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While the Islamic Republic was shaping after the 1979 Revolution in Iran, Iranian students continued to resist the new dictatorship. The Islamic regime was initially cautious in its attempt to control the campuses.
Students were in control of the classroom, the physical space, and campus politics. Short after the revolution, students, employees, and professors could create democratic councils to administer their universities. Elections were held in which a majority of students rejected the IRI-dominated Islamic association.
The relatively democratic achievement was a thorn in the eye of any dictator. The newborn dictatorship in Iran could not tolerate this state of dual power.
On April 18, 1980, Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic Republic, in his Friday Prayer sermon, ordered a holy war (jihad) against the students. He accused the students of turning the campuses into “war rooms” against the Islamic state. After the prayers, armed gangs attacked three campuses. Within the next few days, the gangs wounded hundreds of students and killed at least 24. Students were driven off the campuses, and the government took over all the premises.
On April 19, 1980, the Islamic Republic of Iran launched the Cultural Revolution in Iran. It was the beginning of officially state violence to force islamisation of universities--and in the following years the whole Iranian culture.
The order to fire started with a fiery speech of President Banisadr, the first President of the IRI, following this speech; the universities in Tehran were assaulted by pro-regime students protected by pro-regime thugs.
The following decree issued by the Revolutionary Council on April 20, 1980, was meant to crush the achievements once for all:
1. Within three days, all political groups and related organisations in all universities, colleges and schools must close their offices. If they do not do so, the Revolutionary Council and all its members, including the President, will mobilise the people and go to the universities and destroy these centres of councils.
2. The universities and colleges must develop a plan to complete final examinations by June 4, 1980, and be closed from that day until the government is able to restructure the educational system based on a revolutionary Islamic philosophy and only will new students be admitted.
3. The universities must not hire any new staff.
Following this decree, in the next weeks, universities in Tehran, Shiraz, Mashhad, Rashtese, Bluchistan, Ahwaz, and Isfahan were attacked. Thousands were wounded, hundreds arrested, and more than fifty students were killed. Some of those arrested were later executed.
The universities were finally closed in June, 1980, and the purification process began. On each campus, an administrative body called the Holy Council of Reconstruction was created. Professors and employees, many with a long history of opposition to Shah’s dictatorship, were fired, forced to retire or refused their salaries. The scholarships of students abroad were revoked. According to statistics collected by Tehran Polytechnic, 40% of all professors were fired or forced to resign in the first year.
The Islamic “Holy” Councils were to immediately silence the campuses. Students not affiliated with the state run Islamic student associations were no longer allowed to form any organisations. Muslim student associations were given the mandate to spy on students. Academic freedom was completely abolished. Repression was so extensive that a student secular and democratic movement turned into clandestine or apolitical for the coming decades.
The assault on the universities was the beginning of an Islamic project baptised “the Cultural Revolution”. Khomeini appointed a Cultural Revolution Council to lead the project of integrating the universities into the Islamic state.
The reopened universities and colleges after two years became fully Islamic with medieval theological seminaries, mosques, gender discrimination, and imposed Islamic hijab. Rules were imposed to thwart any political activity of non-Islamic groups within the campus. New students were admitted only if a “local investigation” could prove that they were loyal to Islam and the Islamic regime.
Islamic student associations were in a swift growth mushroomed in the country’s universities. These bearded and veiled students not only supported the Cultural Revolution, but were all fanatically attached to the most aggressive and undemocratic values of militant Islam and its new founder, Khomeini. No independent, democratic, and secular group was tolerated on the campus anymore. Unprecedented political control over universities, the suppression or restriction of non Muslims’ students, more gender segregation, forced veil, crush of any secular attitude were the immediate measures to be taken on campuses.
Another consequence of the Cultural Revolution, which needed a two- year closure of Iranian universities, was the immigration waves of many professors and scientists left Iran to escape the Cultural Revolution and young Iranians hoping to enter universities in other countries.
