Quintessential Questions
به زبان فارسی
PICTORY
LATEST MUSIC
SEARCH
Gaza Attack News and Open Thread
01-Jun-2010
Since the usual mob of so-called Persian "patriots" is clearly uncomfortable talking about Israeli war crimes (or anything other than their own agenda), I propose we have an open thread where the latest from the Gaza crisis can be discussed.
First, let me say, that those people who constantly moan about "I don't care about X, this is IRANIAN.COM, not X.COM", are clearly wrong. Many of them are disingenuous. This has been proven several times. Most recently it was proven again when I put up news stories of Iranians getting killed in Iraq, and the inhuman and hostile reaction some of these "patriots" exhibited was telling.
A smaller group is clearly just protecting Israel against criticism. We have all met these people, some of them right-of-center thinkers who admire Israel's modernity, power and authority and don't care about much else. Some of them are Iranian Jews who have found a sense of pride and belonging in the dominant Israeli narrative in the West, and this is their way of protecting that feeling. Some are brought up to equate Islam with Arabs and evil and since Israel is "against" Arabs, they think Israel must be a friend, so they are just protecting friends from "enemies" by trying to silence criticism of Israel.
One way this hypocrisy becomes obvious is with their own conduct. They claim they support freedom of speech and also that we should not waste energy on Palestine when there are human rights violations in Iran. Both are valid points of view. But why would a person who has these views waste time actually criticizing others who do write about Palestine? Does that sound like someone who wants to just concern themselves with Iranian human rights? Why would someone like that care, for example, that Iran has requested Intropol investigations of Israeli officials?
Not everyone is a hypocrite of course, far from it, even here. Some people genuinely just think the Palestinian issue has nothing to do with us, and they do not want to lose focus on Iran. While I can respect their honesty, I think they are misguided. The world is incredibly interconnected. Crisis in the Middle East as well as anything having to do with Israel, Turkey, US is very relevant to Iran, relevant to the future of our country, and to the future of the people in it, including those who are seeking democratic changes.
However, I didn't really mean to get off on a rant here. I did not make this blog to talk about why the Gaza massacre is relevant to us, I will write an article about that part soon. Here, I just want to give a central location to those who do care about what is going on to comment, share links and ideas. I humbly ask those who do not care to stay out of this as to not cause themselves any unnecessary headaches.
The Picture is of the Nobel Elders Group, founded by Nelson Mandela and comprised of Nobel Peace prize winners who are active in human rights issues. It just released the statement on the Gaza crisis, which in part reads:
“The Elders have condemned the reported killing by Israeli forces of more than a dozen people who were attempting to deliver relief supplies to the Gaza Strip by sea,” the 12—member group said in a statement issued in Johannesburg, where it met over the weekend.
The group, which was launched by Mr. Mandela on his birthday in 2007 to try to solve some of the world’s most intractable conflicts, called for a “full investigation” of the incident and urged the UN Security Council “to debate the situation with a view to mandating action to end the closure of the Gaza Strip.” “This tragic incident should draw the world’s attention to the terrible suffering of Gaza’s 1.5 million people, half of whom are children under the age of 18,” the group said.
This comes in the wake of the UN Security Council action after a 12 hour emergency meeting. It was predictably watered down by Israel's main supporter, the United States. But it was passed anyway. See: UN Security Council Condemns Israel for Violence in Gaza Raid, Seeks Probe.
Lastly, I want to leave you with this short interview by Dr. Norman Finkelstein, himself an American Jew and son of two holocaust survivors who has dedicated his life to battling the inhuman Israeli policies and their corrupt cheerleaders in American media and society. Here he talks about why Israeli is officially a "Lunatic State":
So please share your feelings and links.
See Mola's blog here: //iranian.com/main/blog/mola-nasredeen/co...
