rosie is roxy is roshan

please accept our deepest condolences

به مناسبت سی‌ ام این سالگرد درگذشت عشق و محبت و امید در ایران؛ سالروز آن واقعه جانگداز را به همه هم میهنان عزیز تسلیت گفته، برای باز ماندگان صبر جلیل و فتح قریب بر سپاه ظلم و جنون آرزمندیم!

If you reallly thought the title seriously meant Happy

Anniversary as a congratulations to IRI, then you WERE talking to me..and who goes around saying Happy Anniversary to a COUNTRY?

I HAvE EDITED THE BEGINNING OF THE BLOG..

Calm down "irony" expert

I don’t know who (or what) MPD is, but for my part, my comment wasn't directed at YOU. So stop throwing your toys out of the pram and take a chill pill, otherwise you'll burst a blood vessel.

Also, it's not always helpful to go round generalizing about people and what they "ALL" have done to their country; especially when it appears highly unlikely that you personally know many (or indeed any) of them.

Maybe that's another reason why we have "so much trouble getting along" ------> we're so quick to judge each other!

To reiterate for the 84th time, the title is ironic and..

you can read my post from below which I'm copying here OR my other post further below on the title itself or...YOU COULD EVEN READ THE BLOG. And last but not least, out of sheer exhaustion, I postulate that part of the reason some of you have so much trouble getting along AND coping with what ALL of you (save VERY few) did to your country is because...YOU HAVE NO SENSE OF IRONY. NO SENSE WHATSOEVER OF IRONY.

So here is the text of ONE of my posts below recopied:

That's right. You heard me.

MARG BAR IR!!

//iranian.com/main/blog/rosie-roxy-roshan/marg-bar-iri

Happy now, MPD?

Roxy

Happy 30th?

Happy 30th? Happy for whom?

Oh yes, you did say happy 30th IRI. Indeed it has been a happy 30 years for the regime in Iran to have got away (so far) with repression, intolerance, intimidation, torture, murder and theft of Iran and its people's wealth.

Chances are, it'll be another "happy" 30 years for the IRI, since it has been so successful in violently decimating any opposition to it. Hell, even the new US President wants to make friends with the Messers Khamenei, Ahmadinejad et al. Yes sir, it's all looking rosy for Akunds and their cheerleaders here and elsewhere.

Yes indeed, Happy 30th anniversary IRI; sadly not quite so happy for millions of Iranians.

This an many other  sites

This an many other  sites have become the main conduit for Iranian opinion.   We can safely say that the whole spectrum are represented here.

What needs to be done, is that we do not need the US President, or some leading article in a very well known paper, to tell the world about non Seyyed/Theocrats.

Quite simply the world does not know about the Iranians outside the Seyyed/Theocrats, because there is no internationally known place, or forum for them.  When the word "opposition" appears, it is linked to MKO.  And we, who are not political at all, get mad.

So the solution is simple.  Create a movement based on culture, that is specifically outside religion, commerce, and of course politics.  These aspects are all related to individual choice.

But culture, and in particular old culture like Iran, has elements in it, that are accepted by all of us, and there is agreement.  How many times have you and an Iranian who you did not know, explain the same meanings and tastes of something like Nowrooz to a foreigner, without disagreeing.

We saw an example of cultural unity concerning the use of Persian Gulf, and the representation of Iranians in 300.  Imagine one day some Arab paper saying Ghormehsabzi is actually a dish made first in Jeddah.  Can you imagine the euphoric backlash?

This is what I mean by cutural movement.  But it needs to be based on a peaceful non-violent attitude.  Cultural elements are there because they are non-violent.  We therefore need this fundamental element to be the bastion for a unifying force to express the need for regime change.  We all know that there is no organisation in Iran for preserving the culture of Iran.  But there are many for preserving and propogating Islam.  We need people who put Iranian Culture First, then whateva ...

This site has done a lot in preserving our culture, but we need it to be more than this to use the name of Iranian.  More internet sites like this need to be made to write about our culture and how it get Iran back.  There is plenty for the media to write about, because unlike anywhere in the world, especially USA, our culture is very rich.  These cultural elements do not have any materialistic benefits, and so are commercially worthless, and so they end up being meaningless in new worlds such as USA.

