مصدق کي بود؟


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Tapesh
by Tapesh
25-Jun-2011
 

دکتر مصدق به عنوان معمار ملی شدن صنعت نفت ایران که زیر نفوذ بریتانیا (شرکت نفت ایران و انگلیس بعدها بریتیش پترولیوم ـ بی پی) بود شناخته می‌شود. مصدق پس از کودتای ۲۸ امرداد در دادگاه نظامی محاکمه شد. او در دادگاه از کارها و دیدگاه‌های خود دفاع کرد. دادگاه وی را به سه سال زندان محکوم کرد. پس از گذراندن سه سال زندان، دکتر مصدق به ملک خود در احمد آباد رانده شد و تا پایان زندگی زیر نظارت شدید بود. در ۱۴ اسفند ماه ۱۳۴۵ دکتر محمد مصدق بدلیل بیماری سرطان، در سن ۸۴ سالگی درگذشت.

محمد مصدق (۱۲۶۱ - ۱۳۴۵) سیاست‌مدار، دولت‌مرد، چند دوره نمایندهٔ مجلس شورای ملی، و نخست‌وزیر ایران در سال‌های ۱۳۳۰ تا ۱۳۳۲ بود.


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Parham

"Okay, they killed Jazani"

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"That's all I'll admit though." "Okay, there were his buddies too." "But you know what I mean."

So Siavash jan, is that all "they" killed??

And so Mossadegh and his Tudeh buddies would have turned Iran into another Bulgaria, huh? That's why the Shah had to get involved in a coup with the CIA, it was to save Iran from becoming Bulgaria numero dos, heh? (note he probably didn't think of Romania, as he and Ceausescu were good buddies).

The hell if we sell oil at Brit prices, huh? The hell if we sell the country to Americans. Heck, as long as Teheran doesn't become Sofia... And if there is a Jazani, we'll just take him up to Evin mountains and shoot him, huh? The heck with it...

And then another thing that kind of caught my eye in your message: "Vote" for RP? Where?? Has there already been a new revolution, or a take over that I don't know of? Or is RP running in the next IR election and that's who Behnoud was in favor of voting for, that smarty-pants?


Siavash300

Dear Parham, I said so many things beside torture or killing

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"So are you saying there was no torture (or killing) when the Shah was in power" Parham 

 Savak agent came forward on state T.V (after revolution) and confessed that he and his co-workers  took Jazani and his 3 other comrades on the hill of Evin and shot them in one morning in April of 1975. Jazani was the one who wrote Tarekh -e -30 saleh and his was prominent person in Fadaeyan Khalgh organization. The nephew of Rahmatolah Jazani the prominent person in Tudeh party in 1953. Do you want me to deny that? no, I won't.  But that is not the point. I explained in my blog that Evin prison met the standard of human right. I was amazed to see the place that clean with green pistacho kitchen cabinets and silver counter top. It appeared much better than many European countries jails. I never forget that. Mullahs lied to take power. Exagerated, fabricated and deceived. I want you to extend your view to the wider horizen. See the whole picture rather than small part of our history. See where we were during Qjar and where we were by late 70's when shah left the country and see where we are right now. History proved all those bastards such as Shariati, Farhard, Masood Kimiai, Makhbalbof, Al Ahmad....you name it.. all were KHAEN. Look what these bastards did by provoking people against shah. 3 million homeless Iranians around the world. They were begging for visa outside Iran. Prostitution, drug addiction. low and very low standard of living, especially in small towns inside Iran. people live like animals in so many areas. I am sorry to say that but that is fact of our society at present time. Now, talking about Jazani and his comrades execution on top of hill is very simple matter that only Islamic criminals wants to make a noise out of it to cover their crimes. If shah won't come back in 1953 and Mosaddeq with his Tudeh buddies (20,000 members) were runing the country, has it ever come across your mind what would have been happened? Afghanistan experience in 1978 is good example of what would have been happened if shah wouldn't return in 1953.

