Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

farhad.khujandi

Your points make sense. I specially agree that Persian speaking nations should have a uniting script. Therefore your argument is quite powerful in that respect. It is critical for our nations to be close and work together.

However you misunderstand some of my other points:

1. I was not advocating full replacement of the Perso-Arabic script with Din Dabireh. Just that we resurrect it and start using it where it makes sense. Plus familiarity with our heritage and history is very important.
2. I am not talking about purity in any form. A script as you know is not a language it is a way to put sounds to writing,.  Din Dabireh is more accurate than the Arabic based script since it preserves sounds with accuracy. For example in Perso-Arabic try writing "sam" for poison as opposed to "som" for hooves. They are identical. I remember once my Persian literature teacher getting confused over this while reading a book. It was pretty funny. You will not see this with Din Dabireh due to its acuracy.
3. There is a renewed interest in Zoroastrianism specially among Iranians. Many Iranians are religious by nature. But because of the failure of Islamic Republic Islam is being rejected by an increasing number of Iranians. That leaves a gap that needs to be filled. The natural religion for us is Zoroastrian since it totally fits with our culture and history. In fact Tajikistan has been on active in promoting it at the UN. Do not discount the ancient religion of both yours and my ancestors.

Perso-Arabic script is better.

Salam / Dorood,

Came across your blog post, so I decided to add my views. I think Perso-Arabic script better suits Persian speakers and unifies Persian speakers all over the world, plus it has been in use for the past 1000+ yrs.

Tajiks of Tajikistan have been forced to use Cyrillic alphabet by Soviets. We speak Persian and write using Cyrillic alphabet. If you ask any Slavic to read some Tajik texts, they wont understand much of it. Cyrillic is simply a transcription for Tajiks. How ironic it is that Tajiks of Tajikstan today use Cyrillic alphabet, whilst it was from this place that the great Rudaki created this Perso-Arabic script. There's a gradual albeit very slow transition to switch back to Perso-Arabic script.

You  talk about a "pure" form of language, hence your reason to pick Din Dabireh. Well, no form of Persian is pure anymore. Persian of Tajikistan had significant Russian influence. Tehrani Farsi is very westernized. Dari Persian of Afghanistan, yes, it probably had the least foreign influence, but its also not pure. So, I think you need to rethink/refocus and see how realistic your idea can be, based on current circumstances.

Also, Islam has been part of Persians for over 1000 of years. Islam is part of the heritage of Greater Iran. Not only were some of the greatest Muslims were Persians, but also some of the Madhab (school of thought) in Islam (both Shia and Sunni) were founded by Persians. Plus, it was the Persians that spread Islam in Central Asia to the Turks (who were Shamans initially). In other words, Islam and Greater Iran cannot be seperated today, just as at one point in time, Zoroastrianism and Greater Iran couldnot be separated.

Lastly, Zoroastrians today are a small minority and no offense, but they probably would even be much smaller minority in the coming years, so I dont see how adopting a script that benefits a significantly small minority would somehow benefit the majority of people.

Thanks and God Bless.

Boom,

Thank you for your kind words. I also thank Jamshid; SamSam; Divaneh; Anahid; Humanbeing and my other friends. I am going to do some research on books covering Averstan. I will look to practical books that actually help us learn it.

There is one book in Persian that I already that I have. I found a few in English on Amazon. I am going to order them and see how they are. Then post my findings on this blog.

With Respect,

VPK

VPK, well done!

You are a wonderfully **genuine** patriot! Indeed, I'm exceedingly proud of your sense of country and motherland. Bravo! And by the way, you have a great idea here, and don't let anybody tell you different.

And no, you didn't make a mistake in sticking up for that bombastic louse, Captain Ayhab, as you weren't really standing up him per se, but rather, for freedom of speech, which is a very noble cause, something that the minders around here value as much as a wooden nickle.

Iran is a prisoner of IRI  

VPK, Samsam, Darveesh

Comrade says it right when he talks about the feasibility of switching the alphabet.

But I agree that the Farsi alphabet is flawed in too many fronts and levels. In practicality, it is one of the worst alphabets in my opinion. It is so flawed that it undermines the ability to smoothly read the poems of our great poets. What kind of alphabet would omit its vowels? It is also well known that it is a difficult alphabet to learn (due to its many flaws.) It is that bad and worst. 

But it is also a bastard child many are grown to like!

There was one time that the switch to a better alphabet was completely feasible and without any fuss. That was in the early 1920s when Reza Shah accended to power. The literacy rate back then was 0.1 percent, which made it possible to start a new alphabet. And there were much fewer books to be translated to the new alphabet.

