the night skies over the Kavir,  I am you!


Eloquence and Tolerance? or rather DoubleTalk?

by Zion on

LostIdentity, according to you, although the Koran very clearly says do not take JEWS and CHRISTIANS for friends (without specification) it actually MEANS only certain types of Jews or Christians, a certain group of them who were waging war against the muslim community. right. Now a couple of questions. 

Isn't the koran supposed to be the most eloquent and the most clear dictation of the words of Allah the almighty, himself? If Allah meant only some of the Jews for only a certain period of time, couldn't he have said at least as clearly as you just did, and that in a book that he intended to be for all times, the last and most perfect religion for humanity till the end of times? My dear, this is important, because in the verse you quoted, there is no simple mention of Jew of Christian (as a general term), but a very specific type of believers n certain idea are singled out versus everyone else.  But what are those ideas? Islam sees other existing scriptures as corruption of the "true" scriptures that were identical in every respect to the teachings of Islam and the Koran (of course, what else? ;). So believing in allah and the last day is Koran's way of asking all the others to come back to purity that is Islam. This is just another clever way of emphasizing the superiority of Islam over all the other (false or corrupted) religions. That is why in the verse I quoted, the term Jew and Christian has no further explanation and is actually meant for all times. The Koran says so very clearly:

"Abraham was neither Jewish, nor Christian; he was a monothesit, a muslim. he never was an idol-woshiper. The people most worth of following Abraham are those who follow him and this prophet (Muhammad), and those who believed. Allah is the Lord of believers." 3:67-68

 It is very clear what Koran thinks of Jews and Christians in the very essence of their beliefs. It is not even considered monotheism by Koran! Those mentioned in your verse, LostIdentity, were not Jews and Christians, it were those from those groups who figured out Islam and hence are muslims! Who is taking verse out of the context now, LostIdentity?!

This is what Ibn Khatir says about this as well:



Of course you can deny Ibn Khatir as Sunni or what ever. But you see, if I am allowed to cherry pick from the evidence and historical records, I can quote enough humanitarian passages from speeches and books of Hitler and Goebbels to pass them through as the best of men and the loveliest of ideologies.  I'm sure you see this would be hypocritical. After all, you mentioned, in your white washing attempt, of certain jews and Christians warring against muslims at that time. Now how do you know of that time? Isn't it from the same sources as Al Tabari and so on? Why not remain consistent LostIdentity? If they are thrust worthy, they are thrust worthy, if not, not. And once we are here, what about the koran itself? If you are allowed to cast doubt on any source that disagrees with your premises and dogmas, why not on the authenticity of the Koran itself? After all they are all handed down basically from the same people, region, period of time, channels and sources.

NOW let's read all the quotes from Tabari and Ibn Ishaq that KS has provided here. What do you see? Jews and Christians waging war against innocent muslims, or a ruthless new ideological tyranny spreading it s dark shadows over the arabian deserts (that were relatively free and multi cultural before that). Men being assassinated in their homes, fear being struck in the hearts of the "enemy" who used to live there before hand in peace and minding her own business amidst many others for years....

Some fairness, LostIdenity, just a tiny bit, huh?

Free your mind from dogma and the need to be an apologist for evil and a whitewasher of crimes. 





Re: Bijanam

by LostIdentity (not verified) on

To me, you say the same things that KS or Zion says. They are all "the head and tail of the same idea". And, the idea is to separate Islam and IRAN and put them against each other. If you really look for peace you preach peace and act peacefully. I have to, unfortunalely, say that your words contradicts your presumed goal (peace). I don't exactly know where this idea of creating conflict between nationalism and faith started, but I assure you that it won't work in this day and age. People are smarter than you think they where decades and centuries ago.

Peace on earth for all mankind;


Re.Rosie .. Don't Twist my words "Are you accusing me...?"

by Da world (not verified) on

YYou really proved how you UNREASONABLE and FOUL you are, like K.S.


I asked YOU for GOD SAKE ONLY a "QUESTION " A "QUESTION ".READ CAREFULLY.This is the Question I asked:(FOR the THIRD TIME)

"But I ask you Rosie, do you support him because you FEEL SORRY for him or, you really LIKE" HIS" ignorance and hates about Islam and Muslim?
Because as it clears most of the people don't like his offensive language.

I REPEAT AGAIN I SAID do you FEEL SORRY for him or you like "HIS" again "HIS " ignorance and hates about Islam and Muslim NOT YOU.
In the CIVILIZED WAY You could simply say "No" because...(Your reasons..)

