MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan

Dear Cameron

I am sorry, I just don't buy your arguments regarding Kaveh and regarding your patriotism. The test for being a better Iranian or more of an Iranian patriot does not mean that you have to defend the regime, its so called "achievements" (there aren't to many) or its idiotic foreign policy at any cost.

I to got my ass seriously kicked in high school as a 17 year old in America when I defended and stood up for Iran when the Americans were clearly favoring the Iraqis in 1987-1988. You know exactly which period I am talking about don't you? And I was a little twinky Jewish kid getting my ass kicked defending the Khomeini regime even though I  hated the akhoonds; when my country was attacked I chose my country regardless of who was runnig it. We are no different my freind.

However, my love for Iran does not mean and translate to a blanket support for every IRI action; it does not mean acting dumb and not looking at the other side of the story; and it does not mean lying to myself pretending that the IRI has had great achievdement as some of you people pathetically do here. Were the French partisians who were attacking their own government which supported Hitler patriots or traitors?

Did you counter any of Kaveh's specific points regarding IRI accomplishments or give us any objective facts as he did? No. You took the typical easy road out (like the IRI does) by bringing Israel into this picture and bringing such names as Zion/Mazloom even though they are not even part of this conversation.  Either give objective facts as to why Kaveh is wrong instead of the Zionist card or SHUT THE HELL UP!

Just because they are anti IRI or see things differently regarding IRI, does not make them less of a patriot than you.

KN, Yes Iranians have progressed during the last 30 years too

Time does not stand still. You and a few others do not have any love for Iran, you are kissing ass all day long with the airhead "I'm christian, I'm white, I must be right!who goes by the name of AF on this website insulting us. Who died to make you an Iran expert?

Your allegiance is to Zionism and Israel as you have mentioned it many times on this website. We on the other hand care for Iranian and American people that's why we try to mend the broken relation between Iranians and Americans. You are serving your Zionist bosses when it comes to international or Middle East by demonizing Iranians, Stop the hate now! 

Kaveh

It is true that most if not all the air crafts and automobiles in Iran are copied from some other models. But bare in mind that Reverse Engineering is THE way go for country like Iran, who has been under severe embargo.

In another word, Why invent the wheel again ? If you can use the technology, however in its rudimentary form, why start from ground zero? I say not these to support IR regime, in which my position is clear, but you have to admire Iranian engineers and scientist for having overcome huge obstacles in production of almost everything.

As to Tehran Metro, French pulled out after the Akhund mutiny, and young Iranian engineers with some Chinese help finished it. I should know about it since my brother, who is a heavy duty civil engineer, and who teaches in Amir Kabir as well as owning his engineering consultation firm,  was the lead structural engineers in charge of excavation and rerouting of the overhead traffic and design and installation of temporary bridges over the inter section.

Kaveh, although I do not agree with many of your positions and opinions, you know I respect you. However I am rather disappointed in you for your deliberate belittlement and demeaning tone regarding Iranian engineers and scientists, irregardless of IR regime. These people who have designed and implemented these [rudimentary] technologies have my utmost respect, and YOU should be proud of their achievements as well.

FYI; take a look at this news thread from today:

//iranian.com/main/news/2009/05/13/iran-moves...

Regards

-YT

Cameron jan, don't mention cloning

;-) Kaveh would call that  "copying" and worthless

The more these people are ashamed of their own heritage, religion and background, the more the proud Iranians would achieve scientifically and in engineering and industry.

And artificial Intelligence, before you open your ignorant mouth as usual, do a quick google check on the stuff you write at least, you won't be making a public ass out of yourself so frequently then!

//www.payab-zamzam.com/Resalat.htm

Sorry Meybokhor for diverting your blog. I will end my intrusion by a poem I wrote for Fred when his blood was boiling over Iran's new achievements in space technology:

خبریست نو رسیده، تو مگر خبر نداری
جگر حسود خون شد، تو مگر جگر نداری
قمریست رو نموده پر نور برگشوده
دل و چشم وام بستان ز کسی‌، اگر نداری

Artifi. Intel. You are right!