Update: See Zedbazi's excellent Gaza solidarity song made during Israel's previous crimes in 2009.
| Recently by Q | Comments | Date |
|---|---|---|
| Sahra Wagenknecht | 10 | Jun 12, 2011 |
| Iran-hiker Sara Shourd is singing for Shane and Josh | 9 | Dec 01, 2010 |
| Reza Pahlavi and the Neoconservatives | 16 | Nov 09, 2010 |
RECENT COMMENTS
IRANIANS OF THE DAY
| Person | About | Day |
|---|---|---|
| نسرین ستوده: زندانی روز | Dec 04 | |
| Saeed Malekpour: Prisoner of the day | Lawyer says death sentence suspended | Dec 03 |
| Majid Tavakoli: Prisoner of the day | Iterview with mother | Dec 02 |
| احسان نراقی: جامعه شناس و نویسنده ۱۳۰۵-۱۳۹۱ | Dec 02 | |
| Nasrin Sotoudeh: Prisoner of the day | 46 days on hunger strike | Dec 01 |
| Nasrin Sotoudeh: Graffiti | In Barcelona | Nov 30 |
| گوهر عشقی: مادر ستار بهشتی | Nov 30 | |
| Abdollah Momeni: Prisoner of the day | Activist denied leave and family visits for 1.5 years | Nov 30 |
| محمد کلالی: یکی از حمله کنندگان به سفارت ایران در برلین | Nov 29 | |
| Habibollah Golparipour: Prisoner of the day | Kurdish Activist on Death Row | Nov 28 |
Re: LOL
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Jun 04, 2010 03:12 AM PDTI like Dr. Who better myself !!
LOL
by Gavazn on Fri Jun 04, 2010 03:04 AM PDTDoctor X is 5 hours 53 min old!
Q's alterego!
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Jun 04, 2010 02:41 AM PDTGlad you managed to get a new email account! Who said I was a "Bashar"?
Israeli racism at sea
by Q on Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:23 AM PDT"Blunt said Neish told her he’d suffered deep bruises on his arms after being bound for up to 25 hours by plastic handcuffs and was repeatedly threatened with death by soldiers carrying assault rifles.
Still, the 53-year-old retired marine engineer conceded the treatment he received could have been worse.
“Kevin said that they were treating him maybe more gently than they were treating people of other nationalities because he was North American,” Blunt said.
“The harshest treatment was being dealt out to the Turkish people on board.”
Blunt said it’s still not clear exactly when Neish will return to Canada. He’s expressed a desire to remain in Turkey to attend the funerals of his shipmates.
Burney, 37, director of the Qatar-based advocacy group Al Fakhoora, said he was on the convoy to deliver computers to Gaza universities.
He arrived back in Qatar, where he lives, on Thursday.
Burney accused commandos of waiting more than an hour before treating the dozens of wounded, even watching one elderly man bleed to death after being shot.
//www.thestar.com/news/world/article/818902--...
Man. This Bashar has some Galls...VPK
by Doctor X on Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:57 PM PDTNever. Talk is cheap and action is expensive. You know and I know that they are not gonna do jack. In fact they are living in the West since it is safe and free. Plus once people of Iran overthrow IRI it is much safer for Q to be in the West. Nope Q is not going anywhere not now not in the future.
Since when Living in the west Has been Free? Don't tell me you are one of those honorable welfare recipients from the Dolate fahimeye ALijenab Obama? are you? What kind of excruciating yet educational ordeal do you put your mind through on a daily basis to come up with such exteremely valid and absolutely irrefutable statemets?
Regarding fascism.
Not in this comment necessarily, But when one digs deep enough in your anti-religious writings, one can sense that all that screaming of You Islamists leave my country alone, Accompanied with plenty curse words and cursing phrases, are nothing BUT fascism.
That shows how you truly are inside, despite all these facade and cosmetics of "oh did you see what The individual pictured in your avatar and his buddies have done to all the true Patriots".
You can not claim that you respect Human rights and those humans who are supposed to enjoy the benefits of human rights, Not until you learn to change your tone and behavior towards those who do not share your Philosophical and ideological Platform.
US citizen was shot in the head four times
by Q on Thu Jun 03, 2010 09:50 PM PDTVPK, it's really funny. Pointing fingers at others does not help you, in fact confirms the main point, beautifully. It's obvious, you have a disturbing inability to tolerate even the slightest deviation from your political agenda. Nevermind yourself and people who share your views, you simply can't stand the fact that someone else may not share it. It bothers you deeply that someone is not talking about what you want you think is important, to the point where you can't just let it be. As I explained in the blog, this desire for control is much stronger than your desire for human rights, as evidenced by what you spend your time doing.
It is a telling authoritarian trait, I'm being totally honest, ask any psychiatrist. "Exclusionary" is quite mild actually.
Q
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Thu Jun 03, 2010 08:43 PM PDTTalking about exclusionary policies: Islamism and IRI exclude non Muslims from all kinds of things.
