masoudA

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Why am I not surprised!

capt_ayhab: been there done that...

I can read Haifan Baha'i techniques and their various supporters like the Sunday funnies. Your motivations in what you said were completely transparent to me, although you are backpeddling now where Marge is concerned, so it's not all lost.

Anyone who knows all the facts cannot defend the indefensible where these Haifan Baha'is are concerned unless, that is, they are 1) not in possession of all the facts and have been duped and misled by the former (which happens a lot) or 2) have a self-interest in defending the indefensible which has nothing to do with the reasons actually stated. Period!

Now since Marge has suggested we start discussions regarding conspiracy theories, I will offer this. I believe the Haifan Baha'i establishment and the establishment of the (un)Islamic republic are hand in glove and have been working together from the very beginning. The rank and file on both sides may be unaware of this and would find it unbelievable, but the facts suggest that both establishments utlimately answer to the same master. The journalist Robert Dreyfuss outright wrote this in his book some 30 years ago:

...Today the Bahai
cult is hated in Iran, and is considered correctly to be an arm of the
British Crown. During the destabilization of the Shah in 1978, it was
widely reported that in several instances the Bahai
cult secretly funded the Khomeini Shi’ite movement. In part, the money
would have flowed through the cult’s links to the same international
‘human rights’ organizations, such as Amnesty International, that
originally sponsored the anti-Shah movement in Iran. These movements
also derive from the “one world” currents associated with the Bahais
since the early 1900s. (If any Iranians have been misled on the
question of the Bahais by the supposed antipathy of Khomeini’s clique
to the Bahais, it should be noted that the Bahai cultists often deliberately encouraged anti-Bahai activities as camouflage)...

Marge

You are deflecting but that is OK. Sorry the search for truth disgusts you. I will let you have the last word, so lets leave things there.

Stop it Asteroid

I don't need to google anyone. Stop it. Just stop it. You're disgusting me. I don't need to investigate him. I'm not interested. I already told you that I'm not arguing about Nur-i-Azal with you. I'm arguing about the plain fact that I hate Bahai religion, as I do the other religions. The way the Bahais treated him was evidence to demonstrate what I'm saying. Case closed.

There is enough evidence to analyze both sides in this "fight" without googling. Yekh. Religion... what would we have without it? Harmony? Oh who needs that?

Marge

Google the guy on the internet and see his activities. I am a fair person and I did some research of my own before making up my own mind.

Faryar may have not done the right thing in publishing his picture but they have suffered through his anti-bahai propaganda on the internet, and perhaps were frustrated and wanted people to see exactly who is posting all the offensive stuff against Bahais.

Did you see that he made a page about Faryar calling him a Bahai Basij? He continually attacks JJ, but JJ still allows him post his stuff here. People can only take so much before they snap.

Despite his propoganda and behavour I still like Nur, but it is wrong to support and cheer malicious stuff. Just because you like someone it does not mean you forget right and wrong. Do you understand? 

Actually, they don't defend themselves

They attacked him. They even posted pictures of him and painted graffitti. FaryarMM even went so far as to post his information. It was disgusting, but I'm sure it felt good. When NUR posted something about certain advertisements that were running here, JJ called him a "miserable moron." I am not saying NUR is even right. I'm saying that as God loving people who respect prophets galore, they sure did a sh*tty job of demonstrating it. I'm sure lots of people rushed to join their nearest Bahai chapter. 

Excuse me?

"everything I've seen with the Bahahi's interaction with him here proves how hypocritical religious people are"

Care to explain? The fact that they are provoked regularly and have to defend in order to stop lies getting out? You really are something else ...

Actually, I am the devil. Give due respect.

I saw what he wrote in defending himself against your and others' charges that he is brainwashed. I'm not defending NUR, he is very good at that. I'm just observing, and everything I've seen with the Bahahi's interaction with him here proves how hypocritical religious people are. "Do what I say, not what I do!" We're crazy. You're right. Have a nice day. Hopefully you found this comment more satisfying.

Thank you for better articulating my "religion is BS" mantra. I appreciate it Captain. 

