muscle-defender

Exactly!

Someone even made the interesting comment to me recently that they thought Husayn 'Ali Nuri and Khomeini looked and felt a lot alike, the same energy if you would. Then they said maybe Khomeini was even Husayn 'Ali Nuri's reincarnation! Hmmmm. Lord knows, both were two of the most power hungry head cases and the biggest and most destructive demonic liars Iran has ever produced in its history emerging from the branches of the same infernal tree!

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Yasna XXX 9

Baha'u'llah

behaved like all those opprtunist mullas are behaving in Iran today.

At some place I read that he was an ooportunist.

Thank you dear Wahid. Your comments are very informative.

Assalomo Alaikom & Allah'o'Abho

Husayn 'Ali Nuri

Opportunistically back-flipped quite a bit. In Baghdad he claimed to be the return of Husayn then retracted it. In Edirne he claimed to be man yuzhiruhu'Llah (He whom the Godhead shall make Manifest) of the Bayan. Then in Acre he claimed to be God outright. While he was claiming all this he was also writing the Persian ambassador in Istanbul claiming he had no claim at all just as he had written in the 1850s he had no claim when he was making a claim to small circles just before the Babi notables ran him out of Baghdad and into the Kurdish mountains of Suleymaniye. 

Interestingly enough the Zoroastrian notable Arbab Keykhosrow Shahrokh submitted an autograph letter from Husayn 'Ali Nuri to the Iranian majlis where Husayn 'Ali Nuri outright retracted all his claims. And then we have his Tablet of O Creator of all Creation where he claims he is not the Babi man yuzhiruhu'Llah but that the Babi man yuzhiruhu'Llah will come in mustaghath (2001) praising him and under his shadow. Clearly this guy was confused and his claims suited whatever opportunity presented itself.

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Yasna XXX 9

In Baha'u'llah's letter to the Shah's Minister...

//reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-113.html

In Baha'u'llah's letter to the Shah's Minister, Baha'u'llah is emphatic about His relationship to God.

The enemies of the Baha'u'llah in his day and today the Bahai Faith have always tried to distort the Bahai writings to say that Baha'u'llah claimed to be God. 

In a passage from a letter to  Nasiridin Shah's minister in Ottoman Istanbul. He wrote:

          "Certain ones among you have said: “He it is Who hath laid claim to be God.” By God! This is a gross calumny. I am but a servant of God Who hath believed in Him and in His signs, and in His Prophets and in His angels. My tongue, and My heart, and My inner and My outer being testify that there is no God but Him, that all others have been created by His behest, and been fashioned through the operation of His Will. There is none other God but Him, the Creator, the Raiser from the dead, the Quickener, the Slayer. I am He that telleth abroad the favors with which God hath, through His bounty, favored Me. If this be My transgression, then I am truly the first of the transgressors. I and My kindred are at your mercy. Do ye as ye please, and be not of them that hesitate, that I might return to God My Lord, and reach the place where I can no longer behold your faces. This, indeed, is My dearest wish, My most ardent desire. Of My state God is, verily, sufficiently informed, observant."

Where is Mansouri????

Thank you dear Wahid.

Here is a famous one by Nabil

Men say Thou art God, and I am moved to anger:
Raise the veil, and submit no longer to the shame of Godhood

khalq guyand khoda'i o man andar ghazab ayam
pardeh bar-dashteh mapasand be-khod nang-i-khoda'i

Cited in Agha Khan Kirmani HAST BIHISHT & E.G. Browne A LITERARY HISTORY OF PERSIA vol. 4 p.151.

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Yasna XXX 9

Dear Wahid

Do you want me to quote you  Naim or Nabil Zarandi's poems?

Please do quote some poem/s of Naim or Nabil. This will be very helpful for the English readers.

Thank you

God Bless you

Allah'u'Abho

I know exactly what that means...

Firstly, the phraesology of the refrain innani ana allah (Verily I am God) originates in the Qurán and it is what the Divine first says to Moses at the Burning Bush in Sinai. The Primal Point, the Bab, used this Quranic refrain and augmented it with further phraesology and divine attributes beginning with the Qayyumúl-Asma'. But the Babi doctrine of theophanies is nuanced with the notion and theological distinction of the Primal Will (mashiyat-e-úla) informing it - which is only the Universal Intelligence of the Godhead and not the Godhead Itself - which Husayn 'Ali Nuri seriously blurs and confuses throughout his writings. We have him claiming outright in numerous passages of his works to outright be the voice that spoke to Moses from the Burning Bush embodied in flesh! The Bahaí concept of manifestation is closer to Christian incarnationism than it is to the original Babi theophanology which is the High Imamology of esoteric Shiism. Babi theophanology (whether in the Bayan or in the Book of the Five Grades) goes out of its way to explain and establish such central distinctions as the Primal Will and the Point as the locus of the Will. Husayn 'Ali clearly does not which is why you have a long tradition in Persian Bahaism of Iranian Bahais believing Husayn 'Ali to be the godhead outright. Do you want me to quote you  Naim or Nabil Zarandi's poems?