Most Iranians don not voluntarily go to Islamic schools, colleges, and universities and since there is no one single free educational institution in Iran, many try to find a way to enter a university abroad.
Under the IRI, nobody is allowed to claim that students’ rights should override any religious and ideological considerations. Actually, the issue of whether Iranian students have the right to have modern and secular universities stands against the Islamic philosophy of IRI’s constitution.
The Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran considers educational institutions based on Islamic principles and norms. The constitution does not tolerate any modification in form and principle.
Educational system is of course exemplified by the nature of such an Islamic concept in which gender segregation remains its main characteristic. In other words, Iranian children from primary school are deprived from mixed-sex school and consequently a psychological development of their Oedipus Complex.
The long-term objective of the Cultural Revolution is to root out any aspect of non-Islamic culture from the society by introducing a greater portion of Arabo-islamisation in its place. It is to promote the existing Islamic educational system into a pure Islamic set of beliefs. What concerns the educational institutions; they should become all the relics of theocracy schools in Qom (Iranian saint city).
Based on this objective, the process included, among others, a whole change of materials, and books of higher education.-- it weakens the academic values of universities, especially in the fields of human sciences.
Although, the IRI uses experiences of cultural revolutions under other ideological dictatorships, but comparing Chinese and Iranian Cultural Revolutions through similarities of violence in process between the two is conceptually wrong. The fundamental differences are in goals and orientation: while the Chinese one in 60th was an attempt to hasten a socialist society, the one in Iran is a regression to revaluate the norms and values of primitive clan society of Arabia in the époque of Muhammad, the Prophet.
Arabo-islamisation of Iranian culture is the ideological goal of the Cultural Revolution for the coming generations in Iran. It stipulates a violent and anti-Iranian process in which any non-Islamic components, including those of pre-Islamic Persian ones, must be rooted out. The process is in fact an negation of most Iranians’ national identity--the case which was once imposed by Muslim Arabs, when they occupied Iran about fourteen centuries ago.
The IRI’s constitution has implied this goal by saying, “since the language of the Koran and Islamic texts and teachings is Arabic, and since Persian literature is thoroughly permeated by this language, it must be taught after elementary level, in all classes of secondary school and in all areas of study.” Therefore, lesson of Arabic language and reading of the Koran will gain more compulsory character despite abhor of an increasing majority of students.
The Cultural Revolution was continued by in the following years under “the Supreme Cultural Revolution Council. It became the highest body for general islamisation of culture and education. Though, the body is not even stipulated in the Constitution, but was formed under the pressure of hardliners for more state control over student bodies, arbitrary dismissal of professors, and paving the path for further cultural revolutions.
Today’s student movement in Iran is another topic. In short, it seems a potential force with a vague and double characteristic, while it is only allowed to exist as long as it remains a relic of the IRI, at the same time, is influenced by the plight of Iranians under the plague of the same IRI.
All existing Islamic associations, from pro-Ahamadinejad Basiji students to “pro-reformists ”, have roots in various factions of the IRI. Today, three decades after the plague of the IRI, an increasing majority of Iranian students are being conscious of realities and are looking for an independent, democratic and secular student movement.
Although, in the past years, some members of Muslim student associations, by trying to demand reforms, became less docile sheep of the IRI’s cattle, and some of them were brutally punished, an independent, secular, and democratic student movement does not or cannot officially exist under the totalitarian IRI.
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Patriotism is only fake when
by maroon (not verified) on Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:15 PM PDTPatriotism is only fake when abused to serve hidden agenda.
Mullahs are not sacred and God will judge all for what we did. Arrogance, biggetry and racism makes us to brand and hate some people or idealogy. The outcome is usually indiscriminate bashing and genocide.......
Grow up and love all humanity.
Peace to all;
the article is simply
by Arzang (not verified) on Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:54 PM PDTthe article is simply another language, a language of truth and ojectivity. It shows how simply people can be aware of bigotty, fanatism, social and political impositions on people. What is wrong if all discuss the problems without nonesens bilateral accusations
To Curious Joe
by javaane emrikaai (not verified) on Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:19 PM PDT"As a 21st century educated person, you probably know that the whole concept of “God” is nothing but a figment of human imagination."
