Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Divaneh

I am not talking about "Khate Miikhi". Din Dabireh is one of the simplest alphabet in the world. You don't know what you are talking about. Please do some reading before you put your foot in your mouth.

Darveesh

not till Lurs, Kurds, Gilaki's, Azari's, Arabs in the south, Armenians,
Asoori's, Balouchi's, Mongholii's, Rashties, and the rest have any
fighting breath in their beings. 

1) Who appointed you as the representative of all these people? 

2) Hey genius SamSam *was* talking about multiculturalism. I guess your idea is "your way or the highway". I see.

3) I was just waiting for the garbage about racism. You took the bait. You guys are soo predictable it is not even funny.

Beauty of Avestan

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Avestan-LE.jpg

Kiaani Iran will be a bilingual state of "Parsi" & "Farsi"????

not till Lurs, Kurds, Gilaki's, Azari's, Arabs in the south, Armenians, Asoori's, Balouchi's, Mongholii's, Rashties, and the rest have any fighting breath in their beings.

say good bye to reza pahlavi racist Internationale Nazi/fascist  philosophy you inherited and say hello to modern multi cultural Iran.

What a good idea

I suggest that we also throw away our sheets of paper and start writing on animal skin. Even better we can get our chisels out and carve our thoughts on tablets of stone. Sounds fantastic.

If however we are not going much further than just changing the alphabet, then my vote goes to the Chinese alphabet, just to be difficult.

Anahid Jan

Shetaban? You got to be kidding! It has been 1400 years since we took Avestan seriously. If we go any slower we will be a match for the US Senate :-) It is high time to reclaim our heritage. Seriously I like SamSam's idea: freedom to chose our own path.

Kiaani Iran will be a bilingual state of "Parsi" & "Farsi"

This has been my semi proposal & solution for the issue;

In future ideal Kiaani democratic federal system the choice is left to "people of Iran" under no Ommatie pressure to choose to communicate & educate in the national language & alphabet of their own choice be it Parsi or Farsi.

For those fans of Arabic script & Farsi , nobody will stop em in communicating in their dialect. Yet at the same token, they shall not & can not dictate to others as what form to communicate with. Hence, Parsi & Persian script shall be taught in parallel to Farsi & Arabic script.

Let the nation decide their preference in a democratic process. Unless ofcourse one neither believes in democracy nor simply Irano Medeo Persian heritage which I reckon the latter is the more likely cause behind the resistance. 

Let freedom reign & No to the status quo cultural dictatorship!!!

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

Dear Anahid

It is not up to me to change our alphabet! It would be the height of arrogance for me to think I could make such a change. However I would like to see the old alphabet brought out of obscurity and get the attention it deserves. 

I fully anticipate that for decades maybe centuries to come the existing alphabet for be primarily used. But if would be good if our children were also exposed to the old ways. The Avestan writing is a very beautiful and alluring script :-)

وی پ ک عزیز , به کجا چنین شتابان ؟

Dear VPK, I consider our present alphabet Iranian.  Just because Arabs share most of our alphabet 's letters and even though Farsi has many arabic words, are not enough reasons for me to replace my present alphabet with any other alphabet.  Our present script is Iranian to me because of the followings:

I learned how to read when I read:

بابا آب داد

I read many poems growing up in this script.  Poems such as:

کوچه , پرواز را به خاطر بسپار , آرش کمانگیر ,زمستان , اشعار انقلابی از لاهوتی و فرخی یزدی

I read many books growing up in this script.  Books such as:

ماهی سیاه کوچولو از صمد بهرگی , همسایه ها از احمد محمود , چشمهایش و ورق پاره های زندان از بزرگ علوی , کتابهای طنز تنکابنی ,...

I even read works of great writers of the world when they were translated to Farsi in this script.  I can go on and on.   I don't want to throw baby out with the bath water.  When there is more time, maybe I will write a blog about this.  But meanwhile, I wanted to write that this script is Iranian and dear to me.

Dear Abarmard

I have done plenty of things:

• I make posts regarding people's rights in Iran.
• I am constantly writing and calling my US representatives. Both to support human rights in Iran and to oppose military action.
• I am a member of Iranian  International Council.
• I give donations and try to help Iranian causes.
• I offered my blood to help Iranians in need of transplant. I was not a match but may sometime be.
• I try to educate my American fellows as to what is going on in Iran.

Why shouldn't I express my desire for the old Persian script. It is only as dead as we make it. Once people like me and other interested people learn it; that will make it alive in us. I fully intend to teach it to my children.

There is more to life than just struggle. No one lives on just one single thing. This is something I feel passionate about. Don't you do things you are interested in? Maybe art; poetry; or something? This is my version of it. 

Dear VPK

If you and I focus on what truly matters, such as people rights in Iran, would be much more beneficial than trying to bring a dead script that perhaps was not good enough those days let alone now. 

thanks for clarification

i was jealous all of you had a working knowledge of avestan language.

people enamoured of their languages sometimes like to pepper it with older stages.

now i understand that you want to use avestan alphabet for writing modern persian.

Clarification on Avestan

Humanbeing: thank you my friend. I appreciate your comments. They bring out and issue that I should have addressed before. But I did not! Therefore I will now.

There are two different meanings to the use of Avestan with respect to language. I want to clarify it so as to avoid any confusion.

