Iran Sanctions Means War

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MOOSIRvaPIAZ
by MOOSIRvaPIAZ
30-Mar-2010
 

When it comes to the effect of sanctions on the Islamic republic all you have to do is simply replace Iran with Iraq. Then go look through the news articles dating back to early 90s, and you will witness a decade of futile sanctions policy which more or less destroyed the Iraqi society (many lives included) paving way for final confrontation, the 2003 Iraq war.

Google News archive is an invaluable source

Of all the articles I've read on this topic, one piece in particular stands out. I would like you to read it and then think about the effects of the same sort of "airtight" sanctions on Iran. Is this not history repeating itself?

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February 24, 2001
Our Iraq Policy Is Not Working
By Robert A. Pape NYT

CHICAGO— America's policy to contain Iraq is rapidly unraveling. The package of coercive levers used in the 1990's -- economic sanctions, weapons inspections and the no-fly zones -- is coming unglued. Indeed, this containment policy has not succeeded in its goals of ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction or ousting Saddam Hussein. The policy only antagonizes our coalition allies, and it should be abandoned.

After the Gulf War in 1991, the United States and its coalition partners put Iraq in the three-sided box of sanctions, inspections and no-fly zones. After 10 years, the record is mixed: Mr. Hussein still stands and still has weapons of mass destruction, but Iraq has not rebuilt its conventional army or acquired new missile technology.

It's time to acknowledge that this strategy has lost any hope of achieving its most ambitious goals. Oil sanctions are no longer working. The sanctions began to unravel in the late 1990's as Western demand for oil rose and as it became clear that Iraqi civilians were the primary victims of an economic embargo. Under an oil-for-food program, Iraq was allowed to sell oil and use the proceeds to buy food and medicine. By 2000, as world demand for oil rose, the upper limits on oil exports were eliminated. Recently, Iraq opened a new oil pipeline through Syria, bypassing the United Nations system completely and contributing some $2 million a day to Mr. Hussein's coffers.

New weapons inspections are also unlikely to work any better than those in the past. After almost a decade of the most intense inspection regime ever, the inspectors still believe Saddam has secreted away thousands of pounds of materials, more than enough to threaten every Israeli and many Arabs. Even if we found them, Iraq could always make more. Since many of our allies recognize these hard facts, the odds of strong support for new inspections are exceedingly low.

Even the no-fly zones over southern and northern Iraq are not working. They increasingly antagonize our allies, anger our rivals, and cause diplomatic problems throughout the Arab world at a moment of heightened conflict between Israelis and Palestinians.

The problem is simple. Every time Saddam Hussein improves his air defenses, the United States must attack them or accept greater danger to American pilots on routine air patrols. Indeed, since January 1999, the United States has carried out more than 190 air attacks on Iraq.

Our allies never agreed to weekly bombing runs, and many have had their fill. France and Turkey have questioned the latest air strikes and the legality of no-fly zones, which are not under United Nations authority. Turkey's reaction is important, because it provides the key air base for the northern no-fly zone. The coalition that has held together since the Gulf war is in danger of coming apart.

Given these facts, shouldn't we try something else? American leverage is fast eroding. The United States should therefore stop pursuing the futile goals of weakening Mr. Hussein's rule and ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction. Instead, we must concentrate on keeping the coalition together. That means finding something we can all agree on, and that means maintaining American forces in the region to deter Iraqi aggression over the long haul. Maybe then, instead of conducting bombing that does little but barely maintain the status quo, we will have international support when, and if, a real crisis erupts that requires our immediate intervention.

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You are lost!

by IranMilitaryForum.net on

It is the Arab culture that I am worried about - and thank god I hqave
been raised free of it.   It is the culture of deciet, lies,
ruthlessness, selling-out, imorality, pretence.......that worries me -
the very culture which causes you to put your self interest above 70
million Iranians. 

How could one trace the train of your thought from above to reaching a conclusion as:

in fact the world loves and respects Iran and Iranians. 

is beyond me!!!!! get hold of an Iran modern history book then come back and make sensible comments!

 

;-))

 


Bavafa

MassoudA:

by Bavafa on

I am not naive enough to know that IRI & AIPAC/Israel both have some hardcore supporters or even agents here. As I said, most of us (not all of us) truly want a regime change in Iran and many including myself believe in some sort of sanction but not the type that would end in war.

So perhaps instead of patronizing insulting people here, maybe we should try to build consensus and unity.

Mehrdad


masoudA

Bavafa

by masoudA on

OK - I accept your naivity - so you are hoping for a regime change - you saw how people are helpless aganist a regime which will not hesitate to slaughter them - and yet you are against sanctions without even knowing the specifics of the sanctions!!!   As I said - I will accept you are naive - but are you also naive enough to think IR does not have anyone here fighting any actions aganist it?  


Bavafa

MassoudA/COP:

by Bavafa on

Your accusation and rather rude comment is only to create division among people here. If your logic was to be adopted, then it would make you an AIPAC agent. But I don't believe that.

Just know that there are some, in fact most, who truly want a change of regime in Iran but at the cost of war which incidentally will not bring democracy to Iran, it will only change the regime to another puppet.

Mehrdad


masoudA

It's not Arab Blood

by masoudA on

that I am concerned about - people of all races are the same.

It is the Arab culture that I am worried about - and thank god I hqave been raised free of it.   It is the culture of deciet, lies, ruthlessness, selling-out, imorality, pretence.......that worries me - the very culture which causes you to put your self interest above 70 million Iranians.   


Fatollah

sanctions are an act of war

by Fatollah on

and will only hurt ordinary people in Iran!

will it topple the regime? I don't think it will, only prolong the miserable life of this regime! 


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MasoudA-You may surprise

by IranMilitaryForum.net on

yourself by how much of Arab blood running in your vains once you do a DNA check. That may stop your rascist commenets !

I persist in what I have written that you either have no idea about the historical facts on Iran or you are a numb skull who knows diddly squat period and rants for the sake of ranting!

 

Nice knowing you!

 

;-))


Mardom Mazloom

heheA

by Mardom Mazloom on

Sanctions, yes but not tight-tight ones which are advocated by AIPAC and which actually help Mullahs. I don't understand why this simple concept is so hard for people like you to assimilate! Sanctions have been imposed on Iran since 30 years and more harshly since ten years ago. As a result what do we have? Poor people that you feign to care of (!) and a wealthy Sepah. That's what you want?


- Mullahs die to have War, dare you say that this is what it should be done?


- They like sanctions, as Sepah sell the sanctioned articles in black market. Can't you understand that more sanctions like the ones imposed till now will make them happier?


- Mullahs hate to not be recognized, Why don't you begin your cheerful writing to ask for such concrete measures?


masoudA

Lool

by masoudA on

No Sanctions on Mullahs - No War against Mullahs........all because you are all such great bunch only worried about the innocent people of Iran!!????   Listen - over the last few months we all witnessed your love for the innocent in Iran - so stick all your knowledge, analyis and evaluations where the sun don't shine.   Iran will be fine - I just pray to god those inside Iran find ways not to let wind sniffing self serving filthy people like you back into Iran.  

I repeat - the world knows exactly who the enemy is in Iran - they know full well Iranian people are hostages to a bunch of ruthless arabists and their hired missionaries.   


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Yet another none-sense

by IranMilitaryForum.net on

in fact the world loves and respects Iran and Iranians.

You could not far from reality if you really think so. For your information, it was the West that armed Saddam with infinite weapons including chemical and biological WMD! 

I suggest you pickup a book and read about Iran's recent history before showing up in any forums making farce statements shaming yourself!

As far the West is concerned, all Iranians can be gassed or smoked to death so ong as the West gets its way. 

Apparently there are still "naive" people who think just because there are some compassionate news reports about Iranians appearing in Western press, the translation is a genuine humantarian care!!!!!! Not knowing that those are nothing but a well coordinated efforts to achieve one thing only, remove a regime that does not play the Western/Israeli game! 

Conversly, if IRI joins the Western/Israeli pack, you will see a massive support for IRI by a silent Western press and pro regime politica supports. You don't believe me? Look at Egypt, Saudi Arabia,Morocco, Jordan, Kuwait,bahrain and so on.

So plese avoid stating none-sense!

 

 


Mardom Mazloom

Yes indeed,

by Mardom Mazloom on

Just look at the Iraq example. It all started from cheap embargoes. People like MasoudA and cost-to-be-dumb would say : "Yeah, but we got ride of Saddam". They however forget three things:
1- Iran ain't Iraq,
2- Any War scenario on Iran by intelligent guys in CIA conducts to a catastrophe for ME,
3- Saddam did everything to avoid War as he knew that his end was related to that, but Mullahs are doing everything to get War as they know that War will extend their miserable lives.

An article worth to be read from Dutch Welle
//www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5417656,00.ht...


capt_ayhab

Sanction = War

by capt_ayhab on

Any one who doubts the direct relation is only lying to themselves. 

Sanction by nature is designed to weaken the spirit of a nation prior to military invasion. Case proof is in the article.

 

-YT 


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

all the cheney lites dressed in pro-iran clothes

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

Sorry, gotta do better than that.


Cost-of-Progress

Ironic

by Cost-of-Progress on

That the closeted IR lobby on this site is so concerned about Iran. Who do you think you're kidding?

At least those who openly support this appaling regime don't hide their true intentions, which is to maintain status quo.

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IRAN FIRST

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masoudA

The Problem

by masoudA on

With some of you - at least those who don't work for special anti-Iran interests is:  You can't distinguish between the people of Iran and the government there.   Just look at your own posts keep saying Iran this Iran that....    This is not about Iran - in fact the world loves and respects Iran and Iranians.   This is about the anti Iran ISlamic Republic.   The Arab government that has taken the paople as hostages. 

For the propagandists: You are so transparant.  It is so obvious what you are doing - and you all do it together too.   One Sarcozi meeting with Obama and one Obama comment and you all are ordered to write..... I hope any money - if you make any money for this inhumane propaganda become cancer viruses to your being. 


Bavafa

And here what I wrote regarding war with Iran

by Bavafa on

All I know, attacking Iran would be a bigger blunder then the Iraq war.

I sincerely hope, for the sake of all human beings (warmonger excluded) that there won't come such day. If it did, I sure hope Iran defend itself with all she has.

In regards to sanctions, again I would hope Iran retaliation in kind and slow oil production. If Iranians are to suffer, let the West join the club.

Mehrdad


masoudA

MP - Here

by masoudA on

Here is what I wrote for your other NIAC buddy - 

I am sure you either have nobody in Iran or if you do, they are well off.   For all I know you may not even be Iranian.  Or you are Iranian fully detached from Iran, and in it for a small handout.   Best case - You are quiet clueless about the crash coarse Iran's industries, agriculture, health, morality, sanity,... in on.   You can't even relate to what 40 daily youth suicide in a City like Tehran means.  You show zero concerns over the very catastrophy that is rotting the core of Iran and the future of the country - yet you are worried if your ant would be sanctioned out of gasoline to drive to Shemshak next month.   Go ahead and call me a war monger, follow the ususal NIAC talking points and seek peace with the mullahs - but let me assure you, millions in Iran are wishing for a tsunami risking they can survive it.    There is only one thing worst than sitting outside Iran and hope for that tsunami - that is sitting outside Iran and hope for status quo.   You think posting a photo of a kish beach would replace the sad realities of the people's struggles in Iran? 

As far as us true Iranians are concerned, there will never be peace as long as the mullahs are ruloing Iran. 


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

who asked your opinion masoudA

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

you live in exile comfortably. its the bichare iranians inside who have to worry about sanctions in addition to regimes misguided policies.


masoudA

War is Already On !

by masoudA on

In case some of you missed it - as far as the people of Iran are concerned the war is already on.   I don't know if you write these BS for your pockets or just too out of touch - but people of Iran are in the middle of a war with the ruling mullahs and can use any help they can get.   Say hello to Trita and tell him any good Zartoshti must know, to promote peace with evil is evil. 

BTW - if you are worried that the same obama whom you supported in every way - will ever attack Iran - you are mistaking. 


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Yes. THIS time let's go straight to war.

by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on

Why bother with sanctions. They're just a formality. Take the quickest route to starvation and badbakhti possible. WAR ON IRAN.