Marge you are devious

People have already explained things to you. The difference between constructive criticism and hate speech and fabrications. You see the same material posted than the rest of us do, your cheer it on. So do not twist things .

I am wasting no more time on you. Now go think about it if you wish but do not think you can fool anyone with your own brand of BS.

CAPTAIN

Thanks for your post. But I have seen Marge's behaviour and posts on anti-Bahai blogs and she accuses those that defend as attackers. And she does this while seeing the material and history of persons involved. So I have lost respect for her and do not trust her at all. Shepesh is spot on .

AstroidX - Edited

With all due respect, one thing that does not become of Marge is being a bigot. 

I have seen enough of her threads and comment to assure you of that. I have always admired her candid views and comments on variety of subject and this one is of no exception.

She strongly believes that institutionalized religion breeds animosity and hatred. Just look around us sir, throughout the history, the worst bloodshed's been under the holy name of one religion or the other. I say this with clear conscious while being a Muslim by choice [although I am known to be a halfa@@ed one for that fact].Every religion including one I adhere to are guilty as charged.

Marge does not need my support because she is a quite capable woman and has all the rights to express her opinion. I say these just to be fair. She has a very valid and strong point when she says[Stop trying to turn one guy into Adolf Hitler.]

I do admire her for saying so, while I am on record for criticizing the gentleman[Mr. Nur] myself.

Respectfully

-YT

What does human rights have to do with it?

Again, you are missing the point. I don't deny them human rights. I am judging religions as BS. Big difference. Probably not to you. Oh well. I'm devious and evil, wooh there's that religious lingo. Pardon me for calling Shepesh a Bahai. How rude! I haven't been around here for a while.

asteroid

wise comments....

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IRAN FIRST

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You're very rude Marge and devious

Your religion is a bunch of BS.

Noone is attacking you, people are just saying that lies about Human Rights and cheering them on are not respectful behaviour.

Shepesh is no Bahai, nor is Captain , nor am I. We are talking Human Rights.   You get over your own bigorty, and get some manners.

so what? that has nothing to do with my point

you can attack me more and more. I don't care. Your religion is a bunch of BS. Like the other religions, it is holding the world back and dividing people. You produce nothing but you recycle the ideas of other religions.  I don't care about Iran or what it does. It doesn't change what your religion, and the rest of the religions of the world are: empty, except when it comes to money. 

you can keep using IRI trials and policies against me, I don't care. I'm sticking with it. go meditate on that. 

I still love you as a person. I love all people. Shed that stupid religion. Your life will improve immensely.  

To answer your interrogation: yes, I'm anti-Bahai. I'm also anti-Islam, anti-Judah, anti-Buddah, and anti-Christ. whoops. I'm pro-people. Pro-reason, pro-logic, and anti-BS. Things that are foreign to most religious gurus. Get over it. 

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Oh Shepesh..... just look at you. poor thing.

What I say is a problem for people in Iran? LOL! 

What I said is that all religions, including your precious Bahai, are complete bullshit schemes that sell people fakery and operate as handsome tax havens. It's funny to me how you, and others before you, rushed to discredit Nur. You posted a picture of him and called him a psychotic. I almost bought it and I even agreed and said "please be careful. he may hurt himself or others." Then I read what he wrote. I observed you and others (if you're the same guy, hello!) who obsessed and how you attacked him over and over. Never engaging what he described about your organization. The only one that attempted this was to say "No one is perfect. Bahai is not perfect, so what?" 

I know enough about Bahai and its fakery. Are you quizzing me on the deen? And the more I learned about it, I realized how much you are all plagiarizing by labeling "Bahai." The Bahai library shelf of books is immense. Holy crap that is genius. Scientologists operate largely the same way. You have to read books to understand their books. It's like every other pyramid scheme in the world, and I feel sorry for anyone who has to rely on such bullshit to find peace in life. But that's life. People do dumb things. They're free to.

Are Bahais treated badly in Iran? Unequally? YES! I did not even discuss that, but it's interesting that you use those deaths and persecutions against me. Not my problem. Fight your crusade with someone else.  