That's a ridiculously huge assumption you're making there. More than 2/3 of the world's human population subscribes to some sort of belief in a supreme deity and you simply dismiss it as a "figment of the human imagination"? I think you are so certain in what you believe in - which is the outdated nature of older ideologies and the incorrect thinking of those who believe in them - that you don't even question your own beliefs.
For example, what makes Richard Dawkins' books any better than Holy Scripture? Both were written - regardless of their authors - for a certain audience. The Quran was written in a language (I don't just mean Arabic, I mean the WAY it was written...or sent down) that was best understood to the people of that time. Dawkins does his best to write for an audience of this time: the self-certain, "21st-century educated person."
Have you ever read Georg Henrik von Wright's The Myth of Progress (Forgive me if I sound like a condescending prick but you started it.)? Although my explanation won't do justice to his work, here goes: it more or less questions the "21st-century educated person"'s self-assuredness in his infinite wisdom granted by material technological "superiority" to older generations. It questions if this so-called "progress" is, in fact, progress.
My point being that you thinking you're so smart; well, you're not. And the same goes for me, but, at least, I try to know it. Yeh kam khaaki baash.
I don't agree with IRI's interpretation of Islam one bit. And I don't try to justify all the things that have been carried out in the name of Islam or any other religion or ideology throughout history, particularly because those actions are almost always contradictory to the vast majority of that religion/ideology's preaching.
What's important, as I understand it, is what the religion/ideology is essential advocating and it's almost always the same: a better way of living. And most religions and ideologies focus on peace, justice, understanding, forgiveness, humility, compassion, etc.
People - myself included - get so caught up in their attachments to the particularly ideology to which they subscribe that they forget the essential message and reason for that ideology which, as I see it, is the main reason for so much conflict people have had with one another.
We are all brothers and sisters (Whether you want to take that as we all came from Adam and Eve or apes is up to you). Let's not fight so much over petty differences and instead look to the vast similarities we share.
What I'm really trying to get at is don't we all love anar?
Curious joe
by One view (not verified) on Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:26 AM PDTHey, I agree with most of what you said, with a few exceptions: (1) Khoda is still the source of morality for lots of people; on the other hand he has been also a source of strength and manipulation by all sorts of oppressors, including mullas. Maybe we should rename him to private god to exclude him from being a tool of oppression and manipulation. (2) Meehan still matters as we are still divided into nations, so we need to keep meehan as a source of unity, at least among people of our nation. (3) Democracy has also been a source of deception -- need I give examples? -- you vote for someone, and he does not do a damn thing for you until the next person replaces him. He only manipulates people and does whatever he and his buddies want.
So, how about: (God -- in parentheses), Meehan, Human Rights and Freedom. Or some variation of it!
Finding a Replacement for “Khoda, Shah, Meehan”
by Curious Joe on Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:46 AM PDTThe old Reza Shah died in 1944. That was 63 years ago. Those who grew up during his reign are now in their 80s. That generation grew up under the motto “Khoda, Shah, Meehan”, which translates into “God, the King, and the Homeland”. We are now in 2007. Does the old motto still apply?
First of all, let’s look at the “God/Allah/Khoda” business. As a 21st century educated person, you probably know that the whole concept of “God” is nothing but a figment of human imagination. Sure, one looks at a painting, a piece of sculpture or a movie, and one concludes that there must be an artist, a producer, or a “creator” behind this piece of art. But does that mean that we look at the planet earth and the stars/universe, and we should conclude that there must be a creator, a producer, or a “an intelligent designer” behind it? Please explain, logically, exactly why/how you deduce the latter from the former. Could you put your response within the context of the 2006 book “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins, as opposed to over1,500 years old Bible, Torah or Qoran?
