Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

VPK

90 percent of so called Sharia laws are not even in Quran and the 10 percent that is ,  can be discussed and can be adjusted based on the time we are living in.  There is one entire chapter called " Shura " in Quran , in which it is mentioned that you have to consult with each other for the social affairs and then you should vote  ...  if this is not the idea of a congress , I do not know then what is.   Even Mohammad himself had only one vote...  Besides that was then ... now we have a real congress, we have laws and we can live based on those.  Religion is a personal affair. It is my business and no one else's business...

Sharia laws especially imposing it on me is total BS !!!!!

Good Point Siavash

What is the point of Sharia law; who is bound by them. Is it optional or mandatory. One thing it is not is Persian/Iranian/Kurdish/Lori/Azari/Balouchi/Gilani/Khorasani/Esfehani/Shirazia/Yazdi or any other kind of Iranic.

Why the heck do we pay attention to it at all. Let it go the way of the dinasaures. That is my vote regarding Sharia. Do I hear a second? Maybe Siavash or someone please! We go for "law of man" and by man I mean human kind not God.

amikabear.. comment

"Who says you have to follow sharia laws to be muslem? I do not agree in it. " amirkagbear4u

So why the shaia laws had been created if muslims don't have to follow. ? these laws are there to follow, otherwise,it would be waste of time and papers to be written with no action taken upon it.

 Those laws don't match with civilized society. It is barbaric. it has been created by bare feet, nomad tribes of arabs in arabian peninsula 1400 years ago. it is NOT persian.

amirkabear4u

1- Who says you have to follow sharia laws to be muslem? I do not agree in it.

Khomeini; Khamenei and many other "authorities" say so. Including local Imams and some Muslim followes of them.

2- Do you think IRI is representing islam or muslems? Do not judge
muslems because of IRI's unreasonable actions. If you do then you are
waisting your time blogging.

It represents a branch of Islam. They are Shia and not even all Shia accept them. I guess Ayatollah Montazeri did not go for IRI. But they do represent a powerful branch of organized Islam. That is one reason I oppose organized religin. 

Islam is not for me. If someone wants to be a Muslim but use civil law no problem. If they want to force Sharia there is a problem. Plus I am not an expert in Islam. Maybe you should do a blog and explain the difference I am not able to do.

VPK, sharia laws

Inever said I agree sharia laws, I think it is for these laws that muslems have so much problems.

Two questions;

1- Who says you have to follow sharia laws to be muslem? I do not agree in it.

2- Do you think IRI is representing islam or muslems? Do not judge muslems because of IRI's unreasonable actions. If you do then you are waisting your time blogging.

Fairness and Equality in Justice

Re: Two Worlds

By the way one of the worst side effect of this is "self hatred". When people are raised in a society that denigrates them it is tough. Imagine being raised in America during the hostage crisis. But as a child being given *** by others.

I was here at the time. But I was in college and was already past my formative years. When kids are told by others "you climbed our embassy walls". Or "you blew up the marine barracks". What is a kid to say? Specially if their parents also feel ashamed. It does immense damage to one's self identity. When I was told that I was initially apologetic. I tried to keep my head down and take it. But at some point I had enough and responded "IRI does not take orders from me". 

After that I would take no more of it. If Americans did not like the IRI too bad. It was their own Jimmy Carter who betrayed the Shah! Not to mention all the other *** they did: anyway it was not my fault and that was it.

Siavash Jan

I think you are right on. Yes I was raised in Iran and my thinking reflects that. I know about history and how we got here. Nothing just popped out of thin air. Americans have a very different point of view. One is a trust in media.

Not much we can do about it. I hope we may avoid outright was and fighting.  By the way I am as against IRI as AO or JK. But I do not equate Iran and IRI as some do. Iranian mentality is also in Iranians American who spent a lot of time in Iran.

Maybe you are right about my separation. I have a very different value system. For example my ex wants to date and meet guys. I am not able to go out and leave my kids home. Thought of them at home with me out is unbearable. I decided I am going to spend my time with my kids. Better or worse: I don't know. To me family comes first. By the way this is not just Iranian it is "old world mentality". Italians; Greeks and many other nations share this way of thinking.

Two worlds

   Dear VPK,

 If I am not mistaking anonymous obeserver grown up in U.S versus you were raised in Iran. That makes a huge difference in viewing the whole world. One representing American's view and the other one representing old country. People who were raised in U.S only carry Iranian identity, they lack idea of Dai Jan Naplean or something like that nature.

Similar situation was during hostage crisis. Iranians were puzzled to see mistreatment from American counterpart over hostages. They were saying they were hurt more than americans from Islamic revolution and they were expecting sympathy from Americans for that issue. They didn't want to be disrespected if some (or few islamic Iranians) took hostages. It has nothing to do with them.

On the other hand, Americans didn't have such a separation in their minds. They believed the government was representative of majorty of people and those who settled in U.S were part of that community so they needed to be degraded as americans were degraded in Iran. It was a matter of retaliation regardless immigrant Iranians were being hurt more than hostages. Some of them lost their homes, some of them lost their jobs, and some lost their family members. Family members were being executed by Khomainie islamic establishment.  But americans didn't look at it the same way Iranians were looking.

The same situation was in 1988. Once one of ruling mullahs representative attended in talk show with Ted Kapel. The guy started to say that muslims around the world in Egypt, Saudi, Jordan , Aman and other muslim countries are pro islamic regime in Iran. Ted Kapel surprisingly said : wait a minute, all those countries that you mentioned are pro America. Only small group shia in southern Lebanan are pro Iran.  Mullah's representative said yes, but I am talking about the people in those coutries, not the government.  

In many of your write ups, I noticed that you use the same pattern of thinking which is distictively different with American's view.

    There is no right or wrong. Just 2 different world views. It reflects 2 different civilalizations. In your discussion with Anymouse observer, I see the same issue you had with JahanKhalili who was raised in U.S with American way of looking at life. It is commonly called "Cultural clash".  Cultural difference is a huge barrier in our relationship and we can't do anything about it. Just hang out with people that we feel more comfortable.

I think that was the main reason leaded to your separation from your American wife even though you had child together.

Sincerely,

Siavash

COP

Advise accepted. I plan to live forever or die trying.

See Anahid Jan - this is what happens when you don't read a blog

and are there to pick a fight and attack.  Look at his comment below.  He says that I called Iranians "imbeciles."  The reality is that my reference to "imbecile" was to the demeaning caricature of Iranians that people like VPK have created for Iranians by making us out as a bunch of hapless and moronic creatures whose entire government can be toppled and replaced by a single American with no knowledge of Iran's culture, language and history.  See the dynamic?

Also, for all his hot air about protecting Iranian dignity, VPK and his like minded automoton followers of artificial and self manufactured history are the ones who demean us the most. 

My last comment on this blog.  Amairkabir4u left a good comment as well.  Blowhards are always the first to complain about being mistreated.  

VPK, other dudes and dudets

Life is too friggin' short.

Bickering about who said what and who did what among those who hate and resist the entities that occupy our ancestral land only emboldens them.

Take a deep breath, pour yourself a glass of single malt and enjoy yourself.

Less than a week ago, a 51 year old coworker dropped dead while taking a shower. Heartattack, the coroner said.

Focus your energy on those who are robbing you, your heritage and your resources. The rest is bullshit!  

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IRAN FIRST

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Dear Anahid

Yes I was comparing them. If you remember they did some combined projects. So I was referring to them yes.

I will be reading your comments soon but right now work beckons so I must wait.

Faramarz

You forgot the "poof poof" that my mom used to do :-) I always used to tell her: del o golveh mikham!

Dear VPK

Everyone should do what they think is right. Reading your comment, it seemed that you were not arguing AO's blog but you were talking about similarities between Fesenjoon and AO and also previous blogs by AO, etc. As far as arguments of AO, If you go back to the thread, you see that I had some ideas of my own.

Here VPK

اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد

COP

I don't know salavat will "Hail Mary" do? 

Anahid

I agree I called AO to task absolutely. If you call that attack then so be it. I did not insult him. In fact he insulted all of Iranians and I just responded. 

He said "we climbed the fence around US embassy". I responded I did not and asked who this "we" was? I reasonably asked if he was involved since "we" implies personal involvement. 

The rest of my "attacks" follow the same reasoning. Do you agree that "we" attacked Americans? Or that"we" are imbeciles. Or that we are responsible for IRI even though I opposed it from day one? I am an Iranian and his attack on Iranians was an attack on me. I am sorry if you find my response inappropriate. I am open to suggestion but rolling over is not an option at least not to me.

baba salavat befrestion

as a people entangled in 1400 years of divinity, one salavat will make it all go away...hame baa ham...allllahoooo massalle ala...

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IRAN FIRST

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Dear VPK, do you agree that you started

personal attacks against AO in his blog about Iranians being vindictive? I was just looking at the comments on that thread, after more than 10 comments, you were not there but somewhere down on thread, you showed up and you were attacking AO. So how can you complain about insults on IC if you insulted AO too?

amirkabear4u

A fair question so I will respond. I admit to making statements that may be offensive. But I back them up with my reason. And I will listen to reason. For example I will not say all Muslims are "this or that". I do not blame all Muslims for actions of AQ; IRI or any other group.

As for being undemocratic here is the reason. I am willing to change my mind if you or others convince me. Sharia is a set of laws that are used to govern people These laws are not subject to democratic review. Hence my statement. If it is possible to practice Islam with laws that are democratically put in then I will retract my remark. 

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

This is a repeat blog and is very boring.

When yourself say comments that are offensive why do you complain so much.

Just as an example, in one of your comments in the past you said how one can be a muslem and democratic? I do not know maybe you are not a muslem or just too young. But that was an insult to many people. Then why do you keep complaining so much.

Fairness and Equality in Justice

What Tiger-Lily said...

You should read what she wrote several times.

VPK

When you write blogs expect people to agree and disagree with you.  I find blogs like this are usually written by people who want to make themselves feel better at the expense of others, not really to achieve anything. I am sure I am not the only person who thinks this but most do not waste their time putting it on paper. I am not singling you out, but do feel many people do not practice what they preach. They complain about ill treatment while they are uncivil when it suits them.  The only person one can change in oneself, improvement starts there.

BTW, do you think calling people "You Know Who" is civil?

True, all true, VPK

Obviously, so many here have very serious psychosis issues at best, but most probably are just thugs and are desperate to become personal on any level, with the very obvious provocation tactics, to which many an account has fallen victim.*

SK hit  the nail on the head and in fact, the more they siegheil the designate, the latest anti-christ, the more I'm likely to turn into a Jihadi-Afro-Saxon or something. 

In fact, what the hell am I doing here? This is beyond masochism and martyrdom.

*Completely arbitrary deletions as usual and most of the fun and knowledgable posters have left or only make guest appearances.

P.S. The more of this IRI blah laels, the funnier it gets: must be thousands of us on the IRI payroll. ROFLM!

truthseeker

My point is that there is no talking to some people. You have made your mind. In the past when I made a mistake regarding you I apologized but it was to no avail. Regarding admin I have a right to change my mind as I see new behavior. Regarding you great best of wishes to you.

There are some people who I may have disagreements or misunderstandings with. Then either admit to a mistake; apologize and shake hands. Others there is no point.

By the way I am not going to bother posting on "AO"s new blog. You guys have a go at it. I already made my points with proof; as others said I will be repeating myself. 

Another meaningless one liner

There I rest my case! Have fun.

Cliches are not arguments or valid points

QED

What did I prove VPK?

Perhaps you can explain but for a meaningless one liner. You have no answer and you throw more rubbish at people. 

So you write a blog for the purpose of getting sympathy (everyone who agrees with you, in my opinion for their own selfish resons, is good) but people who make valid points to you which are uncomfortable for you to deal with , you chose to ignore? How convenient!   

truthseeker

Thanks for proving my point.

Mehrdad; SK; MM; Tabarzin: thanks good points. I am not going to bother with you know who.

Lobbyists always muddying waters...

By hitting the road to the planes of Karbala....