For what it's worth


Rosie T.
by Rosie T.

This blog concerns everybody on this website and the purpose of the website. I am only using the Israel/Palestine issue as an example. For what it's worth.

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The Israel/Palestine issue was very ugly here this week. The "discussion" was as ugly as the conflict itself. .

First it was fought on a thread of mourning on a photo essay on the Holocaust where it didn't belong to begin with. Then I wrote a blog on War, This Website and Concession in which I stressed the need for concessions to be made on both sides in any conflict on this website if peace talks are to be successful. For what it's worth. Ialso stressed that peace talks between individuals are as important and sometimes more than peace talks between politicians.

Zion also posted a blog (Pallywood) which showed video footage of attrocities committed against Palestinians by Israelis which seemed obviously staged. As an advocate of the Palestinian cause, this was very disturbing to me. All the non-Zionists and anti-Zionists on the thread seemed to implicitly or explicitly agree that the videos were staged, for what it's worth, but no one offererd this as a true concession, not even me at first. There was only bullets and shelling and then no one was talking to each other at all. That is not a truce.

So I wrote another blog to Everyone on the Pallywood thread asking for further dialog and for certain guidelines to be followed. .So far complete silence except from Q. So last night I posted on Zion's thread a specific plan I tthought we could follow to make one tiny step toward peace, using the videos as a point of departure. iFor what it's worth. So far silence from the original eople involved.

Now after a music link I will repost what I wrote here. For what it's worth. It still stands as the best example I could come up with to ensure that this website be used as a means toward peace not war n ANY conflict. I have some to believe that peace talks here often must happen point by point, oncession by concession.

There is always the hope that in the silence someone will think about it. iFor what it's worth. Sometimes it takes a long time when you plant a seed to actually see anything grow. But I already told them I'm getting tired of it all.

I don't' know.

(Foaad, I can't post most links because I have no access to menus, but thanks for trying).

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH (Buffalo Springfield  1967)


(You better stop, children. What's that sound?








Repost "My Concession to Zion".


I concede that some of this footage looks obviously staged. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. It is a very difficult concesson for me to make.

If I understood correctly, every non-Zionist on this thread seems to implicitly or explicitly admit this. So I would like to throw this question up for discusson:

How much of the media footage that is seen on crimes/violence committed against Palestinians might realistically have been staged? .005%? 1%? 5%? 20%? As high as 80 or 90%, Zion??????

Other specifically related questions may be: When did this staging perhaps begin? And how much Israeli footage is staged, and can proof be provided?

I do not think it would be fruitful at this point to talk about anything other than images in the media:: video and film footage and photographs.





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Hamas Way of Peaceful co-existance.

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The problem is when we the Israelis post FACTS and share our experience with other blogers here. We get non-sense labels. When we try to show the other side of the coin, we get delusional denial from the likes of Q.

Here is another proof for you and other. Read the following Covenants written by hamas, then ask yourself how can any non-Muslims live in any way of peaceful with these savage animals.

The Avalon Project at Yale Law School

Hamas Covenant 1988

The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement.

18 August 1988.


Israel will exist and will continue
to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated
others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed

Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs
all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed
by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be
supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic
world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.


The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement,
whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It
strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine,
for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in
security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are
. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression
spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out.

Excerp: (That peaceful and benevolnet Prophet orders to kill others)

The Prophet, Allah bless him and
grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews
(killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees.
The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew
behind me, come and kill him.

Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do
that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by
al-Bukhari and Moslem).