A very active contributor on IC, Capt_Ayhab, posted a blog on me [lol]. I came down to see what's the matter and found that this post was after an earlier post on monarchists in which this contributor used harsh language against a public and living personality, Reza Pahlavi.
Several, pro-monarchist and neutral, people were shocked about this behavior. When the discussion became too tight, the contributor Capt_Ayhab asked people to leave his blog because he was upset of their attitude! Qualifying it sometimes as childish!
I, Shaban Bimokh, was then wondering if the freedom of speech can always go in one way? On a public forum, have we the right to use curse language against a public figure because of freedom of speech and be upset when some fans of these people attack us in return? What are their rights? So I am about to ask publicly Capt_Ayhab some questions:
Question #1: What are your [Capt_Ayhab] feelings after that people attacked you personally?
Question #2: What are the rights of your detracors? Imagine for example that one of your detracors is simple RP, have you the right asking him to leave your blog because you find RP making personal attacks [even if RP uses an anonymous avatar]?
Question #3: Can Capt_Ayhab flag a curse comment while he used curse language himself?
Question #4: Capt_Ayhab is a teacher, I was wondering what mark would he have gave to RP if RP was his student?
Question #5: Do people have the right to judge other people upon what their parents did?
I find that it isn't nice to attack people, but I find that it's my freedom of speech to attack verbally a person if I find that (s)he behaves dreadfully on a public forum. Am I wrong?
P/S The photo is me in hell.
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Ayhab is not...
by Was Rosie on Mon Apr 26, 2010 03:24 PM PDTa supporter of IRI. Hopefully this misunderstanding has been clarified between you guys by now.
//iranian.com/main/blog/capt-ayhab/hellsent
Well, iat least Shaban Bimokh and BACHEH POROO share a common aesthetic sense.
ps Cap'n, the part that eludes me here is why didn't you just tell them yourself? You never cease to amaze me! ;oP
Shaban Jafari
by Souri on Sun Apr 11, 2010 08:23 AM PDTI truly enjoyed reading your blog. Not only I agree with everything you said here, but also I like to bring to your attention the comment posted (here below) by Free. She/he has a very smart suggestion for you.
Respectfully,
islamo-communist hooligans
by mehdi79 on Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:18 PM PDTDear Shaban Jafari,
everytime some of our elite try to get together & form an aliance one of these hooligans pop up out of nowhere & start toxicating the environment. do you think this is coincidence? as i said before these guys are all SARBAZAN GOMNAM EMAM KHAMENEI LANATOLA ALEIH. they live & feed on people's blood. I dont care if my friend is monarchist or republican or mojahid or socialist since I see the big picture for iran. but these guys are dogmatic & have no respect for different opinions. I accept criticism with open arms but what these guys do is not criticism they insult with hrash words & label people (like Reza Pahlavi as you mentioned). Just try to ignore them as possible or just report them to the owners of Iranian.com if didnt work.
Agha Jafari jan,
by Free on Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:18 PM PDTPlease try your best not to respond to this bache mullah Ayhab anymore. Just stay away from cowardly supporters of the IRI who kill and rape our men and women in Iran. Try not to be tempted, no matter what asinine jibberish comes out of his filty mouth. I now realize that when we respond, we give this dying scavenger new life. He should be dead to us all, and not responding to his garbage would infuriate him more than anything.
Sometimes, silence is golden.
Ayhab, Ey namard pass gheret chi shod ...
by Shaban Jafari on Fri Apr 09, 2010 06:07 PM PDTOnly two clicks? ... LOL
Free.... Love it when you are so HAPPY
by capt_ayhab on Fri Apr 09, 2010 05:59 PM PDTnuf said................... bye children
You only get two clicks and comments from me ......... that is all
-YT
Ayhab, hala bia vassat ghereto bia ...
by Shaban Jafari on Fri Apr 09, 2010 05:55 PM PDTBia, bia aye bi-vafa ...
Hugs to all
by capt_ayhab on Fri Apr 09, 2010 05:55 PM PDTI am flattered guys,,,,,,,,,, I really really really am.....
Keep busy and stay right here ;-)
-YT <<<< Blushing
P/S you forgot my Harley Davidson motor bike in my photo? Shall I post photo of my HOG here?
Qioumars
by Shaban Jafari on Fri Apr 09, 2010 02:55 PM PDTIt’s a pity to see that after 30 years of exil, some people haven’t still got it. In one hand they talk about freedom, right, etc. and in the other they still carry their shameful Ommatie heritage of divisiveness and hate.
