Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

VPK

Based on NIAC's letter, the nasty predijuce stuff that the professor said Iranian students have been taken down from his website, e.g.

//infolab.stanford.edu/~ullman/pub/formresponse.html

And even if I were in a position to help, I will not help Iranian students until Iran recognizes and respects Israel as the land of the Jewish people. I know that you may not hold the same insane position as the mullahs that run your country, but it is a matter of principle.

If Iranians want the benefits of Stanford and other institutions in the US, they have to respect the values we hold in the US, including freedom of religion and respect for human rights. regards. ---jdu"

Based on his other declarations on Mosaddegh, Iran-Air shoot-down and others, I still say he is a jerk.

Eroonman

When did we take "responsibility" for IR action? Would you please show me the reference?

The Professor is right. We are wrong. The proof is how off Iran is right now. Anyone who suggests that an oppressive dictatorship based on a cute series of poetic verses by a prophet who cannot be drawn or painted, is actually good for 50-60% of Iranians is crazy! 

The professor is a racist. Have you read what he said. Or are you just showing a knee-jerk reaction. No one is supporting IR. He is opposed to Iranian people not just IR. The moron does not see the difference. You should read what he says first. Before you go off and attack your own people who are as opposed to IR as any.

As for Israel plenty of Iranians have spoken in its support on IC. I have many times suggested Iran and Israel make good allies. Regardless I did not know that supporting Israel was a requirement for attending Stanford!

We who know better, refuse to do anything about Iran, yet we still want respect for being Iranian.

So because I don't take a gun and run to Iran that makes me responsible for IR? How about other diaspora: Cuban; Venezuela; North Korea? Are they all supposed to run back home firing guns/ Or if not they are "responsible" for those regimes.

You people boggle the mind. There is a difference between supporting a government and taking  action against it. 

If any of us are anything but completely ashamed of being cowardly Iranians in today's world, we are indeed deluded, and deserving of this kind of Stanford wake up call. We need more of it, I say.

The shame belongs to the racist SOB who is a "professor" at Stanford.  As well as that shameful institution that calls itself a university.

Frankly I find your statements just as bad as actions of IR and MKO. Good day.

"Soon Die Iran! Long Live Iran!"

Or, you can't have your cake and eat it too. This is the price we as free Iranians pay for not taking responsibility for Iran and it's actions. Obviously this professor sees that and is unwilling to give an Iranian here a pass, simply because we choose to ignore Iran's actions.

Has any Iranian of the slightest note EVER publicly, and loudly and with conviction EVER stated Israel's right to exist? Do they not have that right?  

The Professor is right. We are wrong. The proof is how off Iran is right now. Anyone who suggests that an oppressive dictatorship based on a cute series of poetic verses by a prophet who cannot be drawn or painted, is actually good for 50-60% of Iranians is crazy!

We who know better, refuse to do anything about Iran, yet we still want respect for being Iranian.

How can that be? Is that sane?

To be respected, you must earn respect, get your own house in order and then come and claim your fair due. To plead that "Iran is the IRI, and I am too busy to change Iran, but trust me, I am a true Iranian! Hear me roar!", is utter foolishness, and the height of arrogant stupidity.

If any of us are anything but completely ashamed of being cowardly Iranians in today's world, we are indeed deluded, and deserving of this kind of Stanford wake up call. We need more of it, I say.

Maybe if we hear it enough, we will actually do something about it!

Until then I suggest our current slogan that matches our indecisiveness ought to be:

"Soon Die Iran! Long Live Iran!"

Fesenjoon

How long the the Soviets have to "brainwash" the masses to be communist? How well did it work. The brainwashing of IRI is done poorly and without subtlety.

If you want real brainwashing look to the West. Where poor people actually defend the right of rich to not pay taxes! Now that is the real thing.

Anyway, I did not make the reference to get in an argument with you. I am pointing out the inevitable result of demonization to other Iranians. I know you are set in your beleif. My goal is to get others to be aware the danger of discrimination.

Fesenjoon

If you really think I am pro Akhoond or Mollah you are wrong.

I am not going to go crazy and scream at such outlandish allegation. I am more likely to be a Green Martian.

Regarding my position: I am neither anti-American; anti-Iranian nor pro Akhoond.

• I have voted in every American election since I was allowed to in America. I have picked the one who I thought was best for America.
• I have paid my taxes fully and never asked for anything.
• I learned American language and its culture. I "integrated".
• I got married to an American and have kids. I do raise my kids as Iranian but they are well integrated into American culture. We do Christmas; Thanksgiving; and so on.
• I do not teach my kids that America is Evil nor that Iran is Evil. I do tell them that both have had some questionable leaders. Except IR has real murders while America has a far more reasonable one in Obama.

My point is that by painting Iranians as frothing at the mouth killers you do us no favors. This is the direct result of negative propaganda. We cannot stop the negative crap coming out of MSM. But we do not have to add to it. Rather we should combat it by highlighting the good Iranians have done in America.

Wrong again VPK

IRI and Iran ARE the same. (unfortunately IMO)

• The hundreds of thousands of employees that get a paycheck from IRI every month are not Sudanese. They are Iranian.
• The 2 million strong crowd that showed up here were not Lebanese, they were Iranian.
• The million or so ppl praying here in support of IRI every friday are not mercenaries. They are pure blooded Iranians.

You havent lived in Iran for ages, and youre out of touch. IRI is not a dictatorship separate from the ppl. It's a 50-60% majority of the population (maybe more, who knows) that actually supports the NEZAAM (not the govt, read my words carefully).

I dont like it anymore than u do. But it's a fact, and I'd rather deal with it than deny it . You underestimate the power state media brainwashing has had on ppl in Iran for the last 31 yrs. Theyve been VERY successful.

If IRI and Iran were separate, you wouldnt have a problem supporting an armed conflict against the army of IRI (read my words carefully). You said it yourself: "I dont want to fight an Iranian soldier", even though the question was "would you support fighting against IRI".

Simorgh555 Jan

I understand what you say. I do not blame Israel or Israeli politicians. I blame this idiot professor. I have both worked with and done business with Israeli without problems.

I also do appreciate the support from Netanyahu and Peres. As I said I blame this "professor" not anyone else. Anything else would be doing exactly what he is doing: blaming innocent people. 

VPK

Totally agree with you. The comments of the Stanford professor you are reporting, and if found to be true, are stupid and inappropriate. However, when Iranian students were being kicked and beaten like a dog in summer 2009, Netanyahu and Perses were overwhelmingly supportive of the student movement in stark contrast to a timid Obama.  they even invited Neda Solatini's fiance Caspian over to meet Peres. I am not suggesting that Israel cares for human rights in Iran any more than their American benefactors but in terms of public support, Israel offered the strongest support mostly because the de-legitimising of the IR served Israel. 

VPK

Yeah VPK, well if you want the world to stop bunching Iran and IRI together, then stop playing the role of cheerleader for the anti-American drivel of the akhonds.

If you were truly not supporting the IRI, you would have at least the decency to tolerate your own opposition. But you cant, can you.

Not being able to tolerate the opposition is the iconic trademark of 20th century Akhondist ideology.

Who are you to tell me what to write? The moral police of IC?

U dont like my writings? Well then dont read it!!!! Stop doing parvandeh saazi for me everywhere.

hummm

This guy is supposed to be a Professor. Meaning smarter than average. Is he so stupid as to not be able to tell the difference? Yes  Has he forgotten that there is a difference between IR and Iranian.  Did not think he knew there was a difference to begin with.

How about the difference between Jew and the image Hitler promoted? He is following in the footsteps of old Adolf real well: Generalize; Demonize; Persecute. What a guy! If Stanford has any honor this guy should be shown the door. No he knows there is a difference. We see 55 movies about that every fucken year. Or, like more.

Kinda makes you wonder why the holy-crap-cost is reproduced and resold and the image of Hitler reproduced and resold so much? Kinda in like 2 wars and stuff like right now and stuff. In which like and stuff there are really no movies and stuff about... crap that is another thread... :)

Media part II

This guy is supposed to be a Professor. Meaning smarter than average. Is he so stupid as to not be able to tell the difference? Has he forgotten that there is a difference between IR and Iranian. 

How about the difference between Jew and the image Hitler promoted? He is following in the footsteps of old Adolf real well: Generalize; Demonize; Persecute. What a guy! If Stanford has any honor this guy should be shown the door.

Media ...

is not the only one distorting image of Iranians. We have our own Iranians doing the same thing. I warned against labeling all Iranians as IR supporters. But no one listened. You were all busy cheering it on read: Iranian Idiot and related blogs:

//iranian.com/main/blog/fesenjoon/iranian...

Thank you Fesenjoon; keep up the good work.

Every time

any thing goes wrong in my life I just simply blame others that are innoccceenat... Lol

I think people that are not responsible should always carry the water for people that are.

It does not have to be

The media has distorted the Iranian image in the world to the point that average people would look at all Iranians as being part of the IRI. That professor does not have to be American or Israelis. May be he is from Europe or South American countries.