Conversely the older worlds like UK and France do appreciate these immaterial cultural elements and can relate to our cause.  People like me like to sit with the Brits here and compare our history and culture.  They really feel for us.  But when I speak to Americans, everything boils down to money money money.

So there we are.  In short the US media, that run the world has no material benefit from Iranian culture, and so just cannot be bothered.  Unless of course all the cultural organizations in Iran placed ads in NYT and then paid the editors to talk about non-violent general strikes.

Thanks for wrting to me.  I hope that one day we have our space in the world stage to defend ourselves in front of millions like Obama did.  Right now we have no ear.

Ali Mostofi

//www.alimostofi.com

Ali, it is interesting you should bring up media..

 I don't really know what you mean by "one spokesperson", that sounds very strange to me, but I do know what you mean by focus on culture, pr and world opinion.

I remember end 07 just when the bloggers and J were starting the conversation about how to implement moderation out of the WIld Wild West, there was all this amazing electricity in the air and you suddenly started seeing people on the site asking the question "What shoudl we DO?" Those were heady days, it seemed like a new revolution (actually the I'net IS potentially a revolution...) At the same time an Iranian had written a post to me, basically are you all talk and no action, so easy for you to sit here...what would you DO if you were an Iranian in Iran now?  And I thought well I probably wouldn't think I'd do much good in Evin Prison but I knew I'd do something so what the hell could that be?..

Anyway then there appeared a photo essay on gardening in Iran, it seems they have these innovative community gardens over there. And I got like this brainstorm and I thought, that's what we should do! There is the concept that w/the lack of viable political structures in the society the "civil society" has boomed, the people having to take things into their own hands. ..

It was like a eureka experience.. I thought well, what if Iranians would just take the trouble to document all these things (images very important)--their gardens, their community day care centers, their art shows, whatever they do well especially in collective on a regular basis, and just flood the media worldwide with it, especially in English (lingua franca).

So say you have a community day care center. On one hand you would have a photo essay w/a little text for all kinds of websites interested in children, community organizing, etc., all these cute smiling kids, but then you could have a more serious text version for more professional type publications on the methods, etc...whatever...and just flood flood flood the media, with I'net it is not hard to do. I thought well you could avoid things that are illegal (I know that's a lot..) but by sticking to things that are legal it is all happening under the radar of the regime. Also the Regime is more concerned with controlling inflow than outflow I believe.

But unfortunately shortly after that I had to leave the site (there were pressing reasons) and when I came back in summer it had kind of hit a plateau with I felt not that much energy, plus I was very preoccupied...coming back again now the one thing I can say is that the hate and vitriole generated by Gaza has its own energy (not unlike the Wild Wild West days except within a more cohesive community) and it is something that could be harnessed. I wonder if people are open to things like this? I wonder sometimes if they are open to anything but bickering or socializing, majority.

The two times I mentioned it in summer it went nowhere. A problem also is that most of the political thinkers here tend to be rather traditional in their categories and linear thinking rather than thinking "out of the box", they think "party" and "ideology" and so forth, they do not seem to really think media here that much. Which is pretty paradoxical when you consider just what this website IS..almost one half million hits from individual computers all over globe per month, extremely high google ratings, etc. etc. Part of that problem also has to do with javid, this project of his got way bigger than he ever imagined it would and quite frankly I believe he just doesn't want to face it. So it retains a kind of parrochialism both in thinking and outreach that it shouldn't, which, for all his genuine progressiveness, does funnel from top down.  Actually thinking about what you said about "spokesperson", it is one of the causes of the eternal interpersonal friction between us. I guess last year during those electric times I did think that should be his role, his destiny actually...(remember, I'm an astrologer too)...and I still tell him  from time to time, why do you keep fighting your destiny, lead...but I guess I am coming to terms with the fact that he is a jj (at least for time being LOL). Well, enough about that... for you and the theoretically thousands of other people who could be reading this now "most-disugst thread....

And then there is the inertia factor of expat communities in general, for all their talk... which keeps things stagnant...

I do remember that in the "WWWest" days you would write about general strike and things like that and they would be very undercommented. I also know David writes a lot about we should do this do that in/for Iran but when I suggested this to him, he said no, it is an internal problem. I said in the globalized wrold these things no longer exist and he did not want to hear it. He also said that there was neither the time frame nor the energy to be expended on it. I do not believe he realizes that once you get into the habit of doing pr and you have your mailing lists and so forth set up, it is really very easy to do...and that as far as the time frame goes, he exaggerates. Nothing is going to happen overnight.

Anyway you made me think about all this again.

Roxie

the revolution is ours...whether u like it or not

What is clear is that after thirty years, so many Iranians have not gotten over their constant ability at pointing fingers and cause a foss over something that in fact belongs to our culture.

We used to blame Shah for our problems, now the akhunds, and if one day creatures from other planets come to rule us, I bet you Iranians would be first to declare them at fault for their life problems.

We are a patriarchy by culture...we are usually defensive people who can not listen to opposition because of our historical and strategical geographical location in the world and, god is my witness that we are the best when it comes to pointing fingers at others.

We want to change the world? Let's begin with ourselves.

I remember not so long ago,

I remember not so long ago, after the Seyyed Coup d'etat, there was a cartoon somewhere, and it showed uncle Sam threatening another up and rising third world nation, to behave, or else like Iran, it would be threatened with Democracy.

Obviously wanting change for the sake of change, and demanding it, is what the world learnt it had to be cautious about, soon after Khomeini ruined the name of Democracy for all time. Iranians went out to vote as if they are going out to a disco for the first time. And like lemmings they all fell over the cliff. The rest you know.

So now people are scared to have their votes be abused. And they are being abused. No one has turned out to vote for these aliens for the past few elections, except their own poodles, who still manage to fill the screens and radios with their barking mad manners. We abroad have to point at them and say they are not us, and that it is not a proper election, with poor turnout. But the Seyyed/Theocrat PR machine (with a little help from BBC and AFX) do a great job to spin in out and white wash it all, such that the world thinks that most Iranians are like Talibans.

So what the Shahanshah did not do a good job of, and the Nationalists are still not doing, is on the PR front. We all know the problems and have done nothing about it.

No matter how much we all know what the problems are, if we cannnot win the PR game then you might as well not bother.

We need to focus our energies and sacrifice our differences for unity to be represented by one spokesperson for all the people who put Iran first and foremost. Expressing our culture is more important than politics and religion.

Why can't we do this?

The answer is simple. World wars, big ones, not stuff like Gaza, are being won and lost in the media. Opinion is created and then measured and policies are put forward. We Iranians who want to show a modern secular Iranian culture as the image of Iran need to get focus our recourses and change world opinion ourselves.

Ali Mostofi

//www.alimostofi.com

Ayhab, what do you calla mutiny with 98% support?

Answer: Revolution!

I hereby............

I hereby decline to call 1979 a [Revolution]. It was Akhund MUTINY which plunged Iran in Dark Ages.

Revolution is meant to better the socio-economic conditions, and bring about individual freedom.

Akhund MUTINY of 1979 has suppressed Iranians, taken away their Persian Identity, suppressed masses and masses of people. Suppressed Individual right of worship,,,, and so on and so forth.

This has been an ugly and bloody MUTINY and not a revolution.

I like to take this opportunity to salute every one who gave their lives in protection of Iran, I am humbled for your sacrifice. Iran owes you people death of gratitude.

Respectfully

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Oh but I think it all worked out for the best!

I TTHOUGHT you meant I should translate the WHOLE BLOG From English they can't understand to English they can.  So I DID! I wrote a WHOLE NEW BLOG explaining the first one!  Ironically, of course.

I think it all worked out rather well actually. You saw it didn't you?

So it was all a misunderstanding but a productive one, as these things will sometimes be. SNAFU...situatiion nonsense all fixed up...

The part about Avestan was just one of my choices in the quiz. You know the quiz about the last part of the first blog that I put at the end of the thread? One of the choices for the intention of my saying Happy 30th Anniversary IRI is that it is Avestan for Let us now go and light the Sacred Fire...

that's all..

Hey look, it all worked out for the best. I translated the WHOLE FIRST BLOG into a WHOLE SECOND BLOG in English AND Persian. People seem very happy. Man ham hamintour. An.the Sacred Fires remain...

lit.  well, kinda sorta.

aaah...lalacuckoo land. on irony.com

r.

PS Let a smile be your umbrella!  :o)))

Roxane, I said I was happy

In my blog you said, “It would be better if you explained it to them in Avestan like I did on my blog.”  Then, since I don’t know Avestan, in your blog I wrote, “Can you translate that into English?”  I meant whatever it is that you wrote in Avestan to translate it into English.

Yes, I’ve been happy for 2,500 years now.  I was only concern about those people who do not invest the time to learn about who you are and only read the title of your blog and a little bit more and start calling you names.  But now that you have issued death decrees thing should come down now, but first I have to read whose death you’re wishing for.

Top right, that’s me, happy.

I AM A VETERAN OF IRAN -

I AM A VETERAN OF IRAN - IRAQ WAR AND PROUD OF IT AND WHO ARE YOU ?
I MISS MY RIGHT HAND IN IRAN - IRAQ WAR FOR SAVE MY COUNTRY AND PROUD OF IT AND WHO ARE YOU?
I WAS A PRISONER IN IRAQ FOR FOUR YEARS AND PROUD OF IT AND WHO ARE YOU ?
I ........
YES , WHEN YOU WAS SLEEPING IN LA BEACHES, MY FRIENDS AND MY WHOLE FAMILY AND MY WHOLE COUNTRY AND I WERE FIGHTING FOR SAVING MY CHILD ,MY CITY ,MY PAST AND MY FUTURE AND WE PROUD OF IT AND WHO ARE YOU?
YES , YOU COULD NOT HELP AT THAT TIME ,SO WHY NOW YOU WANT ISRAEL/US BOMBING MY PAST ,MY FUTURE AND MY EVERY THING ? SO WHO ARE YOU?
....
YES,I LOVE IRI AND PROUD OF IT AND WHO ARE YOU ?
END OF STORY!

IRI plans to demolish Khavaron

Dear Rosie: This is a tad off topic. I hope you don't mind.

The Islamic Republic was build upon blood and deceit, period. The IRI has crippled, literally and figuratively, Iran's potential economic, cultural, and social progress and prosperity.

IRI has killed,tortured thousands of innocent Iranians and someday has to be held accountable for their crimes, if there is a God.

In the meantime, the IRI is trying to erase the evidence of their 1988 massacre. Please do what you can to preserve the khavaron cemetry.

According to Amnesty International, between 4500 to 10000 Iranian political prisoners were massacred in 1988 over a period of just two months. The relatives of the victims were not allowed to have the bodies of their loved ones or hold a funeral, instead the bodies were taken in meat trucks and dumped in places like Khavaran or what the regime referred to as La'nat-Abad [The Damned Place], a cemetery used for burying non-Muslims.

The mass burial at Khavaran was only accidentally discovered by an Armenian priest who had become curious as to why stray dogs kept digging there for bones.

Although the useful idiots across the West, who are always ready to march in support of terrorists and brutal dictators, thought the massacre was not worthy of a protest, even the successor to Ayatollah Khomeini at the time, Ayatollah Montazeri, could not stay silent and wrote a protest letter, which promptly resulted in his removal from the position of successor to the Supreme Leader.

Now, twenty years later, the Islamic Republic can not tolerate families of those victims who come to Khavaran to console their sorrow. Mothers and fathers, brother and sisters, sons and daughters who just hold pictures of their loved ones and plant trees and flowers to say we have not forgotten our victims. But thats too much for the Islamic Republic authorities, they want to demolish Khavaran altogether.
//kamangir.net/2009/01/18/khavaran-cemetery-t...

Rosie

The generation that consisted of at least young adults during the 1970s to have witnessed what the Shah was doing is now middle age. Those who stayed in Iran are now busy helping their children, making ends meet, etc. It is their children who must carry the torch.

The children who are in Iran care, and care deeply. One can see this in the activities of university students in Iran, blogging, NGOs, etc. Those children who left Iran largely do not care.

Those of that generation who left Iran - like yours truly - or older still care deeply about Iran. You take a look at Iranian sites and you will find that the vast majority of those who publish belong to this generation or older. Others are involved in a variety of activities related to Iran.

