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: A nonymous

Good boy!

Your Highness-ness, You

Your Highness-ness,
You honor us.
Yours,
most respectfully

: A nonymous

Can you repeat that?

correction on the typos (his

correction on the typos (his highness-ness uttereth....)

His higness-ness utereth

His higness-ness utereth "Can you repeat that?"
Thank you for taking from your most golden time to make such a most valuable comment.
Yours,
most respectfully

Irony

Dear Mr. Madadi, stop falttering yourself! You should be happy that there are poeple who take the time to read your "work" (pro-Israel, anti-Palistinian diatribes), let alone make comments about it! If it wasn't for Iranian.com, you would not even find a piece of bathroom tissue to write on.

Isn't it Ironic that the one with least amount of contribution possesses the biggest ego?!

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Fuck this!

Please blurb something good.

my opinion through a poem by Omran Salehi

I have nothing else to say than this poem by Omran Salahi:

همه کمبود محبت دارند
همه حتی آن شن، آن کشتی، آن دریا

شن در اندیشهء پاهایی ست
که موافق باشند
در جهت های مخالف با هم

بادبان
در دل پارهء خود حسرت قایق دارد
قایق سرگردان
حسرت باد موافق دارد

موج دریا با خود می گوید
گر نباشد کشتی
چه کسی می فهمد
من تلاطم دارم

همه کمبود محبت دارند
همه حتی این شعر
که دلش می خواهد مستعمان کف بزنند
و اگر امکان داشت
دنبک و دف بزنند

من دلم میخواهد راه خودم را بروم
بر خلاف جهت و سمت فلش
این میان اما شعر
بی خیالش، وللش!

To "a nonymous"

Can you repeat that?

Sasha, We all have to be

Sasha, We all have to be very grateful for the abundance of highness-nesses all over the world. We sure are blessed with them being present in every village, town, city and country everywhere (presence, gauranteed), and in every century too. Ain't that grand? Imagine what a world it could be without their presence? (no wars, no hatred, no ....., wouldn't it be boring? so here's my friendly suggestion to you, be grateful). A nonymous

Sanaz and Anoymous: Hilarious and Endearing

 I must say you are hilarious and endearing with your comments eventhough I don't always agree with you both. Yes, expressing your views, thoughts and even your extreme sarcasm.

Natalia (real name)

Sanaz, I'm taken aback (and

Sanaz,

I'm taken aback (and somewhat dissapointed), here I am expressing my very serious and deepest appreciation for his highness-ness, and you consider it hilarious. Please take the highness-nesses (plural) of the world seriously and pay the respect they so deeply deserve. A nonymous

to A nonymous

ur comments below are halarious...lol

Dear Ben please do recover your inspiration soon

 Dear Ben,

Do recover your inspiration soon as I look forward to reading your articles or blogs and the comments left too.

Natalia (real name)

Reponse to "Look up Christianity"

Natalia,

That's a keen observation, that is correct, in the name of religion, many savage acts have been committed. However, Mohammadism is the only one that formulates and documents all it WONDERFUL !!! techings into a book in some foreign language and tells you this is directly from GOD, and that this is the last set indtructions from the Almighty, and that whoever attempts to change it, questions it or if born into a Moslem family, or any convert that decides to change their minds about this "Religion !!", is called a "Mortad" and should immeidately be executed if he/she persists on being a non-believer after having been a member of this "Religion/Cult". Furthermore, Mohammad claims the name warship of Allah as the only god was his idea, you ever wonder why his father's name was "Abd-Allah", which means warship is for Allah? Study about this archaic idealogy in depth before converting, don't be like the other 1.5 Billion unfortunate souls who were born into this evil cult. Many of those poor people don't have the luxury of setting themself free, because as I mentioned, attemting "Ertedad" could be grounds for execution. Oh, and one more thing, did you know Mohammad's favorite wife "Aiesheh" was 6 years old when this 54 year old profit of god married her and 9 when the marriage was consumated :Meaning when she was molested by this pedophile.

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Your highness-ness, While we

Your highness-ness,

While we the commoners truly appreciate your taking the time to educate us, I have to apologize on behalf of these ignorant natives (and of course, my ignorance also), for they seem to be be very slow in comprehending your valuable world-view and indoctrinations.

Your higness-ness,

Some non-believers in your wisdom and humanity may note the following, among other things, please ignore these vile non-humans. 1. He who himself is "perfect" can demand and ask for a perfect world and environment. It seems that perfection doesn't exist in this world (but then again, one can spin this one also). 2. On "Quality", didn't know extremist positions due to one's ignorance equates to "quality". Did your highness mean anti-Iranian mis-information and propoganda (and on a base of of racism)?