So much for the Khoda/Allah bit. Let’s get to the second part of the motto: namely “The Shah”, or the current version of clerics/Caliphs. Well, after the tyranny of the Shah/Ayatollahs and their SAVAK/SAMAVA using the same torture chambers of Evin Prison, and their diversion of the oil revenues into the their “Foundations/Bonyads”, no-one in her/his right mind wants another Shah/Ayatollah to hold any supreme power.
OK. With Khoda/God and Shah/Caliphs down the tube, we finally reach Meehan. It appears that millions of Iranians have already left Meehan because of the tyranny and Islamic restrictions imposed down their throat. Sure, we still read/enjoy Persian poetry, and love to chit-chat/exchange jokes in Farsi, and have Chelo-Kabaabs -- but let’s face it, we can do all of these things in Tehrangeles, in London, in Paris, in Canada, or elsewhere out of Iran. Do we really need Meehan to maintain/practice the good things about the Persian culture in our lives?
The question now is: what 3 words we need today to replace the useless old adage of “Khoda, Shah, Meehan”? Would “Imam Hussein, Imam Hassan, and Imam Khomeini” do?
How about “Freedom. Democracy and Human Rights”?
Fake Patrionism?
by Face the Fact (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 09:13 PM PDTHow come patriotism is fake, but mulla's religion is not? Any time anyone talks about being pro iran and iranians only (all of them), then he is accused of racism and divisiveness. What have we got from non-racist and non-divisive mullas. I tell you what: they killed all that they did not like. Maybe you should ask minorities of iran about the so-called non-divisive non-racist mullas' favors. And God belongs to everyone to view him as he pleases and as he undestands him, not mullas.
Iran focus what a news source - who are these people!!
by maroon (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 09:01 PM PDTHere's what they are:
About Iran Focus
Iran Focus is a non-profit news service provider that focuses on events in Iran, Iraq and the Middle East. With a network of specialists and analysts of the region and correspondents and reporters in several countries, Iran Focus is able to provide fast and reliable news and analysis on the political, social and economic situation in the region.
Iran Focus is dedicated to providing comprehensive, up-to-date information and news on the Persian Gulf region in a fair and balanced manner. We provide a wide array of daily news, weekly and special feature packages, commentary, news analysis, and investigative reporting. Through editorial initiatives and access to intelligence sources, our stories offer an insight into the complex situation in the Persian Gulf region that is indispensable to scholars, journalists, politicians, business people and all those interested in this sensitive part of the world.
Be roobahe goftan shahedet
by poorSouls (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 08:55 PM PDTBe roobahe goftan shahedet kieh goft domam!
I doubt that this is the issue of majority of iranians in iran.
peace to everyone;
Hey poor whatevver
by PoorSouls (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 08:49 PM PDTYou retards say Mullahs are backward. You're even worse. DO you think civil societies and modern world will buy your nonsense racism? Give me a beak! I'm sure you know who promotes racism and fake patriotism in Iranians. The whole point is to divide iranians and muslims. Good luck with that. It's so easy to recognize the desperation.
Real Iranians are not you and me. They are the ones who live the culture, and defend the country from within. They're not the 5th column (few peo-westen bunch inside Iran). You and me enjoy life in the west.......I suggest at least learn something from the society you live in and have some tolerance.
I suggest you don't mess with God. One must really be blinded by hatred and arrogance to attack other people while not knowing who they are. You're just corrupting your own sould. Live and love humanity, forget about politics. Don't be a number, be someone who are at peace within.
peace;
Re: Midwesty
by jamshid on Fri Oct 26, 2007 03:43 PM PDTThank you for your reply.
As far as the first questions, not being a valid comparision, I agree. But it was meant more of a thought exercise. The answer to that question is a solid NO. The (majority) of Iranians would not, or at least should not, accept the invading Americans with "open arms."
In regards to question#2, we are in agreement.
Question#3: I disagree. I think it will be nearly impossible to fight the invading Arab armies "to the last drop of blood" and yet at the same time submit to their Islam. I simply believe that the humand mind cannot work that way.
