Gaza Attack News and Open Thread

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Gaza Attack News and Open Thread
by Q
01-Jun-2010
 

Since the usual mob of so-called Persian "patriots" is clearly uncomfortable talking about Israeli war crimes (or anything other than their own agenda), I propose we have an open thread where the latest from the Gaza crisis can be discussed.

First, let me say, that those people who constantly moan about "I don't care about X, this is IRANIAN.COM, not X.COM", are clearly wrong. Many of them are disingenuous. This has been proven several times. Most recently it was proven again when I put up news stories of Iranians getting killed in Iraq, and the inhuman and hostile reaction some of these "patriots" exhibited was telling.

A smaller group is clearly just protecting Israel against criticism. We have all met these people, some of them right-of-center thinkers who admire Israel's modernity, power and authority and don't care about much else. Some of them are Iranian Jews who have found a sense of pride and belonging in the dominant Israeli narrative in the West, and this is their way of protecting that feeling. Some are brought up to equate Islam with Arabs and evil and since Israel is "against" Arabs, they think Israel must be a friend, so they are just protecting friends from "enemies" by trying to silence criticism of Israel.

One way this hypocrisy becomes obvious is with their own conduct. They claim they support freedom of speech and also that we should not waste energy on Palestine when there are human rights violations in Iran. Both are valid points of view. But why would a person who has these views waste time actually criticizing others who do write about Palestine? Does that sound like someone who wants to just concern themselves with Iranian human rights? Why would someone like that care, for example, that Iran has requested Intropol investigations of Israeli officials?

Not everyone is a hypocrite of course, far from it, even here. Some people genuinely just think the Palestinian issue has nothing to do with us, and they do not want to lose focus on Iran. While I can respect their honesty, I think they are misguided. The world is incredibly interconnected. Crisis in the Middle East as well as anything having to do with Israel, Turkey, US is very relevant to Iran, relevant to the future of our country, and to the future of the people in it, including those who are seeking democratic changes.

However, I didn't really mean to get off on a rant here. I did not make this blog to talk about why the Gaza massacre is relevant to us, I will write an article about that part soon. Here, I just want to give a central location to those who do care about what is going on to comment, share links and ideas. I humbly ask those who do not care to stay out of this as to not cause themselves any unnecessary headaches.

The Picture is of the Nobel Elders Group, founded by Nelson Mandela and comprised of Nobel Peace prize winners who are active in human rights issues. It just released the statement on the Gaza crisis, which in part reads:

“The Elders have condemned the reported killing by Israeli forces of more than a dozen people who were attempting to deliver relief supplies to the Gaza Strip by sea,” the 12—member group said in a statement issued in Johannesburg, where it met over the weekend.

The group, which was launched by Mr. Mandela on his birthday in 2007 to try to solve some of the world’s most intractable conflicts, called for a “full investigation” of the incident and urged the UN Security Council “to debate the situation with a view to mandating action to end the closure of the Gaza Strip.” “This tragic incident should draw the world’s attention to the terrible suffering of Gaza’s 1.5 million people, half of whom are children under the age of 18,” the group said.

This comes in the wake of the UN Security Council action after a 12 hour emergency meeting. It was predictably watered down by Israel's main supporter, the United States. But it was passed anyway. See: UN Security Council Condemns Israel for Violence in Gaza Raid, Seeks Probe.

Lastly, I want to leave you with this short interview by Dr. Norman Finkelstein, himself an American Jew and son of two holocaust survivors who has dedicated his life to battling the inhuman Israeli policies and their corrupt cheerleaders in American media and society. Here he talks about why Israeli is officially a "Lunatic State":

So please share your feelings and links.
See Mola's blog here: //iranian.com/main/blog/mola-nasredeen/co...

Update: See Zedbazi's excellent Gaza solidarity song made during Israel's previous crimes in 2009.

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Q

Thank You Mola and Doctor X

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Doctor X,

You sound like a truly intelligent and fair-minded person. I'm sorry you had to be draggedin the mud by the scum who live there, but I admire your courage and persistence. You dared to say something resembling objective fairness and you got attack-dogged for it. That's how the mob on the website operates. Anyway, don't take it personally. We appreciate your contributions.

Thanks Mola as always.


Q

What a loser!

by Q on

Losers who literally can't control themselves should not be giving others lectures. Hillarious jokes based on blind ignorance of facts, however, are welcome. This is such a joke:

Some here evidently are very upset that a person actually dares ask whether or not Islamic Rapist government's crimes against innocent Iranians should even be condemned.

Yes, there is one person on this site who dares to say something negative about IRI and that's you!!! Wow, just when you thought the fascist delusions couldn't go any deeper...

The reality (as opposed to what Fair believes) is that trash talking and bashing IRI is the dominant activity on this website and many other websites. This is of course, indisputable, if you live the real world. If you, however, live in a delusional world of makebelief and you are a fascist minded person with a serious authoritarian streak, you cannot accept reality.

Instead, you play victim and invent some other narrative that suits you ideologically. If this was simply about a difference of opinion or political difference, there would be no need to spam a blog on another subject, one that is truly underrepresented in the venue. But such fascist-minded person, not only cannot handle a disagreement, which afterall is not technically at issue here( these are not opposite topics, but two different stories), but such a person cannot handle a discussion on any other topic other than his/her personal crusade. Everything else must be stopped or else, its writers are just trying to help IRI.

It's like Orwell's 1984. All love must be love of Big Brother. Anything else will not be tolerated. So, here on Iranian.com, all discussion must be hatred of IRI, nothing else is valid or worthy, no matter how many children have died.

This is why, we Iranians must pray to Allah multiple times a day and thank him for not having allowed such fascist-minded scum to obtain even the slightest power in life. This is part of what drives them crazy, but unfortunately they are losers and that's about it. They can BS all they want and use fake names to try to bully people on websites, but that's all they can do in life.


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Americans sign letter to UN Secretary General

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summarizing just some of the gross human rights violations by the
most  oppressive regime in the world:

//www.palestineconference.org/un-letter.shtml

 

Yet some people here are so adamantly against condemning such a regime's
abuses, to the point that they are offended even if someone just asks
if they are willing to condemn these abuses.

It is clear which side has more credibility today in the 21st century.

 

-Anti this jerk called Fair

 

 

 


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Amnesty International on the fascist regime in Israel

by IranMilitaryForum.net on

 

//www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-occupied-p...

Fascists brought to you by our Iranian want-a-be bendovers here.  They rape/kill/massacare/assassinate defenseless women and children in the name of Zionism and Jeudaism.

How "brave" ?.

 

;-)

 


Mola Nasredeen

You're at the wrong blog aren't you?

by Mola Nasredeen on

Why don't you start a blog about Mohsen's story? Isn't it called opportunism when you try to plug in your propaganda (regardless of what it is about) on a unrelated blog? Well I call it opportunism. This blog is about the crimes committed by Israel and condemned by the whole world except Israelis and their lackies.

So show some initiative and start your own blog or make comments related to the subject of this blog and the crimes committed against innocent humanitarians who were killed in cold blood by the Israelis. You can write about the the world's reaction to Israel because of it. And if you have nothing to say then say nothing and walk away. 


Fair

Mohsen's story- Death to Dictator

by Fair on

//www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookrevie...

The story of Mohsen, who was arrested, tortured, beaten and raped for merely questioning the legitimacy of the election.

Fascism brought to you by Hezbollah, Inc.

 


Fair

Amnesty International on the fascist regime in Iran

by Fair on

//www.amnesty.org/en/region/iran

 

Fascists brought to you by Hezbollah.  They rape their opponents in the name of Allah.

How "brave".

 

 


Fair

Shirin Ebadi letter to UN Secretary General

by Fair on

summarizing just some of the gross human rights violations by one of the most  oppressive regimes in the world:

//rehendhi.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/iranun-op...

Yet some people here are so adamantly against condemning such a regime's abuses, to the point that they are offended even if someone just asks if they are willing to condemn these abuses.

It is clear which side has more credibility today in the 21st century.

 

-Fair


Everybody Loves Somebody Sometime

No food, no water, no nothing for the terrorist Gazans!

by Everybody Loves Somebody ... on

Israel should blockade Gaza and let no food in and let Gazans start cannibalism...


Fair

Fascist Hezbollah Chicken Little

by Fair on

Your handlers are the ones who run Evin and Kahrizak, not me.

Your ilk imprison reporters, turning our country into the world's largest prison for reporters, not me.

Your masters rape girls and execute them without trial for peacefully protesting against the regime, not me.

Hezbollah and its kronies execute people for "fighting with God", not me.

It is clear who the fascist is, and who the liar is.

By the way, chicken little, I have yet to hear you stand up one iota for the human rights of Iranian citizens.  Are you willing to do so?

No, because you care only about the rights of one group of people, not of humanity.

In other words, you are a fascist.

Happy clucking:)

 


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I love it

by IranMilitaryForum.net on

The tactic of regime supporters everywhere is the same: attack the
messenger, pretend there is no  wrongdoing, and point to other
countries' misdeeds.


In other words, fascism.

 

LOL! I love it, you just described how you and your ilks behave here. Next time, take a good look into the mirror and you'll see how well you fit the very description above!!!

;-)

 

 

 


Mola Nasredeen

Israel announced it would allow potato chips, cookies, spices

by Mola Nasredeen on

What a joke? Israeli treatment of the natives is worse than any other regime in the modern world. Now people of Gaza can eat potato chips and cookies! Shame on Zionists and their supporters who try to stop any criticism of this evil regime.

Meanwhile President Barack Obama called on Wednesday for sharply limiting Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip in the wake of the botched Israeli naval raid that's straining U.S. and Israeli relations with allies around the world, and the White House announced a $400 million aid package for Gaza and the West Bank. He must be an IRI agent too!

//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100609/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_mideast


Fair

Crimes against Iranian people

by Fair on

Some here evidently are very upset that a person actually dares ask whether or not Islamic Rapist government's crimes against innocent Iranians should even be condemned.

In the meantime, here is what happens to those who actually dare to criticize the regime peacefully inside Iran in the press:

//en.rsf.org/iran-using-skilfully-devised-str...

 

The tactic of regime supporters everywhere is the same: attack the messenger, pretend there is no  wrongdoing, and point to other countries' misdeeds.

In other words, fascism.

 

-Fair

 


Fair

You are in pain

by Fair on

I can tell.  So much discomfort caused by such a simple question, your behind is burning really bad.

But here is some good news- there is a solution.  You can insert your behind in a bathtub full of cold water:)

Of course, the alternative is to continue coming here and making a fool of yourself as you so effortlessly have been doing.  The one thing you are skillful at:)

Have fun either way, it doesn't bother me one bit.

 

 


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Too Bad

by Doctor X on

Keep Insisting that night is day??... and i am the one who needs English lessons? LOL Translating from persian to english is not equivalent of writing in real english.

A simple question? LOL More Like it ain't your buisness to know. Why do you have to repeat things over and over? Yes . Of course in the world of your own illusions. You have touched a nerve with pretty much everyone. Dreamin on I c. LOL

That is right. I do Keep walking into it and Keep on coming out, making you even more embarrassed, and at loss for words.

Takes a Lunetic to know a lunetic. SO again, If i am crazy so are you. LOOOL.

Past your bedtime now. Beat it.


Fair

The poor fake doctor stuck

by Fair on

in denial:

"It WAS a damn good evidence,"

LOL!!  Keep insisting that night is day as much as you want, just proves your desperation more and more.  Like I said, evidence indeed- of your lack of literacy and mental capacity:)

All this fuss over a simple question, obviously I have touched a nerve in your primitive nervous system:)

Go on, keep walking into it again and again and see how much "pride" you have- problem is, you are the only one who takes pride in your lunacy!

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Fair. Save your integrity while you can

by Doctor X on

You can believe in this childish Tit-for-Tat game of I am right and you are wrong all you want to.

I am not desparate at all. You are the one who reeks of that desparation when you repeat that same question in every single one of your posts. Think (i know it is not something you do quite often) about it.

I did not Ignore any facts. I made it really simple for you to see them. yet you keep insisting on not doing so and choose to remain ignorant.

Denial of my literacy... here you again trying to intertwine and mix issues up. Give it up.

It WAS a damn good evidence, I know because it makes your squirm like a wounded bear. yup. you know it.

I will Go on and I WILL provide even more evidence.  I might be tripping over myself, But you have fallen down flat on your face. and Like I said, I will walk into it again and again , and emerge out of it with my pride intact and leave you squirming.

 


Fair

I can tell it hurts

by Fair on

you to be wrong, like I said you are not man enough to take responsibility for your mistake. 

"quotation marks or not, that was what you intended  "

How desperate must you be to make your point?  Desperate enough to
completely ignore facts - the quotation marks and what they mean.  Denial of
your own illiteracy again, a truly sad state of affairs for you.

"It was a damn good evidence and no matter how many times your blabber
about this quotations nonsense , as i said would not change the facts.
So keep on  buzzing
. "

Indeed it was "damn good evidence"- of your lack of literacy and mental capacity!

Now go ahead- keep providing such "damn good evidence" and have fun tripping over yourself:)  Like I said, you walked straight into this one yourself.

-Fair

 


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I know. You must be enjoying it in your life

by Doctor X on

Glad you are being transparent for once in your life.  

Does not change the fact one bit,. quotation marks or not, that was what you intended and you proved it by asking the question so many times. Quit playing this game with yourself.

Of course the only thing worse than illiteracy is self denial that you are illiterate.  Your problem is a serious one, you may be beyond help.

As i am sure you are experiencing it with yourself in your daily life. No one could have said better than you. LOL

It was a damn good evidence and no matter how many times your blabber about this quotations nonsense , as i said would not change the facts. So keep on  buzzing.

How am i protecting anything By not answering a nonsensical question? Your insistence on connecting everything with the support for a political entity leaves no doubt in anyone's mind, that since you are out of ammunition, you don't anything to prove or say. You keep on pushing this one thing on and on.

Interesting that I am being the one being lableled as the one who is riled up while all the "you are pathetic" You are A hyporcrite, came from you. Oh that is right, Another denial on your part that those are terms that indicate utter respect and politeness.

LOL. Your point? You did not have no points to be provem Stop taking yourself too seriously. I may deserve a darwin award, But you have beaten me in receiveing numerous ones already.

Walking straight into situations where I am facing Intellectually challenged individuals disguised as Freedom lovers and coming out of it leaving them sounding like a broken record is what i do .


Fair

Literacy is a good thing

by Fair on

If you had it, you would notice that I put "demanding" in quotes.  i.e. It was your word not mine. 

Of course the only thing worse than illiteracy is self denial that you are illiterate.  Your problem is a serious one, you may be beyond help.

So much for your "evidence" (notice the quotes again!). 

The only "evidence" you have provided is for your sheer insanity. It is amazing how you get all riled up over such a simple question.  Anything at all to protect the Islamic rapist republic!  

Once again, you have done wonders to help prove my point, and definitely deserve a Darwin award.  You walked straight into this one and have no one to blame but yourself.

 

-Fair

 


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Here it it is ONE more time

by Doctor X on

Here it is Fair. Loud and clear

by Doctor X on

All Fair is demanding IS?

 you want democratization of this country, the first step is to come to terms with our history and be honest with ourselves.  All I am "demanding" is honesty.  As you can see, all that is coming back is endless hypocrisy and personal attacks.

Are you still not demanding anything????????????????


There is your evidence. IN yOUR Face.  Now go on and deny this one too. You seem to have a quite bit of an interest in "long objects" don't you? I mean you can not stop thinking about a foot being in the mouth... I wonder what that says about you.

I am actually taking a class. So i will wait until you will also get your skills tuned, so that then we can have a good conversation.

You have a reputation for lying and denying, so i am just gonna wrap this up here, Unless you insist on being the one who wants to have the last word, in which case, Sure i will let you have it. Gonah dari.

