Iranian Liberal Democrat

Gorbeh

Symbolic acts won't do jack to IRI and de-listing is not a symbolic act. It is what Neocon want to achieve their own goals. These goals are neither good for Iran nor for America.

They have one loyalty and that is to Israel. And that in a way which is not even good for Israel. If they get their way all sane people lose. When did they do anything right? Was the invasion of Iraq good for America? 

MK

"The IRI is the no. 1 state sponsored terrorist in the world. "

I am against IRI due to its domestic affairs and I care less about its foreign policies cause then there are other countries that should be on this list which THEY ARE NOT. And U.S is aware of it. There are many Americans including me who are the critics of U.S  fake list of state sponsor terrorism...  

If you look more carefully, you will see all the crimes that were done within last century ALONE in the name of democracy, will put another country on top of that list .... Besides I do not mind to side with many liberal leftists Americans who overwhelmingly happen to be the university professors  and saying what that I have just stated. 

So my answer to your first statement is a big NO ... IRI should not be on the top of this list to begin with.  But just like your blog , U.S has its own blog in terms of listing people in wrong categories .  

If I have a choice to choose between IRI or MEK ( which is so unfortunate) , but I guess that is where your questions are heading at, I will choose IRI .....  PERIOD

now I am skipping the rest of questions to save us both from headache ...

and yes ... again I am saying it ... REFORM is the only way to achieve Democracy.  We can not only get rid of the very concept of the VF but also we can entirely separate the religion from the state.

But if we want another U.S sponsored puppet to run our country then we should go with the delisting and the AIPAC 's war plans .....

PS.. MEK by no means is in its reform mood. How can it be?  U.S is highly relying on MEK's  fanatic ideology to get the dirty job done .... The only way to have the brainwashed members to carry this task is to stay firm on their fundamentalist ideology..

The only reformed MEKs are those who have escaped Camp Ashraf .... LOL  

Suri, You are Wrong. IRI is TERRORIST

1. Khomeini was a TERRORIST. Do YOU agree?

A: no I don't agree. Khomeini was never a terrorist.

MK: You are wrong. So, taking Americans in the U.S. embassy was not terrorism? Khomeini and IRI helped create the Lebanese Hezbollah which kidnapped and killed many people in Lebanon. The IRI sent agents which assassinated many many Iranians abroad. For example, the Bakhtiar’s first assassination attempt.

The State Department placed the IRI on January 19, 1984. The following is from the U.S. State Department.

//www.state.gov/s/ct/c14151.htm

This is the latest report released on Aug 18, 2011:

//www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2010/170260.htm

IRAN

Overview: Designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism in 1984, Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism in 2010. Iran’s financial, material, and logistic support for terrorist and militant groups throughout the Middle East and Central Asia had a direct impact on international efforts to promote peace, threatened economic stability in the Gulf, and undermined the growth of democracy.

In 2010, Iran remained the principal supporter of groups implacably opposed to the Middle East Peace Process. The Qods Force, the external operations branch of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), is the regime’s primary mechanism for cultivating and supporting terrorists abroad. Iran provided weapons, training, and funding to Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, including the Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC). Since the end of the 2006 Israeli-Hizballah conflict, Iran has assisted Hizballah in rearming, in direct violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701. Iran has provided hundreds of millions of dollars in support of Hizballah in Lebanon and has trained thousands of Hizballah fighters at camps in Iran.

Iran’s Qods Force provided training to the Taliban in Afghanistan on small unit tactics, small arms, explosives, and indirect fire weapons, such as mortars, artillery, and rockets. Since at least 2006, Iran has arranged arms shipments to select Taliban members, including small arms and associated ammunition, rocket propelled grenades, mortar rounds, 107mm rockets, and plastic explosives. Iran has shipped a large number of weapons to Kandahar, Afghanistan aiming to increase its influence in the country.

Despite its pledge to support the stabilization of Iraq, Iranian authorities continued to provide lethal support, including weapons, training, funding, and guidance, to Iraqi Shia militant groups that target U.S. and Iraqi forces. The Qods Force continued to supply Iraqi militants with Iranian-produced advanced rockets, sniper rifles, automatic weapons, and mortars that have killed Iraqi and Coalition Forces, as well as civilians. Iran was responsible for the increased lethality of some attacks on U.S. forces by providing militants with the capability to assemble explosives designed to defeat armored vehicles. The Qods Force, in concert with Lebanese Hizballah, provided training outside of Iraq as well as advisors inside Iraq for Shia militants in the construction and use of sophisticated improvised explosive device technology and other advanced weaponry.

Domestic Terrorism/Terrorist Incidents: Jundallah, a terrorist organization that operated primarily in the province of Sistan va Balochistan of Iran, has engaged in numerous terrorist attacks within Iran. Jundallah’s primary target is the Iranian regime; however, it has also attacked many civilians. Since its inception in 2003, these attacks have resulted in the death and maiming of scores of Iranian civilians and government officials. Jundallah has used a variety of terrorist tactics, including suicide bombings, ambushes, kidnappings, and targeted assassinations. Following the February 2010 capture and execution by Iranian authorities of Jundallah’s leader, Abdul Malik Rigi, the group selected a new leader, Mohammed Dhahir Baluch, and confirmed its commitment to continue its terrorist activities. In July, Jundallah attacked the Grand Mosque in Zahedan, killing approximately 30 and injuring hundreds. On December 15, Jundallah claimed credit for another attack in the Southeastern city of Chabahar, where two suicide bombs killed at least 39 and wounded more than 100 people. In November, the United States designated Jundallah as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. (See Chapter 6, Foreign Terrorist Organizations, for more information on Jundallah.)

Legislation and Law Enforcement: In 2010, Iran remained unwilling to bring to justice senior al-Qa’ida (AQ) members it continued to detain, and refused to publicly identify those senior members in its custody. Iran has repeatedly resisted numerous calls to transfer custody of its AQ detainees to their countries of origin or third countries for trial.

In June, Iranian authorities executed former Jundallah leader Abdul Malik Rigi. In December, Iranian authorities executed 11 members of Jundallah reportedly connected to the July mosque attack.

WARNING TO THE IRANIAN COMMUNITY

People, never provide your name or address to individuals that make comments like the guy below.  The other thing that you will notice is that he is NOW asking for my name and unable to provide any of the information to substantiate that I am supposedly an employee of the "IRI Ministry of Intelligence and IRGC."  He began making those baseless allegations when I objected to the PMOI/MEK in an effort to intimidate me and to chill my speech on the issue.  His words on the subject speak for themselves, as does his glaring silence to substantiate his allegations.  

If Masoud Kazemzadeh had an ounce of credibility he would provide the information I requested right here on this blog that seeks to determine if anything he says has can be factually substantiated and whether his threats have any excuse.  

If you have been targeted by him like this, please call my attention to it.   

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"by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Mon Aug 22, 2011 05:34 PM PDT BoosBoos, Send me your name and address. I will send you my mailing address. Our attorneys will take it from there. I look forward to this legal issue. Masoud Kazemzadeh"

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"by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Mon Aug 22, 2011 04:18 PM PDT They probably would continue to make these libelous LIES again and again and again. ... Also my personality is that if someone attacked me, then I will attack them back 10 fold to give them a lesson. That is me. I use different means but I do not turn the other cheek.

Best, Masoud"

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 "by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Sun Aug 21, 2011 03:03 PM PDT I believe that the PMOI is not a terrorist entity"  

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Note:  PMOI/MEK stands for People's Mujahedin of Iran, a militant Islamic-Marxist group on the U.S. State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations.  (See, U.S.D.S., Country Reports on Terrorism, OFFICE OF THE COORDINATOR FOR COUNTERTERRORISM, April 30, 2007 at Chap. 6.); (see also, Official Journal of the European Union; Common Position on Terrorism, listing PMOI/MEK.) 

LOL, Masoud

Now this is not really a political debate.

In Philosophy, we call it Safsateh, and you know this well (you have studied Political Sciences, like I did, but in Iran)

I won't waste the time of our readers to explain how and why, what you are doing is not a healthy debate but just a trickery back and forth to dis-track the subject.

I will only answer to some of your quetions, of course from my own point of view:

1. Khomeini was a TERRORIST. Do YOU agree?

A: no I don't agree. Khomeini was never a terrorist. 

2. Tudeh Party sided with Khomeini. Do YOU agree? 

A: Toudeh Party sided with Khomeini on what? Yes the Toudeh Party sided with Khomeini on many things, but this is a very vast subject, and you can not resume it to just a simple question which has a Yes or No, for answer.

3. Should the U.S. State Department put all the Tudeh Party, and all its
members, supporters, and sympathetic in the category of FTO?

A: As I know so far, the U.S State Department has never put Khomeini in the category of FTO! So your statement has no solid base from the beginning. Masoud jon, in a real debate, you must be careful not to mix and match your desired deduction with the valid facts. When in the past, the Toudeh Party has been even accused of bombing places or killing Iranians(or other mass of people) in an armed struggle? What is the meaning of TERRORISM in your book of Political Sciences, Masoud?
You first say :Khomeini was a terrorist! But this is only your own opinion of Khomeini, not  a fact. Then you say : Party Toudeh sided itself with Khomeini. While you don't clarify on what subject the Toudeh sided itself with Khomeini. Then ou deduct that: According to this thesis the Toudeh Party is in the same category as MKO!!! Eh...!
Really?!!!
Same goes for the rest of your arguments.....

You cannot have double-standards. There is no doubt that the Tudeh Party helped terrorism and committed treason.

I have no more patience for such argumentation.

Your analysis has not a logical base.

Later on, when you will read all you wrote in that comment, you will see that it doesn't make any sense even to yourself.

I can not argue about something which has no base nor sense to me.

Good luck.

Regarding Mousavi

Yes he should be reviewed just like MKO members. As PM he oversaw many executions and therefore should be reviewed. If sufficient evidence if available then indicted and tired. Other members of Green: I don't think so. Of course if someone were to show evidence of wrongdoing then they should also be subject to review.

However the popularity of Mousavi may require a pardon. MKO does not have the same popularity hence no need for pardon. 

Realism may require going easy on people who are guilty. That in order to avoid an all out civil war.

Thanks Vildemose

Dear Vildemose,

Thanks for the post. Now some of these folks are going to write that Professor Lisa Anderson (political scientist and now President of AUC) is a mole of Qadzafi, a supporter of Qadzafi!!!!!!!!!

:-)

Masoud

P.S. Civil liberties is a different concept than truth and reconciliation process.  Both work together in post-conflict situation to bring a transition to democracy.　

No Faramarz

You are not understanding or chose to not get what I am saying. Getting rid of IRI has nothing to do with MKO and their actions. Please read my previous post. Criminal actions are not a matter or my linking or not. They are for a court of law do decide and only and Iranian one.

I do not have blinders on. There is no point bringing on a angerous cult on board. When you know they will backstab you at the first opportunity. This is not WWII and Roosevelt did not bring Stalin into the American politics. In fact Stalin had very clear boundaries of influence. Besides the result of that alliance was the cold war. As soon as Stalin got a chance he back stabbed America and tried to grab as much territory as possible.

Churchill wanted America to take out Stalin right after Hitler. America refused and paid for it with years of cold war. They nearly got into WWIII. Do you remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? If Iranian opposition were to include MKO post IRI there will be war. A civil war between MKO any anyone who stands between them and power. They want absolute power and will gladly fight anyone for it. I rather do without their 3000 troops.

Soosan Khanoom

Soosan Khanoom: Disenchanted and VPK

by Soosan Khanoom on Mon Aug 22, 2011 04:29 PM PDT

You two are right on points in your arguments about MEK ... Defending MEk by no means make sense ..... It is like letting Nazi sympathizers open an office in Tel Aviv .... LOL

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Dear Soosan Khanoom,

Could you please provide answers to these questions? I want to show you how slippery slope works.

The IRI is the no. 1 state sponsored terrorist in the world.

1. Should Mousavi be banned from running for any political office in the post-fundamentalist Iran?

2. Should any member, supporter, or sympathetic person to the reformists be put on trial for terrorism?

3. Should any group that supports the reformist faction of the fundamentalist regime be put on trial for terrorism?

4. You wrote: " So i guess I am a reformists but I do not necessary am a fan of the ones you mentioned."

Considering that the U.S. State Department has classified the IRI as the top state sponsor of terrorism, what do you think the U.S. government should do with those who call themselves part of that state-sponsor of terrorism?

5. Would YOU also demand the same thing about IRGC as with the PMOI? Should IRGC be placed on the FTO?

6. Would you also consider the Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan to be a terrorist group?

I look forward to reading your answers.

Best,

Masoud

IRI Regime change is # 1 priority! Even if it means to...

de-list MEK. MEK's members may be a bunch of old geezers but the very symbolic fact that they are being de-listed makes the IRI goons browning their pants!

I agree with agha Maziar 100%

 Can we just say..... kiss and kiss , boos and boos  and accept our designated titles with dignity like Maziar does? I mean I was hopingfor  Masoud to put me in charge of the central committee of Iranian.com socialist democratic party by now, after spending so much time commenting on his blog, and having half of them deleted by dmin. But hey, It's Masoud's blog, right?!

On the positive note, the number of folks getting offended by being labled as islamist regime supporters is rather encouraging (remember the guy/gal with picture of ahmadinezhad as his avatar and proud of it"?? something to do with gaddafi and syria thing I wonder?? 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Bravo Libya's transitional council

 Learning from Libyan's transitional Council:

 "The council members' success, experts said, hinges on whether they can prevent a campaign of score-settling and persuade Libyans to unite around their shared experience of life under one of the world's most capricious dictators. How the rebels treat members of the former regime - such as deciding whether to prosecute them in Libya or through referral to the International Criminal Court - will be an early test of their principles.

"Truth and reconciliation is going to be necessary, but it's also going to have to be forgiving and generous," said Lisa Anderson, president of the American University in Cairo and a renowned expert on Libya. "There's no other way. Most of the people who stayed in Libya managed lives for their families by doing things that in the light of day they'd just as soon not talk about."

Securing the capital and its environs is at the top of the transitional council's to-do list, with a focus on preventing revenge killings by jubilant foot soldiers in their newly won territory. By late Monday, the council estimated that 95 percent of Tripoli was under rebel control, with clashes still under way in the last regime-held districts.

Human Rights Watch already has documented episodes of rebels engaging in vengeful violence, though the council's overall commitment to human rights is "wildly impressive," said HRW special adviser Fred Abrahams. He said the potential for a revenge spree remains high as Gadhafi's regime crumbles and loyalists melt back into the population.

"People are furious, angry, and have legitimate gripes and grievances against the dictatorship," said Abrahams, who was in Libya earlier this month.

Mustafa Abdul Jalil, head of the transitional council, threatened to resign if revenge acts proliferated. Abdul Jalil said he trusts the leaders of the rebel forces but is concerned they'll be unable to control their troops.""

 //www.idahostatesman.com/2011/08/22/v-print/1768672/for-libyan-rebels-forgiving-gadhafi.html

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'

Defending rights

There is a difference between defending rights of a criminal and denying it. I am all for a fair trial for all MKO members including Rajavi. But I oppose calling them freedom fighters.

In fact I would support open trials with even international observers. But the trials must be in Iran by and Iranian judge. This is different from those who call them "the democratic opposition".

Does anyone get what I am saying? Why is this so hard to understand! All MKO members should be reviewed. The review should be conducted according to law. By a well trained Iranian team of legal prosecutors. If there is evidence they should be indicted. Then tried and if found guilty sentenced as decreed by law. Meanwhile MKO as an organization should be banned for their obvious actions. Which are well documented and known. The Rajavi in particular have a large mass of criminal actions. They should be taken to Iran and held without bail. Others may have bail set if the system allows for it. Does this sound acceptable to all people.

Not So Fast VPK!

So in your wisdom you have concluded that the people here are either for or against MEK and that's the bottom line. Let's put a label on them and move forward. That sounds like W. Bush, "You are either with us or against us."

Totally wrong my friend. This is a little bit more complicated than being on the side of Yazid or Emam Husain.

There are different shades of gray and labeling people only works for simple minds. We need to learn to debate and understand other points of view and see who brings what to the table and who can be trusted with what. MEK is disliked by the overwhelming majority of Iranians like me and I don't believe that they have a place in the future of Iran, but they may or may not play a role in toppling the Regime. The Regime that put Hila Sedighi in prison for her poems.

If Roosevelt could work with Stalin to get rid of Hitler, maybe we could have a larger tent too.

Is the number one priority to get rid of the Regime, or is it to reform the Regime from within, or is it to make sure that there are no wars with the Regime?

A humor turning ugl.....

for as cloudy and dangerouse the situation is turning to

still hold my ambassodarian position in Qatar and choose only to swim in persian gulf without holding any plitical position.

Maziar

Suri, the answer is YES

Suri:  Is Masoud a true member of JM right now?

MK: Yes. I am a member of INF-OA.

BoosBoos

BoosBoos,

Send me your name and address. I will send you my mailing address. Our attorneys will take it from there. I look forward to this legal issue.

Masoud Kazemzadeh

Dear Suri

Suri: I just read Disenchanted comment right below mine's.

If I say that I agree with his comment :

To defend POMI/MEK civil liberties they end up defending their acts and denying documented cases of terrorism and treason.

Would you call me another IRI agent?

MK: Definitely not. You are NOT an IRI agent. You used to support the Tudeh Party. Although you are no longer a Tudeh Party supporter, you still have defended them on this site, if I remember correctly. The Tudeh and PMOI had a very nasty hatred for each other. In 1979, the Tudeh got close to Khomeini and strongly sided with Khomeini, including in the savage repression of almost all other forces. Let me repeat, the Tudeh Party (which you were a supporter of) strongly sided with Khomeini is the repression of almost all other forces.

On terrorism:

1. Khomeini was a TERRORIST. Do YOU agree?

2. Tudeh Party sided with Khomeini. Do YOU agree?

3. Should the U.S. State Department put all the Tudeh Party, and all its members, supporters, and sympathetic in the category of FTO?

4. Should the FBI go after any person who talks and helps officials of the TERRORIST regime?

This is called slipper slope. If YOU accept the principle, then all others can demand the equal application of it.

If you want to place the PMOI on the FTO, then YOU should also do the same for ALL those who collaborated with Khomeini from the moment that Khomeini engaged in terrorism. Lets say the beginning being Nov. 4, 1979 after the hostage taking. Or in 1981 after massacre of so many little kids.

Now, according to the State Department, the IRI is the no. 1 state sponsor of terrorism. This means that all the IRI officials are terrorist officials. This includes Rafsanjani, Khatami, Mousavi, Karrubi, and Javad Zarif (the terrorist regime ambassador the UN).

So, if anyone works with or collaborate with these TERRORIST, is also a terrorist: Right or wrong? 

On Treason.

The Tudeh Party was stoog (nokar) of the USSR. Many Iranians believe that the Tudeh Party committed treason. This includes the Shah’s regime. It includes the IRI regime. The role of the Tudeh Party during the time Stalin’s Red Army was occupying Iranian Azerbaijan province is TREASON. Therefore, if you agree with Disenchanted that the PMOI committed treason, the YOU have to agree that the Tudeh Party also committed treason and that YOU also committed treason.

You cannot have double-standards. There is no doubt that the Tudeh Party helped terrorism and committed treason. Therefore, by this logic, the Shah was right, and Khomeini was right in killing any and all Tudeh Party members and supporters. According to this logic that YOU support, you should have been executed by the Shah and the IRI.

Now, I believe in civil liberties. I oppose the Tudeh Party. But at the same time, I defend the civil liberties of the Tudeh Party and YOU. After the vf regime is overthrown, I will defend the right of the Tudeh Party to participate in the elections. According to the logic you embrace, you HAVE to oppose the participation of the Tudeh Party in elections and that you have to promote the policy of putting all the members and the Tudeh Party on trial for treason and terrorism.

Do YOU see why Disenchanted’s idea is bad?

I look forward to reading your response.

Best,

Masoud

یا قمر بنی‌ هاشم، حالا توابی هم شدیم؟..

Dienchanted: on serious note, I hate walking away from this short exchange, the only exchange I believe I have had with you on this site,  without achieving anything. So if  I may, let ,me leave you with a thought, just to consider , ok?