  Defending Akhoonds is disgusting.A regime which promotes religious fanatics, oppression of civil rights and … the list goes on and on.  N o one needs to point that out.But, belittling our country and our nation is sickening!  You or anyone else would never ever be able to accuse ME of being an IRI apologists.  I opposed this regime from day one since I was a kid … failed in classes like Arabic and ‘Koran’ and had to go through ‘Tajdidi’ on those subjects.Refused to participate in Namaz during lunch breaks and stood on the side alone in the school yard, looking at all other boys bending up and down.  Being hated by our newly arrived revolutionary idealist teacher form US, having my father called to the school etc.So please…. KN and anyone else who belittles Iran, and Iranians are no more than wolves in sheep’s clothing (well in NK’s case a goat’s clothing).He and many others here defend Israel and their reason hating IRI is NOT because of the nature of IRI, but because IRI is an enemy of Israel.  Let see if they would oppose Israel if IRI would change their policy and support that sadistic regime! Now I got some news you for you.   If it means that I have to put up with akhoonds instead of a bunch fascist racists heartless animals called in charge of Israel tearing my country apart, using so called usable nukes on us, or have psycho soldiers brought up playing violent video games, ravishing Iran, I rather have akhoonds.As far as Iran’s achievements, Shah may have had planned and stated projects.  I am very well aware of what exactly was going on in Hezbe Rastakhiz -  more than you can imagine.  All the planning by Mir Heydar, Manoocher Azadi and many many more … but they are GONE!  Get it and get over it.IRI IS IN charge now and they will not let go of power any time soon.That means they are the guardians of that ‘Marz o boom’ …  good or bad…. That is beside the point.  I don’t care about regimes …  for me they are all the same because our people are not in charge.  Because our people still believe in this emamzadeh and that emamzadeh …  because our people would still kiss Shah’s feet as they did before and or anyone else who is power.Now …  all these morons, belittling Iran and Iranians are just taking the wind of Iran and Iranian’s confidence and delaying progress and education. If you really love Iran …  you would cheer and defend every single achievement – whether it was planned 30 or 50 years ago or yesterday …  whether it was monarchists or Islamists or communists … becduase what is built in Iran stays in Iran …  cause know how remains in Iran .  Help if you can and if you can’t … then SHUT THE HELL UP! 

Dear MeyBokhor- when it comes to Iran

مست ریا است محتسب باده بنوش و لا تخف

Mola

If you see the past 30 years in Iran as "progress", then you must see the rest of the industrialized world moving at "warp speed".

By vomiting Israel into the debate, you have proven once again that you really have no leg on which to stand.

This is about Iran and Iran alone, not anyplace else.

What you perceive as hatred for Iran and Iranians on my part is actually deep love I have for Iran, down to the bone. But loving my homeland does not mean that I'm going to turn a blind eye to or otherwise ignore her mistakes, her shortcomings, and her failures.

Jaleho

If you are here, using the resources and assets of a country for which you feel nothing but total contempt, it's everyone's business, not just mine.

Once again, you demonstrate your belief that if it were not for the likes of the Indian and his followers, nothing in Iran would be accomplished. You are certainly entitled to hold the lowest standards possible.

If Iran's present defense industry is so exemplary, then why are the mollahs so desperate to get spare parts for all of the F-14s? Why not just stick with these fine examples of modern military technology like:

The Azarakhsh & Saegheh fighter planes, which are copies of a Northrop F5 from 1959. Or.....

How about the Parastoo training aircraft, which is a copy of a 1947 Beechcraft Bonanza?

Maybe the ultra-modern Shabaviz and Panha helicopters, which are recycled Bell Jet Rangers and Huey Cobras from the 1950s and 60s.

Would you prefer the T72 tank, from 1967?

If air-to-air missiles are your glass of chai, we have the AIM-54 Phoenix, another copy of a U.S. missile from the early 1960s

Shall we review the various Chinese-made items?

Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery, but it is not an achievement.

Borj-e Milad is nice, yes, but bragging about having the fourth tallest tower in the world? The tallest tower is the CN Tower in Toronto. Why don't you tell us about the second and third tallest? See how many people you can find from the countries where those two towers stand who will boast about it.

Iran is the biggest car exporter in the ME. Name just one car that is exported from Iran that is 100% Iranian--design, engineering, research and development, all of it. Slapping a Persian name on a French or Russian piece of crap is nothing. 

Remember when you mentioned shit? Repackage it and call it fertilizer, and the masses will give you money. Take it home, open up the package with the pretty picture of the beautiful flowers in full bloom, or the ripe, hearty vegetables, and what do you have?

Shit.

Such a good nokar

A propagandist says:

Shah was a nookar who was supposed to give away Iran's oil CHEAP to Americans, and buy their military stuff EXPENSIVE to give his American masters a double win. And he did exactly that. That's why we didn't have a defense industry before and we have a very good one now. And, Iran IS the biggest car exporter in the ME, and among the few countries in the world with a nuclear and space program.

Shah must have been such a good nokar, but for whom? For people of iran!

Everything that we see today in iran, and I mean everything is from shah's period, built or planned there; including nuclear and all the industries. Only blind would not see that, even if they themselves had to run away from the blessing that was bestowed upon them in 1979. If sheh was that bad and IRI is that good, I wonder why even islamists are running away from the what they praise into the arms of what they despise?

And what happened to the oil for the past 30 years, except for filling personal bank accounts and paying hush money to any arab thug in the ME.

What a confused person! Make a visit to iran to see if you can live there for a month before beating the drums of cheers for the thugs there; and make sure visit any embassy there to see how iranians line up to beg for visa even from backward countries to run away from IRI the same way that YOU run away before clapping for IRI achievements, murder, thievery, thuggery, and nothing else.

KN following the direction of your mustache your s... has moved

to your brain hence the old right-wing progaganda that comes from the head. In your delusion you see an Iran that has stood still for 30 years or 100 years or 1400 years. Iranian nation was not born 60 years ago like your beloved "Israel". Iranians progress under any regime or any system. Iranians are like SEEMORGH, they rise from the ashes.

Who are you to put down a whole nation's progress? You always spew your hatred and ignorance about Iran and Iranians. Just because you were born there does not entitle you to badmouth a nation. 

Kaveh, I am not kind enough

If you ask questions that are none of your business, I'll simply say, "It is none of your business."

Your type are also so funny by your statements: Metro or air port, or parks...are holdovers from monarchy." Yeah right, Shah talked about metro system for a good 20 years. But, who built the metro system silly? who built the fantastic roads and highways,  univesities and health centers in so many villages around Iran? Sure Shah might have dreamed about it, but he was too busy bribing the foreigners who brought him to power through a coup. Shah was a nookar who was supposed to give away Iran's oil CHEAP to Americans, and buy their military stuff EXPENSIVE to give his American masters a double win. And he did exactly that. That's why we didn't have a defense industry before and we have a very good one now. And, Iran IS the biggest car exporter in the ME, and among the few countries in the world with a nuclear and space program.

Now, you want to belittle every Iranian achievement by your own "oghdeh khod kam bini?" Go ahead. Proud Iranians are breaking new limits in every field despite a vicious attempt of western isolation and sanction. The independent Iran despite a devasating war that lasted almost 1/3 of the entire life of IRI, has achieved ten times what any country under colonial yoke would have been able to achieve.

pssst, and Kaveh, for your info, Iran's Resalat tunnel is far better than Boston's most expensive, failed-few-times-project. And, Milad tower that your type again makes fun of, is a beautiful and powerful project too. Go to Iran sometimes so your words carry some weight.

Exchange of Saberi with Iranian prisoners in Iraq

//news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090512/us_time/0859....

Khoob gofti Meybokhor jan

yeh ham chin shakhsi to Amrica hatman saresh as Guantanamo dar miumad.

Roxana Saberi

Do you really believe that the Islamic Republic would have let her go if they really thought she was guilty? Everybody knew she will evenutally be let go. I think she just naive for copying the document.

No, Jaleho

Shit is shit, no matter where it is. The difference lies in what is done with it. The IR prefers to let it pile up.

If you can tell me that what's going on in Iran is so wonderful, then kindly explain why you aren't there yourself, basking in it.

I am not going to declare that the U.S. is perfect. It's far from it, in virtually every single respect that you can imagine. But only a fool would equate the so-called "justice system" in Iran with that of the United States.

Your problem is that you're living in a state of denial, fed by an exaggerated sense of nationalistic pride. What is it that you can say has been accomplished? What are you so proud of?

The new airport? That and the subway are both holdovers from the days of the monarchy.

The atomic program? They use a lot of processes that are practically obsolete.

The automobile manufacturing industry? Correction...it's automobile assembly. Is assembling crappy, out-of-production Peugeots in Iran that were equally crappy when they were in production in France something to be proud of?

Is it the petroleum industry where we have to pay to send our own oil to India, pay to have Raj and Kumar refine it, then pay to have the gasoline and other refined products shipped back?

Are you proud of the sense of justice, fairness, integrity, honesty and equality with which Baha'is, Jews, Christians, and women are treated in Iran?

Shall we all pat ourselves on the back?

Dear "MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan"

Double standard is well known on Iranian. This concerns the published articles, the featured blogs and news, the communication; this site is becoming more and more a digital platform for the publisher´s self-fulfilment.

Dear hossein.hosseini, I agree with you, as long as we don´t know the true facts, we shouldn´t judge.

Kaveh-Nouraee

you seem to find every shit in the US smelling like beautiful flowers and everything in Iran smelling like shit, no? Your arguments regarding spy activity and visiting banned countries reminds me of Anonymous Fish who defines executions in Iran as murder and lethal injection in the US as punishment of the guilty.

Tell you what, she seems to have a twin, maybe that would be a perfect match for you, ever tried?

We Don't know everything

While the author makes some good points, I just wanted to add that we don’t know everything about this case and will probably never know.  For example, initially she was arrested on charges of possessing a bottle of wine, did they then search her house and found these copied ‘documents’?
It is as if I get arrested for a traffic violation and then they search my house and found that I also cheated on my taxes and be charged with  ‘tax evasion’.

Looks like there is a double standard for Iranians and non-Iranians.  As I recall the British Sailors were clearly spying in Iranian waters and were released with all kinds of fan-fair.  I just hate this double standard. 

I agree with JJ; if you are a journalist in Iran or visiting Iran, you are under double scrutiny. To me Roxana has chosen to be in Iran and in many ways has contributed to a better view of the country and her people by her reports on PBS and BBC.  She could have chosen to stay in comfort of her home in Dakotas.  

If she gets any fame or shame as a result of her work, then so be it.  She deserves it.  Despite many negative news, I see some young Iranian Americans taking the time and risk involved to visit Iran searching perhaps for their identity. For that, I admire them. 

Hostage taking

WAR and Hostage taking are two of the IRI component that has been practiced to consolidate power. Dealing and bargaining for the sake of having room to manuver for a better spot was and has been the political landscape of IRI and change in behavior will not come about easily... the word ABUSE....has the word USE embeded into it and IRI is practicing its old tradition

I have said it from the get

I have said it from the get go, her arrest and conviction had nothing to do with her guilt or innocence. More than likely it was a political game with the powers in Iran.

And guess who won????? If you guessed anyone other than Antarinejad you are wrong.

One thing that puzzles me though, How in the hell did she gain access to those alleged classified documents in the first place? Were they just laying there and was she left alone with them long enough to take them to copier and make copies?

Regards

-YT

Fairness for all

Meybokhor, of course I would defend an Iranian who has been unjustly accused by the Americans, or the Israelis or the British or any other government. I am sure there are Iranians being unjustly held by Americans in Iraq today.

And the innocent don't even have to be Iranian. To be fair, we must defend innocent individuals whether they are in Evin, Guantanamo or Gaza -- without regard to nationalist feelings.

Dear Mr. Javid

All I was wondering about was if you would have called the US judiciary "Olagh" if an Iranian-American citizen was arrested in DC posessing copies of classified documents.

And do not put words in my mouth. I thought we carried on a civilised exchange of ideas here.

I do not defend the acts of the Iranian judiciary in particular. I just disapprove of our collective reaction as if only Iran is not supposed to defend itself against spies.

And I did not say that she should not have been released -- I just said that a sentence of 5 years for spionage is not a harsh sentence.

I never called it an act of mercy either. Bartering means this for that. And what I meant was that behind doors, Iran probabely got something back for her release. Maybe release of some Iranian spies somewhere.

Cat & Mouse game

Saberi, as I have stated a few times, was not what she appeared to be. We often hear that the USA has earmarked half billion dollars for suversive programs directed at IRI, yet these black-op projects never see the light of the day. yet when something surfaces, as did the Saberi's case, we express astonishments & incredulity. In the late 1990s, the NYTIMES reported that the CIA had destroyed some documents pertaining to the 1953 coup against Dr. Mossadegh & his govenment after a legal request had been made through the Freedom of Information Act. Why would CIA destroy an old document, risking legal lawsuits, especailly a document about an event which is pretty much well-known, even 50 years after the fact? Some one had been tipped by painstaking research about this document gathering dust in some CIA archive, yet no sooner the FIA was invoked than the CIA destroyed it forthwith. What was the mystery? Some well-established Iranians, perhaps even respected in IRI circles, who might still be serving the CIA? Someone's interest, or life for that matter, was being protected? Someone still alive & active in the CIA?
Saberi's function was that of an 'agent of influence.' As such, she would have known & interviewed quite a number of political activists and dissidents in Iran over the 6 years of her stay. The profile of these dissidents would have been utterly important to the CIA & MI6 & MOSSAD,- fertile ground for recruitment. How many names she passed on would be an unresolved mystery. The candidates picked from her list of names would have gone through rigorous pyschological analyses and in due time contacted, recruited, funded, assigned tasks. Saberi's exposure has obviously rendered her contacts compromised as well. I wouold not be surprised, that the CIA/MI6 have gone through frenetic attemps to exfiltrate their rotten apples since her arrest.

