Since the usual mob of so-called Persian "patriots" is clearly uncomfortable talking about Israeli war crimes (or anything other than their own agenda), I propose we have an open thread where the latest from the Gaza crisis can be discussed.
First, let me say, that those people who constantly moan about "I don't care about X, this is IRANIAN.COM, not X.COM", are clearly wrong. Many of them are disingenuous. This has been proven several times. Most recently it was proven again when I put up news stories of Iranians getting killed in Iraq, and the inhuman and hostile reaction some of these "patriots" exhibited was telling.
A smaller group is clearly just protecting Israel against criticism. We have all met these people, some of them right-of-center thinkers who admire Israel's modernity, power and authority and don't care about much else. Some of them are Iranian Jews who have found a sense of pride and belonging in the dominant Israeli narrative in the West, and this is their way of protecting that feeling. Some are brought up to equate Islam with Arabs and evil and since Israel is "against" Arabs, they think Israel must be a friend, so they are just protecting friends from "enemies" by trying to silence criticism of Israel.
One way this hypocrisy becomes obvious is with their own conduct. They claim they support freedom of speech and also that we should not waste energy on Palestine when there are human rights violations in Iran. Both are valid points of view. But why would a person who has these views waste time actually criticizing others who do write about Palestine? Does that sound like someone who wants to just concern themselves with Iranian human rights? Why would someone like that care, for example, that Iran has requested Intropol investigations of Israeli officials?
Not everyone is a hypocrite of course, far from it, even here. Some people genuinely just think the Palestinian issue has nothing to do with us, and they do not want to lose focus on Iran. While I can respect their honesty, I think they are misguided. The world is incredibly interconnected. Crisis in the Middle East as well as anything having to do with Israel, Turkey, US is very relevant to Iran, relevant to the future of our country, and to the future of the people in it, including those who are seeking democratic changes.
However, I didn't really mean to get off on a rant here. I did not make this blog to talk about why the Gaza massacre is relevant to us, I will write an article about that part soon. Here, I just want to give a central location to those who do care about what is going on to comment, share links and ideas. I humbly ask those who do not care to stay out of this as to not cause themselves any unnecessary headaches.
The Picture is of the Nobel Elders Group, founded by Nelson Mandela and comprised of Nobel Peace prize winners who are active in human rights issues. It just released the statement on the Gaza crisis, which in part reads:
“The Elders have condemned the reported killing by Israeli forces of more than a dozen people who were attempting to deliver relief supplies to the Gaza Strip by sea,” the 12—member group said in a statement issued in Johannesburg, where it met over the weekend.
The group, which was launched by Mr. Mandela on his birthday in 2007 to try to solve some of the world’s most intractable conflicts, called for a “full investigation” of the incident and urged the UN Security Council “to debate the situation with a view to mandating action to end the closure of the Gaza Strip.” “This tragic incident should draw the world’s attention to the terrible suffering of Gaza’s 1.5 million people, half of whom are children under the age of 18,” the group said.
This comes in the wake of the UN Security Council action after a 12 hour emergency meeting. It was predictably watered down by Israel's main supporter, the United States. But it was passed anyway. See: UN Security Council Condemns Israel for Violence in Gaza Raid, Seeks Probe.
Lastly, I want to leave you with this short interview by Dr. Norman Finkelstein, himself an American Jew and son of two holocaust survivors who has dedicated his life to battling the inhuman Israeli policies and their corrupt cheerleaders in American media and society. Here he talks about why Israeli is officially a "Lunatic State":
So please share your feelings and links.
See Mola's blog here: //iranian.com/main/blog/mola-nasredeen/co...
Update: See Zedbazi's excellent Gaza solidarity song made during Israel's previous crimes in 2009.
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Hooshie,
by Midwesty on Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:04 AM PDTYou are frequently ignoring the code of conducts on Iranian.com by attacking the writers. I can accept the word hypocrisy because it defines an action but using hypocrite attribute is used by you to attack a person.
Midwesty Nope This Blog was about Q's definition of a "Patriot"
by Darius Kadivar on Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:03 AM PDTAnd an Iranian Patriot to be precise ...
And he Got the Response He Deserved to Get ! ... And Should I say which he demanded in the first place.