Dear Louie Louie,
by Shaban Jafari on Fri Apr 09, 2010 02:41 PM PDTYes I also agree that the majority of Iranians has now acquired a collective political maturity that they won’t be fooled by Khomeini, X or Y anymore. Any people who’ll be of any help to carry out people in their path to freedom are already in people’s side and there is anybody who can undo that.
Please interact more.
Ayhab bayad berakhsseh .... Dast, dast .... Vay Vay
by Shaban Jafari on Fri Apr 09, 2010 02:21 PM PDTA bit strange this Ayhab character, Inghadar mipareh bala, payn, adam nemigueh he's so shy!!
Com'on Ayhab, yeh Guer bia ....
Mr Jafari,
by Qioumars- on Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:10 PM PDTIn his other hatred blog, I told Ahab to calm it down and when I saw that time was about his a## to be kicked off, I left his thread in order to not participate in his lynching. But I see that he profited of the slack period to bring it up again and more harshly this time. This Ayhab character is the kind of guy who needs a continuous opposition for behaving normally like other people!
But to answer to your main question, I think that it’s inevitable that any public personality face criticism, but, it should stay in a civilized manner in order that the society and the personality him/herself profit from these critiques.
Coarseness is just good to dump people. Particularly in this moment that Iran needs cohesiveness; any attempt to destroy any of our political opposition figures just profits Mullahs. RP has repeatedly said that Iranians have to decide for their future, he represents a political movement in our country and he should not be treated like this in any public forums.
Dear SJ
by Louie Louie on Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:13 AM PDTI can assure you I had no intention of changing the subject of your blog. I saw the satire and I enjoyed it very much. I am not a good writer and I do not take things so seriously.
I'm quite open minded toward whoever wants to do something positive for Iran, be it RP or somebody else and I think that's the mentality of so many of Iranians. All we want is someone who believes in democracy.
I really do not understand all the hostility toward RP. They call him all sorts of nasty names and I just don't get it.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
Mehdi79,
by Shaban Jafari on Fri Apr 09, 2010 09:58 AM PDTYou are absolutely right in saying these hooligans have the mission to cause division among patriotic iranians.
I don't know if they are all paid, but what is clear is that divisiveness is coded in their Bacheh-Mullahi blood.
I'm wondering, where might be Ayhab now? He did so many Takhteh-Shelingue all the yesterday long before that this blog was posted and now he's quite like a lamb!!
I however beg to differ that when some Bacheh-Mullah come disturb your tranquility you have to seat and watch him do. Not because I think that we should stay quite against true Mullahs like Kha.R. - No, I agree with you on that point. But I also think that if a Bacheh-Mullah comes and Shakh-Shooneh Keshid, (s)he has to be put in his/her place - just like a fire in a room that has to be extinguished in right time.
Cost-of-progress,
by Shaban Jafari on Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:00 AM PDTI don't know if it's exactly that, but when you look at people with some religious background. Though, they are not church-goer themselves but they have a so narrow vision of this world that is simply amazing.
I call them Bacheh-Mullah and Free painted some of their trait which I think are universally true.
But to stick to the subject of this thread, How do we behave in front of some Bacheh-mullahs who think what are good from what are bad for you [and who further become coarse when you confront their ideas]?
Jamshid,
by Shaban Jafari on Fri Apr 09, 2010 09:36 AM PDTYes it should be some laws or governement watch-dog to prevent hatred persons inculcate hate and baseness to helpless children.
No, I would really like to know how Ayhab behaves with children that he doesn't like. It might be at least some dozens of such poor boys/girls in his class every year! It shouldn't be something else with a person who has such a big hatred.
Louie Louie
by Shaban Jafari on Fri Apr 09, 2010 09:32 AM PDTYes, the misfortune is to waste our time in childishness, but one cannot seat and see a child kheili bitarbiati koneh ;)
However, I'll ask you to kindly stick to the subject of this thread. The fundamental question is: Has one the right to piss a public figure in a public forum and to ask his detractors to be kind with him/her in return?