The second generation who grew up outside Iran does not generally care. People of this generation are in their 20s, and 30s. They only care about the cultural aspects. You announce an Iranian music concert in any city with a large Iranian community, and you will get thousands. Announce a meeting on Iran in the same city, and you will get at most a few hundreds, and they are mostly middle age or in old age.

This is unfortunate. People of Irish, Italian, Chinese, Japanese, Armenian, and Greek origin have lived in the United States for generations, but they still care deeply about the plight of their original land.

Mammad

Hello Again Bijan AM! Welcome back from the Limbaugh Letter

No my lovely manly Bijan, defender of capitalism and freedom.

I do not support what happened in Gaza because of how I see the shah.

Gaza is not the IRI. Israel is not Iran. Don't insult Iranians.

Israel is a state founded on religion. They give religious preference to Jews for a variety of things. Give the Israel licking a rest, will you? And excuse me for going all Zion on you, but don't EVER address me using Israel or use my argument to defend Israel.

HAha. Now I know what Zion feels like when she directs people like that. Kinky. 

DK,

You have, in the past, ridiculed everyone who disagreed with your opinions and that, by employing offending and rude labels.

When, an user, employs his full name as yourself. You also make pun of his avatar.

Yours is also easy to make but we are all here to enjoy each others knowledge on different subjects and not to confirm our presence by dirty jokes.

A real democracy is when everyone respects others values and thinkings.

Roxie I think I getja

Roxie I think I getja,

You mean
Marg bar shalvaar-e tang
Marg bar divar-e kharab
marg bar mikh-e kaj
Marg bar "har chi keh toosh 'marg bar' dareh"

Rosie joon tou bekhab, keh ma ham berim bekhabim!
Adios!
A

MARG BAR IRI!

That's right. You heard me.

MARG BAR IR!!

//iranian.com/main/blog/rosie-roxy-roshan/marg-bar-iri

Happy now, MPD?

Roxy

Can you

...translate that into English?

Here is the problem ROXANE, you explain the key points at the end. Almost nobody is going to read all the way to the end to find out what you're trying to do or say. They see "happy" and they see "IRI", and they get all wild up. Do you think wild up people pay any attention to "irony"? They see you as a Zionist spy, a leftist who put IRI in power, a Prozac driven blabber,... they don't care about explanation of irony. They see "happy", they "anniversary", they see "IRI', they see blood. They know you're a traitor. That's the end of that.

Good luck getting yourself out of this one.

Dear Darius

I read your comment.  I had asked the question sincerely and with good intentions.  I may have a made-up name and a boring avatar, and I do appreciate that as such I may appear as less of a person than you who proudly sign your name and your own likeness to every comment and blog you create.  You are right.  You have more courage than me.

To make up for my cowardice, since this site does accept me as a member without having to reveal my real name and my likeness, I try to be a good citizen of this community.  I read, I write, I research, and I keep utmost respect for all users through my conduct.  I do have opinions and I express them.  Those opinions are what and who I am on this site.  I am not interested in personal friendships, mafia type brotherhoods, or ideological camaraderie.  The balance I have tried to create and maintain in my contributions to the site keeps me from talking too much through over expressing my viewpoints.  Would it work better if I told you my name and showed you my likeness and proceeded to attack and insult you or others on the site?  Would it somehow mean something more if I didn’t attack you, but followed you around and left a silly comment in support of your viewpoints just to show that I am your “friend?”  What will happen to the quality of the dialogues we have on the site if we were to succumb to the polarization we have watched unravel on the site over the past couple of months?  We would become “yes men” of a group of users and vicious attackers of another, giving in to a growing rat pack mentality on the site.  To what end? 

I believe it is infinitely more important for us to stay anonymous but decent and civilized independent thinkers and debaters than becoming members of “Gangs of Iranian.com.”  I think the biggest problem on the site is not whether I have a name and a picture attached to my opinion.  I think the biggest problem is when fake loyalties, bigotry, racism, and sheer hate are passed to fellow users, under whatever avatar we speak, inhibiting free and fair expression of opinions and thought.