You think this is not exclusion? Islam is exclusionary by nature! If you are not Muslim you are not treated as equal. Are you daft? Are you blind? Go read the IRI laws. They are total apartheid and discrimination.
Plus among Shiite Muslims women are second class citizens and not full humans.
بله آقای وپ ک
KhersThu Jun 03, 2010 07:08 PM PDT
شما نباید موشکافی بکنید. چون آقای کیو خودش اصلا موشکافی نمیکنه. نمونهاش اینجا:
//iranian.com/main/blog/khers-3
dameshoon garm!
by Q on Thu Jun 03, 2010 07:01 PM PDTStudents march, hold vigil after Gaza aid attack
//www.stanforddaily.com/2010/06/03/students-m...
VPK, interesting you should try to split hairs. The definition of the word, which is not the same as the government system fits perfectly actually. corporatism like the kind developed in Italy is not essential in it. Exclusionary policies which I pointed out to you below, is however. Of course you are not going to agree, and I expect this fully. But just so the readers know, the shoe does fit!
Q
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Thu Jun 03, 2010 06:46 PM PDTYou throw your accusations around pretty casually. You need to first study what "fascist" means. Even if you were right about my post which you are not. My post would still not qualify as fascist. That ideology involves a form of corporatism which I oppose very strongly. You need to learn basics of political science to avoid putting your foot in your mouth. Just posting links from Al Jazeera is insufficient.
Perhaps a college course may help.
Here is a very basic link:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
VPK
'We were kidnapped,' Swedish author says of Gaza flotilla raid
by Q on Thu Jun 03, 2010 06:32 PM PDTBerlin - Henning Mankell, the bestselling Swedish crime author who was on the Gaza flotilla, Thursday described his experience at the hands of the Israeli military as "kidnapping."
"It was an act of piracy. We were actually kidnapped," he said in Berlin, speaking publicly about his ordeal for the first time since being deported from Israel following the incident.
Mankell was on board the MS Sofia, a Swedish-owned vessel that was part of the so-called Gaza Freedom Flotilla which attempted to break the blockade of Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip on Monday.
//www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/327082,we-...
Oh I know, you didn't mean to sound that fascistic
by Q on Thu Jun 03, 2010 06:29 PM PDTbut some things you just can't hide very easily. It's a direct consequence of your own misguided exclusionist attitude toward "human rights". The point is made nontheless.
Gaza flotilla: Sarah Colborne's account
//www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/03/sarah-...
Q
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Thu Jun 03, 2010 06:23 PM PDTThis is not about the kind of freedom I am advocating. It is what happens when there are revolutions. When revolutions happen those openly sympathetic to the old regime tend to be better off away. Not my decision or choice. It is reality.
Would you like to discuss how people openly supportive of the Shah got treated! Innocent and partiotic people who got destroyed by the likes of your avatar.
Bavafa, it's starting: Egypt breaks blockade on Gaza Strip
by Q on Thu Jun 03, 2010 06:17 PM PDT//www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/egypt-b...
Yes Q,
by Bavafa on Thu Jun 03, 2010 06:13 PM PDTUS has realized they can not bring the Palestinians to their knees, now looking for alternative method.
Lets see how many others have to be killed both by direct IDF savagery and the Zionist tight grip of Gaza before they realize that no, the best way is open that prison.
Mehrdad
Reporters Dispute Israeli Account of Raid
by Q on Thu Jun 03, 2010 06:12 PM PDT//thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/report...
VPK:
Plus once people of Iran overthrow IRI it is much safer for Q to be in the West.
It's good to know the kind of "freedom" you are advocating for a future Iran. Thank Allah nobody will put you in charge anytime soon. Thank You for letting me add another class of hypocrisy to the ones I mentioned in the blog.
Everybody Loves Somebody .
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Thu Jun 03, 2010 06:07 PM PDTWhen are you guys going to get on the next ship to Gaza to defend your Palestinian friends?
Never. Talk is cheap and action is expensive. You know and I know that they are not gonna do jack. In fact they are living in the West since it is safe and free. Plus once people of Iran overthrow IRI it is much safer for Q to be in the West. Nope Q is not going anywhere not now not in the future.
Clinton: US Looking for New Ways to Aid Gaza
by Q on Thu Jun 03, 2010 06:02 PM PDTWow, that was fast.
//www1.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/C...
Q et al
by Everybody Loves Somebody ... on Thu Jun 03, 2010 06:01 PM PDTWhen are you guys going to get on the next ship to Gaza to defend your Palestinian friends?
God bless Israel.
Hundreds of cameras confiscated, kept by Israel
by Q on Thu Jun 03, 2010 05:55 PM PDTThis is from Al Jazeera
Al Jazeera had its own camera crews travelling on the Gaza aid convoy, but all of the video they shot has been confiscated by Israeli authorities. There is no word on when - or if - the pictures might be released.
Israel has been releasing its own video - which supports the Israeli version of events, and contradicts the reports of many witnesses.
Al Jazeera's Dan Nolan looks at both sides of the story.
Israel detains Hawaii activist
by Q on Thu Jun 03, 2010 05:52 PM PDT//www.starbulletin.com/news/20100602_Israel_d...
Why
by Iraniandudee3 on Thu Jun 03, 2010 05:42 PM PDTeven care? We have toomany problems as it is, simple.
Darveesh: respectfully I ask
by Bavafa on Thu Jun 03, 2010 03:30 PM PDTLets keep the conversation within the topics of this blog. Non-related topics can be carried on with full vengeance in other blogs which there seem to be plenty of them.
Thanks Mulah for keeping us posted on the event aroud this act of savagery
Mehrdad
poster says------Prove it to IRANIAN.COM!
by Darveesh on Thu Jun 03, 2010 03:21 PM PDTeasy
say you are anti iran and pro israel
problem solved.
EEscrw the protest, weep for the dead
by Darveesh on Thu Jun 03, 2010 03:19 PM PDT19 year old amreican citizen shot 5 times, once in the heart and 4 times in the head by IEF - Israeli Execution Forces.
19 year old american GIRL lost an eye by bullet of an israeli police while protesting against the MASSACRE.
10 are still missing and unaccounted for.
protest that
Protests and Rallies
by Mola Nasredeen on Thu Jun 03, 2010 03:11 PM PDTYou can also find resources for protests and media action on Gaza Freedom Flotilla web section.
Protests continue across the United States--join one near you, or organize your own using Gaza Freedom Flotilla resources and register your action with the Gaza Freedom March website.
Here's a list of U.S. actions in the coming days:
June 3:
Charlottesville, VA
New York, NY
June 4:
Knoxville, TN
San Francisco, CA
Raleigh, NC
Tampa, FL
Washington, DC
Oklahoma City, OK
Iowa City, IA
Dallas, TX
Houston, TX
June 5:
Northfield, MN
San Francisco, CA
Fort Wayne, IN
Philadelphia, PA
Sioux Falls, SD
New Orleans, LA
Eugene, OR
June 8:
New York, NY
Keep checking the website for more actions!
I must have ruffled a few feathers Q!
by hooshie on Thu Jun 03, 2010 01:13 PM PDTYour uncharacteristically long and loud reply in defence of yourself shows clearly how sensitive you must be to get caught in the double standards act.
It is not our fault that your English is so poorly un-American, obscure and grammatically twisted, like your logic, but the good news is that there is a soultion for it: American-English 101 (I can't help you with your logic I am afraid).
We are still to be convinced of your support for the Bahai rights and ordeals they have suffered under and during Mousavi regime. You don't need to prove it to me. Prove it to IRANIAN.COM.
Words are cheap - show us the evidence.
Ambassador recalls
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:01 AM PDTAre the biggest jokes in the world. This is NOT the same as shutting down diplomatic relationship. It means the ambassador is recalled for discussion. It is the mildest rebuke and mostly for public relations and means nothing.
None of these nations are doing jack. The real things that matter are trade and do not expect that to stop anytime soon.
VPK
Good NP
by Onlyiran on Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:56 AM PDTYou keep an eye on that ship, and we Iranians will keep an eye on the anniversary of the rigged elections and the post election massacre, property destructions, jailing, raping and torturing of Iranians.
South Africa recalls Israel ambassador!
by Disenchanted on Thu Jun 03, 2010 09:32 AM PDT//www.jta.org/news/article/2010/06/03/2739428/south-africa-recalls-israel-ambassador
Obviously South Africa also falls for IRI tricks!!! Who said Israeli agents don't post on Iranian.com? Some of those who are pretending to care SO MUCH about Iranian civil rights no doubt are logging in from Tel Aviv! Surprise Surprise!
I admit however that the crimes of zionist is the best cover for the thugs in Tehran streets.