Finally, Nur may be wrong or nuts or every thing terrible you claim he is. SO what? Why do you all continue to engage him if he is some lone nut? I said this to FaryarM As well. 

...

Marge: [There is in fact a difference between criticism and hate.]

Mr. Nur: As you wish, however attacking me for criticizing you and calling me [apparatchik] without knowing me only demonstrates your deep seated  resentment toward anyone who criticisms you in a civilized manner. 

Mr. masoudA, due apology for posting off the topic.

-YT 

"Do not think you can brainwash the likes of me"

No, you are already brainwashed beyond redemption and hence a lost cause. No one can get through to you - ever! QED

Ayhab doesn't sound like a Muslim to me. Instead he sounds like one of the many pretend voices you people wheel out to give blind support to your positions on various places on the internet. For all I know, he/she is yet another apparatchick of your Bahai Internet Agency.

But I do find it immensely gratifying that the people attacking me on this site are now exclusively composed of 1) Hezbollahi IRI clowns and 2) you guys. This is proof I am doing something right, and this fact gives me immense gratification. Birds of a feather and all ;-)

Now go chill out somewhere.

Ya NUR

Save your rambling nonsense for the ignorant

Do not think you can brainwash the likes of me , Captain Ayhab or others with your vendetta and bile. Decent people will always stand up for Human Rights and will never be taken in by the likes of you. Write your long rambling nonsense and distortions, but be prepared for responses from the people who want a better Iran. And not the likes of you as their role model. There are many people with differing political views on this site, but what we all have in common is Human Rights. Your hangers on could be called anything, including Marge. The name does not matter, but decent people will stand up for Bahais whether it suits your malicious agenda or not.

It is Muslims standing up to you now like Ayhab, me and others. That must hurt.

Shepesh

Slander is audible, spoken words. Libel occurs in the written, published medium. No member of your organization has been slandered by me online, albeit I am well aware of quite a bit of actionable slander by your organization directed at me personally, as well as outright actionable libel, like this, for example:

(Note the allegation that I am in  the service of the Islamic republic has recently been publicly retracted by the Haifan Bahais who were quite vocal about it for three straight years)

Now if you believe there is any item of this blog  linked below that has unfactual material, by all means go for it and draw our attention to these errors of fact and let's discuss them:

If there are no errors of fact that you can argue with, then your allegation that I am lying is without substance and just unwarranted rant and unsubstantiated innuendo.

Moreover, this is what instance now you people have unfairly attacked Marge for calling a spade a spade? Do you not see how ridiculous you people make yourselves look whenever you do this? Do you not see that you are actually confirming to a largely neutral audience here that what I am saying (and what others besides me have been saying) is actually true? Do you also not see that your organization's systematic attempts to marginalize me out of this site have spectacularly failed and backfired? Think about it and stop being reactive! Even the obnoxious Hezbollahi pro-IR crowd on IC behave a lot better in the face of valid criticisms than you guys do here. Grow up and rein in your unbridled, bruised egos!

Finally, capn_ayhab and your attendence here on this specific blog has thus far been completely off-topic. Can you people kindly stay on topic for once? This is MasoudA's blog. Show this poster some courtesy, please. JJ ought to institute a strict on-topic policy here to prevent these escalating off-topic sort of back and forths.

MasoudA, sorry, man!

Ya NUR

Dont play games

Madam dont even bother playing that number with me - attack? I am simply saying to you, as others have done previously, that you should find out FACTS before publically cheering such persons on. You use wisecracks to lighten his behaviour which is causing suffering to people on this site.

You say you hate the religion but what do you know about it? Especailly when you use the word HATE? This is a serious matter to people who are being abused and on death row in Iran. He says the people murdered in Iran as bahais were criminals - do you think that is criticism? What do you know about this to put his allegations into context?

Now if you want to be playful with Mr Azal, chose another topic to be playful about but please use sense and judgments with regards to bigotry and slander where peoples lives are concerned.

Now it's about attacking me. Take a number.

Listen, I agree with him that Bahai, like most other "major" religions, is a corrupt corporate structure and sweet tax haven. 