One other disagreement: You said: "The beauty of Islam is that God, if there is any, sent his religion amongst the worst of the worst and made them the best of the best for a while." I think they did not become the best of the best at any time, in fact they were far from being the best of the best. They did improved and became somewhat more civilized than before Mohamad, but that is all.
Garbage of humanity
by Sasan7 (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 02:34 PM PDTFucking Islam and Akhoonds are the garbage of humanity
//www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?...
To: Poor Whatever (laughing ...)
by someone (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:57 PM PDTIt is my privilege blogging with you. I specially like to talk to the hamvatans who visit Iran frequently, because I don’t get a chance to visit as often as I would like to. Regarding your points (youth struggle ..), again I agree with you and I have seen that first hand myself. Having said that, as you may know Iran needs some $200 billion investment just in its oil industry and for quit sometime IRI has been inviting foreign companies to do just that. Unfortunately, time and time again US has sabotaged that. I have no problem if US says IRI is bad and stops dealing with it, my problem is that US sabotages companies from other countries who want to participate (Money, a US magazine had a report about this sometime back). Many (albeit not all) of Iran’s economic issues and their social impacts are direct result of these pressures.
The objective is to smash Iran, fair or not fair, through creating civil wars, religious wars, … and sabotage of this sort (Read Seymour Hersh’ articles- he is one of the most respected US reporters). To secure US’ dominance for the next decade (as stated in Money, etc.) likes of Chenney, not the Iranians should decide whether India or China can get Iran’s raw material and at what price.
Reject the invitation...
by Invited? (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:02 PM PDTThe rest of your argument is proved without doubt when you said: "People overthrew the Sassanids and invited Umar Khataab into Ancient Persia". Sounds like what Brezhnev said few years back about soviets in Afghanistan: "We are in Afghanistan at the invitation of people of Afghanistan". The two invitations are almost exactly the same, but who did copy who, I wonder. Okay, I did not know that!!! Thanks for refreshing my history.
To: someone
by Poor whatever (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:31 AM PDTThank you for NOT being vulgar. I do not disagree with you, but we have paid a heavy heavy price for their achievements (minimal for 28 years of government and 1/2 trillion dollars of oil income). Had they been more just towards middle and lower class iranians, had they not mismanaged the rest of the country's affairs so badly, I would be praising them here as would a lot of others. I am in iran very often, and I cannot bear seeing our youth struggle so much on a day to day basis, seeing them doing nothing but blowing water pipes in cafe's in the middle of a working day.
RE: Laughing at Iranians
by someone (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:04 AM PDTI am glad you are laughing, supposedly laughing adds 8 years to ones life. I agree with you about bad IRI human right records. Furthermore I believe that during past 28 years the gap between the reach and the poor has gotten very wide in Iran (middle class has shrunk) and has had many bad consequences. Having said all that I give credit to IRI in two areas, despite all the sanctions and pressures Iran has made progress in many areas (infrastructure, energy production, auto industry… etc). Also IRI has not allowed US to turn Iran into another Afghanistan, or Iraq.
As you may be aware many US politicians and analysts readily admit that they instigated and supported Saddam’s war against Iran. Even the main objective of capturing Iraq was to lay the foundation for capturing Iran and dominating the resources of the region (oil, and in case of Iran oil and raw nuclear material). As you know Iraq part did not go as planned, and also to its credit IRI has so far played the game well and has not allowed Bush et all to turn Iran into a nightmare for both Americans and Iranians.
The IRI has been busy
by Anonymous234 (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:48 AM PDTThe IRI has been busy re-writing the whole history of Iran full of lies and revisionist history.
Stop insulting Iranians
by Islam is poison for Iran (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:37 AM PDTTo ShahRokh Niavarani:
//www.sarafrazan.net/bahman%20jaazouyeh.htm
To the rude and vulgar person
by Poor whatever (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:33 AM PDTYou seem to be more upset with me since I insulted a dead non-iranian than with IR who has killed tens of thousands of iranians. And for your information sir, I was not talking about prophet or any of his immediate descendents, as I am part of what you called the majority - i was talking about a more recent history and more recent imports. Your vulgarity is a sign of who pro-IR's are, and their only instruments, force and vulgarity.
Invited?
by Wow wow (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 09:59 AM PDTWow: "People overthrew the Sassanids and invited Umar Khataab into Ancient Persia". That is new and pretty, yet funny and sad. invited the same way that they invited Mongols and Tatars?
Wrong again
by Poor whatever (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 09:50 AM PDTI am neither a racist nor anti-islam in ANY way. I am against USING islam as an instrument of oppression and deceit. And the other guy's rudeness does not make him right either, it just proves my point. I do care about iranian arabs, they should be treated as equals, with dignity and respect. Which the IR has not been doing BTW. I am against treating iranians (arabs included) with oppression. As for proof, instead of slogans, how about this one: //www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?...
or this one: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEGC-Bv6Zis
or ....
RE: laughing at iranians
by someone (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 09:27 AM PDTDo you have any substance to backup your slogans? Slogans, specially empty ones are just boring.
More anti-Iranian Bullshit!
by ShahRokh Niavarani (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 09:17 AM PDTIranians are 99% Muslim. And of that percentage 98% are Shia Muslims. Stop calling the Iranian religion an "Arab thing". There are Arab Iranians in the Khuzestan province. Either you are racist or just plain stupid. People overthrew the Sassanids and invited Umar Khataab into Ancient Persia because they were tired of the Zoroastrian religion. The grandson of the Prophet Muhammad was the last princess from the Sassanid dynasty! Zayn Al-Abedeen was the 1/2 Iranian prince and Imam. So drop dead with your racist statement.
laughing at iranians
by Poor whatever (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 08:22 AM PDTPro-mullas never reason, they just love IR, either because of an empty belief or because of promise of a good after-life, delivered by representatives of their deceptive god and his murderous caliphs and ayatollahs. Reminds me of poem by Khayyam, that when you wake up, the one that you prayed to may not be the truth. One must be truly blind to go to iran and not see what IR brought us in 28 years. And if you are blind, then there is nothing to argue about. Iran, that piece of land, only belongs to iranians - those who are iranian by heart and souls, and by religion and thought. Those who do not pray to anyone except iran, those who promise nothing but prosperity for living iranians while living, those who do not kill ANY iranian, those who do not let our children suffer while filling up their pockets. Anyone who is not iranian by heart and soul, by essence and religion should and will be forced to leave and go to their beloved arabs, dead or alive. Now who is iranian, the godly thieves and murderers in IR or those who love nothing but iran, nothing but anything that is totally iranian. Iran will survive. It survived Macedonians and Arabs, and Mongols and Tatars, and will survive Mullas and Mulla worshippers. Payandeh Iran.
Rashidian is a fraud .....
by fraud_nabashid (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 06:54 AM PDTThis idiot belongs to the Israeli agency and makes up stories to make them feel good (and make money!)
Thanks
by Fariborz (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 05:30 AM PDTThanks Jahanshah for your knowledgable article.
I laugh so hard seeing that some desperate souls trying to bash
by Poorsouls (not verified) on Fri Oct 26, 2007 01:10 AM PDTanything IRI does or believe just to rid of their hatred. Come on guys, have mercy on yourself! That way you make fools out of yourselves.
Truly god has made his enemies out of fools!
If you don't believe me just read what you write.