"Defence of a group of people's human rights and justice does not translate into a support for those people"

Which means, if you find me in the unlikely event of  defending the islamist regime's criminals from summary execution, sometime in certain futurs, dont take me as a VF supporter. It's just me, just how anal I have become about strict application of justice, as I get older. I have a feeling MK is the same !

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Me too, VPK!

But I do not think JM in general falls into the first category. Maybe some members do and some do not.

Neither do I.

My queustion is : Does Masoud speak for/from the JM officially? Or he is only stating his own personal view?

Is Masoud a true member of JM right now?

One word "MEK"

This whole fight boils down to one thing: MEK. We should drop the pretense and get right to the point. There are two point of view which I will try to summarize:

• Those who support or at least accept MEK with its current leadership as a legitimate political or military force in Iran.
• Those who refuse to accept MEK in any form at least with its leadership. In fact they want the leadership tried for treason.

There are variations on how to treat rank and file. Many on the second group want to pardon the rank and file but some doe not. But regarding the actual MEK and its leadership above applies.

Now we may go and rephrase this any way possible. But the basis does not change. I know that the anti-MEK side has people from very different points of view. From Mammad to I. Mammad and I agree on very little other than this. The other side may speak for itself. But I do not think JM in general falls into the first category. Maybe some members do and some do not. It crosses other political and religious barriers and views.

RG, congratulation on not advocating MEK!

         Losing face and sanity is not a threat and is not meant to be one either. It just is. One may lose their sanity for many reasons...

          Shall we say our arguments have been based on cases of "mistaken identity" then? :-)

Thank you Souri & SK for you fairness and intelligence

       and welcome to Pro VF camp! :-)  based on Masoud's distorted vision of the world!

"Opposing MEK puts me in company of 99.999% of Iranians"

Prove it with data.

as for your thinly vailed threat:

"I suggest your refrain from defending him and advocating MEK and save face and sanity!"

1)Now this one is a classic! Where did you learn to talk like this? this reminds me of the text messages we used to get on our cell phones ( during post election uprising in Tehran. Things like: We know who you are, stay at home if you know what is good for you. Our answer to those massages were a big Bilakh! (Of course no disrespect meant towards you :))

2) Shameless Lie!  Where the heck did I "Advocated MEK"?

Here my view, in plain English, about MKO and the other F###ing lobby group you say you have nothing to do with.

Read it. before accusing me.

//iranian.com/main/blog/roozbeh-gilani/despised-commis-verdict-niac-vs-mko-cat-fight

  And before I go:

Death to terrorist Islamist regime and all it's leadership and collaborators.

Long Live Iran

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

QUESTIONS FOR DR. KAZEMZADEH

Well Masoud jon

I just read Disenchanted comment right below mine's.

If I say that I agree with his comment :

To defend POMI/MEK civil liberties they end up defending their acts and denying documented cases of terrorism and treason. 

Would you call me another IRI agent?

I sware I am not one and I don't know who is Disenchated at all. 

Then, should I say what I think or should I not, by fear of being labelled?

PS- I am not a NIAC supporter either. I have mixed position regardin NIAC.

Soosan Khanoom and Tabarzin

Dear Tabarzin,

If you push it any more, I'll change it to Bani Umayah. Next time will change it to Al-Quraysh. Say hello to Abou Sofyan for me.

Dear SK,

Marhoom Kharmagas and Mola are both around but are too hungry before Iftar and too full after it to contribute. You have to wait till the end of Marazaan.

Dear Masoud

I'm not exactly a "supporter", but these two groups lean more towards my direction than any other I've seen.

All

Chill, will you? There's a lot of humor in what Masoud has posted. If you can't see it, it's because you take yourself too seriously! Of course I thank God he hasn't called me anything outrageous, but still... : )

Disenchanted and VPK

You two are right on points in your arguments about MEK ... Defending MEk by no means make sense ..... It is like letting Nazi sympathizers open an office in Tel Aviv ....  LOL 

Oon Yaroo

Can you imagine a bunch of you sit in a conference room day in and day out pontificating and making endless discussions without producing?I mean at work!

Yes that would be called a "Parliament". You do not need to reach a consensus. Instead you vote and whichever ideas get a majority move on. In fact you never get 100% agreement or even near it!