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Muslims in the U.S. should be deported unless allegiance to U.S. is sworn under oath.
26-Oct-2012
I was at a "wealth management" seminar earlier today. Not because I am wealthy. Because it was free breakfast at a really nice and expensive hotel with great view. Seated at our table in addition to me were 7 other people; 2 White American couples in their early to late 40s, an Indian-American couple, a Russian-American man in his late 20s/early 30s and a divorced Jewish-American female attorney in her 50s.
Unlike most chit chat at tables in seminars where most of the table talk is about benign subjects such as the weather and sports, the conversation at our table was about politics; and it was somewhat heated.
Four people at the table were White ultra conservatie Republicans, 2 people were liberal democrats and 2 were sort of independent/neutral. I know I am labeling everyone but bear with me.
At some point, after issue of wars and costs associated with them and the effect on the economy was discussed, one of the conservative men at the table said "I am not against immigrants...none of them....Mexicans, Chinese, Muslims whatever....but if we are going to let in ten of thousands of Muslims in the country every year we better ask them to swear under oath that their allegiance is with the United States...not Islam.....we don't want a whole bunch of Jihadist to take over this country in 10-20 years who don't give a damn about our country and freedoms and all they want is to force the Quran and the Sharia law on everyone".
The discussion at our table didn't really get anywhere and that discussion is not the point of this blog post.
As I was driving to work, I got thinking; that's really not a bad idea. But what about people who lie as easy as they breathe?
I can't comment on people from other countries. But I know for damn sure Iranians lie like there is no tomorrow; whether under oath or otherwise. It's just a good thing that unlike Sunni Muslims from the Arab countries Iranians are not into Jihad and most don't care a lot about Islam or Islamic law. Specially after having lived in the West for 10+ years.
Otherwise, as an Iranian-American who calls the U.S. home, I have mixed feelings about people who live in the U.S. but have allegiance to something or someone other than America.
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This is Absurd!
by jirandoust on Fri Oct 26, 2012 08:10 PM PDT"but if we are going to let in ten of thousands of Muslims in the
country every year we better ask them to swear under oath that their
allegiance is with the United States...not Islam..."
Allegiance to US not Islam? Didn't German Nazis felt pretty much the same way about Jews and Judaism back in 1930's?
Islam is a religion not a country. It is not even a unified religion much less a country. This is absurd and the guy who made that statement is a racist pig who is definitley an anti immigrant, regardless of what he claims!
No Mixed Feelings Here!...
by Piyalechi on Fri Oct 26, 2012 07:30 PM PDTI feel repulsed by, and vindictive against adults who are naturalized Americans, but reserve their allegiance for the cult of terror that is called Islam...
You see, the flip side of what I have asserted here before (There Is No Such Thing As a Moderate Muslim 1, 2, 3, 4) is that those who call themselves "Muslims," can only fall into two categories:
1 - Those who are not fully aware of what Islam is really all about, its "Holy" book, and the kind of person that its "prophet" was; which in that case, at best they can be classified as confused people of Islamic inclination.
2 - Those who have "surrendered" fully to Islam and will carry out its commandments, abide by its tenets, and act according to the teachings of Quran at any price and by any means (i.e. the real Muslims).
People in the second category duly carry out Quran's command of spilling the blood of those who they consider as non-Muslims with no sense of remorse or hesitation, caring not if they die in the course of their Jihad.
They have been doing so since the days of Muhammad, and will continue to do so long after they successfully put an end to civilization as the modern man knows it.
Unfortunately, hardly a week goes by now a days, without us reading about another one of them and the horrendous devastation they have wrought.
People in the first category though, depending how you look at it, are about as safe or dangerous as unexploded ordnance or a grenade with its safety pin still in place. The best thing for them and everybody else is for them to stay confused and ignorant about Islam and keep considering themselves as Moderate, Peaceful, nice, etc. Muslims. Because, when they fully comprehend what is expected of them as true Muslims, they either have to listen to their conscience and common sense and abandon Islam, which that in turn will cost them anguish, further sense of confusion, depression, and perhaps other mental problems in the beginning, or realize that they can no longer carry a fraudulent Islamic identity and state of being, and decide to become a true member of the first category. Of these individuals, Major Hasan of Fort Hood Texas
is an example of many.
The thing is, now with the advent of the internet and accessibility of information, a moment of reckoning for the people of category 1 is occurring faster and more often. That is why we keep seeing so many otherwise young educated people becoming Jihadists.
I believe we are getting dangerously close to the point where Islam feels it is ready to fight and win; we can go on and ignore the reality all we wish...
I say before we grant permission to stay in the U.S., to any foreigner for any length of time, we should employ our lie detection technology (polygraph is not the only one!) and our linguists to ask all the appropriate questions from the foreigner and establish with reasonable certainty that we are not letting in one who has a grudge against America, or worse yet, will side with his/her ideology to the peril of American lives and the U.S. national security.
The above title is intolerant and ignorant, what would it solve?
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Fri Oct 26, 2012 05:52 PM PDTthat people should be forced to swear allegiances to manufactured and unnatural entities such as businesses, corporations or countries. In any case it is the actions that matter not the words. Imagine if Iranians were required to pledge allegiance to Iran, of a population of 75 million you'd just create another massive large group of sworn liars, maybe 10 % at this point based on their actions has an allegiance to Iran. Serving the IRI Instantly disqualifies one as having an allegiance to iran.