Since the usual mob of so-called Persian "patriots" is clearly uncomfortable talking about Israeli war crimes (or anything other than their own agenda), I propose we have an open thread where the latest from the Gaza crisis can be discussed.
First, let me say, that those people who constantly moan about "I don't care about X, this is IRANIAN.COM, not X.COM", are clearly wrong. Many of them are disingenuous. This has been proven several times. Most recently it was proven again when I put up news stories of Iranians getting killed in Iraq, and the inhuman and hostile reaction some of these "patriots" exhibited was telling.
A smaller group is clearly just protecting Israel against criticism. We have all met these people, some of them right-of-center thinkers who admire Israel's modernity, power and authority and don't care about much else. Some of them are Iranian Jews who have found a sense of pride and belonging in the dominant Israeli narrative in the West, and this is their way of protecting that feeling. Some are brought up to equate Islam with Arabs and evil and since Israel is "against" Arabs, they think Israel must be a friend, so they are just protecting friends from "enemies" by trying to silence criticism of Israel.
One way this hypocrisy becomes obvious is with their own conduct. They claim they support freedom of speech and also that we should not waste energy on Palestine when there are human rights violations in Iran. Both are valid points of view. But why would a person who has these views waste time actually criticizing others who do write about Palestine? Does that sound like someone who wants to just concern themselves with Iranian human rights? Why would someone like that care, for example, that Iran has requested Intropol investigations of Israeli officials?
Not everyone is a hypocrite of course, far from it, even here. Some people genuinely just think the Palestinian issue has nothing to do with us, and they do not want to lose focus on Iran. While I can respect their honesty, I think they are misguided. The world is incredibly interconnected. Crisis in the Middle East as well as anything having to do with Israel, Turkey, US is very relevant to Iran, relevant to the future of our country, and to the future of the people in it, including those who are seeking democratic changes.
However, I didn't really mean to get off on a rant here. I did not make this blog to talk about why the Gaza massacre is relevant to us, I will write an article about that part soon. Here, I just want to give a central location to those who do care about what is going on to comment, share links and ideas. I humbly ask those who do not care to stay out of this as to not cause themselves any unnecessary headaches.
The Picture is of the Nobel Elders Group, founded by Nelson Mandela and comprised of Nobel Peace prize winners who are active in human rights issues. It just released the statement on the Gaza crisis, which in part reads:
“The Elders have condemned the reported killing by Israeli forces of more than a dozen people who were attempting to deliver relief supplies to the Gaza Strip by sea,” the 12—member group said in a statement issued in Johannesburg, where it met over the weekend.
The group, which was launched by Mr. Mandela on his birthday in 2007 to try to solve some of the world’s most intractable conflicts, called for a “full investigation” of the incident and urged the UN Security Council “to debate the situation with a view to mandating action to end the closure of the Gaza Strip.” “This tragic incident should draw the world’s attention to the terrible suffering of Gaza’s 1.5 million people, half of whom are children under the age of 18,” the group said.
This comes in the wake of the UN Security Council action after a 12 hour emergency meeting. It was predictably watered down by Israel's main supporter, the United States. But it was passed anyway. See: UN Security Council Condemns Israel for Violence in Gaza Raid, Seeks Probe.
Lastly, I want to leave you with this short interview by Dr. Norman Finkelstein, himself an American Jew and son of two holocaust survivors who has dedicated his life to battling the inhuman Israeli policies and their corrupt cheerleaders in American media and society. Here he talks about why Israeli is officially a "Lunatic State":
So please share your feelings and links.
See Mola's blog here: //iranian.com/main/blog/mola-nasredeen/co...
Update: See Zedbazi's excellent Gaza solidarity song made during Israel's previous crimes in 2009.
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A shameful attack
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:30 PM PDTon freedom of journalistic speech.
Folks, you know I am not a big fan of this issue. However I am a big advocate of free speech. Today Helen Thomas was forced to resign for stating her opinion in a public forum. Why: because she has a very pro Palestinian view. Given that we have far worse like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh out there it is ridiculous to have her forced to resign for taking a pro Palestinian side. This was not while reporting but it was a personal opinion.