 Bulgeria and Yougoslavia were vivid examples of those democratic countries. Women were selling their bodies for exchange of pack of cigarrette or pair of socks back in 70's when Iranian truck drivers  were coming back from those countries and telling us many stories. Now, when they were talking about Jazani execution they won't say anything about what would have been happened if Jazani and his comrades would have prevailed. Beyond shadow of doubt, the stories of Bulgeria and Yougoslavia would have been happened to Iran if shah wouldn't return in 1953. But mullahs say the first part but avoid to say the second part. The part that Jazani previals is equal to poverty and prostitution.  More the less, the same thing is happening at present time. Our sisters are selling their bodies to survive. Just to make a living. It hurts the heart of any decent person. Isn't that bothering you?  It does bothers me a lot. That is the reason I am sitting here and writing to you. I am sure once Reza Pahlavi takes the office we are going to solve so many of our problems. Vote for him.

Thanks,

Siavash


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قضاوت و سنجش از روی کلیت و مجموعه مبارزات و زندگی سیاسی

Hooshang Tarreh-Gol


فتح الله جان ، هیچ کس خالی از اشتباه نیست و هرکس به اندازه خویش مسول
اشتباهات  خویش. شاید بزرگترین اشتباه دکتر مصدق کم بها دادن به کودتای در
راه بود و همگی ما و خودش عواقب آن را دید و دارد میبیند (و این تنها
اشتباه و کاستی وی نیز نبود) . در منتهای امر بحث  بر سر قضاوت تاریخی و
کلیت دست آوردها و عملکرد افراد ، احزاب و دوره های تاریخی میباشد.
بنابر این اگر قضاوت و سنجش ما از روی کلیت و مجموعه مبارزات و زندگی  دکتر
مصدق  باشد ، مبارزات و زندگی سیاسی وی در کلیت تاریخی خویش کماکان  نمونه
کم نظیری است.

Fatollah

هوشنگ خان

Fatollah


من فکر نمی کنم کسی در قلب و روحش انتآی مصدق باشد
مشکل ما ایرانیان شاید در این ۶۰ و یا ۹۰ و اندی سال، تند روی و نداشتن تحمل به دیدگاهای متفاوتمان باشد،
همه چی یا سیاه است یا سفید٬ یادمان میرود که قسمتی وجود دارد خاکستری،
اگه باور این باشد که مردم ایران و روشنفکران یا فعالان سیاسی در صطح جبههٔ ملی مرتکب اشتباه وهیچ قصوری نداشته اند وشاه یکه وتنها مسئول نکبتی که ۳۲ سال است گریبانگیر آنیم، این دیدگاه کاملاً اشتباه است


Parham

Siavash

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So are you saying there was no torture (or killing) when the Shah was in power?


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Siavash

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You are right about your analysis of people's perception of Shah in 1979. Traitors like Farhad and xenophobes like Al Ahmad worked hard. I was a middle class young man. I used to listen to Farhad and think he was so cool. I despise him now and can not even take his youtubes for one second. Now I realize his primary ability was to whine. Farhad; Al Ahmad; Shariati and their like turned people against Shah. No matter how much Shah did for Iran they kept whining.

Then there was Golesorkhi. My young impressionable mind saw him as brave rather than stupid. Now I realize he was a "divaneh zanjiri" who should have been locked up from birth. But I also mistrusted Khomeini and Marxists more. So I did nothing. I did not oppose the Shah; I did not support him. I was wrong I should have actively supported the Shah. Unlike some I am willing to admit my mistake. I was wrong! Now let us see the great "democrats" say the same thing; they will not.

Now we or at least the honest ones realize our mistake. My father showed me a youtube of a Mollah saying something like: "maybe if we work hard people will be happy like they were during days of Shah". Even the stinky Mollah realized it although I am not sure he even knew it! What do you know an honest Mollah :-) It will take return of Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi to restore Iran. He is no match for his grandfather I grant you. But he is the best we got and Iran needs him.

 


Darius Kadivar

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Siavash300

Parham's question

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"If they were so happy, why was there a revolution?" Parham
 

Stinky mullahs lied to people and revolution took place. Mullahs made it sounds like there will be paradise waiting for Iranians once Islamic government establish. They set fire in Cinema Rex and blamed it on shah and Savak. Khomainie was able to manipulate uneducated mass's mind in his own benefit. Using people's religion as a islamic shia leader in his benefit. During day of Ashura, Tehran was close to civil war in those days. He was able to manipulate mass religion passion to the extend that people were able to see his picture on the surface of moon and some people found his hair in Koran. Another lie was related torture chamber in Evin prison. I wrote one blog in that regard under "human right during shah days" you may read that as well. Just click on my name and you will see it.

Another factor that I noticed people make mistake is the fact that  shah in 1979 compleletly is different with shah in 1953.

