No Iranian is required shy away from asking questions of 9 mostly Non-Iranian Millionaire-Bahai-Leaders sitting in Haifa Israel.
These 9 grown men shouldn't need Internet-attack-troops -- except to hide their failings because they are not able to respond to 10 questions.
These 9 millionaires do not need censorship of questions posed to them on Iranian.com if their movement has any more value than the suits they are dressed in.
In fact, every Iranian that loves his or her country is required to ask these 9 dudes in Versace business suits exactly what it is that they are seeking to offload in Iran. The fact that they consistently refuse to do so in an open question-&-answer setting with their strictest critics means their cause has no value, no credibility, and is not entitled to any deference whatsoever within Iran's territorial borders.
I wrote this very important blog yesterday giving them a chance to answer 10 questions (see Dialogue with Haifan-Baha'i Leaders -- People Have Questions.) with the proviso that if they did not answer they have no future right to expect Iranians will assume their movement has an innocent purpose. Iran does not need to keep revisiting the same questions with these characters over and over again: Their time is up. The Hare Krishnas, and God knows who else, have been waiting patiently and now it is their turn - they're next in line, move over.
My blog yesterday posed 10 questions to these 9 Bahai Leaders, but was pushed to the no-man's land of the back page of Iranian.com, while blogs about Muslim leaders usually make the front page including caricatures of Muslim holy figures. So, I asked myself several questions:
First, Why did Iranian.com need to protect 9 mostly Non-Iranian millionaires sitting in Haifa Israel from 1 person's blog?
Second, why was a picture of the Bahai's holy man (who calls himself "Bahalluah" but Iranians know by his birth name Mirza H.A. Noori) swept onto the back page while caricatures of the leaders of other faiths, usually Muslims but sometimes Christians, regularly get front page service on the website?
A general principles of living is that: Questions are questions.
If it affects Iran, Iranians have the right to ask questions. If the Bahai leaders don't care to answer questions, it is abundantly clear that they don't care that governments around the world view their movement with suspicion (probably because they benefit from victim-status-publicity). By hiding their activities from questions one can deduce that they do not care about the lives of individuals (their followers).
Here is what I said in reference to dozens of quotes by dozens of internet profiles hostile to Muslims, attacking me personally, and actively promoting the Bahai faith during yesterday's blog:
"by Zendanian on Sat Sep 15, 2012 07:54 PM PDT Mohamad was the biggest Monkey of them all"
You can write that anyone's prophet or a government official is a "monkey," but if the Bahai leaders can't answer secularly motivated national security questions, they lose credibility regarding everything and anything they have said: Forever!
And if Ahmadi-nejad, or Khameini, or someone else in the future is the "monkey" (as Bahais put it), still that happens to be the "monkey" in power ... just make sure he doesn't view Bahais as the banana.
* You want Iran to surrender its independent judgment to foreign Bahai men sitting in Israel who don't answer questions?
* Why do 9 grown men that are millionaires, the Bahai leaders, need to be protected from questions by 1 person on Iranian.com?
* Why?
* Who died and made these 9 dudes king?
* If Massoud Rajavi or Trita Parsi declared that they were the 27th and final Imam and opened a Universal House of Justice in Birmingham England you wouldn't ask them questions and just let their adherents and activities run free and unchecked in Iran?
I feel sorry for you if that's the kind of Iranian you are because you do not understand what it requires to defend Iran: Loving Iran enough to defend it has nothing to do with who is in power now or was in the past. It has nothing to do with Ahmadi-nejad or Khomeini or Muhammad. Iran has national security requirements and as a sovereign country decides what those requirements are in light of its historical experiences, facts that are available, and the appearance of security threats.
These are the questions: Dialogue with Haifan-Baha'i Leaders -- People Have Questions. Why not dispel peoples' suspicions because usually there is a difference between leaders and followers, and that these 2 groups may (or may not) have different agendas.
Neither TV docu-dramas nor scripted and uncritical BBC or VOA interviews will get the Bahais what they seek. I am astonished by how many millions of dollars they have spent doing this, in what is a tactic pre-designed to fail miserably and that will come across as insulting and disloyal to the vast majority of Iranians (both secular and religious).
If these 9 Bahai "leaders" hide out in Versace suits in Israel and put up sad stories about people in Iran, ad infantium, the Iranian public has the right to ask them why they don't lead and answer questions to dispel suspicions that people have about their group that impact the lives of individuals.
If they don't do that, they don't care about the lives of individuals - Period.
Ask any father or mother that leads any group near and dear to their hearts, if their child was in trouble and they even had a 0.000001% chance to convince someone that it was a mistake by answering questions, they would do it. These 9 leaders don't and won't. They don't care about their followers; they care about something else.