I do apologize for how my question to you propelled us into a situation which was uncomfortable for you.  It was uncomfortable for me, too.  I did it with good intentions and utmost respect for you and for other members of the site, seeing how divided and misunderstood everybody had become.  No answers to those questions are necessary any longer, dear Darius.  I will continue to deeply respect you and follow your contributions through what I do best, reading and trying to make sense of what I read. 

P.S.  I am cognizant of the fact that this comment, too, is misplaced on this thread.  I really should have blogged about it elsewhere, but I am deliberately keeping it here to avoid further misunderstanding. 

MY FINAL WORDS ON THE TITLE OF THIS BLOG

Towards the end of this fairly short blog, Rosie wrote:

Does hardly paying attention to this date here mean that some of the bloggers are now ready to cut the cake honestly and equitably and accept collective responsibility for the Revolution while forgiving themselves and others for whatever individual roles they might have played during that insane and troubled time, decades ago and yet just yesterday?

Quiz:

1) This section implies that Rosie thinks that:

a) the Revolution was a good thing  b) the Revolution was not so hot  c) there was no Revolution  d) the earth makes one revolution around the sun each year.

2) Therefore the title of Rosie's blog is:

a) ironic b) satanic: she worships the Devil  c) catatonic: she wrote it in a trance  d) Avestan. The title only looks like English but is actually Avestan. It means let us now go and light the Sacred Fire. Like wow, man, what an amazing philological coincidence!

3) Assuming (hypothetically of course) that the tone of Rosie's title were ironic, this would mean that Rosie:

a) must never write anything that anyone might possibly perceive as a red flag that makes them go off like a bull in a bullring and not be able to read the rest of the blog clearly b)will write one hundred times on the blackboard I will be a good girl. I will never use irony again c)can only use irony in the last 7.3379 percent of anything she ever writes in future d) is a mammalian biped.

4) The tone of the post you are reading right now is:

a) ironic   b) ironic   c) ironic   d) the post does not exist. And neither do you and neither does Rosie. Only the moderators exist. You have entered the Twilight Zone.

Sad afarin,

Rosie

John, Multiple Personaliy Order is also happy because

thanks to IRI he met his betrothed, and just like you, he proclaimed it on this very thread! 

Only difference is, he prefers sigheh.

//iranian.com/main/node/54023 

Welcome to the nuthouse, John, kosh amaadi beh timarestaan...

To DK!

Mr. Kadivar, I've never personally addressed you or responded to your posts here, not because I did not find them objectionable, but because I didn't care. I find you a lost cause. You live in your imaginary universe with your embedded videos of Pahlavis. I find it a waste of time. Nevertheless, I don't know why you make it your business to make an example of me!

However, this is a public forum. Just because you use your real identity, it doesn't mean that you can post all kind of crap, take up cyberspace and forbid others from commenting. If you're into that, start up your own private website and build your private, aristocratic club!

I never said.......

that JJ featured Zion's blog. I said that JJ allowed Zion to post her blog.

By not deleting Zion's blog, JJ allowed Zion free expression of her views.

Before anyone misquotes me........I did not say that JJ agrees with Zion's twisted blog.

Big difference..........

What am I missing?

Someone please help me understand this. Recently we have seen god knows how many blogs and comments about brutality of Israelies in Gaza and how inhumane these Zionists have been. Some of those SAME bloggers and commenters now blame the last 30 years of darkness in Iran’s history on Shah (or according to some, his handlers) and call him gutless, coward, out of touch,…for not slaughtering every akhoond, ayatollah, and everyone who came out to the street in their support. I can understand if these were argued by 2 different groups of posters. But, how could the same person make such a contradicting argument?

Marge, with your post on this thread you have provided the strongest case for Israeli’s action in Gaza.    

Since it's my thread, I would like to ask that any Persian posts

be translated or at least summarized into English as I am not fluent in Persian. Kheili khub nemifahmam va ham halaa kasteham.

Hmmm...I should start writing here in Persian. Then I wouldn't be so goddam verbose.

PS DK, I totally agree with you in that I wish everyone WOULD

use their real identity unless subject to political danger, it would be a great leap forward for this technology, that is to say for humanity at large. I guess we are just too immature, too immature. Hopefully...we'll get there.

AND HERE IS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY !