به درگاه الهی، رفتم دیروز، که بپرسم
ای ایزد، من نمی دانم، کاین مذهب برگیرم، و یا انسانیت، که بپرسم
ای خداوندا، رفیقی دارم، که گوید مسلمان باشد
لیکن از دزد، بد تر بود، ز سر گردنه، ای خداوندا، که بپرسم
دگر دوستی، گوید مسیح، پروردگارش باشد
لیکن، یک لغت شیرین، بر نیاید ز این زبان، ای خداوندا، که بپرسم
ای پروردگار، اشنای دگر، گوید ره بهاء الله، ره اوست
لیکن، ذره محبتی، نتوان یافت، ای خداوندا، که بپرسم
ایزد تعالی، بس شنفت، از این بنده بیچاره
در امد ز فردوس، گفت ای فرزند، مرا بین، انان جهنم، ای خداوندا، که بپرسم
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John Lennon meant no such thing...
by Ladder for the Soul on Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:29 PM PDTJohn Lennon meant no such thing...
Please listen to his last interview on the morning before he was shot...
He clearly was a Spiritual man; believed in a Higher Being, but was against the hypocrisy the dogma and the divisions, Religions and its priests have caused.
He worshiped the Light and NOT the Lamp.
Religion is opposite of humanity
by Surna (not verified) on Sat Apr 25, 2009 08:56 PM PDTThere used to be a happy and human way of life (Aryan culture of hard work and equality of working person) in Eurasia for over ten thousand years without religion until the Semitic culture/religion (cast-system, superstitious, thievery mourning and depression) of desert south over shadow the Eurasia from forth century AD on word.
John Lennon said it all
by cyclicforward on Sat Apr 25, 2009 09:22 AM PDT"Imagine there is no country and there is no religion too"
God is as true as Santa Clause and hopefully someday humanity gets rid of religion which is source of conflict and evil. You don't need to be religious to be moral.
P.S. no offense to anybody.
Dear anonymous iran:
by Tahirih on Sat Apr 25, 2009 08:22 AM PDTدوست عزيز ما در سياست شركت نميكنيم چه برست به حكم راني ايران
لطفا انصاف داشته باشيد,
Tahirih
من آخرش نفهمیدم
1 Hamvatan (not verified)Sat Apr 25, 2009 02:26 AM PDT
من آخرش نفهمیدم این اسلامیها چه دشمنی با دین بهایی دارند؟ نه منقطی هست و نه رفتار انسانی.
پس اول باید بلد باشیم انسان باشیم و خدا عقل به همه متاسفانه انگار نداده که درست و غلط مذهب را از هم تشخیص بدهیم.
مذهب اگه شما را بطرف کشتار و تنفر از دیگران را حمایت میکند پس معلومه, نباشه سنگینتره.
دوستان
مسعود از امریکاFri Apr 24, 2009 07:22 PM PDT
خیلی ممنون از تمام نظراتتان - چه خوب، و چه بد; چه زشت، و چه قشنگ! امیدوارم که همه یک بهره برداری از این بحث ها کرده باشند - موفق باشید ... با کمال احترام به همه، مسعود
To all Bahaies
by Anonymous-Iran (not verified) on Fri Apr 24, 2009 06:54 PM PDTDear Hamvatan, there is no shortage or lack of religion in Iran or anywhere else in the World. The only thing that you Bahais have in mind is coming to power as the Muhllas did 30 years ago, but you should know that Iranians are smarter than you think and they wont let it happen.
uhmmm
by SamSamIIII on Fri Apr 24, 2009 05:46 PM PDTMasoud pal;
Being humane or religious? , well to even begin cogitating about your question , you may need to refine your choice of words & angle of your question but since I don,t have the luxury of time , I am gone drop you a line anyway , here------------------------- hope u liked that line ;) . you see where I,m going with this? . It,s all about the conception of the item by different audience . when the point of origin is not defined in the question presented , the subject is already lost in space resembling a spacecraft with no point of direction , For instance ;
On being humane (Ensaan boodan) ;
To head hunter tribes of south Malaysia up to few decades ago cooking the head of the folks in village next door , eating it for lunch & preserving the scull for later use is completely humane and natural , We as humans cut millions of trees and kill 600 million cows a year for consumptions feeling all humane about it except Hindus who call it barbaric , how about Bull fighting in Spain ?. I can keep going with tons more but humanity is defined by different races in different times via different ways .
On religion ;
I believe that Religions came as to give a more universal value system to Humanity but as they evolved they became more of a divisive baggage than a unifying force
I,m spiritual myself to a point . Look at it this way, religions are in simplest term nothing but a brokerage house which connects you to the source (God) and let you trade:)(meditate) with it for a fee that is to be a believer in their set of values . I don,t have a religion but have a God(logic behind being) that I Acknowledge & meditate with directly without the commision . I,m kinda tired & hungry to indulge more , may be l8er !
Cheers!!!
//www.iranianidentity.blogspot.com/
//www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia
a little consideration
by jeeez (not verified) on Fri Apr 24, 2009 04:23 PM PDTSpeaking of learning, I wished bahai people would learn a little bit from our jewish, zoroastrian, agnostic, and atheist Iranians, and would not try so much to shove their religion/ ideology on others. baseh baba, ogham geraft...
bahaullo said this, ... or that... now say bahaulla.... pffff
Dear faryarm
by R2-D2 on Fri Apr 24, 2009 04:14 PM PDTThere are many here who have a tremendous amount of respect for the Bahai faith. Nevertheless, they may not necessarily agree with its theology, or its approach in some things.
Having said that, I don't intend to argue this issue here, because I am not sure whether this is the proper forum or not. You need to understand, that Disagreeing With You, IS NOT Necessarily A Sign Of Direspect Towards You!
I hope that has clarified things for you. Thanks,
Respectfully,
R2-D2
Dear Souri,
by faryarm on Fri Apr 24, 2009 03:58 PM PDTThanks for your considerate remarks..
I think the fair minded are able to judge, and get something from the exchange; when there is logical, intelligent exchange; However you may be right in your judgement.
The lesson in the exchange here is that, despite the emptiness of statements , still one took the time to respond to even the most nonsensical comment, with reason and fact to which the response was equally non sensical and evasive..resulting silence.
The point is that what ever is said here about our faith, has nothing to do with personal ego and everything to do with respect for an idea we feel can transform society.
We in the west have the kind of freedom and opportunity to inform and learn from our fellow iranians; while Bahais in Iran are being arrested and interrogated for even talking to their neighbor; their homes raided, their books and computers taken away.
best
faryar
Souri
by R2-D2 on Fri Apr 24, 2009 03:46 PM PDTI know that you are perhaps disappointed that he didn't listen to you, nevertheless, you should be more objective in your statements here.
I just have one suggestion to you: Take the time to read all of the blogs that he has created in the past month or so. From Politics To Literature, etc., etc.
What I am trying to tell you is this: Do Not Judge Someone By Reading A Blog That You May Disagree With. There may be a whole larger dimension to that person, that you may not be aware of.
I am not a Christian, but I remember reading in the Christian Bible, sometimes back: Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged By The Same Measure!
I hope that you understand what I am saying. Thank you for your response.
Respectfully,
R2-D2
Souri jan I love you .
by curly on Fri Apr 24, 2009 03:40 PM PDTYour the gutsiest , and bravest lady on this site , you do not beat around the bush and you actually acknowledge the white elephant in the room.go girl i am a fan of yours.ghooorboneh dahanet.
R2-D2
by Souri on Fri Apr 24, 2009 03:30 PM PDTI remember well what you had said in that blog, and I think it was fair, and I thanked you for that.
Now, I have nothing against a good debate on religion, although some readers could tell you that they have enough of it, and I think they are right.
What I am against is, this kind of irresponsible blogging. I had asked Mr Masoo to reconsider his way of blogging about the subjects for what he has no real interest and he know that it will only bring the worst in the people of opposite side. I had asked him twice, very nicely and politely, and I had even given him all the reason I have for that.
Not only he did not discuss it with me, but he insisted more and more on going his way.
I don't think this way of blogging, could be productive neither for the site nor for the readers. It only brings hate and anger and animosity in the people. But it seems that Mr Masood, does not care a bit about it!!
This is not a time of adding the fuel to the fire of separation and "nefaagh" between different group of hamvatan. We have to work on compromise instead.
What is the purpose of always turning around the same subjects which have separated the different group of our nation for so long?
I respect you a lot and have no problem with considering my words, whenever I find them wrong or too harsh. My apologies to you if you took my comment in this way, but all I had said was only against Mr Masood's motivation on all his blogs.
Respectfully,
agha massoud gol gofti.
by chai (not verified) on Fri Apr 24, 2009 03:11 PM PDTagha massoud gol gofti.
Iran Parast
by Souri on Fri Apr 24, 2009 03:07 PM PDTBy using this famous term "Khalez zanak" you finally betrayed yourself. Now, I know who you are exactly, because with the two other username that you have, you always use the same term.
Which blog of Azadeh where you mentionning above? Curiously, I don't see it. Nevertheless, if you think that I can get embarrassed by such idiocies, then I let you be happy with your little mind. As I said to my friends, I never waste my time for the people of you level. Not worth it.
PS: Your most hypocrite behavior among others, is this way of calling people "Dear" before starting to insult them!
Souri
by R2-D2 on Fri Apr 24, 2009 02:57 PM PDTIf you remember, in Azadeh's blog that is referenced below, I came to your assistance, telling Shazde, and others, that you were probably not the woman that Azadeh was referring to.
Having said that, I believe that your comment here, is at best, unfair, and at worst, malicious.
As they say in America: Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones around.
I hope that you reconsider this comment -
Respectfully,
R2-D2
Dear Souri
by IRAN PARAST on Fri Apr 24, 2009 02:49 PM PDTI remember how you embarrassed yourself in the blog by Ms. Azadeh Azad just a couple of days ago. I also remember how you deferred to NUR, by changing the contents of your blog, when he asked you to. All of this, while everybody else was fighting his insults to everyone else, including to our Bahai friends.
As others have told you, you have a talent to be: Nokhod har aash :)
Please stop embarrassing yourself. If for no one else's sake, then for your own! - There's no point in being a Khaleh Zanak - Really!!
Have A Great Day .....
dear Faryar
by Souri on Fri Apr 24, 2009 02:20 PM PDTYou are really wasting your time in this blog. I already said, the guy does not care a bit about what he write as a blog, as long as this is a hot topic which can bring him some audiences, this is all he wants.
If tomorrow, everybody talk about Googoosh, he will write something about Googoosh, asking people to come and say if Googooshis good or bad, because he, as a good and innocent person, doesn't know anything about art and he just need help for making his mind about Googoosh!!
Let it go, dear. Personally it make me sick to see our intelligent and articulate Bahai friends come here to discuss about their religion.
Serious matter should be discussed in serious places. Here is not one serious blog. Let it go please, not worth it!!
Agha Massoud
by R2-D2 on Fri Apr 24, 2009 01:51 PM PDTWe appreciate these insightful words. As others have mentioned here, these truths do not sit well with some people, as shown below in their comments.
In Farsi, there is a poem by Sa'adi, that goes like this:
Khar Issa Garash Be Make' Barand, Cho Baz Gardad, Haman Khar Bashad
Please bear that in my mind when reading some of the comments below, that are either rude, or less than generous to you!
Ghorbane' Shoma!!!
Massoud Jaan
by Agha Mostafa (not verified) on Fri Apr 24, 2009 01:28 PM PDTThank you for sharing with us a truth that we all know in our hearts: Hypocricy is alive and well in ALL Religions.
Without mentioning any names, you can tell by some of the unkind and sarcastic words towards you below, that you have touched a raw nerve in some people!
Mamnoon Agha - Zendeh Bashi :)
Massood jan
by Anonymous-iran (not verified) on Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:15 PM PDTAs always another interesting work. I agree with "being a Human being". Religions never solved any problem, indeed they have created many problems such as, Wars, racism, genocides etc.
Ex: Dark Ages in Europe or the Islamic period, an era of ignorance, committing genocide by Arabs and Turks, superstition, or social chaos and repression.
نمی دانم...
LalehGillaniFri Apr 24, 2009 11:42 AM PDT
هنوز در جستجوی عشق یکتا میان کافران هستم... هنوز انسانیت از مذهبیان انتظار دارم... هر دو مرا آنچنان ناامید کرده اند.
Bahai writings
by amigo19 on Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDTb
Man is the supreme Talisman....
moderation in all matters(one of them is religion)!
by Alexx on Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:31 AM PDT"In all matters moderation is desirable. If a thing is carried to excess, it will prove a source of evil."
-Baha'i writtings
Dear Masooood khan
by Anonymousshaeremahaer (not verified) on Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:29 AM PDTbah bah chah chah!!!!!!!
chon ghafieh tang ayad ,shaer be jafang ayad!!!!
مذهب و انسانیت
AlexxFri Apr 24, 2009 10:24 AM PDT
مذهب بدون انسانیت فایده نداره.
Azadeh_LA
by faryarm on Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:20 AM PDTI agree That people can be Hypcritical; whatever the religion;after all no one is Perfect! and that is exactly why we need spiritual education.
However the Word of God Is Perfect.
One must not confuse the actions of imperfect human beings with that of the Creator.
Which Is Better - Being A Human Being; Or, Being Religious
by faryarm on Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:15 AM PDTWhat distinguishes the Human kingdom from the Animal Kingdom, is the Human Spirit and his ability to rise above his basic animal instinct and aspire to acquire spiritual qualities.
"Religious" today to most people means, man made ritual, dogma and superstitious nonsense. Religious practice today tends to worship the Lamp and NOT The Light. It leaders have alienated amd neglected the real needs of the human soul.
To be a Human Being is to reflect acquire the same qualities that makes Man, The "image"of God.
"The station of man is great, very great. God has created man after His own image and likeness. He has endowed him
with a mighty power which is capable of discovering the mysteries of phenomena. Through its use man is able to
arrive at ideal conclusions instead of being restricted to the mere plane of sense impressions. As he possesses sense
endowment in common with the animals, it is evident that he is distinguished above them by his conscious power of
penetrating abstract realities. He acquires divine wisdom; he searches out the mysteries of creation; he witnesses the
radiance of omnipotence; he attains the second birth—that is to say, he is born out of the material world just as he is
born of the mother; he attains to everlasting life; he draws nearer to God; his heart is replete with the love of God.
This is the foundation of the world of humanity; this is the image and likeness of God; this is the reality of man;
otherwise, he is an animal. Verily, God has created the animal in the image and likeness of man, for though man
outwardly is human, yet in nature he possesses animal tendencies."
Abdul Baha,
Promulgation of world peace , 1912
Interesting
by ur-5 (not verified) on Fri Apr 24, 2009 09:08 AM PDTVery interesting indeed Thanks Massoud :)