God business is big business.
But Iran's national security requirements are absolute -- always have been -- and always will be.
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I do believe
by khaleh mosheh on Tue Sep 25, 2012 05:02 PM PDTthis blog is a good candidate for deletion as it is packed with prejudice and is clearly a discredit to the site.
Dear: AmirParviz4MonarchyButNotIranianSecurity
by MaryamJoon on Wed Sep 19, 2012 01:32 PM PDT"by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:12 PM PDT it would be wrong for you to judge [Non-Iranian Haifan] Bahaii leaders for such actions, unless you base your values on hypocrissy [sic]. Which is sharing Western filthy values."
This space is reserved for AmirParviz to explain the following:
(1) Why you believe it acceptable for Iran or Iranians to be threatened and intimidated into silence by the Haifan-Bahai leaders, while you believe it is (in your words), "wrong to judge [Non-Iranian Haifan] Bahaii leaders."
(2) Why you believe it is acceptable for Iran or Iranians to suffer propaganda by Haifan-Bahai leaders (as admitted on video by one of their former leaders), but (in your words), "wrong to judge [Non-Iranian Haifan] Bahaii leaders." (See, a 40 year veteran of the Bahai Faith and a Former Bahai leader states explicitly on video that "Bahais try to threaten, defame, and stalk" others to avoid talking about issues .)
(3) In your own words, you say it is "wrong to judge [Non-Iranian Haifan] Bahaii leaders." So why do you believe it is acceptable for 9-millionaire-Bahai-Leaders (most of whom are not even Iranian) to generate publicity and cash contributions based on the victim-status of Iranians, but not answer questions that might alleviate the suffering of their followers (when they also get paid by the Israeli government to do this along with massive Israeli benefits)?
(4) Why do you say "it is wrong" to judge the Bahai leaders, as an Iranian, when they send around spokes-persons who say the following types of things?
“I fully support a first strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities wherever they may be hidden and by whatever means are needed to destroy them. If the Iranians deny us their oil, destroy their oil facilities – if we can’t have their oil, neither will they.” (Bahai Academic, Ian Kluge.)
None of the cowardly Haifan-Bahai Leaders could answer ...
by MaryamJoon on Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:52 AM PDT... they are sitting in Israel counting their money hoping for the next victim so they can collect some more cash donations.
I told you so.
Bravo Iraj Khan
by MaryamJoon on Tue Sep 18, 2012 01:51 PM PDTby iraj khan on Mon Sep 17, 2012 08:09 PM PDT
1. The user who goes by the name of mariam joon has the right to speak her mind as long as he/she follows the rules of this website. There is no reason to ban/block this account and why?
2. Monarchist and Israel Lobby who are advocating starvation and bombing of Iran are very active on this site, why not mariam joon?
3. No one has to read what is published here on this website. Those who don't like what she writes, don't have to read it.
4. I confess I learned a few things about how Bahais are organized by reading some of her blogs and comments.
I'm just saying,
Iraj
Nope, Souri ... I am not "Trita" either
by MaryamJoon on Tue Sep 18, 2012 01:40 PM PDT"Haifan Baha’i Organization falsely claims that their critics are the same person to mislead Iranians"
Articles on web dealing with the issue
by MaryamJoon on Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:28 AM PDTThere are a lot of articles all over the internet, that indicate that people are starting to expose the inner-workings of this group.
People are starting to expose the Bahai Leaders Wealth
by MaryamJoon on Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:19 AM PDTAnd I did find this: I found this link about the sorts of financial deals the Bahai leaders have engaged in to make them extremely wealthy, and as the story suggests, it has been by exploiting the misery of other people.
MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan, it's been said before
by MaryamJoon on Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:17 AM PDT... and I believe you are right, but "NeoCon" is shorthand for groups and people seem too "shy" to mention. Don't get me wrong, I don't blame people for being shy.
Now, the question is whether Iranians will stand for that:
In Iran they will not and that's where the overwhelming majority of Iranians are.
Neo-Con-ization of the site
by MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan on Tue Sep 18, 2012 07:02 AM PDTAnd the culprits know well who I am talking about. A number of subversive characters all becoming members around the same time...
تخریب سایت
MeyBokhor_ManbarbesuzanTue Sep 18, 2012 07:00 AM PDT
تخریب این سایت از اوایل سال ۲۰۰۸ شروع شد.
قبل از این تاریخ مشکوک میشد مکالمات کم و بیش محترمانه
وبدون توهین در این سایت انجام داد.
حالا همه چیز شده سفصطه گری و فرار از جواب و توهین شخصی.
Excellent comment from Suri, which was not responded in Farsi!
by Roozbeh_Gilani on Tue Sep 18, 2012 03:53 AM PDTحالا اگر مقصود شما اینه که این سایت رو تخریب کنید (همونطورکه نور همین قصد رو داشت، چون خصومت شخصی با سردبیر سایت ایرانیان دات کام داشت) پس تبریک میگم چونک به مقصد خودتون نزدیک شدید. اما اگر هدفتون،
خراب کردن تصویر بهاییان و بهایت بوده، هی هات، چونک درست نتیجه معکوس
داد.
در ضمن از شما خواهش میکنم، حتما به فارسی جواب منو بنویسید.
چونک تقریبا مطئمن هستم که نمیتونید فارسی بنویسید. احتمالا ایرانی الاصل
هستید ولی فارسی زبان نیستید. ....که البته در اصل مطلب هیچ فرقی
نمیکنه.
Here is what I wrote some time ago:
by MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan on Tue Sep 18, 2012 01:32 AM PDTHere is what I wrote some time ago in a blog of mine and it is still relevant:
Recent duels among followers of Bahai, Babi, Muslim, etc., have reminded me again of why I don’t give a dime for any of the major or minor religions. What separates the “God-sent” prophet from your ordinary philosophers and moralists is one or all of the following:
1) People in his immediate surroundings are so primitive or savage that the only way he can guide them is by scaring them into obedience using avenging God -- kind of like “stick and carrot” expres-sion so loved by western media. A good example is the God of the Old Testament.
2) People in his immediate surroundings are rich people who contribute to his rise in order to calm the angry masses by promising them a better life after this one. This situation is valid for Christianity, Islam, and most other religions.
3) He is delusional to start with or becomes so during his preaching – so much so as he starts to actually believe that only one sent from God can be as smart as he is.
4) Or he is simply just an opportunist that sees it as his right to manipulate and exploit the “lesser” people.
Amir asks a good question about Bahais during Pahlavi era
by MaryamJoon on Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:59 PM PDT"by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:44 PM PDT - During the late Shahs time the head of Savak and PM were former Bahaii's so what????? Could they harm Iran?"
با عرض سلام سوری خانم
مآمورMon Sep 17, 2012 11:03 PM PDT
با ایرج موافقم، اگر قرار است هیچ چیز ،ودر صدر لیست دین اسلآم، مقدس نباشد پس بگذارید مریم جون هم بی قداستی کند!
با شما هم موافقم، مریم میبایست مسئله شخصی با آنها داشته باشد! من نه خاطره بدی با بهایها دارم نه آنقدر متدین هستم که مشکل مذهبی با ' آنها ' داشته باشم هر چند رابطه ' آنها ' با اسرائیل برای من سوال برانگیز است!!
میدونی خانم، این مریم جون بقول خارجیها خیلی سوفیستیک است!! فقط از ۹ نفر حرف میزند!!
اگر مامور بود تا حالا صد باره مسئله شخصی خود را ، به زبان شیرین که فرمودید اسمش فارسی است، برایتان بلاگ کرده بود.
I wear an Omega watch
What the former Bahai leader calls "habits"
by MaryamJoon on Mon Sep 17, 2012 09:38 PM PDTThe only "habit" that I have seen admitted is where a 40 year veteran of the Bahai Faith and a Former Bahai leader states explicitly on video that "Bahais try to threaten, defame, and stalk" others to avoid talking about issues. Yes, I use quotes. Perhaps someone will remind you that this is a "habit" many literate people around the world have to make sure others understand what they are referring to in their writings.
OOOPS!!
by Souri on Mon Sep 17, 2012 09:26 PM PDTMaryamJoon you lost it!
You did this mistake which prove that you are Wahid (Nour) Azal.
This is his very own habit to repeat other people's comment in bold w/o saying a word............
ok dear, deja vu!
Goodbye
Who put you in charge of deciding the "focus" of all Iranians?
by MaryamJoon on Mon Sep 17, 2012 09:17 PM PDT"by Souri on Mon Sep 17, 2012 08:29 PM PDT - My problem is the "obsession" that she/he has with the Bahais, while they are not our main focus, in this very moment."
Thank you Iraj
by MaryamJoon on Mon Sep 17, 2012 09:12 PM PDTThank you for believing that 9-Millionaire-Bahai-Leaders who are grown men can answer 10 questions.
Thank you for believing that Iranians have the right to ask questions of a foreign-based group that wants to offload their movement in Iran.
Thank you for believing that other adults have the right to read online, without others taking their right to read what they want.
Thank you for believing that Bahais who don't want to read an article, don't have to read an article, but more importantly, that they don't have the right to force their views on Non-Bahais through threats, insults and coercion. (How audacious is it for an online group to be doing exactly what governments around the world are accusing them of? Don't they see the irony? Don't they get it?)
Bottom Line Iraj: Thank you.
Iraj Khan
by Souri on Mon Sep 17, 2012 08:29 PM PDTNobody said she/he has to be blocked.
She/he can do their verraji as much as he/she wants it.
Actually I don't read her multiple comments and blogs, since the very first days of her presence here.
My problem is the "obsession" that she/he has with the Bahais, while they are not our main focus, in this very moment.
Either she/he is here for disturbing the real debates or she/he is a true troll.
I am sorry that you put too much time to learn those things which you said, because everything she says has been already posted here, thousand times by our very dear Wahid Azal.
This new dude, seems to be a frustrated ex Bahai, living in Australia (again) who has personal and private problem with the Bahai organization, which are really not our business, or at least not at this degree of obsession.
You can continue reading her/his materials and learning more from them, but I have also the right to express my frustration and bordom about the repetetive materials here.
Respects;
In support of free speech
by iraj khan on Mon Sep 17, 2012 08:09 PM PDTSouri khanoom,
1. The user who goes by the name of mariam joon has the right to speak her mind as long as he/she follows the rules of this website. There is no reason to ban/block this account and why?
2. Monarchist and Israel Lobby who are advocating starvation and bombing of Iran are very active on this site, why not mariam joon?
3. No one has to read what is published here on this website. Those who don't like what she writes, don't have to read it.
4. I confess I learned a few things about how Bahais are organized by reading some of her blogs and comments.
I'm just saying,
Iraj
دیگه بهم ثابت شد که فارسی بلد نیستید
SouriMon Sep 17, 2012 07:55 PM PDT
مهم نیست.
پس حالا که میفرمایید که این مساله مختص ایران نیست و
یک موضوع جهانیست، بیاید لطف بفرمایید و مشکلاتون رو از این سایت ببرید
بیرون!
چرا این مطالب رو توی سایت بهاییان چاپ نمیکنید؟ اینجا کسی
علاقمند به این مطالب نیست. شما هم برین تو همون سایتی که اون ۹ نفر
میلیونر بهایی عضو هستن و مطالب شمارو میخونن. اینجا که نمیان، من به شما
قول میدم.
پس یخه ما بدبخت بیچارهها رو ول کنید، بگذارین دنبال
گرفتاریهای خودمون باشیم. شما هم با دوستانتون تشریف ببرید توی سایتهای
متعلق به بهاییهای جهان. اونجا این سوالهاتون رو مطرح کنید، بلکه یک جوابی
بگیرید.
جون ما رو گرفتین که، والله به خدا.................
سوری خانم، 100% اشتباه است
MaryamJoonMon Sep 17, 2012 08:06 PM PDT
You are 100% incorrect, and I have state so above in Persian, though you claim I do not understand what you wrote. However, I will write in English because when there is a pattern of insults, threats, abuse and lies by the same group of people who are pushing Bahai religious issues (most of whom cannot read in Persian), they ought to know what is being said.
First, most Bahais are not Iranian and this a fact; It is not acceptable for Iran or Iranians to be threatened and intimidated into silence about matters relating to their own country to appease your Non-Iranian online-friends who are engaging in a pattern of abuse and threats in an effort to try to silence them. I do not follow the teaching of Bahalluah, nor am I forced to follow your Bahalluah; and there is no law anywhere requiring people to submit to the improper pressure of an online harassment group.
Second, Most of the Bahai Leaders are not Iranian; If you live outside of Iran and the Bahai-Leaders are making laws and rules for you to follow, that's your business. I do not follow the rules of your Bahai leaders, and neither do most Iranians.
Third, if you have an issue with someone named 'Wahid,' that's your private business; I am not 'Wahid,' but I see that this too is a reoccurring theme among your group to libel and intimidate people online with same technique.
NOW THE MAIN ISSUES:
9 Millionaires in Haifa, Israel who are the Bahai leaders, refuse to answer questions about their movement, while generating publicity and contributions for their movement based on the victim status of Iranians (my people). If those 9 millionaire-Bahai-Leaders had one ounce of integrity they would answer the questions that skeptics and doubters have regarding their activities in an effort to alleviate the suffering of their followers. But these so-called Bahai-Leaders don't do that: They simply keep on generating publicity for their religious movement and raking in cash-contributions by using the victim-status of their followers (They probably even get paid by the Israeli government to do this - They certainly get a great deal of monetary benefit from there.). Why can't 9 millionaires in Israel answer 10 question, reduce the doubt in peoples' minds about the activities of their group, and hopefully alleviate the pressure and strain on their followers who often get arrested or kicked-out from countries around the world (not just Iran)? It's because they do not care about their followers - their money, contributions, publicity, and recruiting efforts are helped along by promoting the victim-status of their followers.