• Avestan language. This is the old Persian language. Spoken by Hakhamaneshids and abandoned long before Islam. This is very close to Sanskrit and a Persian speaker will not understand it. By the time of Sassanids the only ones who spoke it were the priests. Sort of like Latin is used by the clergy in Catholicism. This is a very complex language and mostly known by scholars.
• Avestan Script. Aka: Din Dabireh. This was developed bythe Sassanids in order to unambiguously express Avestan prayers. It is far younger than Avestan and may be used to express ANY spoken word. It is very simple to learn and a dedicated person will be able to pick it up in a few months. This is what I am talking about in this blog.

VPK

thanks for the fonts

sam sam.

vpk: i'm not ideologically or emotionally involved as you are, but in my own 'autistic' way, i get excited by alphabets and grammars of ancient languages. shame i can't speak persian. but this blog and thread bring me back full circle, almost:

on one of the dishevelled shelves of my chaotic study, staring at me, is a book i once received from my father, who tried to get through to me in my younger days by means of treasures found in used book stores:  'a practical grammar of the avesta language', published 1891 in bombay by kavasji edalji kanga. gotta hand it to him, he had a great touch, even though he wasn't interested in such things. i could do a whole blog about his inadvertent finds in used bookshops.

it was a mutually satisfying exchange, he used to love to buy books, even if he didn't intend to read them, and i was frittering away my youth doing a freefall into an incommunicado tunnel of social and emotional solitary confinement with grammar books and dictionaries. i even used to give him the time of day for a short while after he brought in the new catch.

in hindsight, with a teenager of my own, i can acknowledge that i really gave him an awful time, and this book is a testimony to his desperate attempts to connect with me. 

i never got to 'teach myself' avesta. sanskrit got the better of me, and then i came out of my shell and started to interact with people, and my beloved grammar collection fell into severe neglect.

thanks to your blog, i dared to open this small volume today. from distance of time, i actually was able to leaf through it without painful memories, just pleasure: i read a bit about compound nouns and adjectives, about the verbal system.

one of the fascinating things about this for me, is in fact the connections with other languages, and in this case, with sanskrit. i don't think that the sanskrit influence, for example, which is structural and not merely lexical, is necessarily a maculation, a 'stain' on the avesta, but rather an enriching cross-pollenization of cognate but varying elements.

i am very happy that i opened the book and opened up memories (even if they weren't all wonderful). you are lucky to have such an interesting language.

It's friend, simply

I can totally relate to your sentiment. And as long as this desire is being classified as a personal sentiment, and not a national task, it might- so unfortunately- remain publicly unappreciated.

I am fully aware of deficiencies of our present alphabet, and I believe it's doable to change it for better.

Did you notice? I called it "our alphabet", with no "Arab" adjective. I can't see it from an ultra-nationalistic point of view.

I wish you a good night, till then...

Comrade or is it rafigh :-)

Thanks for the links here. Personally I use Latin for writing to friends who don't speak English or are happier speaking Persian. I know they will be able to read and to respond; no need for special fonts. I think it is becoming a defacto second method. Unfortunately it is ad-hoc and it could use standardization.

I do like to read old texts in Pahlavi / Avestan as a personal thing. Unfortunately the Arabs did a through job of destroying most of the books. So there is little to go on. 

I wish more people would show interest in the old writings. Maybe even start doing a Pahlavi writing club for those interested.  

In fact we could have several alternatives:

• Modren Persian ins its normal form as the main alphabet as is used now.
• Latin with some standardization for use outside of Iran. 
• Pahlavi as a specialized script for people like me and others interested.

As mullahs charge their victims' survivors for the bullets!!!

Do I, really, have to pay for my exiled nights?!

As far as that alphabet is concerned, and as far as I know it was spearheaded by one of our leftist parties, which was in and out of itself enough a reason, to be confronted with public hesitance, if not dismay.

We are, VPK, kind of people who stopped liking Marzieh's voice, for her "cult"ish tendencies.

I, personally, can be an active advocate of converting our alphabet to Latin. And I have found this eurofarsi quite practical.

But as you know, it's a huge professional task which should be looked into void of any bias, favouritism, and hatred.

Behnevis.com !

Phinglish on www.behnevis.com

It's awesome...

Peace

Euro Farsi

Comrade is this getting any traction? Just curious.

Comrade

Rezerve shoma baraye jazire meshe shabi do hezar dollar. Beferestid be JJ begid ke bedeh be man. Safar khosh va slamat!!

SamSam Jan

Thank you my friend.

I am not under any delusion about this. I just want to start something. Most likely it will be limited to a small group of interested people. But you got to start somewhere.

Regarding the status quo you are absolutely right. They have too much vested in this. Personally I just don't see any point in using Persianized Arabic alphabet. I figure either do it right i.e. use Avestan / Pahlavi or take the easy route of writing in Latin script. I never did like to go for the in between.

Greatness of tasks are measured by their feasibility

اگر ممکنه لطفا یه جا هم واسه من به مقصد جزیره‌ تبعیدی رزرو کنید.

//www.eurofarsi.com/

VPK

Pal,  

Link for Avestan font;

 //minerva.stkate.edu/offices/academic/classics.nsf/pages/avestafonts/

Parthian font;

//www.iranchamber.com/scripts/pahlavi_script.php

Pahlavi font;

//www.iranchamber.com/scripts/pahlavi_script.php

Once installed you need JJ & Foad's help in programming the platform to accept it. Mind you, I reckon even in current format we can still use the html to insert such characters in our comments but never tried to find out the code that needs to be applied for the format to accept these.

btw* You are on the right track. How ever for this endeaver to bear fruit you 1st need to kidnap the entire status quo academic/literary ommatie sonnati elite in & outside ommatestan, place them on an island in the Pacific under resort arrest :) and then objectively put your proposal to 85 million Iranians worldwide.

Cheers & God speed !!!

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia