Ramin Tork

MM Jan

Fantastic. good to hear from you by the way brother.

نورافکن Ramin - where is the

Emam Ali - امام علی، مخترع نورافکن

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4XzceCrkFE&feature=player_embedded

Divaneh - If Ali was bald, according to your references, Noorafkan makes a bid of sense

Ramin Tork

I may be wrong in reading your article as an invitation to a new cult (Dawkinism?) but you brother are wrong on several ccounts about me and my beliefs.

Let us leave it at this point until another time.

vassalaam

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Salman

What is the point of passing you more info when you have not understood what you have read of my work?

That article is not about starting  a cult!

May Allah give you better google skills! 

You also deliberately tried to provoke, realising I have enough respect for Dr Nourbaksh to mention his death. I am an atheist and if I'm guessing right you are a Gonabadi, so if your Peer was generous enough to show hospitality to an atheist would you then turn back and say that peer churns out atheists? Or if you met someone from the same Khanegah, say someone who was an idiot should people turn back and say this house produces idiots? Of course not. Leave me alone with my own foolishness and do not tarnish another man's good name because of vanity or scoring an argument in an insignificant blog!

So where are these scholarly reviewed writings of yours?

I wondered if you could provide us a sample or two. So far all I could find were a few blogs here and there to invite people to email you so you can start your own new cult, or mourning the passing of NurBakhsh or your creative (or may be not) work of art

Any thing else Mr Tork?

btw- Ali is a revered figure in Arabic version of erfan (see Ibn Arabi) and you liberal use of the terms erfan and sufism (which are not the same) must be due to your closeness with the late Nurbakhsh.

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Yes I am aware of the two Alis and have often written about it

The mystic/Erfani Ali is an Iranian invention.

Erfan as those who have delved in it know has very little to do with Islam. Just like followers of Santeria who disguised their religious culture and icons as Catholic saints, we Iranians disguised our old culture in Sufism. Somehow with corruption of Sufism itself that part has been lost and now Ali has become an idol amongst some Darwish factions. Those circles put Ali in a higher place than Muhammad in that they have invented an equivalant to the Holy Spirit ( and source of hidden wisdom) that only gets passed down to the worthy.

All these symbolisms are left overs of their original influences i.e. Mithraism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism and even some symbolism from Manichaeism ( with these religions in turn influencing each other).

By the way Ali is not the only character reinvented, I wrote a Blog about Hamze, Muhammad's paternal uncle. The Hamzename tale was so tall it fell out of popularity in Iran.

Do we get any benefit from our own myth?

Erfan Ali certianly has fans in our culture, and our culture is indeed a mix bag of it's historical events. Perhaps one day these invented myth helped our fathers survive the dryness of Islam and they embraced it as their own but I personally don't see a need for that anymore, at least in my own life where I have a choice.

Since these values that are still so endearing to some are holding us captive, I am all for dropping them and just as we stopped reading the Hamzename which was a cheap imitation and plagerization of Shahname and started reading the Shahname I choose to drop the fake Ali and be inspired by better mythical figures if I need to be inspired by myth that is!

Perhaps with the treatment this regime has given the Sufis they should come out of closet and stop camouflaging their beliefs under Islam! 

By the way by no means do I impose this on others, the others need to find their own choices. 

Here is the Blog I mentioned, it shows fantastic works of Art but it is our "Chaploosi" at it's best!

//iranian.com/main/blog/ramintork/hamzanama 

Ultimately living in a Universe where 74% is dark energy, 22% dark matter, 3.6% Intergalagtic gases, and only 0.4% is matter and out of that matter which are mainly stars and planets we short lived mortals almost do not exist so how we live and what we believe in a life that goes like a flash matters very little really! Entire course of humanity has very little significance but only to us, so live your life as you should, including using the name Salman Farsi.

There are two Imam Alis: historic and esoteric

The one that you are describing, erroneously as it is,  is the historic/Islamic Ali. But there is another side to Imam Ali that is esoertic/spritual/mystic or "erfani" which has been the subject of many mystic references in Persian poetry including this famous mathnavi by Rumi.

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Divaneh Jan

My image is Artistic sarcasm because I had seen the very same image you had. But looks do not matter, after all we didn't get much of choice on how we look. What matters is that Mullahs have completely fabricated history and truth.

The real picture of Ali

Dear Ramin, thanks for sharing your nice work but it's nothing like the man himself. Here is a link to the true picture of Ali and some other interesting facts.

//kamranroshangar.blogspot.com/2011/02/blog-post_10.html

Roozbeh

Any SF iconography here is coincidental!

The long bent sword was called Zulfiqar by the way. The very same sword taken from the Manat temple and had to be washed from the blood of its' victim's every night.

I wonder how many other saints had a sword with a name! 

wait a sec, the nicely trimmed beard, the sideway smile...

Not to mention the symbolic long, bent sword, co incidental as it may be, all reminds one of a typical resident of  a certain SF district ! 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Azadeh Jan

This conveys taking the idea of tampering with history for religious idealoical reasons to an extreme to the point that it becomes ridiculous.

I think if you have the time to look at the video I linked where Islamic history is being completely rewritten my point could become clear.

Ramin jan

I don't get this one. What idea is it supposed to convey?

BTW, please don't use Johnny Depp's liking for any of these religious figures. I adore him :-). For this one, you've used Brad Pitt not Johnny Depp.

Cheers,

Azadeh 

Of course it is historically argued

Of course it is historically argued that he looked like Johnny Depp instead.