Iranian Liberal Democrat

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Salman Farsi,

I only read some of the posts. I have not read yours yet. Thank you for adding yor views.

Best,

Masoud

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Dear All-Iranians,

Thanks for the info. In Version 2.0, I will add you to the Independent group.

Best,

Masoud

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Dear Ayatoilet,

In earlier stages of development, humans identified with family, kin, tribe, and other primordial attachments. As human societies developed, more modern identities and attachments gained increased saliency. The more modern a polity is, the more we winess party affiliations. Parties as they develop, move away from personalities and develop ideologies, values, platforms, policy proposals.

Party affiliation show where people stand. Of course in a political system, we will have coalitions.

In American politics, we see that Obama and Clinton are Democrats, and Bush II and Romney are Republicans. And David Duke was a leader of KKK. And Sen. Bernie Sanders was a socialist (and now Independent).

There is nothing wrong with categorizing individuals to political affiliations. I might be right or wrong with my opinion about this or that poster. They can simply post their views.

Best,

Masoud

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Dear Reality-Bites,

Glad you liked it. Am I right about you being Independent?

Best,

MK

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Dear Faramarz,

I was going to write my opinion about Anahid and Suri, but decided not to. If they so desire, they could add their current or former affiliation with a party. Or you could write what you think.

Am I right about your affiliation?

Best,

Masoud

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Soosan Khanoom,

Please explain. Are you for or against Mousavi and Khatami? Are they for or against Nezam Velayat Faqih? Do you suggest, for example, that INF, Mossadegh, or Iran Liberal Party are not pro-democracy groups?

MK

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Roozbeh jaan,

Glad you liked it.

Best,

Masoud

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Dear Suri,

Where would you place Ms. Shifteh Ansari? I have read her posts supporting reformists (e.g. Mousavi, Karrubi, Khatami). I believe that my opinion is right. If she says that she opposed a opposes them and instead supports another group, I would be glad to make the correction. Shifteh is a credible person and if she says that she supports another group, I and others will accept her words.

Best,

Masoud

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Dear Parham,

So you support both NAMIR and Iran Liberal Party? Cool. Thanks for the clarification. I did not know that.

Best,

Masoud

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Dear Ali P.,

Thanks. I stand corrected. In Version 2.0, I will place you in the Independent category.

Best,

Masoud

This is such a biased blog

RG please hold on to your horses!

        MK has called me a member of NIAC and pro VF. I have questioned whether he is a MKO/POMI member!

       So which one is worse? Stating a plain falsehood or posing a valid question?Is it my fault that associationwith MEK is considered a shame and insult?!

         He stated that "likes of me have been killing like of him". I have advised him to travel to Camp Ashraf!

        I think my responses have been par for the course!

   Thanks.

SAVAK, SAVAMA live

parvandeh saazi, tohmat, efteraa... because you disagree with the views of others -- even anonymous others -- based on who you IMAGINE they are rather than arguing over ideas.

Keep fighting ghosts and avatars while the REAL enemy is in power in Iran. Those who dominate and oppress us are sitting comfortably and laughing at this pathetic mud-slinging among the "opposition".

WE want to build a democracy?

khejaalat khejaalat...

VPK and Souri Aziz

That’s fine with me if you see this blog as a serious one. I don’t. And I applaud anyone who opposes this brutal regime and the people who support it, specifically those who drag other issues into this conversation as a distraction.

I also don’t see myself as just an Independent. I am opposed to this Regime for what it’s doing to the Iranians and I will use every opportunity to speak my mind.

And we are going to have fun no matter what, or die trying!

Dear Arj

Thanks for that precision. Just in case, the fact that I cited "Liberal Democrats" doesn't mean I believe in a liberal economic system for Iran. I think each thing has its place and time. That "Liberal" refers to a free democratic system.