In 1953, majority of Iranians liked shah and welcomed his return to Iran and his crown.

On strike contrast, In 1979 everybody hated shah even those who were having good life and having good income from shah and his administratiion. That was result of the work of our Ann tellectuals such as Shariati, Golshiri.... Golesorkhi and other idiots whom I call them "Khaen". Those bastards provoked people against shah for 25 years. From Farhad's song about "Seyahkal" to the books of Jalal Al Ahmad. From the books of Al Ahmad's wife (Simin Daneshvar) and her book SEVESHON to the book of Saeed Soltanpoor (Realism and anti realism) Soltanpoor used nick name of Dr. Mitra in those days. All and all were against shah and provoking people against shah. To be against shah was something fashionable back in 70's. If anyone was not against shah he/she wouldn't be considered as an "intellectual".  Those were the ones who put us in this hole these days. 3 million Iranian families like homeless around the world begging from foreign embassy for visa. Something that never happened when shah was on power. Arabs, pakistani and Indians are the only ones who are happy of what happened in Iran because they were  jeolous of Iranians when shah was on power.

As you may know, Iran has highest rate of execution, highest rate of drug addiction, highest rate of prostitution in form of Segheh.  Yes, my friend, Shariati, Golesorkhi, Golshiri, Al ahmad.... alll those ann tellectuals (I avoid to call them intellectuals) were "Khaen". They put us in misery that we see these days. Now, you have to support crown Reza, so happiness comes back to our country like it was before. We would gain our respect back once he comes to the crown, as we were respected during shah days. This is the right way to go.

Sincerely,

Siavash 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Hooshang Jan

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I said "Maso" not Mast sho!


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Hooshang

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Just admit it! You don't know Middle Persian. Ahmad Kasravi would have no trouble translating it. Too bad he was murdered by Islamic freaks years ago. Sadegh Hedayat would have know it as well but he is gone also.


Parham

lol@Hooshang!

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And Siavash: If they were so happy, why was there a revolution?
Oh I see, it was the Americans and the British who did that, eh?


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Come on man, I'm getting a little tipsy, let's call the whole thing off. Mosadegh was put into power, by  Iranians , for Iranians , of Iranians, may he always be happy in Heaven if there's one. Have a nice evening, don't drink too much!


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

I got one for you now Hooshang

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Tell me what this means:

Maso vaho piroozgar bad; meynoye mehre Iran


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Hooshang

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Bebahkshid paye telefon boodam

On the 30th of month of Tir in the Baharstan street Dr Mossadegh became the PM by the hand of; with the blessing of and for the sake of the people. 

If you translate this your English will improve.

Hala kar fahm shodi ya baz mikha azyatam koni?

PS, 

I don't know Arabic so I don't know what Akatebine means. I only speak Persian.


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مصدق در ۳۰ تیر

Hooshang Tarreh-Gol


مصدق در ۳۰ تیر در خیابان بهارستان و به  دست مردم از سوی مردم و برای
مردم  ایران زمین نخست وزیر شد. اینو ترجمه کن انگلیسیت قوی  میشه! 
عاقبت کار شما ها با کرام الکاتبینه! 

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Hooshang

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Dar siyomeh mahe tir tedade ziyadi as tarafdaran doctor mossadegh be dasteh sarbazan shah koshteh shodand. In baesh shod ke tarafdarane mossadeh tazahorate jadid va ziyadi konand. Shah negaran shod; ghavan estefa dad va shah dobareh mossadeg ra be maghame nokhost vazir entesab kard. 

Sorry I don't have Persian fonts on my Linux. But you get the gist of it right? I know what happened and I speak Persian as well as you do. If you like write something in Farsi and I will translate it for you.


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If you ignorant, arrogant anti-mosadegh you know whats, could

by Hooshang Tarreh-Gol on

only write or carry a decent, coherent, mature conversation in Farsi it would be worth something. But you can't even do that, which makes all of this worthless.

Aghay Sivash Khan: the only dif between you and a tape recoder, is that you could read and understand, a tape recorder can't.  But you refuse, and remain ignorant, thus a closet fascist. You could carry on with your 'tape recorder' act, with all those pre-packaged pitches and slogans and "only" this and "only" that, for as long as you want, but rest assured that life is a lot more complicated that your "only" this and "only" that...It's always worth increasing your worth on this Earth, materially or spiritually: reading remains the best way for increasing your spiritual worth. My young compatriot a  mind is a terrible thing to waste.

VPK, I challenge you to write a coherent paragarph (short paragarph) on 30 of Tir in Persian. I rest my case, cheers


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Siavash

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The one who are emotional are the worst. They know they messed up and are afraid to admit it. So they hold tooth and nail to their delusion. Otherwise the whole house of cards will fall. Human have trouble with that.

At least the people who use logic are able to reason out their mistakes. That is why I doubt you will even get anywhere with the left over Mossadeghis. These are die hard ones who build their whole life on this. Now you want to tell them they lived a lie. You are right of course but they won't accept it. Because if they did their lives becomes meaningless and that they won't accept. Good luck anyway and truly my best wishes in your work.


Siavash300

V.P.K I try my best..

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I feel some of them like Parham is very emotional but I think deep down in their heart they realize what I am saying is correct and I am right. Look Mash Ghasem is critical of Capitalism and spend all his life in Capitalist country such as Canada during his high school and then America, now he talks of socialism (what a hypocracy).  The truth shows itself sooner or later.

Crown Reza Pahlavi is the only way our country can succeed. Padeshahi is the only solution to our ongoing problem these days. We can have democratic country like U.K once cown Reza Pahlavi take the office. Happiness will comes back to our country once again, I am sure Parham and Mash Ghasem deep in their heart know that fact, but they just want to argue here.

BTW, don't forget Naser-din-shah had 40 children you never know where those children are about and what their offspring is doing. They may be on this site. In that senario, you're right I am just wasting my time.

Sincerely,

Siavash


Siavash300

Come on Mr. Mash Ghasem.. what an expectation!!

by Siavash300 on

Are you expecting me to spend half of my life digging in liberary to find out women were covering their faces like a cave people during Qjar and they modernized and dressed like Europeans during Reza Shah the Great. ?  What do you know right now is important. People were happy during shah days. Aren't you agree with that? What we should do to make our people as happy and well respected as it was during shah days? that is the question. How much I worth is not an issue here.

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Siavash

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You are never going to convince the Mossdegh worshipers. This fight has been going on since before 1953 and will go on until the last of them is gone. Same with MEK. Our nation is cursed with having a bunch of people who rather spend all their times hating each other while the house is burning. This is the way the people are. Once they are done with this I am sure they will find something else to fight over. That is why IMHO Reza Khan was so necessary. He kicked their *** and made them all behave. Instead of whining do some real work for once!


Mash Ghasem

Siavash Dearest thou shall find all the answers to your

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queries in these books about the Constitutional Revolution:

Tarikh Bidary Iranian (The History of Iranian Awakening)

Tarikh Mashrooteh , Kasravy

Any book by Feraydon Adamiet on the topic.

Any book by Homa Nategh on the topic.

After reading and understanding something about the Constitutional Revolution , then your worth might  increase.


Siavash300

None of the comments address the issue

by Siavash300 on

The issue persist. Where we were during Qjar dynasty? Where we are under Turban dynasty? What can we do our people to be happy as it was during shah days? I don't understand why these people are afraid to answer simple questions.

Dear Parham,

doesn't it make any different that I live in Shoosh or Nazi Abad or California? I still don't understand the relationship of individual private life and Iran historical fact.

Sincerely,

Siavash

My name since I was born.

Hope you don't ask for my phone number. I am still young, never been married, looking forward to get married soon. no children. Hope this little biography satisfy your curiosity.  


Parham

Typically...

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... a warped mind makes a case of Mozaffareddin Shah smoking opium to relate it to Mosaddegh in order to defend Reza Shah and Mohammad Reza Shah!

And when I ask where these people come from, nobody has an answer. Funny thing is, Reza Shah himself used to smoke opium! A lot of it, too. : )

Mr. Hooshang Tarreh-Gol, it's great that you're here -- but this is useless as you'll find out like us before you. You're dealing with dinosaurs who'll eventually die all by themselves somewhere in the deserts of California...


