Sadra

ای بابا یعنی‌ ما از اولش اینقدر بی‌ ریخت بودیم؟

ما دلمون خوش بود که حد اقل  ده دوازده هزار سال پیش بابا ننمون بورو بلوند بودن اینم که این انگلیسا نتونستن بما ببینن. واسه همینه که من عاشقشونم.  :))

Thank you samsam

That was great intensive info. I agree with all you said, although couldn't say it so clearly :)

But about the Ilamytes, I admit that was the first time I heard that they were not = Persian. I always thought that the Ilamytes were also part of the old ancient Persian.

Thank you so much for your time, dear.

It is nice to have you around :)

Souri jaan

I,m in no mood to get into another useless long boring discussion on the term "Aryan" with a buncha mullah oriented-funded revisionists  like ghiassabadi  & alike but outta respect for rouyeh golet behet begam in a few lines ;

A= the term Aryan is not a racial conotation but a cultural-lingual legacy just as in the term "Turk" or "Arab" or "American" . IE;, white Huns a semi turkish people in late 400AD,s were a Hunish speaking group that included large groups of subjugated indoeuropeans of central Asia & central europe which later formed Hungary, Bulgaria etc.. 

1-Northern Caucuses all the way to hens yang in china was predominantly populated by a diverse group of Indoeuropean speaking people atleast until the coming of the first waves of huns, Magyars & tatars in early 200AD . A minor sub branch of these folks called themselves Aryans as in zand avesta Airya.

2-Different sub branches of this large group managed to migrate in western & southern directions due to different factors such as Mittanis in northern Syria, & Medeo Persians in old Iran.

3-At present , any discussion on that term should & must only  be in cultural & lingual term .

Having said all that, in today's Iran any racial connection made by any groups about the term Aryan is either thru sheer ignorance or indolence.

Cheers dear!!!

btw ;  Ilamyte is not # Persian since they are from totaly different language trees with absolutly nothing in lingual commonology.

genetic analysis supports CAIS article on origin of Aryans

This genetic analysis gives support to the CAIS article on the origin of Aryans.   

Aryans' Immigration

//www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Anthropology/aryans_immigration.htm

 By: Dr Reza Moradi Ghiasabadi

 This is a slightly long but very interesting article based on author's book on the same subject; Aryan migration.  Read the article to see why migration from the supposedly northern regions is improbable and basically:

Ilamites = Persians = Aryans.  

Based on 1. Climatological Evidences, 2. Archaeological Evidences,  3. Mythological Evidences and 4. Old Texts, (and now, genetic evidence) the author states that:

"On the basis of above facts, the theory of Aryan migration from north toward the present Persia and Asia Minor does not seem feasible. What is more probable is that Aryans are native people who lived on this land due to its most favorable living conditions since antiquity. This is supported by abundant traces of civilizations found while there is no trace of any similar settlements in any nearby places. Cultural and civil changes of the Iron Age are indeed the rational development of the Bronze Age and not the result of the arrival of another tribe to the region. These native Aryans migrated to the high lands during the intense increase in rainfall and returned to their previous lowlands after the intense decrease in rainfall. They migrated from the heart of Persia at least twice after the great flood."

Also, e.g., based on the old Zoroastrian texts, the "north" was the place of Ahriman and could not be the origin of Aryans.

Then, in conclusion: 

........."On the basis of all the above facts discussed here briefly, it seems that Persians (Iranians) did not migrate with Aryans to Persia (Iran), but migrated ‘in Persia’ and ‘from Persia’ and moved to other places."

another British conspiracy against our Aryan homeland!

 What do they mean by saying  we Iranians are not Aryan? 

Are they blind?  Have they not  seen a single picture of that fine specimen of a tall, blonde blue eyed, handsome Aryan manhood, the beloved, democraticaly elected president of our great islamo aryan Republic, Doktoor Mahmood ahmadinezhad ?

nagoftam hamash zire sare in inglisi haast?

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

dear AB

What I am saying is that, there's nothing defined genetically, as Aryan.

For me, Aryan is only a group of people living in that area, speaking the language and having accomplished the first steps of the human civilization. There is (and has never been) nothing genetic, about being Aryan.

I know you have lots of knowledge and study in this regard. Please enlighten us, if I am wrong. I just copy a link from Wiki to debut the discussion, but there  will be more references to Muller theory, if it will be needed.

 //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

%10 Aryan ruling class & %90 Indo-Dravidian-Ilymite-khouz subjec

Thats my take on kiaani Iran just as in India. A very minute minority Aryan migrants moving in & welcomed more or less by the massive majority Indo-Dravidian khouzi natives ,awed & mesmerized, by their culture & differences and thus affording them super human titles(Farr e Izzadi) as kings , commanders & Dehghan class. Now I do suspect that for the most part the Dravidian-Ilymites followed the ways, language , culture & religions of the Medeo-Persian ruling class and faithfully defended Iran alongside against Greek-Roman-Hun invasions yet by the end of Sassanid reign were alienated to the point that a big chunk of them actualy co-operated with Arab invaders since they felt an ethnic comradship. Salman the FK was definitly one of these Dravidian-Ilymites who changed loyalties for exchange of class power.

Souri khanoum is right. Why the fuss lately to prove Iranians are "azz bikh Arab"..::)) ...So now thanks to the all mighty charitable British we Indo-Paki-dravidian Iranians can rest assured that Papa England is rewriting history for us..next stop call the bulldozor guy to get rid of the physical evidence on Naghshe Rostam as well ;:). I dont know who is funding these shady researches lately, IRI, the British? ....Why is the British so hell bent & obsessed to prove that old Iran is not what it claimes to be?, why the obsession to prove half of Seyeds are indeed of Arab race?..What are they trying to prove... I know & hope every one else know as well. 

To subdue a nation, you need first to  revise-degrade their past & erase their identity.

This is a pure BS

I don't know how these "great" scientists, waste their time and energy to prove that something wrong, doesn't exist!

Aryan, is not a race. The meaning of the word Aryan, was used wrongly by the Nazi, to promote racism and war against other people (Jews especially)

Muller himself, had repeatedly emphasized that Aryan is only to refer to a group of people (Indo-Europeans speakers) and has nothing to do with the genetics,,,,

How many times we have to discuss this matters here?