Now you keep quoting from officially sanctioned English translations but rarely quote from the Persian and Arabic originals of your prophet. Why is that?

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Yasna XXX 9

Manifestations of God, NOT God !

"Verily I am God?" NIma

You know very well what that means..

The Messengers of God are Not GOD !

Their essential nature is twofold: they are at once human and divine. But they are not identical with God , the Creator, Who is Unknowable. Of God, Bahá'u'lláh has written,

He, in truth, hath, throughout eternity, been one in His Essence, one in His attributes, one in His works. Any and every comparison is applicable only to His creatures, and all conceptions of association are conceptions that belong solely to those that serve Him. Immeasurably exalted is His Essence above the descriptions of His creatures. He, alone, occupieth the Seat of transcendent majesty, of supreme and inaccessible glory. The birds of men's hearts, however high they soar, can never hope to attain the heights of His unknowable Essence. It is He Who hath called into being the whole of creation, Who hath caused every created thing to spring forth at His behest.1

Describing the relationship between the Manifestations of God and Their Creator, Bahá'u'lláh used the analogy of the mirror: God is as the Sun, and the Manifestations are as Mirrors that reflect that divine light -- but they are in no way to be considered as identical to that Sun:

These sanctified Mirrors...are, one and all, the Exponents on earth of Him Who is the central Orb of the universe, its Essence and ultimate Purpose. From Him proceed their knowledge and power; from Him is derived their sovereignty. The beauty of their countenance is but a reflection of His image, and their revelation a sign of His deathless glory.3

Why do you lie and mislead, Faryar?

Throughout his writings Husayn 'Ali Nuri has repeatedly claimed to be God! What, pray tell, is the famous refrain innani ana allah (verily I am God) all about then which is replete throughout his writings?

As for your own hateful, malicious, spiteful and hate filled attacks on Nadeem: with every vitriol you pour on this guy here you reveal yourself as the very embodiment of your accusation, i.e. full of hate and typically (as with all Haifan Bahais) without a speck of mehr or morovvat in your whole being. You are what you accuse, Faryar, and until you get a firm kick in the backside from the Spirit (which you will), this will be your road in life and, I predict, your ultimate undoing and descent into complete insanity!

You have been warned. Change your life and change your views. You are fallen and are falling further even faster!

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Yasna XXX 9

Nadeem Khan...

The hatred and the prejudice has blinded you to such an extent that you can not differentiate the Good from the Bad !

How sad, that you can say "SHAME SHAME" to desire for peace..

as in your quote :

Refering to Bah'u'llah

 "In His Epistles He asked the
parliaments of the world to send their best and wisest men to an
international world parliament that should decide all questions between
the peoples and establish peace … then we shall have the Parliament of

Man of which the prophets have dreamed. "

Ravian Bilani, Why waste your life to mislead people?

Ravian Bilani you are a lier and a Shameless one...

Where has Baha"u"llah claimed to be God?

Why waste your life to mislead people?

No politics

Baha'is do not get involved in politics.

Baha has come Baha has gone

after his going the world saw more opressions.

America killed millions in Iraq, Afghanestan, viet nam and so many places of the world. But what the son of Mr. Baha says about america :

America is a noble nation, a standard-bearer of peace throughout the
world, shedding her light to all regions. Other nations are not
untrammeled and free of intrigues like the United States, and are unable
to bring about Universal Peace. But America, thank God, is at peace
with all the world, and is worthy of raising the flag of brotherhood and
International Peace. When the summons to International 243 Peace is
raised by America, all the rest of the world will cry: “Yes, we accept.”
The nations of every clime will join in adopting the teachings of
Bahá’u’lláh, revealed over fifty years ago. In His Epistles He asked the
parliaments of the world to send their best and wisest men to an
international world parliament that should decide all questions between
the peoples and establish peace … then we shall have the Parliament of
Man of which the prophets have dreamed.

(Dr. J. E. Esslemont, Baha'u'llah and the New Era, p. 242)

SHAME SHAME

این بهاء کیست

این بهاء کیست که خود را خدا میخواند
بنده ای زندانی،که خود را خدا میداند
نوکری از نوکرای روس ،خود را میداند
دست بوس شاه ذلیل،خود را میخواند
دست خود را به دزدی وقتل آلوده میداند
خود را رقیب و دشمن برادرش میخواند
با این همه خود را مظهر جمال حق میداند
مقبره اش را قبلهگه عشاق میخواند
پیروان خود را بهترین خلایق میداند
رستگار شده در هر دو جهان میداند

Who was Bahá'u'lláh?

Bahá'u'lláh was described by the well-known Cambridge University Orientalist Edward Granville Browne in 1890. Bahá'u'lláh had, at that time, been a prisoner and an exile for almost 40 years and His teachings were shrouded in obscurity;

"The face of him on whom I gazed I can never forget, though I cannot describe it. Those piercing eyes seemed to read one's very soul; power and authority sat on that ample brow.... No need to ask in whose presence I stood, as I bowed myself before one who is the object of a devotion and love which kings might envy and emperors sigh for in vain!"

Bahá'u'lláh had, at that time, been a prisoner and an exile for almost 40 years and His teachings were shrouded in obscurity; today He is recognized by millions of followers around the world as the Manifestation of God or Divine Teacher for this age. According to Bahá'í belief, Manifestations of God, including Moses, Abraham, Christ, Muhammad, Krishna, and Buddha, have appeared at intervals throughout history to found the world's great religious systems. They have been sent by a loving Creator to enable us to know and to worship Him and to bring human civilization to ever higher levels of achievement.

The station of these Manifestations is unique in creation. Their essential nature is twofold: they are at once human and divine. But they are not identical with God , the Creator, Who is Unknowable. Of God, Bahá'u'lláh has written,

He, in truth, hath, throughout eternity, been one in His Essence, one in His attributes, one in His works. Any and every comparison is applicable only to His creatures, and all conceptions of association are conceptions that belong solely to those that serve Him. Immeasurably exalted is His Essence above the descriptions of His creatures. He, alone, occupieth the Seat of transcendent majesty, of supreme and inaccessible glory. The birds of men's hearts, however high they soar, can never hope to attain the heights of His unknowable Essence. It is He Who hath called into being the whole of creation, Who hath caused every created thing to spring forth at His behest.1

Furthermore, Bahá'u'lláh, addressing God in a prayer, says:

Exalted, immeasurably exalted art Thou above any attempt to measure the greatness of Thy Cause, above any comparison that one may seek to make, above the efforts of the human tongue to utter its import! From everlasting Thou hast existed, alone with no one else beside Thee, and wilt, to everlasting, continue to remain the same, in the sublimity of Thine essence and the inaccessible heights of Thy glory.

And when Thou didst purpose to make Thyself known unto men, Thou didst successively reveal the Manifestations of Thy Cause, and ordained each to be a sign of Thy Revelation among Thy people, and the Day-Spring of Thine invisible Self amidst Thy creatures...2

Describing the relationship between the Manifestations of God and Their Creator, Bahá'u'lláh used the analogy of the mirror: God is as the Sun, and the Manifestations are as Mirrors that reflect that divine light -- but they are in no way to be considered as identical to that Sun:

These sanctified Mirrors...are, one and all, the Exponents on earth of Him Who is the central Orb of the universe, its Essence and ultimate Purpose. From Him proceed their knowledge and power; from Him is derived their sovereignty. The beauty of their countenance is but a reflection of His image, and their revelation a sign of His deathless glory.3

Thank you faryarm joon

Thank you dearest brother faryarm for correcting me. The Blessed Beauty commands me to prefer my brother before myself.

A manifested divinity without a source?

There is no God, but Husayn Áli Nuri is the sender of all divine books?! You are very confused on every level. Go figure. That aside, the Bahai poets Naím and Nabil Zarandi composed ridiculous poems elevating their leader beyond godhood as well. Muscle-Defender's bad poem is merely walking in their footsteps. He is in good company. That Husayn Áli Nuri is the manifest godhead is as old an Iranian Bahai idea as it gets.

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Yasna XXX 9

You are free to believe what you will..

Dear Muscle-defender

You are of course free to believe what you will..to have you own unique view of the universe...

With respect, 

The Bahai belief is :

God The Creator is alone the sender of all Messengers,and the revealer of all knowledge that has been and will be.

be well

faryarm