Good points Meybokhor, but

I am sure that neither the intelligence that she was caught with, nor whatever she might have passed over in her illegal trips to Israel have been worthy enough for a sustained jail term. She might even be an Iranian Jew with family in Israel and wanted to visit them, the punishment might not be jail time, maybe banning her from coming back to Iran. Besides, the document that she acquired illegally and her illegal trip to Israel could have been just what the Iranians were looking for to arrest her and have a bargaining point, as Trita alluded in an article. 

I am just glad that a pissant case like hers was taken care of amicably so it wouldn't add to the pile of legitimate "bad blood" which makes the US-Iran rapproachment even more difficult.

It is good that she's with her family and happy, now she better use the quick-gained-out-of-no-where-fame and earn more money working for FOX or NPR or CNN.... and never be allowed to set foot in Iran again becasue of her illegal visits to Israel and the possibility of spying. Everyone would be happy then.

Your argument is invalid

To compare the IRI "criminal justice system" (sorry, I can't say that without laughing hysterically) to that of the United States is plain nonsense. It's not even akin to comparing apples and oranges. It's more like apples and mud.

It is highly unlikely that Ms. Saberi traveled to Israel using her Iranian passport. And to further correct you, American journalists have traveled to Cuba using their U.S. passports.

Even though Ms. Saberi's attorney stated that she was found to be in posession of a copy of a classified document, how can you ascertain the validity and truthfulness of such a claim, given the knowledge that the IRI operates with complete dishonesty in virtually everything they do? 

Her release may indeed be the result of poltical "bartering", but can you say without a shred of doubt that her arrest was completely legitimate? That's the entire point.

She has been released, which is all that matters right now. But to say that her release was an act of judicial mercy is condescending.

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Bavafa? What questions have I dodged? This writer says she was a spy. That she committed serious crimes. My response is ok, then why is she free? If her "crimes" were so serious, why has she not been punished? Could it be that there's simply no case against her?

Since when has the IRI judiciary shown mercy if a person has truly been a spy? Why didn't the judges who acquitted her say "Saberi was in possession of secret documents without permission and gave them to foreign intelligence services, but we'll give her break this time?"

The problem is that we Iranians love to believe that foreign journalists are spies. We forget that the accuser is the Islamic Republic which has no credibility in judicial cases, that almost all accusations against supposed spies in the past have been dropped because they have funamentally been political in nature.

Meanwhile, real spies do their dirty work for the Americans, the British, the Israelis, the Chinese and many other foreign governments without being in the public eye. The IRI has almost never caught any of these true mercenaries.

we even have high double standards!

I think her release was a political action to win support for AN in the upcoming election. 

Many people are being arrested all over the world and taken to remote and secret prisons without even a piece of evidence against them. IRI has never been more merciful than others, so letting Ms Saberi go free despite the evidence has served a political agenda, not justice. 

IRANdokht

That is not exactly what the writer is saying

All this is saying is the Reporter knew the laws and she broke them.

No judgement on if the laws are right or wrong, but if you are in a Country, any Country, you need to obey the laws, good or bad.

Yes, the Mullahs may have backward Laws, because they are backward themselves, but those are the Laws. You break them, you get punished.

I am pretty sure if she had done that in U.S., she would have been punished for it too.

The first days of invasion of Iraq, the Police in D.C,(I think that where it was) arrested a Father and his Son for wearing T-Shirts with "Peace on Earth" on it.

You make the call.

JJ

With all due respect, you are not respond to any of the points in this posting directly. Are you actively dodging the questions and points or just subconsciously following the examples that is often appears in the comment section on your web site?

Mehrdad

Now that we are on the subject of virginity

I wonder who will do when she comes back to States. Is Mr. Ghobady the Iranian filmmaker still on the list of the lucky guys? Who knows...