Now let me say that is not my position but it is her right. No one should be forced to resign for having an opinion like that. This is done to frighten people into taking the party line. It is in spirit not that different from the actions of IRI. Yes she was not raped but she was publicly humiliated.
We may not have freedom of speech if we pick and chose. VPK
check this out
by Niloufar Parsi on Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:36 AM PDTqueen rania tells it like it is
Q,
by Mola Nasredeen on Mon Jun 07, 2010 08:59 AM PDTThe Hot air Coalition is the Israeli enablers on this website They will probably play the fifth column serving Israel if Iran is attacked. However I do appreciate the patience you've been showing towards these Johny Comes Latelies.
Niloufar: Thanks for the update. I also heard the humanitarian movement to break Gaza's blockade is planning for more ships to take the aid there.
My God Q, you are still at it!!
by hooshie on Mon Jun 07, 2010 05:40 AM PDTTwo and a half days since I posted my last comment and you are still defending the undenfendable, I mean your being a hypocrite?
And now more skeletones are coming out of your closet.
Question for Q: why are you so obssessed with child molesting?
Just an innocent question Q - LOL
Fair
by Doctor X on Mon Jun 07, 2010 03:42 AM PDTLook I don't mean to take sides here or anything, There have been some valid points stated here by different people with different persuasions and Although your Frustration is quite obvious with what has happened , I think that Q is posing a very Legitimate argument here.
Condemning events or not, Will not bring back Lost lives, and we all know that. However, whether one wants to admit it or not and as harsh as it maybe, People in iran did Make a choice, regardless of how narrow the candidates' field was and how spotty candidate's backgrounds were.
Your repeating the same question over and over and demanding an answer for it, Is really not Helping in finding and exploring solutions and adds to the anger and hatred. It hampers the process of democratization of this country.
iran's red crescent
by Niloufar Parsi on Mon Jun 07, 2010 01:29 AM PDT"Red Crescent director for international affairs Abdul Rauf Adibzadeh told Iran's IRNA news agency that the decision to send two aid ships was made after a meeting with Iran's Foreign Ministry, Al Arabiya reported June 7. The ships will be sent to Gaza by the end of the week with one ship carrying donations and the other carrying relief workers, Adibzadeh stated. He said the initial plan was to send the ships through an intermediary country, but the society decided to send them directly. He
added that the aid would consist of foodstuffs and medicines."
Israel's treatment of journalists deplored
by Q on Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:31 AM PDTPress watchdogs have condemned the arrests of several journalists and the censorship. The International Press Institute reported that two journalists from Australia's Sydney Morning Herald - reporter Paul McGeough and photographer Kate Geraghty – were detained after being "transported" to the Israeli port of Ashdod.
Two Bulgarian journalists working for the BTV television station - reporter Svetoslav Ivanov and cameraman Valentin Vassilev - were also arrested during the assault.
Reporters Without Borders issued a statement saying: "We deplore this assault... The journalists who were on the flotilla to cover the humanitarian operation were put in harm's way by this disproportionate reaction.
"We urge the Israeli authorities to release the detained journalists and allow them unrestricted access to the Gaza Strip."
//www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/ju...
The real HOT AIR
by Fair on Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:34 PM PDTis that which leaves the mouth of a HYPOCRITE.
I nor anyone else here do not advocate you not writing. Unlike in the Islamic republic whose crimes against humanity you refuse to condemn, you have full freedom of speech here.
But then so does everybody else. And that is the part you have to get used to. NEWSFLASH- THIS IS NOT THE ISLAMIST RAPIST REPUBLIC OF IRAN. YOU ARE FREE TO EXPRESS YOURSELF.
So when someone merely asks whether or not you have a double standard and will you equally condemn the crimes against humanity of the Islamic Republic under Khomeini, Khamenei,and Mousavi as much as you do those by Israel, you have two choices:
1)Clearly and unequivocally condemn these crimes
2)find every way you can to not do so
The choice you make determines how seriously you are to be taken.
So far it is clear which choice you made, as well as the consequences.
END RESULT: YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE FULL OF HOT AIR UNTIL YOU PROVE OTHERWISE.
And of course, thanks to freedom of speech, even a hypocrite full of hot air is free to rant and rave.
So go ahead and have fun Molla.
-Fair
VPK
by MM on Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:31 PM PDTIt may be that the Arabs think that they are sitting on a higher pedestal and everyone eventually has to reach out to them. The 300,000,000 Arabs (versus 7,500,000 Israelis) have not learnt much about politics since 1948, probably not getting good advice and they could certainly use a better PR firm to improve their image.
As you said, working on politicians in smoke-filled rooms work out better than terrorism.
Hot air,
by Mola Nasredeen on Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:32 PM PDTWho are you to lecture me or anybody else on anything? Like a broken record repeating the same BS day in day out and filling this website with hot air.
For the hundredth times I ask you and your numbed head friends: "Who is stopping you to write about the Islamic Republic of Iran? Go ahead shout your brains out. Do you want to write about what went with Iraqi people ? Go ahead and write it. Do you want to write about the flees in your head go ahead and write it. Who the hell cares? I never read your stuff anyway. Because you have nothing new to say to me that I already don't know."
But you can't stop us from exposing the crimes of Israel against humanity. If you don't like to hear it then take a walk and read somebody else's blog who thinks axactly like you.
Iraneh Azad
by Fair on Sun Jun 06, 2010 09:15 PM PDTThank you for your comments, indeed you are very right. To expect any different from arrogant propagandists like Q and Shotor is futile. They have clearly shown their hypocrisy and complete disregard for the rights of the Iranian people.
-Fair
Shotor Jaan, Bebakhshid
by Iraneh Azad on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:22 PM PDTI see that you are here for 121 weeks and you have all but 10 blogs in that time frame. I promise to do all I can in the future 75 weeks here to match your 10 blog contributions on Iranian.com. Now please go cry for Gaza while our brothers and sisters are getting raped and murdered in the IRR "democracy". You do a great job for the terrorist Hamas whic in the long run will help the poor Palestinians who are under occupation.
I see that master Q has been training you in the art of attacking everyone as a stalker and multiple id agent when they are cornered with their failed anti Iranian ideology. Good job in getting trained. I always knew shotors are easy to train and loyal. Bebakhshid shotor aziz.
And who are you to attack Q? login name # 6 aka Iraneh Azad
by Mola Nasredeen on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:14 PM PDTYou with 6 different login names. Your avatar shows you've been here for 46 weeks or so but you don't have not even one blog published here. It tells Iraneh Azad is one of your many names here in order to stalk Q and the like minded ones. Or you have nothing to say, in this case go and do some research, learn about Iran's history, etc and then come back with a blog or shut up because as I stated before We Will Be Heard.
PS: The editors of this website should stop people like you who try to spam a blog by using many login names. People like you must be outed.
Dear Fair, we all know why Q avoids answering the questions
by Iraneh Azad on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:06 PM PDTIn a honest manner. Its because of the fact that he will have to admit the the IRR is as criminal and as guilty as the dirty Zionists who committed murder on the Gaza Fotila.
Q, the hypocrite that he is, can not face the fact the his beloved IRR 'democracy' is a criminal enterprise. This would mean that all his defense of the IRR would be null and void, all his lies about the IRR democracy would be exposed, and all his sherover about how "the IRR revolution is more successful than the French revolution would" be null and void.
In other words, Q will have no choice but to look in the mirrors and say "Khit shodam".
Answer the question
by Fair on Sun Jun 06, 2010 07:19 PM PDTbefore you give yourself the right to use the word "logic".
Several people have asked you here to clearly and unequivocally condemn the killing of innocent civilians by the Islamic Republic under Khomeini, Khamenei, and Mousavi. And what do you do?
You attack them and call them names.
You can blab and huff and puff as much as you want. Until you answer this very simple question publicly and clearly, you are a HYPOCRITE and the innocent people of Gaza are way better off without your "support".
It is that simple.
-Fair
I guess the whole world has an obsession these days
by Q on Sun Jun 06, 2010 07:12 PM PDTbut even if that's what it is. What does that make your spamming?
obsession on an obsession? Now, isn't that what's really pathetic?
Your statement was:
The only reason people vote Mousavi is that all the real candidates are either barred from running;
Now it's obviously you who can't name someone, you change your story and say it was impossible to pick someone people wanted!
There are so many logical flaws in this that I have to question who issued your Middle School diploma.
First of all, the election that put Islamic Republic in power was legitimate and democratic, even though there was no free press before it. This is the case with any elections. Anytime there are legitimate elections that means there weren't any before.
The problem you and your corrupt time-forgotten exile friends have is not "freedome of the press". Iranians seem to be doing just fine getting around that. It is that you do not have a candidate who people like. If people did support RP or some other candidate of the exiles' liking, they would not be saying "no, we need to wait years before an election can be legitimate".
Next, your assertion is an insult to Iranians and completely undemocratic. You are saying they are too brainwashed and can't be trusted with their own vote. (Do you really still object to the term 'fascist'? Think aobut it). They can determine on their own who to choose at anytime. they do not need any "reeducation camps" which is the only hope you exiles have of ever winning anything.
Next, you are totally wrong in your assertion for another reason. According to your logic, everybody should have voted for the regime candidate, Ahmadinejad. So, when they didn't, it totally destroys your laughable theory that they are too stupid to make their own decisions.
Lastly, since they have supported Mousavi (not all but many), at least they have shown their preference in this environment. The fact that you can't bring your smug, self-righteous self to support this choice, means you really do not care about their opinion. And this is the crux of the issue.
Just like "freedom of speech", "human rights" and all the other buz words, you are only interested in democracy, if the outcome is to your own liking. Hypocrisy at best, fascist at worst.
Q- Hypocrite AND Coward
by Fair on Sun Jun 06, 2010 07:02 PM PDTI will thank you for one thing for sure- for showing everybody clearly what a pathetic hypocrite and coward you are.
HYPOCRITE for failing to explicitly condemn the killing of innocent civilians by the Islamic Republic under Khomeini and Khamenei and Mousavi.
COWARD for attacking anybody who challenges to make your stance on this matter clear.
Your personal attack against me is as usual out of sheer desperation. Ask me a stance on any issue, I will clearly state it and not weasel out of it like you the coward.
In this site, you have no choice but to bully people with your words, as you can go no further. So it is no wonder that you do not object to the mass murder of Iranians by the Islamic republic. It fits well with your ideology.
Exposed once again Q, now keep trying to weasel out of the truth. It is the 21st century, your medieval tactics do not work.
-Fair
Q
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Jun 06, 2010 06:57 PM PDTYour whole blog is a waste of time. With your obession with Gaza.
IRR totally controls the media and the fields of candidates. There has not been a legitimate election in Iran for the whole reign of IRR. You questions is irrelevant since free elections require a free political system; campaigning and time for parties to organize. Including free press and so on. It would take years of that to get to any kind of legitimacy. If you don't understand this it is a waste of time talking to you.
VPK, don't be a time waster,
by Q on Sun Jun 06, 2010 06:49 PM PDTnot that you already aren't with your spamming of this Gaza blog. This, by the way, shows your warped priorities.
Please be kind and name ONE CANDIDATE who could possibly have received the same amount of support from Iranians, but was barred from running. Who do you think (you assert with no evidence) these Millions of people would have supported if they could?
Can you do this, yes or no?
Q
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Jun 06, 2010 06:40 PM PDTThe only reason people vote Mousavi is that all the real candidates are either barred from running; in jail; murdered or in exile. That is your Islamic Republic of thugs and murderers.
Your garbage toward Fair showed how low you really are. I am glad IRR apologists show the true face of Islamism. You and your kind belong to a primitive age that humanity is leaving behind.
Acivists return from Gaza, vow to stand up to Israel
by Q on Sun Jun 06, 2010 06:34 PM PDTI know who Iranians came to support by the Millions
by Q on Sun Jun 06, 2010 06:47 PM PDTin the streets.
And it wasn't some fatass loser from Maryland, USA. Yes, that's who is on my Avatar.
And once again, you are lying: Arab regimes, like Saudi Arabia, have their own lobbies and spokesmen in the U.S. Even particular Palestinian factions, like Fatah, have their own lobbies in the U.S. (the American Task Force on Palestine is just one example). That is a fact--
No, it's not a fact. You are the liar, or the moron (pick whichever you want). ATFP is not a lobby. It is a 501c3 non-profit. Unlike AIPAC, they have to disclose their income. How much have they contributed to what candidate? If you can't find this information, WTF are you talking about?
If you're too stupid to know the difference, kindly point to their contributions -- or any so-called foreign funded "Arab" lobby on this page:
//www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?in...
Fair: YES, you are a hypocrite. I already said I condemn killing of all innocent civilians by anybody. This went right over your head. What kind of hypocrite waits until he/she is prompted to disclose their hatred of child molestors? What about slavery?
I know you're furious but some people need to learn using unorthodox methods. You can thank me later!:)
Pathetic Q
by Fair on Sun Jun 06, 2010 06:11 PM PDTstoops lower and lower with every attempt to weasel out of responsibility.
I condemn every act of child molestation and abuse. A primary example of child abuse is the allowing of a 9 year old girl to get married. Something that Khomeini and his follower did.
Therefore I am not a hypocrite.
In fact, you can ask me to state my position on any issue, and I will do so clearly with nothing to hide.
Will you unequivolcally condemn the killing of innocent civilians by the Islamic republic under Khomeini, Khamenei, and yes- Mousavi?
Whenever you do that, you will be able to claim that you are not a hypocrite. Until then, your foot remains in your mouth as the biggest hypocrite around.
I dare you- prove that you are not a hypocrite. Others have dared you to do the same here, and all you could do is cowardly attack them.
-Fair
Nice try, Q
by Irani Irani on Sun Jun 06, 2010 06:00 PM PDTYou have made one of the Islamic Republic's thuggish functionaries your avatar. Mousavi was Prime Minister from 1981-1989, a period in Iran's history which witnessed more killing of Iranians perpetrated by the Iranian state than at any time in the 20th century. Do you think that Iranians don't know of the bloody deeds of the Islamic Republic and its various murderous politicians?
And once again, you are lying: Arab regimes, like Saudi Arabia, have their own lobbies and spokesmen in the U.S. Even particular Palestinian factions, like Fatah, have their own lobbies in the U.S. (the American Task Force on Palestine is just one example). That is a fact--learn to recognize a fact when you see one. Now keep propagandizing on behalf of the Islamic Republic. Maybe, you can change your avatar to another member of the IRI's "reformist" faction, the late Hojjatoleslam Khalkhali.
US Marine & hero Kenneth O'Keefe Speaks: Gaza Flotilla Raid, Dis
by Q on Sun Jun 06, 2010 05:17 PM PDTamazing first-hand account by a US Marine onboard.
more anti-Israel protests in France
by Q on Sun Jun 06, 2010 04:50 PM PDTMM jaan
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Jun 06, 2010 04:28 PM PDTInstead of stashing the money in Swiss banks, spending it in French casinos or building fantacy islands in Persian gulf, they could spend a little on politics.
Well said. For some reason they are not taking the obvious route. Spending money on politicians has a lot better return than terrorism. They are either too disorganized or there is some other reason they miss the obvious route.
Fair: Sadd Afarin beh shoma!
by Irani Irani on Sun Jun 06, 2010 04:13 PM PDTDon't expect an ounce of intellectual honesty from the likes of bloggers who have the IRI's former blood thirsty Prime Minister as their avatar (his premiership witnessed levels of state violence against Iranians unprecedented in recent Iranian history--even if the main engine of violence was Mousavi's idol, Khomeini). The important thing for the IRI's Amen Corner is to distract from the track record of the most repressive and violent regime in Iran's modern history, i.e. the IRI, and focus instead on the misdeeds of the dastardly Zionists. And let me say for the record that I am opposed to Zionism in principle as an ideology, just as I am opposed to Khomeinism--the main difference being that Khomeinism has resulted in tens of thousands of Iranian deaths, and Zionism (which, again, I oppose) has not.
Fair
by Gavazn on Sun Jun 06, 2010 03:50 PM PDTThanks for your brilliant comment.
IMF - it is very simple
by MM on Sun Jun 06, 2010 03:47 PM PDTThere are 300 million Arabs with billions of dollars of revenue from oil. Instead of stashing the money in Swiss banks, spending it in French casinos or building fantacy islands in Persian gulf, they could spend a little on politics.