Political hooligans islamo-communists
by mehdi79 on Fri Apr 09, 2010 08:21 AM PDTMY dear what are you talking about? these guys wont answer to you they only answer to ALLAH or LENIN-STALIN ... they are far PORROO & shameless than you think ... these hooligans have the mission to cause division among patriotic iranians ... they get paid for that my firend .. sitting in a room & call tv channels to distrupt their normal programs or post hateful comments on websites ... dont bother with these animals .. let them loose their souls ... i doubt if they even have a soul .. probably sold it to AKHOND CHALGHOOZ in QOM when they were having homosexual affairs or uncle STALIN. these bacheh islamist-communists are very HAGHIR & RAZL ... lets focus on their bosses (KHAMENEI & likes) & rid Iran of these ISLAMO-COMMUNIST impurities (FILTH)
jamshid
by Cost-of-Progress on Fri Apr 09, 2010 08:38 AM PDT" Now go THANK GOD and count your blessings that your kids are not attending his classroom."
That is actually a very valid point. What and where does this character teach? So much hate and venom canot be a good thing specially as a teacher. It is too bad that people like him focus their energy in a negative way. They are never happy.
These people live in the past - true that what we had before was no bed of roses, but past is past. Why spend so much energy on it to the point that it cripples our abilities to make things better NOW?
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IRAN FIRST
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Shaban Jafari
by jamshid on Fri Apr 09, 2010 03:42 AM PDTI have asked similar questions from Ahyab in his own blog and still waiting for answers.
Now go THANK GOD and count your blessings that your kids are not attending his classroom.
This is hilarious!
by Louie Louie on Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:15 PM PDTMordam az khandeh. Thank you!
Bachehaye bad az otagham berin biroon, ken and barbie doll all mine, mine, mine!!!!!
Free jan,
by Shaban Jafari on Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:27 PM PDTI totally agree. Educated bacheh Mullahs have a Shariati kind of thinking and believe that they know EVERYTHING from EVERYTHING, just because they've read 2 - max 3 - books in their lifes. When you ask them something that they don't know they begin either to Safsateh kardan, using a red herring to divert the discussion, or they become angry.
I don't know what religion learnt to these guys? But it's nothing positive in my view.
Those Shariati tokhmeh Ommati followers who also were too young at the beginning of the revolution just behave exactely the same than their elder!! These semi-knowledgeable "Einsteins" are trying to carry out the voice of people who in their majority don't simply care of their arajifs. But as you say these bacheh por-ooha insist to extend our damnation another 30 years.
What I like the most is their mis-conception of freedom. Everything which goes in their way is welcome, but woe to anyone who contradicts them. I'm wondering what they'll find to answer to the basic questions above.
Jafari Jan,
by Free on Thu Apr 08, 2010 09:51 PM PDTI'm not a monarchist per se either, but it's hard to stand by and watch or read these crude, vindictive posts by bache mullahs, who have raped and raped our motherland for 30 years. They have an agenda, a paid agenda, these professional bloggers. People like us only want what's best for Iran. If that's Reza Pahlavi, then so be it!
Free jan,
by Shaban Jafari on Thu Apr 08, 2010 09:50 PM PDTYou're right. In my view too, justice is the same for all. If one has the right to attack another person - in the sense that (s)he is free to do it - the person that is attacked or his/her friends should also have the right or be free to riposte.
RP is the only political figure who openly said that there must be a free referundum on what Iranians want for their future and it is not Fair that Bacheh Ommaties attack him personally in the behalf of IRI because RP has so many followers. I'm not monarchist but I find that all these vendetta are simply digusting.
If people start to impose their personal believes for the future of Iran, we are good to bear another dar-be-dari turn. These people should simply be let to play in kindergarden not to post mind-corrupted Arajif in public forums. That's my opinion.
Mr. Jafari,
by Free on Thu Apr 08, 2010 09:05 PM PDTYou hit upon a very good point, what if -- and this obviously is a huge hypothetical -- but what if Reza Pahlavi was to respond to this frivolous Ayhab character in kind and return insults of his own, could Ayhab flag and censor Reza Pahlavi and get away with it (using the rationale that Pahlavi is a public figure and should take the heat, and personal insults, and Ayhab is a private figure and should not have to endure personal insults)?
Wouldn't this be a screwed-up result, and isn't this exactly what Ayhab has been getting away with, i.e., he crudely insults Reza Pahlavi all the time and gets away with it, but when one of us call him a "shameless hypocrite in need of mental assistance," (which is far less crude) he flags us, and the genuises at Iranian.com fall for this sort of abuse and censor us.
Only a bache mullah would be so disgustingly porroo, and despicable.