It was a big mistake that we didn't do it back then. I hope one day in the future we will get another opportunity. But in order for the flame to remain on, we'll need folks like VPK and Samsam who are passionate about our Kiaani heritage to keep the torch going.

Darveesh: be careful. Your gradual resorting to "narcissitic rage" is giving your identity away!

Just one thing

If Darveesh is indeed Captain Ayhab then I am sorry I stuck my neck out for him. I am still for free speech but I won't lose any sleep over likes of this person. We all make mistakes. I guess I may have had one.

Dear Samsam and VPK

Thanks for clarification. I think I need to learn a little more about this script as what VPK described sounds very interesting.

Divaneh jaan,

The Bilingual national system that I proposed of Parsi & Farsi shall answer your reservations to constitute protection of both be it script or language in a federal system. In this system local dialects in each state be it Azari,Arabic... are freely practiced & taught in parallel to the mandatory national bilingual system of Parsi/Farsi. I agree it might be tough at first on the issue of alphabet but in due time it shall florish as in all bilingual countries.

Cheers!!!

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

Dear VPK

I stand corrected. I think what made me think that you were debating the general rule out of the alphabet was the mention of Turkey.

BTW, I don't think JJ in his best intentions will be able to accomplish much if the browsers do not support the rendering of an alphabet fonts. You can still post it as an image or a downloadable file to be read by an appropriate reader.

Divaneh, Re: Darveesh

I don't know why you see the interest in the old Iran as racism

That's because this is an old habit of this gentleman. He used to say the exact same thing when he was registered as "Captain Ayhab".!!!

Divaneh Jan

Din Dabireh is not a language it is a script. It may be used to scribe English; Arabic; Kurdish or any other language. In fact it is very simple and very unambiguous. 

It has advantages that other alphabet do not. There are

• 16 Explicit vowels being very unambiguous. For example different "a" for "Avesta" as oppsed to "Aramesh". You don't need to guess or use context. The writing tells you *exactly* how to pronounce things. 
• 37 Consonants for pretty much any sound. Again no need to guess. It was designed to be mistake proof. It simply avoids the common problems in other scripts.

It is also extremely beautiful and suitable for calligraphy. It is a real treasure. We don't need to use it for everything. But we could use it for somethings. One use would be in decorative writing. Another in writings where accuracy of sounds it of paramount importance. 

Instead of running away from our heritage we must embrace it. Embrace does not mean force it down people's throat. 

Do we run away from poetry? No! Do we force everyone to read poetry: No! Same goes here. I want to shine light on this treasure once again. 

The Islamists are reacting because they fear and hate anything Persian. It is not us who are intolerant but them.

Darveesh

I don't think we are on the same wavelength and in fact objected to that fact already. I don't know why you see the interest in the old Iran as racism. I can nor understand the value of your accusation or one word comments debating style.

Nim-dung

when an individual loses civil intent/discourse & cyber-f*rts with useless baffoonery & a stupid question like this;

"So samsam, who would you rather give your mihan  to UK and US?. kkk "

Then the individual deserve to be treated in the same manner.

Now go hitch a camel ride home.

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

divaneh

co-sign your sentimnets

hard to talk logic into KparsiKfarsiKlanguage only people 

Divaneh

No problem pal. We are cool. There was some mixup and poor timing! My issue was with  the other poster who I will no longer respond to.

Dear VPK

Now I got my foot out of my mouth and can talk again. You are right, I don't know much about Din Dabireh apart from that it's an alphabet of Sassanid era.

Without wishing to get involved in a long discussion over this fantasy of returning to Sassanids alphabet, I bring the following to your attention.

- Persian language like any other live language has evolved and is no longer the same language that was spoken by Sassanids. We have different needs today.

- Iran does not simply have one language and we have many dialects and languages including Arabic who have different sounds.

- Persian in its current alphabet is used in some of our neighbours. How do we want to maintain that link with these other nations?

- How do we want to maintain our link with the great work of our literature?

- If we are so troubled by our current alphabet then why not form a committee of experts to create a new alphabet for us instead of opting for a dead script?

We do not need to go to the extreme and destroy everything that we have just because there is an Islamic dictatorship in our country who wants to belittle our pre-Islamic great history.

samsam

why are you so vulgar?

is it because you lack logic?

Who appointed you as the representative of all these people

Humanity

Divaneh

Pal, I rarely do this in rush but I 1st looked at shaahed boy comment & In my haste to judgment I took vpk responce to you as if you had agreed to the half-breed view without reading yours in entirety. Hence I stand corrected & shall edit yours out eventhough the bulk of the comment was addressed to him. cheers pal!!! 

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

No point

In responding to "Darveesh". Others have all shown reason and I am happy to talk to them. The one known as Darveesh is beyond hope. I am not gonna bother responding to it.