Peace
The truth
by face the fact (not verified) on Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:33 PM PDTThe truth is that I.R. destroyed our country in less than 30 years. There has been no iranian regime in 2500 years that has killed as many innocent iranians as I.R. did. Only alexader, arab invaders, changiz, and tatar may have killed any number close to I.R. For those that have visited iran lately, it is very sad to see that our educated youth are in a state of shock, cruising the streets with no job, and no freedom. Our beautiful teenage and preteen boys and girls sell flowers on the street for equivalent of 50 cents, or beg you to let them clean your windshield for 10 cents, or weigh you for 5 cents on the street corner. The empty love of religion blinded many as you see them attack anything iranian here, just like mullas have been trying to do and force themselves upon our nation as the sole representitive of a murderous god, with the promise of sending all the fools to heaven with 72 virgins. I.R. destroyed my country right in front of us, that is the only thing that I am sure of as I have seen it in my life time right in front of my eyes. Now some continue worshiping dead arabs. I wish they all just pack up and go to their beloved dead arabs in najaf and karbala, or mecca and medina, and leave my country alone. May iran someday be only for those who do not worship anything but iran and iranian. Javid bad sarzamine moghaddase iran.
Re: Jamshid
by Midwesty on Thu Oct 25, 2007 09:57 PM PDTThanks for your reply, below find my answers:Question#1: In case of the above scenario, will the Iranians who are fed up with the IRI fight back against the invading Americans, or will they accept the Americans and their message of Christianity/Democracy with "open arms"? This is not a valid comparison: Americans are not brining a new religion. Bush is widely discredited while Mohammad (PUH) was known as Amin throughout the Arabian Peninsula. He was trusted and respected amongst all different factions of the Arab society at the time. This is a fact and been documented by many historians. However you are missing one major point, that as far as Mohammad (PUH) was alive he did not invade any country. His successors, mainly Omar and Osman did the major invasions. As we know Omar was an original Arab nationalist that used Islam as a tool to extend Arabian authority. What he did was not true to the origin of Islam as Quran and Mohammad always feared that would happen. Mohammad (PUH) knew that as soon he dies Arabs will go back to their backwards tradition mainly their “asabeyyat” or nationalism. There are many verses in Quran that warns Arabs of going back to their rotten traditions.Question#2: What will YOU (Midwesty) think of those who support the invading Americans and show them the know hows of conquering Iran easier, and then be placed by the victorious Americans in positions of wealth and power? I call them traitors. But again Iranians did not help Arabs but they just simply gave it in to them. They did not fight back as hard as they should have.Question#3: If you (Midwesty) were taken back in time to 1400 years ago during the heat of the Iran-Arab war, whose side would YOU take? The Iranians who were busy helping and accepting the invading Arabs with "open arms", or those Iranians that stood and fought against the invading Arabs?I might have had accepted Islam as a religion in 1400 years ago but no doubt I would have fought back against Arabs until my last drop of blood.Arabs were nothing. No civilization, no independent language or original culture. Some of them lived by selling goods to the Makkeh’s visitors as street vendors and limited agriculture in Madineh. The beauty of Islam is that God, if there is any, sent his religion amongst the worst of the worst and made them the best of the best for a while.
My plea to all Iranians...
by For court and law (not verified) on Thu Oct 25, 2007 09:46 PM PDTTo All Iranians:
This illegitimate fascist and despotic Islamic Republic of Iran will eventually collapse. We Iranians proclaim to all Mullah and theocratic supporters to stop supporting these mafias and leave their wrecked ship and join Iranian people in forming our true IRANIAN government.
Here is my plea to all of you Iranians:
Do not kill or hang these ruthless and coldblooded mullahs and their supporters. Have them captured and deliver them to authorities. Let them be tried one by one in court of law publicly. Let law and court rule. Let Iranian justice be served. It may take years to bring justice to them. But, this is a long overdue process and it is beholden to every Iranian living and to those who have sacrificed their lives for liberty and democracy in Iran.
Let all Iranians to find out what Mullahs and Islam have done to our Iranian culture and Iranian people. Let court and public to hear families and friends of all suffered Iranians. Let their crimes be known not just to Iranians but also to entire Middle East and the World.
Let the court and law process become our passageway to genuine democracy.
Iranians are for Justice against despotic Islamic Theocracy.
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by You are hearing my scream (not verified) on Thu Oct 25, 2007 07:53 PM PDT//www.frontlinedefenders.org/node/1199