Farrokhzad - Iroony Boodan:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4b8VF_uKXo
The Only Person who is Highjacking OUR Priorities as Iranians is the Author of this Blog and his likeminds.
Next Time he should Merely Stick to the Subject than use it as a pretext to attack other fellow compatriots with a different set of priorities and interests.
Best,
DK
Sorry Midwesty but you are avoiding the question
by hooshie on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:59 AM PDTTrue that this blog is written by a hypocrite but it doesn't mean that his hypocrisy should be celebrated by those who support his position.
Mammad,
by Midwesty on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:58 AM PDTPlease refrain from answering these guys. They obviously have a different agenda!
Hooshie,
by Midwesty on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:53 AM PDTThe topic of this blog is about recent Gaza incident. You can blog about human right violations in Iran but that in any form can't discredit the topic of this blog.
user ID "mammad" says
by fooladi on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:42 AM PDT"don't open your mouth, or use your pen, before having all the facts"
This is classic, specially coming from a "practicing muslim", a self proclaimed "academic"!
This quote sounds like the opening statement of the "interrogation process" at Evin, for any free thinking Iranain who dared to either "open his mouth" or "use a pen". As for the "facts", they'd be beaten into the poor man or woman so thoroughly that he/she'd turn up on mullahs TV repeating these "facts" like a parrot!
Back tracking already Mr Midwesty?
by hooshie on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:52 AM PDTHere is what you wrote a few comments earlier;
Sa'adi's verses on the UN entrance has already tied our patriotism with humanity.
This Blog is about human rights be it in Gaza or in Iran. Human body is one, that is what you quoted from Sa'di, didn't you? Now why do you want to split it in to two again? Who is highjacking the blog: those who insist that human rights is divisible or those who think it is indivisible?
Mammad
by sag koochooloo on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:39 AM PDTI was not being personal, but I was not born yesterday either. I know there are good individuals around, but what I am talking about observations and experience. The mess Bahais are in and have been in is because of silence of the majority towards their plight in the past. It is a valid question. And I will open my mouth whenever I want, you do not give me permission to speak in an open forum.
HUMAN RIGHTS BEGIN AT HOME, IRAN. This is the problem with our society.
Nonsense F!
by Mammad on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:34 AM PDTYour nonsense is unlimited, even though the universe, as vast as it is, is finite!
There are protests all over the world about the latest Israel crimes. Many decent Jewish people are protesting it. Read Haaretz article about the crimes. They are all supporters of VF? It is only human decency to protest war crimes.
Once again:
HUMAN RIGHTS AND RESPECTING THEM ARE UNIVERSAL VALUES THAT TRANSCEND NATIONAL BOUNDARIES.
Mammad
I did sign the letter
by Mammad on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:26 AM PDTAs a practicing Muslim I signed the letter to my Bahai compatriots in which we apologized to them for all the injustice that has been done to them. Check it for yourself.
As an academic, I constantly help Iranian Bahais who get secret education in Iran and need someone like me to confirm the credibility of their education.
As a supporter of secular democratic republic in Iran, which would be good for al Iranians including the Bahais, I post at least two articles/week on major websites.
So, don't open your mouth, or use your pen, before having all the facts.
The root cause of Israel's new crimes is not Hamas or the IR. It is occupation of Paleastinian lands, and the four-year siege on Gaza that has transformed it to the largest open-air jail in the history of mankind. I am sick and tired of violations of human rights everywhere, not just Iran or Palestine.
Mammad
Hooshie jan, I have always wanted to ask this question myself
by sag koochooloo on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:24 AM PDT"Someone going through the legal process and getting convicted of something (rightly or wrongfully) has nothing to do with the act of killing an innocent indiscriminately. "
What a cop out. That is not the issue or question - why are Iranians more sympathetic to the plight of Palestinians than persecuted Iranians like bahais? In my opinion it is because they put the Human Rights of Muslims in other countries before that of non-muslim in Iran. Period. And it is only when they lost their OWN freedom and vote that they shout from rooftops, otherwise people like Bahais are irrelevant (as IRANVATANEMAN said in his blog). It is sickening.
user ID "midwesty"
by fooladi on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:21 AM PDTI just hope that the "legal process" of the velayate vaghih of IRI that you are so fond of would never get implemented in the "midwest" of USA (or wherever you are based at). Because if it did, next time you pop out dressed in your best immitation goochie watch and shoe to your local star bucks to check out the local chicks out for a drink, you'd be arrested and whipped 70 times in public!
But yea, I dig you, buddy. And I hope you turned up for one of those "thousand strong" marches across USA , yesterday on memorial day , in support of your "palestinian brothers", or maybe you didnt, as you are still here "talking" :)
Hooshi jan, DK,
by Midwesty on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:22 AM PDTThis blog is about the recent incident in Gaza...
When you ask a question like that, you open the door for me to ask, "if Bahais are against Gazans that anytime we start talking about Gazans it strikes a cord with Bahais?
Dk,
I hope this wasn't your thoughtful comment to hijack this blog by bringing up something totally unrelated that would make people emotional and then sidetrack the subject matter.
Midwesty: is being Bahai an illegal status in your
by hooshie on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:08 AM PDTbook of human rights? Now which part of that don't you get?
If you are on "human rights side"
by fooladi on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:06 AM PDTShift your focus where the human rights are violated most severely. Look at the source of the problem. Look at which entity has been arming hamas and hizbullah who have been murdering more palestinians than Israel has ever, even by your own exagerated estimates. If you were in Tehran last year you'd see who was killing brave Iranian people on the streets. It was not an Israeli, no, it was a hizbullah. In fact lots of those killers were Palestinians.
That is why Iranains shouted "na ghaze, na lobnan, janam fadaye Iran". But I guess you did not hear their voices , as you live in USA.
Consider above if you are simply on "human rights side" as you claim. If you are Iranian, with a shred of love for your homeland and it's people, just cut this nonesense and stop playing into the velayate vaghih's propaganda machinery, believe me there is no future in this velayate vaghih , go ask musavi and rafsanjani and they'll tell you:)
hooshie,
by Midwesty on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:05 AM PDTSomeone going through the legal process and getting convicted of something (rightly or wrongfully) has nothing to do with the act of killing an innocent indiscriminately. What part of that don't you get?
Same question for Mammad.
by hooshie on Tue Jun 01, 2010 09:50 AM PDTWhen was the last time you signed a petition to protest arrest and execution of Bahsi's in Iran? Evidence would be appreciated.
FYI/سروده جدید سیمین بهبهانی، بانوی شعر معاصر درسوگ اِعدام ۵ کُر
Darius KadivarTue Jun 01, 2010 09:52 AM PDT
Simin Behbahani on the recent execution of 5 Kurds by the IRI ...
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MgYqya1zDc&feature=player_embedded
Don't Mention it to ERDOGAN ! ...
Since you asked me,
by Mola Nasredeen on Tue Jun 01, 2010 09:45 AM PDT1. You've been here under this user name for a few weeks, so you're a newcomer and supposedly don't know others on this website.
2. I'm on human rights side, be it Iranians or Palestinians.
3. My question to you is why can't you see other people's sufferings and why can't you see the connections between Freedom for Iranians and Freedom for Palestinians.
Midwesty: Sadi's poem is not about oranges and apples
by hooshie on Tue Jun 01, 2010 09:44 AM PDTDidn't you support and quote Sadi's poem at the UN building? Bani- Adam means ALL HUMAN BEINGS. Saadi doesn't differentiate between Gazan and Bahai. Pleas put your word where your mouth is.
the velayate vaghih fan club are out in force!
by fooladi on Tue Jun 01, 2010 09:31 AM PDTMola: Any Iranian, no matter where they live and what their politics , if they have a shred of humanity in their mind, would be concerned with thousands of bright young Iranians who are imprisoned , tortured and under threat of death of this desparatre Velayate vaghih IRI. Anybody who tries to shift focus from this grave matter affecting Iran by screaming about "innocent palestinians" and their "human rights activist!!!!!!" buddies is purposly or not trying to do IRI's desparate shift of frocus trick!
Now which side are you on? Iran and Iraniands or "innocent palestinians!!!!!!"???
Indeed I wouldn't Demonstrate were it in Paris, London or SF ...
by Darius Kadivar on Tue Jun 01, 2010 08:55 AM PDTOr elsewhere Particularly when organized by their likes ...
SATIRE: Hamid Dabashi & George Galloway "Get me Out of Here, I'm a Celebrity"
When thousands of people in Paris were demonstrating
by Mola Nasredeen on Tue Jun 01, 2010 08:48 AM PDTyou were hiding in your home saying: "I'm going to stay away from this crowd". They were demonstrating against the massacre of innocent school children at UN compound in Gaza, do you remember that? Well I do because camels have a long term memory while superficial individual such as you are forgetful.
Thanks Mammad, well said
by Bavafa on Tue Jun 01, 2010 08:45 AM PDTMehrdad
CAMEL SPOTTING: Mola Nasredeen
by Darius Kadivar on Tue Jun 01, 2010 08:46 AM PDTNot only I know what I said at the time ( which Clearly YOU Don't, which is not surprising from a Camel with Alzheimers ) But I would repeat EVERY Word I made at the time regarding that conflict particularly towards YOUR Likes !
CAMEL SPOTTING: A Good Camel is an Obedient Camel (pictory)
As well as Towards YOUR Master :
SATIRE: The Olagh has Landed ;0)
LOL
I don't Belong to the HEZBEH BAAD like the author of this blog and his likeminds !
Apple and oranges...
by Midwesty on Tue Jun 01, 2010 08:36 AM PDTApple with apples not oranges. The list of seven to be executed, rightly or wrongfully, has nothing to do with indiscriminate killing of innocents.
It is a human rights issue not patriotic one
by Mammad on Tue Jun 01, 2010 08:35 AM PDTI support the Palestinians to liberate their lands from Israel occupation and war crimes. The present Israel government is a collection of war criminals who should be put on trial by the International Criminal Court.
Israel's crimes are becoming too obvious to ignore. Mossad Chief recently said that Israel is becoming a burden for the US (read today's Haarezt, not only for this statement, but also for its reporting on the latest crime). General David Petreaus recently said that Israel is endangering the lives of US soldiers in the Middle East. Europeans are becoming sick and tired of Israel's crimes. Even in the US the public is finally waking up to the bogus notion that Israel's interests are the US' interests.
But, protesting the rights of Palestinians is not a patriotic duty for Iranians, or for all Muslims and non-Muslims for that matter. Patriotism has nothing to do with it. Protesting these crimes has to do with the universality of respect for human rights. Human rights and respect for them are universal values that transcend national boundaries.
It is from this perspective that Israel's crimes must be protested. Now, those who present themselves as fake "human rights supporter," or "human rights advocate" for Iranian, but try to stay away from the latest crimes, only prove the fakeness of their hollow slogans. There is no other way of interpreting this.
True, Iranians must focus on Iran. But, protesting a crime of this scale by voicing our concerns, signing petitions and letters, and acts of this type does not takle any time, but indicate the sincerity of the claim that we support human rights.
HUMAN RIGHTS AND RESPECTING THEM ARE UNIVERSAL VALUES.
Mammad
And I do remember your shameless comments when they were
by Mola Nasredeen on Tue Jun 01, 2010 08:34 AM PDTkilling children and women in Gaza by your wonderful friends the Israelis who are supporting your nim Pahlavi, aka, "where's our billions your mommy and daddy stole from us" boy. Yes you DK.
In the meantime 7 Iranians on Execution List ...
by Darius Kadivar on Tue Jun 01, 2010 08:29 AM PDTMr. Ahmad Daneshpour Moghaddam
Mr. Mohsen Daneshpour Moghaddam
Mr. Abdulreza Ghanbari
Mr. Hadi Ghaemi
Mr. Mohammad Ali Saremi
Mr. Jaafar Kazemi
Mr. Mohammad Ali Hadj Agha-ee
Oh But I guess it is UNPATRIOTIC and RIGHT WING to Even Consider their URGENT Predicament as an Iranian Priority ...
Letter to His Excellency Ban Ki-Moon, Secretary General of The United Nations by Reza Pahlavi (rezapahlavi.org)
Put your words where your mouth is
by hooshie on Tue Jun 01, 2010 08:27 AM PDTEvidence Q, evidence?
Now the reformist mob is taking us for a ride on a SHOTOR (LMAO)