Instead of writing irrelevancies, why don't you ask the leaders of your faith to make a video response to the 10 questions I asked instead of repeatedly sending their followers to break the law.
Sepas gozaram
مریم جون
SouriMon Sep 17, 2012 06:34 PM PDT
تمام حرفهای که شما اینجا در باره بهاییها میزنید، قبلا به کرات درهمین سایت چاپ شده. دوست عزیزی به اسم وحید ازل، با اسامی مختلف، از جمله نور و غیرّه، با روزی دو بلاگ و هزاران کامنت، ما را مستفیض فرمودند.
این مهملاتی که شما اینجا میبافید و انقدر خودتونو خسته میکنید که حتما
ثابتشون هم بکنید، برای ما هیچ ارزشی نداره. گوشمون دیگه از این چرت و
پرتها پر شده. حملههای مبتذل شما به دوستان بهایی ما، نه تنها اونها رو
در چشم ما عزیز تر میکنه، بلکه خود شما رو هم بی ارزش و بی اعتبار
میکنه.
رفتار شما به عنوان یک ترول اینترنتی در این سایت باعث
ناراحتی و دلزدگی کاربران سایت شده و کم کم همه رو از این سایت رو گردان
میکنه.
حالا اگر مقصود شما اینه که این سایت رو تخریب کنید (همونطورکه نور همین قصد رو داشت، چون خصومت شخصی با سردبیر سایت ایرانیان دات کام داشت) پس تبریک میگم چونک به مقصد خودتون نزدیک شدید. اما اگر هدفتون،
خراب کردن تصویر بهاییان و بهایت بوده، هی هات، چونک درست نتیجه معکوس
داد.
در ضمن از شما خواهش میکنم، حتما به فارسی جواب منو بنویسید.
چونک تقریبا مطئمن هستم که نمیتونید فارسی بنویسید. احتمالا ایرانی الاصل
هستید ولی فارسی زبان نیستید. ....که البته در اصل مطلب هیچ فرقی
نمیکنه.
I'm not going to call anyone a "JackAss" ... not my style
by MaryamJoon on Mon Sep 17, 2012 05:12 PM PDTBut I did find this: I found this link about the sorts of financial deals the Bahai leaders have engaged in to make them extremely wealthy, and as the story suggests, it has been by exploiting the misery of other people.
And the 9 Bahai millionaires could certainly discuss it.
The Difference Between A Jack Ass & a Hysterical anti-Bahai?
by Zendanian on Mon Sep 17, 2012 04:54 PM PDTNot a whole lot.
Except we get to read Vahid Khan, disguised with lip stick, again!
MaryamJoon!
by IRANLOVESISRAEL on Mon Sep 17, 2012 04:48 PM PDTEmpirical evidence indicates that the mechanism used by the IC for the placement of blogs, deletion of comments, and blockage of repeated offenders is purely random and based on the Bernoulli process (i.e., flipping of a coin!) Of course, the coin the Admin uses is biased (i.e., heavier on the tails side than the heads side!) So, your blog was based on the heads side showing up meaning it went to the back of the site! Please don't worry because next time it may go to the front.
Shlomo loves all human kinds except the mullahs!
Dear IranLovesIsrael, ... regarding Bahai Leaders: Thanks
by MaryamJoon on Mon Sep 17, 2012 04:31 PM PDTThanks for asking. No Kabob is not on the menu for dinner (But I wish).
On a serious note, even though we have different viewpoints, don't you think that the questions are proper questions to ask?
Please give your reasons.
MaryamJoon!
by IRANLOVESISRAEL on Mon Sep 17, 2012 04:26 PM PDTWhat's for dinner? Sheesh kabob!
Shlomo likes kosher pork!
Dear Jackson: Bahai Leadership Wealth
by MaryamJoon on Mon Sep 17, 2012 04:19 PM PDTI found this link about the sorts of financial deals the Bahai leaders have engaged in to make them extremely wealthy, and as the story suggests, it has been by exploiting the misery of other people.
bahai stooge
by Jackson on Mon Sep 17, 2012 04:06 PM PDTany proof they are not? if they are not millionairres then the israeli government subsidizes them. bahais say israel does not subsidize them. so either the uhj are billionaires or they are not. if they are not then the money to operate the haifa-disneyland on mt carmel is coming straight out of the pocket of the israeli tax payer