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ملت ار بداند ثمر آزادی را, بر کند ز بن ریشه استبدادی را

Hooshang Tarreh-Gol


ملت  ار  بداند   ثمر   آزادی  را
بر کند ز بن ریشه استبدادی را 

سروده مشروطه
در مجموعه نفیس زیر که گنجینه ای از آثار استاد اسفندیار منفرد زاده
میباشد. آوازی  از سال ۱۳۵۲ (ترانه ها به ترتیب سال هستند) به نام "سروده مشروطه" بر اساس شعری از عارف قزوینی و اجرای زنده یاد گیتی پاشایی میباشد، که توجه دوستان را بدان جلب
مینمایم. روز خوش =================================== //www.parand.se/t-yadman-esfand.htm


Siavash300

Truth eventually prevail

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" it was the Constituional Revolution and its intellectuals and poets (Taghi Rafaat probabaly the most outstanding), that made ideas of modern world available for the public at large in Iran" Hooshang Tarreh-Gol

Any unbias persoan who read above statement immediately think of Iran revolution in 1979 and the fact that intellectuals and poets who made ideas of "Azadi" available for the public at large in Iran were NOT able to accomplish that? nothing even close to that concept ever been accomplished since revolution in 1979.  Intellectuals such as Shariati, Hoshang Golshiri, Al Ahmad, Erani, Saeed soltanpoor......  etc. Now, we see the role of the leader in shaping the history, especially in a country that historically the people's idea conceptualize in a mind set of one person in a top. Therefore, we can conclude Reza shah idea make Dr. Kazemzadeh dress in modern style and post his avatar in the same fashion.


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تقی رفعت و دیگر روشنفکران انقلاب مشروطیه

Hooshang Tarreh-Gol


Nobody owes anything to anyone, especially concerning attire.

As far as the  ideas of modernity, and a practice to institutionalize them in Iran: it was the Constituional Revolution and its intellectuals and poets (Taghi Rafaat probabaly the most outstanding), that made ideas of modern world available for the public at large in Iran. Adolph Reza Khan just killed and manipulated his way to power, his triumph was the last nail in the coffin of Constitutional Revolution.


Siavash300

Dear Parham, We shouldn't be Bot Parast

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From one hand we struggle for "Democracy" and from the other hand we try to make a hero from someone. That doesn't work my friend. Even if we dig into life of Opium addict shah known as Mosafare-din-shah, we will find some positive trait for Iran and Iranians, but that is NOT the point. What we have to look at historical event is the fact where we were during Qjar and where we are heading to after turban dynasty. Now, by looking at the video you posted not long ago, any rational observer realize that, we were way behind our time during Qjar mongolian dynasty and we are way away from progress since these Islamic criminals occupied Iran. In a broader aspect,we see we only accomplished modernization during Pahlavi dynasty. Look at Dr.Masood Kazemezadeh avatar with suit and tie, guess whom he owes this attire ? yes, to Reza shah the Great who unified our attire based on modern standard and modern world. Most likely Dr. Masood doesn't see that. He probably doesn't even think about it. Now, does Reza khan owes us for modernizing our country ? no, we should appreciate and move on without making Bot from Reza Khan.

At present time,  Crown Reza Pahlavi is still alive and we all together can make our country progress and be happy as it was during shah days. He is the ultimate and only way to go. Again, not in a sense of being BOT or something like dictatorship which is old concept and doesn't apply to our modern world.  I think any rational person without bias can see that. I also think that sooner or later majority of Iranians will reach to that conclusion.

Sincerely,

Siavash


Parham

رو که نیست

Parham


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The most civilized government in Iranian history: legislative

by Hooshang Tarreh-Gol on

record.

Dr. Mosadegh (RIP) led a government that in span of less than two years passed about some 200 of the most progressive Bills ever seen in the history of of Iranian Legislation (from Constitutional Revolution up to IR, bar none). Let us ask: what is one of the most civilized ways for positive change in a country? Passing of progressive bills in the parliament. If we take passing of such laws as our index, then Dr.Mosadegh's government is indeed the most civilized we have seen so far, no other parliament in Iranian history even comes close.

As the anniversary of 30 Tir gets around the corner, we all could contemplate on what Mosadegh said about the true nature of a parliament, on that day: The Parliament is where the people are. And he was in the streets, on people's hands, raised by the hands of the people. Determining their own destinies.

بیا تا به یاد شهیدان تیر
که رفتند در راه فتح و امید
بدان اخگرانی که افروختند
دل و جان به دامان صبح سپید
به پا کنیم پرچم عرق جبین 
پی افکنیم زندگانی نوین
خروش ما بر کند بنای بیداد
به سر رسد این نبرد آخرین
به سر رسد این نبرد آخرین