Do you consider this question FILTHY not your DIRTY WORDS and LANGUAGE, FILTHY .

I think you LANGUAGE and your WORDS are more FILTHY, not my question.

"YOU Understood what you want to Understand".

NOW you changed a simple question to ACCUSATION and VERY SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS.

DID I DIRECTLY SAY,you KILLED SOMEBODY or you STOLED something. You make a big DEAL from SOMETHING small.

Which part of my comment : I CALLED YOU A "RACIST"

Where is this come from? Are you Accusing Me?


If somebody read my comment, they can say I never accused anyone being racist "


DO YOU CHAT with people LIKE this , just ACCUSING them that they called YOU racist.

Actually must tell you:

You can't just go around frivolously and accusing people ,the THINGS they never said and PUT your words in their MOUTH.

These are VERY serious allegations .

And I SHOULD NOT be SURPRISED because YOU use FOUL language.YOU are like YOUR FRIEND K.S.
You are a LIAR, UNREASONABLE, FOUL and impolite.You DESERVE these WORDS .
I am not like you USING "STREET WORDS". This is REAL you.

You that kind of person TWIST people's WORDS the way you want it to be.

I said , I don't respond to you anymore ,but I had to this time because YOU
MISLEADING people by ACCUSING ME the thing I NEVER SAID,( I called you
and people racist) I had to Defend Myself.


Re: Zion

by LostIdentity (not verified) on

I told you but you carelessly (or carefully) try to brush asidemy reason and go on with your own presumed logic.

The intent of this Aya is to warn moslems agains those who want to eradicate Islam during those blossoming days. This was not about ALL Jews and Christians. It's about those who wanted to uproot Islam.

Now, What do you make of the following Aya that came a7 Aya after the one you mention?

69. Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Do you take a person who creates mutiny against you as your friend? Don't beat around the bushes and give me straight answer, Please?

Peace for mankind


Thanks Bijanam

by Zion on

I also admire and learn from your open mind and to the point comments. 

I really appreciate your kind words.



BE SPECIFIC (If you can)

by Zion on


stop beating around the bush and talk about generalities. Illuminate us SPECIFICALLY how the verse 

Qur'an 5:51

"Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other."

 can mean anything else than what it means. OK? Put your supposed "rules" in to action here, and start with the verse above first.

  You can keep quoting Rumi all you want, won't address my point. Rumi uses many cultural traits to present his OWN ideas. he talks of Muhammad, of Ali, of Karbala, of Jesus, of Moses, of a talking parrot, of a lady having sex with her donkey... you name it. How does that change what i already explained?


Rosie T.

Da World, you posited that I am a covert Muslim hater without

by Rosie T. on

even bothering to find out anything about me or my views.  And I WANT you to be surprised by my language because what you said was FILTHY and at LEAST I put asterisks. I have devoted HOURS adding up to full DAYS COUNTERING KS's Islamo-bashing every conceivable way I could.  You have no RIGHT to accuse ANYONE of what you did, based on a cursory reading of a couple of posts, ESPECIALLY someone like me who is KNOWN to be a copious writer. And if you bothered to REGISTER, you could TRACK my posts easily. And if you don't bother, you really...shouldn't be so frivolous in your accusations.

And you SHOULD be surprised because I NEVER use foul language. You should be surprised and REFLECT on why you deserve it.  Read my posts, as I suggested you do, on the issue of Islam, primarily in KS's first blog and the Ashura/Ahmadinejad one and REFLECT.

You can't just go around frivously and willy-nilly accusing people of "racism."  Find out about those people first.  These are VERY serious allegations and the onus is upon YOU to prove the charge before you make it (or even SUGGEST it), rather than on that person to defend themselves.