I don't hate Bahai people, just their religion. Stop trying to turn one guy into Adolf Hitler. People can criticize Israel without hating Jews. 

Marge

You are always quick to defend Nur-i-Azal with regards to Bahais. What do you know about his allegations and what do you know about the Bahai faith? I remember you were ever present on his Bahai bashing blogs cheering him on without knowing anything about Bahais. Before you make a differentiation between criticism and hate with regards to his slander of these people you should consider educating yourself with the Bahai faith and his website. Talk to Bahais and then make a judgment, otherwise you display yourself in a negative light.

Do you know he has said that their Human Rights violations are largely bogus? That the people executed in iran were criminals ? Do you know that he has said that their 7 leaders deserve the death penalty? That he advocates ethnic cleansing of Bahais (wants them out of Iran)?

If any of his allegations were true Human Rights organisations would take notice, but the fact that has got nowhere with his allegations and resorts to posting on websites, harassing these people who are already being subjected to abuse in Iran, displays the truth about this man who has a vendetta against these people for personal reasons.

You have seen his comments and posts under different avetars. What does that say about the man and what does your cheering of him say about you?

Great response, Nur

:)

There's a difference between criticism and hate. 

From the creators of South Park - America F*&@ Yeah!

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

capt_ayhab

Malcolm X once poignantly said that when the "Negro lays bare the hypocrisy and brutality of the white man without mincing his words, he is labelled a racist!" These words can be applied to you here in your half-digested and ill informed opinion regarding what I do where the Haifan Bahai community is concerned. Like the white man's brutality towards people of color, this group has a similar charge to answer to history regarding brutalities and lies it has perpetrated against a series of groups and peoples. If you're interested, I can show you the evidence. If that makes me hateful in your world, so be it. Better to be hateful and stand on the side of no-holds-barred truth and justice (speaking the Truth to corrupt power even if it be the acme of blasphemous heresy), since in my world this is a supreme act of Love, then to be a air headed fluff bunny full of empty love and hot air perpetuating hype, lies, half-truths and injustices in the name of something else. Where I come from, Truth is a precious commodity to be safe-guarded and fought for "by any means necessary"! And this is a common destiny that should be chosen by every person of conscience everywhere.

Ya NUR

Mr. Nur

Throughout this year and a few weeks of reading and masalan contributing in this site I have seen so many comments form you.

I am going to be very honest  and up front with you in admitting that I hold no candle to your intellect and brilliance, both in knowledge and elegance.

HOWEVER................. your extreme views , particularly when it comes to freedom of choice is utterly disheartening if not repulsive.

Your intellect and knowledge can and will be such a powerful tool in educating the otherwise ignorant, only IF you tried to denounce your hatred and animosity toward a group of people who have the right to chose their own destiny.

Nasihat nist.................. You are using your power in wasteful fashion as Glen Beck uses his audience.

-YT 

Where there's smoke......arson!

The US government is really a piece of work. I hope I don't get arrested for this comment, by the way. During the 50s and 60s, they really went on a murder spree. I can't believe people still trust the government at all. When students learn history in class, I wonder if they don't naturally realize this: "Hey, all these assassinations within a few years. War. Terrible, devastating, illegal war. Something is suspicious - Oh American Idol is on!"

South Park is real. 

The murder of Malcolm X: FBI + NOI collusion

There have been persisting allegations for years that J Edgar Hoover's FBI set-up the NOI, and specifically the faction around Elijah Mohammad headed by Luis Farrakhan, to assassinate Malcolm X on that fateful day at the Apollo theatre in 1965. Apparently the potential of Malcolm X after his break with the NOI was far more dangerous to the estabishment (and obviously damaging to the NOI itself) than when he had been with them. That should tell you something about the NOI and who is scratching whose back. Many believe that Farrakhan and his Nation of Islam are actually agent provocateurs of the establishment itself and have been since the early 1960s. How else could they continue to thrive in America virtually unchallenged?

Now there's a real life conspiracy for you, Marge.

We didn't land on Plymouth Rock. Plymouth Rock landed on us!

love you back Marge

-YT