 


Mola Nasredeen

Americans are dying by the criminal regime of Israel and the

by Mola Nasredeen on

centers of power in the United States defend the Israeli action on high sea.

1. The San Francisco Bay area photojournalist was seriously injured when he was struck in the forehead with a tear gas canister while covering a pro-Palestinian demonstration in the West Bank. After undergoing 15 months of surgeries and rehabilitation for traumatic brain injuries, he returned to his parents' house in Grass Valley on Wednesday, two days after nine activists were killed during a raid by Israeli naval commandos on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla. //news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100608/ap_on_re_us/us_israel_american_wounded

2. Furkan Dogan, 19 was killed in cold blood execution style. //abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/american-killed-gaza-aid-flotilla/story?id=10814848

3. Rachel Corrie was run over by the Israeli boldozer protecting a Palistinian home from demolition. The last ship was named after her.

4. College Student Emily Henochowicz, 21, has lost her left eye after being shot in the face by an Israeli Tear-gas canister during a Protest against the Flotilla assault in the occupied West Bank. A talented visual artist whose recent work has been inspired by her experiences in Israel and the Occupied Territories, Emily also suffered considerable facial damage including fractures to the bone around the eye-socket, cheek and jaw.


Fair

More desperation by the fake Doctor

by Fair on

You provided no evidence of me ever lying, it is there very clearly for all readers to see.  So yes, your foot is in the right place, deep inside your mouth, and you are not man enough to take it out.

Look, if you lack basic English comprehension and writing skills, it is not my problem.  Go take a class.

I make no rules, I just express my opinion which is a foreign concept to Islamic rapist republic and those who go through such great lengths to protect it, as well as those who are so offended by people who question them.

So the more you huff and puff and, the more you exhibit desperation and ridicule yourself and prove my point.

Seek help, it exists if you don't wait until it is too late:)

 

-Fair


Onlyiran

Let's see if there will be any comments

by Onlyiran on

about the 13 Iranians who were just executed in Iran.  Here's the link: 

 //www.payvand.com/news/10/jun/1055.html

 

Now, for our PCB (Palestine Chest Beater) friends who are also bad at math, this is 4 more than the Turks who died on the Gaza bound ship. Of course, there are no blogs, comments, videos, etc. on this bit of inconvenient news.


Disenchanted

Ok Arthemis this is a bit more civilized!

by Disenchanted on

 

    It's often said one needs a big heart to love everyone. So can be said of hatred. I think it's possible to hate all the evil in the world with one BIG HEART! :-)

    I just can't see why we can not be evolved enough to oppose oppression and aggression no matter where it happens or who perpetrate it?!


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Fair

by Doctor X on

This is precisely how your "method" and tactic has been all along. Deny and deny and when get a chance deny even more but at the same time Pile up accusations and fire them against everyone.

I did not accuse you of lying, You actually Lied. I provided the evidence for you. You so mind-numbingly and casually chose to ignore it and continue on with your non-ending line of questioning.

I am not MAN enough to admit it? and You are? look at how you LIE and fabricate things . Is this what a REAL man does?

My foot is in the right place, However, This is more than i can say for you. A liar should never talk about the concept of responsibility to others. Cowardice is your strong suit, Ask around and you will be surprised.

Your Made up and rediculous Rules are for the Birdies Buddy. You go outside and on the street and call the first man or woman who walks by you Hypocrite and / or pathetic and see if they throw at you this BS definition of Curse and expletives and more importantly if they will "look it up", at you. If nobody decided to teach you a lesson so you will never ever be a bad boy and call people those names, then and ONLY THEN i will admit that you are right. Oh, and in case if there is a bloody nose on ya I want pictures.

No No. I do not have to even lift a finger to belittle you. That is not even my goal here. heck. I am not You. Puleese. Your words and your lines have already earned you that name so deservedly. Hands down. It is a game no one can beat you in, Tried and Proven.

I know you are Used to low lives AND NOT LIFES. by the way:) With no standards or the capacity to understand, After all You'd have to live with your own self. I hear ya. that is a much too heavy an ordeal to bear. dude. How do you do that?

Ha! There goes another Insult actually this is number two. (low life being #1 in case you are not keeping score)  The diagnosis is in and i am Insane.  But you know what? It only takes an insane person to pick another one out. So guess what. If i am crazy so are you. so take that, put it on a piece of pita bread, roll it up, and eat it for dinner.

One more thing Mr. "i only want honesty " ( YEAH RIGHT LOL)In a civilized society people do not SHOP for doctors. They make calls to certain institutions or clinics and Arrange for appointments. Unless of course you have been hanging out in Ghettos.

Ciao there Buddy. talk to you soon. Don't be hater. We need Roshanfakoor Leaders like you.


Fair

Seek help from a REAL doctor

by Fair on

Because you are in severe need of it.  So much offence taken at a simple question! Speaks massive volumes.

First you accuse me of lying when I did not. You DID miss the quotes and are not man enough to admit it.

So rather than take your foot out of your mouth, you just keep inserting it deeper in your mouth.  You are too coward to take responsibility for your mistake.

And since obviously you did not know,  profanity is the use of expletives and curse words (look it up), of which "hypocrite" and "pathetic" are not.  Of course, being the coward prick that you are, you will not admit that you were wrong.  You will do anything to belittle me, making yourself even more of a prick.

That is ok, I am used to low lifes here who cannot even follow the most basic standards of fairness.  

Congratulations, you have exposed your own complete insanity  "loud and clear"!  Darwin wins again.

Happy doctor shopping.  

 

-Fair

 

 


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Ohhhhh

by Doctor X on

So that is how things work in your world? You make up the rules as you go along. What pleases you is what counts and Only what YOU consider as profanity is actually and indeed is profanity and ohh that thing about the citing the word in quotes. Right, Man. How could i have missed that?? LOL jamesh kon dadash.

So no, I am not demanding anything.... YES you are.:)

  But you are being illogical and trying to twist my very simple question .. IN what specific manner?? please elaborate. No more chakhan and BSIng please.

(which you don't seem to like very much) into something bad to make it invalid. ... Dead wrong there sherlock. Keep your assumptions in your pocket.

PS. The biggest Blunder for you is that YOu never asked me a question so there really is nothing to uncomfortable about, is there?

cause the only thing "loud and clear" here is your severe discomfort with this very simple question...

 How many more times are you gonna repeat that? LOL You have not seen my real discomfort. Your head seems to be spinning by repeating this question, have mercy on yourself.

You say a personal attack is not warranted, and then you say:

"THE REASON that is happening is because you are voicing very very
Illogical and totally Mundane demands and basically being a prick. What
do you expect in return?"

Now good Doctor, who is the real PRICK here?

SO? what the hell is your point here? Ohhh even that qualifies to you as a personal attack na? ziadi hassasi to. This still does not WARRANT anything mashti azadi khah, It only EXPLAINS why it happens, IF IT HAPPENS. Oftad ya hanooz kaje?

Thanks for the compliment But i am not a real doctor:)

The answer to Your question is : It still is YOU.

Don't drink and Type at the same time.


Fair

Doctor X

by Fair on

First of all, if you read a little bit before jumping at me, you may notice I said "demanding" in quotes.  That is your word not mine.

Second of all,  hypocrite and pathetic are not profanities.

So no, I am not demanding anything.  But you are being illogical and trying to twist my very simple question (which you don't seem to like very much) into something bad to make it invalid.

But it is just a simple question, that is all.

Why are you so uncomfortable with it?

Because the only thing "loud and clear" here is your severe discomfort with this very simple question...

 

You say a personal attack is not warranted, and then you say:

"THE REASON that is happening is because you are voicing very very
Illogical and totally Mundane demands and basically being a prick. What
do you expect in return?"

which is basically justifying the personal attacks on me.

Now good Doctor, who is the real PRICK here?

 

-Fair

 


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Here it is Fair. Loud and clear

by Doctor X on

All Fair is demanding IS?

 you want democratization of this country, the first step is to come to terms with our history and be honest with ourselves.  All I am "demanding" is honesty.  As you can see, all that is coming back is endless hypocrisy and personal attacks.

Are you still not demanding anything????????????????