VPK

Well I am not gona mention Mr/Miss" Boos Boos", as a mere mention of her  name in my comments has made my comments disappear twice! so to comply with site rules, I commented about her own behaviour and baseless accusations against other site users, including myself on this site, in my own blog:

//iranian.com/main/blog/roozbeh-gilani/killing-little-kurdish-children-good

I know I have defennded you and others against the personal attacks, that is me. But frankly, masoud has been the target of astonishing, persistent personal attacks by a group of user ID's over, what it seems,  his comments about MKO de listing issue. Just look at the ones by user "disenchanted". 

The fact that Masoud is signing under his own real name and his attackers dont, is very significant here. No law degrees needed! 

VPK, calling your anonymous user ID a "loose canon" or even a "IRI agent" is very different from calling you, yourself a Terrorist. Can you not make a distinction?

Are you saying that Masoud  deserved all the nasty accusations for simply having the guts to stand up and say what he think, under his own name even if we dsiagree with him? Is this the Democracy you guys are  screaming about?.....

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

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Dear Parham, thank you for your impression of me as a democrat. Although I do not believe in such categorizations, I would consider myself a "socialist democrat" if I must! For in addition to commitment to democratic principles, I'm a firm believer in an egalitarian social system in which all members of society are treated equally and afforded the same opportunities. Especially in a society such as ours that has suffered from various forms of inequalities throughout ages!

LOL :-) I'll add a couple of more categories like:

        -- Zionists (some of those flagged by MK as independent! I Guess Netanyahu would be designated as independent on IC :-))

        -- Disguised and bashful MEK/POMI members. (Hum...let me see who)

        -- Plain idiots (Absence of this category folks have been assigned to other categories by mistake)

         ... and finally congratulations to NIAC team for having the honor of having me PRECEIVED as their member or supporter! :-)

          Hopefully MK gets to get a break and travel to his Nirvana Camp Ashraf! Don't forget to take your  Swimsuit and AK 47 :-) Mustache is not optional!

Useless!

Dears Faramarz and VPK,

I don't want to enter in this discussion to say which one of you is right or wrong, but if I may say a word about this blog,it is only: USeless!

Who needs to know who is defending what ideology and why?

And no, Faramarz jon, there was nothing humoristic in this blog. Not for a second, it t made me laugh, or even smile!

Sorry MK jon for being honest.

In the past, you posted some blogs of this sort which were  funny! But this one isn't funny! Indeed, it holds an undemocratic character in itself, which does not suit you at all.

Respects;

MK khan

you forgot the Iranian  social democratic ambassador to QATAR !

Maziar

Dear Faramarz

You are not going to whitwash this as "humor". The assertions by MK that some people are IRI agents are serious. These accusations must be substantiated or withdrawn. At the minimum he must clearly state this is his "opinion" and has no basis in fact. Otherwise I think BoosBoos does have a valid complaint. While being a MEK supporter is not illegal in USA; being an IRI agent is. 

Therefore he is making an accusation that if true will land someone in jail. We all know BoosBoos is a pseudoname. So how does he know this person works for IRI? He calls me a loose canon but goes off at people he barely knows.

I am truly disappointed in you; and many others on IC. This blog is probably the single most offensive blog I have read in my years on IC. It does directly attack many people without evidence. Not just public figures like Trita Parsi but IC posters. So I am at a loss how this is not violating IC rules. The more I think about this the less I like it. People have been banned for less offensive actions as this blog.

RG

Not long ago a person whose name I will never mention again accused me of slander and libel. With far less evidence than BoosBoos. For one thing I never mentioned any names. Nor did I make any definite assertions. 

This person claimed I had implied he/she was a supporter of MEK. In fact even if I had (which I didn't) it would have been no different than many American politicians openly do. I also think the person resides in EU where MEK is not even considered an FTO. So I could not have possibly put them in any danger. I did not see you come to my defense. Nor did I see others like MK or the rest of his "pro democracy" group do so. 

Therefore I will say you are being inconsistent at best. How is this alright for this person to basically threaten me. But not for BoosBoos to have his/her say? I will say your so called pro democracy group is anything but that. Your group wants to have its voice while stifling other groups. Oh I will take the heat but will you be willing to condemn that person? Will you say the same thing you said to BoosBoos to that person?