Yours,
most respectfully

Think about it like this...

when you have your own children, do you like others dressing them or doing all sorts of things to them wbout which you disagree? Don't mistake folks freedom of expression with anarchy! For so long as I write for this website I also desire to have a quality place for which to write. Okay, let's move on! It's not a big deal. This new system is far from perfect so the admins will probably find a way to fix it one way or the other. I may also recover my inspiration and start writing my usual 'rant' again ;)

Dear Ben so sorry and thank you for your hospitality :o)

 Ben,

So sorry that I inadvertidly changed the topic of this page but I have created a blog to move the Islam and Muslim debate to that page.

Thank you for your patience and understanding on this matter.

Best wishes

Natalia (real name)

Jamshid you are hilarious :o)

 Jamshid,

Hello! I think you need to go back and read your comments to me. You keep telling me what religion not to be. Is that not that treating me as if I am incapable of thought. :o)

No, there is no shortage of religion. Actually there is an over supply of religion. Seriously my mother had us be Catholic, Protestant, Pentecostal, Assemblies of God, Apostolic, Southern Baptist, Independent Baptists....................the list just goes on and on........I must note that they were not necessarily in that order. :o)

 Now, not all Muslim men are domineering. Some actually make very good husbands and fathers. I don't think you should over generalize. So you are agnostic. I wasn't sure if you were an athiest, agnostic or spiritual. You know in 1999 I almost became an agnostic but that is another story or blog.

May I point out that Islam and Muslim rule also brought about great intellectual enlightment.

By the way no one has my soul but God, regardless of religion. My life and soul belong to him. Always has and always will.

By the way I did create the blog we spoke of. I think it is time to return this page to Ben as he has been such a good sport and host.

You know I knew you were going to drag the Spaniards and the Muslims occupation of Spain so long ago. I just knew it. You forgot to say the Rock of Gibralto which I might have mispelled.

Jamshid, I will be waiting for you at the blog I created. You know how to find me. Talk to you later and I look forward to our continued debate on the subject. Eventually one of us will give but we shall see.................

Natalia (real name)

Re: Blog title

"Towards" Islam excludes those women that are already in there and therefore suffering most. But I can see that for you and others who are thinking about converting to Islam (god forbid) it should be "towards" since you are not there yet.

You asked about my religion. I am a recovered, enlightented, reborn Iranian and proud to be ex-moslem. There are many recovering ex-moslems like me on this site. I consider myself an agnostic which is the closest thing I found to reason.

Re: Natalia... Not so fast!

Wait just a minute! You say: "for someone (i.e. Jamshid) who advocates that Islam likes to control women and thinks they are weak minded  you sure do treat me that way..."???

I treated you that way? when? You got yourself a challenge now. I challenge you to find one, ONE, evidence I treated you that way!

"mageh din ghahti bood?" is in reference to your possible conversion to Islam. It means "was there a shortage of religion?"

Yes, I agree with your remarks about some of the Hispanic men and the way they treat their women. But there is one big difference between the domineering Hispanic man and its die-hard moslem counterpart. The hispanic man does not do it because he is "commanded" by God to do so. He does it based on his upbringing. That is a big difference Natalia. The other difference is that he won't ask you to cover yourself head to toe under a rag. Also, when was the last time he would let his cheating wife be stoned to death?

Die-hard Hispanic macho cholo 1 - Die-hard Moslem fanatic 0.

One more interesting note for you to think about. Have you ever wondered why among Christians, the Hispanic men tend to be more macho and abusive than in other Christian countries?

Could it be because they indirectly inherited that behavior from the Spaniards? I think it had a definite role in it. And then have you tought were did the spaniards inherited THEIR machoism??? Could it be that they inherited it from the cultural inflence that Islam left behind in Spain when it was under moslem rule???

Die-hard Hispanic macho cholo 2 - Die-hard Moslem fanatic 0.

P.S. I do admire your voluntary work at the women shelters. That is nice and it means you have a big heart, the more reason for me to save your soul from Islam.

Jamshid: Interesting.............but I do not think so......:o)

 Okay, Jamshid reality check. In my culture you don't tell a woman what to do unless you are married to her and last time I checked it was not the case. Ha! Ha! I think in Islam you also have to be married to the woman to boss her around. By the way the reality of it all even when I convert to Islam I will be a slightly modern version of it. Christianity has been too much a part of me and not to mention so has the US. Did I mention that I used to cover my head to attend church and prayer with my cousins in Mexico when I visited them. They are Apostolic. Some Pentecostals also expect women to dress conservatively and cover their heads like Muslims do. Only their head scarfs are not as long and can be made out of lace.