To: All....

by Bijanam (not verified) on

It is very gratifying to see such a civilized exchange on a subject without too many f words…
while I lack the depth of historical knowledge and research that Zion or Rosie have, but I have 58 years of living experience with muslims and feel justified to chime in with my observations and the opinions that have developed from such observations and very limited research. Unfortunately 20 years of academic studies did not give me the chance to read more in-depth into historical backgrounds and texts of such historical documents. I’ve been more into math, science and engineering (nerdy stuff).
I don’t know what KS’s intents are in starting this thread, but, I cannot argue with the facts. You can argue that some of the quotes are taken out context, but you can’t deny that the 7th century Islam was pro-violence and in-tolerant of non-believers. And, there is no argument over how Persian culture was invaded by Islamo-arab culture. However, the fact and reality is that after 14 centuries Iran is (and will remain) populated with muslim people.
But, to suggest that Islam is the identity of an Iranian citizen is nonsense. Those Iranians who identify themselves by the preachings of 7th century Islam are those that are keeping IRI in power. As I said, I have lived with Muslims my entire life and some of my closest friends (who I trust my life in their hands) are muslims (I am an Iranian Jew). None of my muslim friends identify themselves by the religion they were born with.
Then, stop identifying Iranian with Islam. Hopefully the youth of Iran and all Iranians will realize that following preachings of the 7th century Islam will bring them more misery in today’s world. You can’t ignore progress of civilization and freeze in time.
Today you are not considered human if you go to bed with a nine year old. This is not to badmouth Islam, but to emphasize our focus to the positive and progressive aspect of our spiritual belief.

KS: I think I understand your rage and frustration. A lot of times I find myself in your camp but I think it will be more productive if we tone down our rhetoric.

Zion: I have always admired your depth of knowledge and your logical and solid responses to the issues. You are the one I look up to and hope to gain a fraction of your insight.

Rosie: You and I may share many view points but I think you are farther removed from reality than I am.

LostIdentity: You don’t need to be so defensive about Islam. Iran is your identity not your religion. You sound a lot more intelligent to take the 7th century Islam verbatim..

Daryush: Get a life and get out of the dark ages.

And may peace be on earth


Re;Rosie Your Language is Bad as K.Sassanian!

by Da world (not verified) on

I NEVER used or use those WORDS you used .

What did I say that caused you to act like that. I wrote:

"But I ask you Rosie, do you support him because you FEEL SORRY for him or, you really like his ignorance and hates about Islam and Muslim? Because as it clears most of the people don't like his offensive language."

I said that because from your previous comment,you encourage people to read his blog , to know him BETTER not to HATE him. WHAT THIS TELLS TO EVERYONE you are his...? "Unfinished sentence " (Must be careful of your offensive language).

I don't really write that much, most of the time I JUST read people's comments,but this time:

YOU really SURPRISED me,Because sometimes people write to you really bad things and you LET it GO and don't use any bad words. LIKE " F".

This is really YOU,don't ACT you are a LADY,because you are NOT. You couldn't even TAKE one Question.

The kind of LANGUAGE you USED,shows You're exactly Like, Kouroush Sassanian thats why you are bond with him.

I don't flag anyone because some of you are the same.

I didn't say you are "Distorting the Truth".I said K.S. is.

I don't respond to your comments anymore.


Re: Zion

by LostIdentity (not verified) on

I refer you back to my previous posting about the context of aya and how you need to consider the continuity of the message it gives in the story it tells. Did you know that there's many forms of censorship and TELLING PART OF THE FACT AND ABANDONING THE REST is considered sensorship (Lie!)?

Your knowledge (or concealing of it) on Islam is amazing. Rumi Hafez and others are fruit of islam's tree. Have you read Rumi's peom about Imam Hossein:
Kojaeed ey shahidane khoda-yee;
Balajooyane dashte Karbala-yee;
Az Ali amooz ekhlase amal;
Shire hagh ra dan monazzah az daghal;

He has tons of poems like these.

Be fair to yourself and others;



by Zion on

Such silly shiite myths with absolutely no reliable sources of the early Islamic period won't do either. Also, Imaginations of professional hadith inventor and Orweliian masterminds of rewriting history as need arises, like Majlesi and Koleyni, are worth precisely zero in any serious search for truth. 



Address the issues LostIdentity

by Zion on

... if you can. Koran's verses are clearly against what you claim. Why don't you answer the specific cases mentioned? Like the verse KS quoted

Qur'an 5:51

"Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other."


You want to talk about your noble beliefs, that's fine. they are not Islam however. Maybe you are advocating a new religion. That is also fine, but that religion is not islam, that religion is not based on the teaching sof the Koran.


(Quoting mystics like Rumi won't help you. Their ideas are based on mystery religions before Islam and teachings of neo-platonism. They cloak it under Islamic guise to be able to survive the Islamic retributions, yet they were still declared heretics in their time and for many centuries afterwards, until the modern age actually, when the Islamists realized they could be confiscated, taken out of context in an Orwelian manner and used  efficiently for propaganda purposes.)