Maa baa "shaahed boys" khodemoony nistim. boro donbal shahed ba

who said we were khoodemoony?

You were asked one simple question

Who would you rather sell your MIHAN to? 

you really do not need to dad o ghal, or do you ?

Divaneh

The blog does not come accross becuase you have not read it :-) You have made assumptions:

• I was talking about Khate Mikhi. If you read my post you would know I did not.
• I somehow have the power or desire to "force" a new alphabet on Iran. So how do I do this? Am I the king? Or the grand vizir? No, I am making my opinion known. I am not about to come and force you to learn Avestan!

If you folks had an open mind like "Humanbeing" does then you would know better. 

Perhaps we are so used to dictatorship that any suggestion is taken as demand. This is  very telling about us! Dude, days of dictatorship are going away. Hopefully in Iran as well. Just because I want Avestan does not mean you have to! I on the other hand have the right to make my opinion known and push for it understood?

Dear VPK, I read your comment addressed to me, thanks.

 Dear VPK,  in your comment addressed to me, you wrote:"...But if would be good if our children were also exposed to the old ways. The Avestan writing is a very beautiful and alluring script :-) "

I agree with it being good if our children are exposed to the old ways.  Knowledge is power. 

"shaahed boy"

 Maa baa "shaahed boys" khodemoony nistim. boro donbal shahed baazi o darvish baazid inja,

 Soufi va "Shaahed boys"

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Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

When did I say that Samsam?

I made a light hearted comment and have already got my toes in my mouth. I am in fact all for it as an interest that some people may wish to pursue. As you said (and I full heartedly agree) people must be free to choose how they wish to communicate and what they wish to teach their children. This blog however does not come across as this being a choice and rather would discuss the replacement of current alphabet on a national scale.

خاءنم من که دهم ان ميهنم به روسيه با جون و دل

would you rather give your mihan  to UK and US?

Be honest please, majles khodemoniye

VPK

this bacheh Qadess is not here for civil dialogue or even paying attention to what i said about federal rights of ethnic groups. ignore the nim-dung half-breed.

 يا که شايد من بباشم امتی
نام من باشد يدالله يا غلام يا نعمتی
من ندانم اشکارا جد و آوادم کيه
آن زبان پيشينه و فرهنگ و دودمانم چيه
من فقط دانم که يادم داده اند از بچگی
گل بريزم بر سرم ,سينه زنم لبيک گويم جملگی
من امام غيب را کردم خودش پيغمبری
من بجايه ايزدان پرستش کنم حور و ضريح
چون نخواندم و ندانم بهر ايرانش ز جم
من چو بوزينه بخندم بهر پارسی گويش ال عجم

يا که شايد من بباشم يک چريک قربان علين
استالينيست خر سبيل کيسه کش رفيق لنين
من ادايه اينتلکت آرم که نام دوستم باشد فيدل
خاءنم من که دهم ان ميهنم به روسيه با جون و دل
من برايم ياد ان فرهنگ ايران همچو يک مشکل بود
چون گ ه ی نيستم خودم ,ايرانييت پشکل بود

So Darveesh & Divaneh think folks like me should simply die

Absolutely not, to die is very unpleasant

but since you root for purity of bi-lingual farsi-parsi Iran, I suggest you initiate KbilingualKparsiKfarsi  movement and take it from there.

Best of luck

Purity

The funny thing about the Islamist is that they keep accusing other people of seeking purity and being racist. So I thought to go over some things:

• The Islamists under Khomeini and Soroush implemented "cultural purification" at the universities. Anyone not "pure" enough in their devotion to Islam was kicked out.
• Islamists hate Jews. To find out just say Israel and see them froth at the mouth. Then they have the nerve to call us Nazi. They force others into Islam with the penalty of death; real tolerant. They're pathetic.
• Islamists talk about tolerance. Then turn around and stone women; put death fatwas on anyone who they don't like. What a nerve.

There are infinite other example. So to my dear Islamists: I am going to teach Avestan to my child. If you don't like it: Tough Sh***. If you want to see intolerance; racism and the rest: take a good look in the mirror. I will be happy to mail you a mirror if you want.

So Darveesh & Divaneh think folks like me should simply die

 Darveesh the leninist ommatie residue;, its called federal system so every ethnicity can practice their own dialect within their own Federal state but on a national level they all have a bilingual system of Parsi & Farsi in a bilingual national system .

Right?. So Iranians who think like me should get lost because the  status quo crowd thinks otherwise. So as an Iranian, I,m less of an Iranian than you so my opinion dont matter, right?. You can have your Farsi but I cant teach my Parsi to my kids in a fair bilingual system. 

So what democracy are we talking about here then?

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia