A site for insults and baseless allegations

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan
20-Sep-2011
 

IC has become a site for insults and baseless allegations. The most recent one being a blog blaming all Iranians for actions of a few. When I tried to use reason I was called a buffoon which seems perfectly fine to the admin. Iran hating seems to be "in" and defending Iran is "out". As soon as you say something defending Iran you are immediately an IRI stooge. No matter what most Iranians inside and outside Iran think. If you refuse to take blame for IRI then you are "not facing responsibility". No matter whether you were a victim of IRI yourself! Any deviations from the far right Glenn Beck / Fox news makes you an Islamist. No matter whether you are a Muslim or not. 

Disrespect for people is prevalent.  A person went so far as to threaten to beat me to a pulp. Others said "he is really a very sweet guy" telling me more about themselves than the guy. Really sweet to hear from my fellow Iranians. Personal insults abound. Moderation is totally subjective and does not follow any predictable form. People treat blogs as personal fiefdoms and order others off it. A practice which seems to be tacitly endorsed by management.

On this site NIAC is a dirty work. You mention it and hoards of "patriotic" Iranians accuse you of being in the pay of IRI. One person actually claimed one out of 3 Iranians in California are in the "pay" of IRI. Wow; at this rate IRI must be bankrolling at least tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Iranians in America. While all the polls show most Iranian Americans oppose military action we get an non stop stream of blogs calling for bombing Iran. God help you if you oppose it and you are immediately labeled an IRI stooge.  If this is the way IC wants to go fine; do it. But don't expect to get much respect. Because when you do not create a culture of respect you don't get any. Not decided whether to stick around or not but I wonder how long this site is going to keep any value. Meanwhile the world moves on while people here insult each other. And debate whether Mossadegh was a Saint or God.

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Truthseeker9

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by Truthseeker9 on

"IC has become a site for insults and baseless allegations. "

Stop feeling sorry for yourself. You once asked me why I am on this site as if you are some kind of Pasdar deciding who is entitled to be here or not. You also make allegations about other users in discussions when you do not see eye to eye with them, but then cry foul when they lose patience with you. In the latest blog you are complaining about you made an unattractive comment about most Iranian wanting to go to Iran soley for reason of claiming their inheritance. Is this not a baseless allegations on your part, or is there one rule for you and another for others?What you see as “Iran hating” shows your lack of objectivity. Your pride seems to rule your head and you try to stifle free speech by twisting peoples words and distorting their posts. Another time you say you respect Admin and rules on this site, but then you write protest blogs when your friends are blocked for breaking them. There is more to life than getting back at individuals on this site, and writing a blog of complaint every time  you hear something you do not like. Put up like everyone else or take a break. Perhaps you spend too much of your time here and are taking things far too seriously. 


Bavafa

I am all with SK and MM on this one...

by Bavafa on

No reason to argue endlessly and let them use insult and name calling.  It is more of a refelection on them then you.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad


Anonymous Observer

Response to your manufactured naneh man ghareebam

by Anonymous Observer on


Oon Yaroo

Veiled one, no problem buddy! Here is a plea from JB for

by Oon Yaroo on


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Thanks for all

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

who posted here.

Oon Yaroo don't worry about it I am sorry if I misunderstood your post. You are actually pretty reasonable. The proof is that you explained your position in a polite and reasoned way. Plus you do not resort to insults.

But we have others who when in a debate turn around and call people names. As you probably saw in response to my post I was called a buffoon. I decided not to flag it so people would see for themselves the bullying going on. We either accept the "party line" or are labeled names I rather not repeat. Just read what the person claimed Iranians are busy doing. 

//iranian.com/main/blog/anonymous-observe...

Now is this really a debate or name calling. How is this person to know what Iranians are doing. It just makes me sick to read this kind of thing. 

Anyway I am running out of interest to post right now. Got a lot of work to do. Just find it hard to let people trash Iranians. The way to destroy a people is to dehumanize them first. This is happening by self proclaimed Iranians. Who as the poster "Patriot" said do not even know how to speak Farsi.


MM

VPK

by MM on

The best way to deal with these blogs, in my opinion, is to state my opinion as rationally as I can and try not to go back and forth.  Or, as some here have suggested, completely ignore the blog.  For example, someone who told me that emails do not become undies for Faati (try the farsi version) just posted an entire blog based on emails.  I chose to ignore the blog since I thought that it was hypocritical and not worth my time.  Those who regularly read IC know what is up!


Oon Yaroo

VPK Jon: I think you took my post elsewhere out of context!

by Oon Yaroo on

I think it's unfair when you misrepresent what I wrote! Isn't it? Here it is again for your reference...

"...For its survival, IRI would steal, bribe, blackmail, torture, rape, kill, assassinate, and most importantly squander the nation’s resources on anything and anybody.

Be it the PR firms in Washington DC, London, and Paris or its terrorist cronies in Lebanon, Syria, West Bank, Kabul, or Baghdad! Or, the Russian, east Europeans, and Chinese 5th-rate military and industrial crap!

Rumors have it that one out of every 3 Iranians in California who regularly travels to Iran provide some sort of intelligence on behalf of their fellow Iranians to the IRI regime.

I wonder how many of the 24/7/356 pro-IRI IC contributors actually benefited from this particular theft incident!..."


Tabarzin

God bless you, Patriot!

by Tabarzin on

You are a true patriot! It is obvious as the noon day sun that we are dealing with paid lobbyists.

Ditto, Soosan Khanoom! The anti-NIAC drivel all over this site has also led me to look more favorably at Trita Parsi and the NIAC than I otherwise would have.


Oon Yaroo

VPK: Admin applies a Bernoulli process in the deletion decision!

by Oon Yaroo on

To make sure our fearless Admin doesn’t get all riled up for the term Bernoulli as profanity, it is a mathematical term (named after Bernoulli) describing a coin tossing experiment that when head shows up he deletes the comment and when tail shows up he keeps it!


Soosan Khanoom

Dear VPK

by Soosan Khanoom on

The best thing to do is to completely ignore those people and make your presence felt.  

The more I read the anti-NIAC remarks on this site the more I become a fan of that organization ...  so their tactic is not working.  

Never mind the fools .... cause a fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions.


Patriot

Veiled

by Patriot on

Most of the people posing as "patriotic Iranians" are indeed paid lobbyists here to push a certain agenda forward.  They are not deterred by ordinary debate and reasoning, for they are not here to debate, learn, or teach.  They are here to repeat an agenda. Some of them don't even know Farsi.

Don't lose heart.  Most of us silent readers know the difference and smile when we see the agendas being pushed around. It is clear whose doing "a job" here and whose heart is really beating for Iran. The lobbyists are always bullish and intimidating when it comes to attempts at silencing the ordinary users.  This is how you can tell them apart. The lobbyists have no shame in calling ordinary users "Islamist" or "on IRI's payroll". It is their job to push ordinary people with a different point of view off this site. They just want the dumb ones that come and say complimentary things to them to stay (and there is no shortage of that). This has been going on for a while now. So now we have several lobbyists who have becom very por-roo, and then some regular users with unfortunately low IQ.

JJ cannot stop lobbyists from coming here, as this is an important platform for them.  But if real Iran-lovers start posting more, the lobbyists' voices won't be the only ones heard on Iranian.com.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Yes Tabarzin

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

The whole collective guilt is a way to blame a nation. Then milk them for all they are worth. I am not going to single out one group. But it has been used by many. It goes like: your people did this to my people; now you and your children to come owe me; my children and so on. It must be resisted and never accepted. It is a step in dehumanization to allow genocide. It has been used against a lot of people. Right now Muslims are the target.

I am not a Muslim and do not believe in Islam. But I am more against seeing Muslims singled out and blamed as a people. The same goes for Iranians Muslim or not. As you said it has been used to trash Iraq and Afghans. 

No one should get blamed for actions of other person. This business about "take responsibility" is a ruse. Responsibility for my actions only not those of others.


Tabarzin

PS

by Tabarzin on

Collective guilt tactics may also be contextualized as  forming an attempt at "cultural genocide."


Tabarzin

Collective guilt

by Tabarzin on

Is a malicious tactic that political Zionism has been using as a tool against all and sundry since the end of WWII. It was utilized by the Neo-Cons to some degree in the lead up to both the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Those native informers who are using the collective guilt tactic against the entire Iranian community are outting themselves as to whose agendas they are actually here on IC serving.

Be weary of all those who use 'collective guilt' in any context!