Beeb Beeb!

A sense of humor is a good thing!

"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not; a sense of humor to console him for what he is."  - Francis Bacon

"As long as you can laugh at yourself you will never cease to be amused!" - Unknown

"If you can look into the mirror without laughter, you have no sense of humor!" - Anonymous

Plucking a Chicken: Masoud Kazemzadeh

To: Masoud Kazemzadeh et al.  

Funny how Masoud Kazemzadeh feels it's okay to implicitly threaten people (in an attempt to silence them) by branding them  "IRI Ministry of Intelligence and IRGC." (Those types of statements actually violate both criminal and civil statutes because they attempt to silence a person by falsely placing them in a category where they fear actual harm.)

At his deposition, after I slide a copy of my law degree across the table and the text of the wire fraud statute (among several other laws), I'll ask him when I supposedly found the time to work for the  "IRI Ministry of Intelligence and IRGC."

(To those of you that employ this same tactic, let me tell you that the internet only gives the illusion of anonymity - you can still be identified and held to answer in court.) 

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Here's when Massoud Kazemzadeh decided to brand me "IRI Ministry of Intelligence and IRGC" ... because I objected to this: 

 "by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Sun Aug 21, 2011 03:03 PM PDT I believe that the PMOI is not a terrorist entity" 

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What some people, like Masoud, do is accuse Iranians that object to certain terror groups (like PMOI/MEK) as being "IRI Ministry of Intelligence and IRGC" as a means to silence them.  It's public knowledge that people were rounded up and sent to Guantanamo -- and for Iranians these types of threats have an implicit component of intimidation that brings a specialized fear to the community.  This guy thinks he can bully a vulnerable group of people to intimidate them from speaking out against the merits of his view point.    

Instead of personal recriminations, I'll show you how to handle some Masoud Kazemzadeh:

Masoud, if you not identify each fact, witness, document and item evidence in support of your baseless contention that I am with the "IRI Ministry of Intelligence and IRGC" I will ask the court to rule against you:

1. Please identify the dates I supposedly started working for IRI / IRGC.

2.  Please identify my alleged supervisor at IRI / IRGC.

3.  Please identify my years of service at  IRI / IRGC.

4.  Please identify by name any individual that has personal knowledge that I worked for IRI / IRGC at any time.   

5.  Please identify any fact, document, or item of evidence that shows that I have been employed at any time by the IRI / IRGC. 

6.  Please identify my name, date of birth, and employers for the past 10 years.  

( I am also demanding a retraction from Iranian.com and  Masoud Kazemzadeh)

VPK

None of us want Iran to end up in the same quagmire as Iraq. Whichever form of governance which Iran choses people will always rally around a charismatic leader. This is a common  characteristic trait of the middle east and Iran is no exception. We rally around leaders who have the gift of the gab such as Mossadeq, the Shah at one time and Khomeini and we also almost universally rejoice in their downfall. It is the same with Saddam, Gaddafi and Nasser in Egypt. 

I am afraid the soft-spoken well mannered intellectual who does not  promise the earth, free electricity, free houses does not have a hope in hell. This is what Ahmadinejad fully understands and can make outrageous public statements such as recently when he promised to reduce unemployment by 100% and get away with it. 

People in Iran like that even if they don't believe it deep down. They admire that and thats why they appeal to the masses.  

Another reason why the opposition to the regime has failed, apart from the interminable bickering, backbiting and backstabing there is no charismatic leader with the qualities of Mossadeq or Reza Shah. Rajavi is a crypto-Marxists madwoman and Reza Pahlavi, despite his best intentions, would probably be shot by a sniper's bullet on the first day he returns to Iran. He just won't survive the tough conditions of Iranian politics. 

A secular democracy will prevail but a strong man will occupy the seat of power.  Lets just hope he or she (not Maryam Rajavi) will be a benevolent ruler. 

Simorgh

Thanks! Now putting aside the jokes you are right. Artificial divisions only help the IRI. We do need to work together as Mehrdad says "Hambastegi". Is necessary to get us anywhere.

But I do worry that once IRI is gone we don't get something just as bad. In my opinion IRI is going out. This is the order: Libya; Syria; Iran. Therefore I think it is important to focus to post IRI right now. 

If not then we are going to have chaos. With everyone jockeying for power. We know MKO is already claiming the "Presidency". You bet NIAC will be playing a role. So will Karroubi; Ebadi; Mousavi. What do we do?

VPK

It just ain't fair. You get the coolest category from the good Doctor!

This blog amused me but seriously it is these divisions 'republicans', 'monarchists', 'Greens', 'NIACists' and other 'isms' which emboldens the Islamic Republic because it thrives on dissent amongst its enemies. 

We must stand united against our common enemy which murders 8 Iranians every hour and cause 10 Iranians to commit suicide in the evil society it has created.  

Dear Anahid

Yes, in fact he put himself on top of "pro democracy". This blog is very funny as to me it proves the delusions of some people. Please remember when people joke they usually have a message. 

MK is trying to delegitimize anyone who disagrees with him. In guise of humor but nevertheless the message is there. I don't mind because I figure people will decide for themselves.

What I find intereting is to see the real face of JM. I used to have respect for JM because of my mother's involvement. Now I realize that JM was nothing but bad news from the first day it was made.

Dear VPK and Shekar

I think this blog is funny. Note that at the top of Opposition, MK has his own name.

Dear Shekar

I agree with everything you say about MK. If people like him get in power they will make IRI look like heaven. But I am not for removing this blog. This blog serves as the greatest indictment of MK.

His own words are his greatest enemies and prove what he stands for. Let this blog stand and be on IC forever. As a reminder to what false "democrats" really want.

Interesting no MEK

In the "Professor" MK groupings. Is he saying there are no MEK supporters at all? None on IC? But of course anyone who says anything good about MEK is automatically a "pro democracy" in his twisted categorization. Sorry dude we are not so stupid to fall for this. 

PS,

Thank you dear Mehrdad for your kind words. Of course we may disagree but I have the highest respect for you. 

Mr. Javid

Why is this irresponsible individual allowed to run his mouth and keyboard like this? Many site members have been labeled and incorrectly/unfairly categorized in this witch hunt/blog. In any other respectable website, this user would be warned and banned for the mass labeling and accusations he has dished out to those who have disagreed with him in the past.

Does freedom of speech mean your contributors should have no protection from idiotic accusations and personal attacks? 

This blog serves as evidence of why some Iranians will never learn anything from the past and if given any power at all, they would act just as, if not more, brutally as the Islamic Republic when it comes to questioning and labeling people's conscience and political orientation.

"Hossein Bazjoo" and his staff at Kayhan should move over and make some room for "Massoud Bazjoo".

Simply disgusting.

Well, if push came to shove

And shove came to "pas gardani",  I would categorize myself as a "Nobody", but I can live with Independent (though I'm seriously dependent on choc-chip muffins,..... thank heavens I have a fast metabolism).

To Dear Dr MK

And to those who may not know us; we proudly consider ourselves as the Independents

Islamic Democracy

Please file me under this category

شکرا جزیلاً 

For an Islamic democracy

Ali jan, I did not think

you are a monarchist either. But then I did not think Shifteh is reformist either.

By the way

You can add "Arj" to the democrats, although I couldn't tell you his (her?) exact stance in detail.

Not that there is anything wrong with it....

Masoud jaan:

I am flattered for being mentioned.

 I am always confused about issues, and I always find myself arguing for or against different views.

You have labeled me as "Ali P. ,Monarchist (Constitutionalist)".

 (Not that there is anything wrong with it....!)

But I wouldn't.

I am for a (secular) democracy in Iran, and that's all.

Yours,

Ali P.