Funny you should mention a "woman's place " a Christian relative admonished me a couple of months ago about my place as a woman in society. She also called me unAmerican and unpatriotic because I don't see anything wrong with the majority of Muslims and Islam.

She told me I should also stop further academic studies and find me a husband. Not to forget that I am to be passive and lady like. I was speechless which is really hard to do to me......or so they tell me. She is an elder family member, what am I to say to her? Nothing...................nothing at all. You are not suppose to talk back to an older family member.

Okay the through Islam title sounds like they are just passing through to something better. How about towards Islam instead.   You know I did read a book called Daughters of another path by Carol L. Anway. In which women chose to convert to Islam.

Natalia (real name)

Jamshid: Now your turn

 So it is now your turn. What religion are you from? Perhaps you don't have one after all? What is your agenda?  You know for someone who advocates that Islam likes to control women and thinks they are weak minded  you sure do treat me that way. Just a thougth? :o) Time to reflect a little. Don't you think so?

You want to talk about a domineering culture then let's talk about the Hispanic one shall we. Which by the way was converted to Christianity in the most brutal way by the Spaniards and other Europeans in the name of saving their immortal souls. Tribes were wiped out by these so called saviors.

Now, in the traditional Hispanic culture which still tends to exist in the US but is really bad the deeper you go into Mexico and Latin American coutries the man is the head of the household and he makes all decisions. No one makes a move without his approval. He controls the finances and decides how the woman is to behave. In the worst case scenarios if the woman objects the man will strike her  where she stands. Did I mention he gets to have a mistress if he can afford it?

Anyway, how do I know it is still going on in the US? I volunteer at  a nonprofit organization that runs a couple of women's shelters. They try to help women who have endured abuse at the hands of their husband or boyfriend. Sadly, the majority of the women I see are Hispanics.

Jamshid, they are not Muslims and they are not married to Muslims. They are married to so called Christians. Don't even get me started on the abuse I saw towards women growing up in my Hispanic neighborhood.

Jamshid there will always be good and bad in any religion and culture. You cannot over generalize. I know there are good Christian men because I see it in my brother, brother-in-law and so on.

By the way what does "mageh din ghahti bood?" mean? Thank you for the translation,

Natalia (real name)

Re: old testament

I am not a bit surprised. Mohamad copied half of Quran from Toraat. I would never believe in a god that would permit its followers to commit atrocities. Islam and Torat are both full of such stories. There are other religions however, that would never advocate such immoral acts. Why don't you take a look at those instead?

mageh din ghahti bood?

Re: Rosie T.

Rosie: "what I've just said is complete total bullshit and at the same time completely true...."

???!!! What??!

Lady do you see what I mean when I say you are not making any sense? Whatever happened to you?!

Re: Natalia

That sounds like a good title. However, I would make it "A woman's journey through Islam" instead of "to Islam", in order to cover those women that are already "in" Islam.

By the way, my vote on the title overrides yours, since according to Islam you are a woman and I am a man. Also, according to Mohamad, or was it Ali?, you being a female, have a weak mind, and therefore should leave decision making to men like me.

Sorry Natalia, but if you are thinking of conversion, you might as well start getting a crash course in Islam...

P.S. Before marriage, moslem die-hards don't tell you how it's done (like I am telling you now), until it's too late. They tell you all these sweet things about Islam and how women's right is protected and how they are all respected like in no other religion, etc. Just like Khomeini did during the revolution. When Iranian women realized how he had deceived them, it was too late to do anything about it. The same with moslem die hards men. After the marriage, all those sweet talkings about the woman's "place" in Islam will be replaced with the real truth about the woman's "place" in Islam.

I say this because I have seen it numerous time with Iranian, Turk and Arab men.

Rosie T. : What have you been drinking? :o)

 Rosie,

Now you know I had to say it. :o) I could not help but tease you.  What is all this talk about your gender?

Actually the reason I would not wear a Burqa would be because, I would get claustrophobic. I cannot stand to have my face covered. I also cannot stand to wear something on my head for very long periods of time (like all day) so wearing a head scarf all the time will not work for me. It will make me slightly anxious. However, I can wear it for prayer, the Masjid and certain Islamic events.

Natalia (real name)

PS:  By the way I am a proud TEXAN. Yehaw!!!! Girl/Dude I live in the Bible belt. It seems like there is a church on every corner. Talk to you all later.