WAR

Ranapanah

Thanks for the links. I had not seen the last link you attached. As the x-member of MEK said at the end of the video. MEK is desperate and is willing to do anything including to be used at any cost to stay alive. And as U.S. said MEK is just a tool to be used.
As I said before, they will be used and destroyed when there is no more use.
MEK members should wake up and leave MEK before it is too late. This has become a business for MEK and revenge for power not fight for justice and
democracy.

Evidence

//www.campaigniran.org/casmii/index.php?q=node/4205

Scorll down and read activities, I don't think you can say that the state government receive money from IRI to publish this.

//www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/103714.htm

//www.veoh.com/videos/v331232AJWzQH5g?searchId=615751694353203646&rank=1

PMOI

BTW: I forgot to note your early collabration with Mullah Arab occupation Regime in the 70,s.to an extent is as bad.You led the Arab army in with golden key to Iran.

The Collabration with Saddam in the form of taking refuge in Arab Saddam land while He was fighting the 2nd Arab regime in Tehran. For the simple fact that average Iranis in Iran don,t diffrentiate  or care between you being in Iraq ,on your own or being in Iraq under Saddam command.That was a bad policy and Arab Mullah Regime used that to show themselves as the real nationalist which for the average naghi and taghi who don,t know them for Arab occupation malakhs that they are, looked believable.You had more choices probably , fight like Kurds in the moutains or Baluchis in the sahra .It would have been harder and tough , but better in public opinion.As well your Kurdistan Offece was dumb &  the wrong timing(unbeivable that you attack Iran during the war..what do you expect the average irani to think? )Your Organization needs to Delete your whole Arab culture Ideology, change the name MEK .Delete Lenin & Hossein(pbuh) & abolfazl(pbuh) ..Delete mind set of semi Mullah Khalif ideology,..Send your leaders to retirement or the back ground and then apologize to Iranians (whether justified or not doesn,t matter  Do it anyway for your wrong decisions) , finally with your nationalist  ferver come under the Flag of Cyrus, our founding father to unite and awaken the GIANT aka Iranian identity = Arab occupation Regime worst nightmare.

PMOI supporter

This is not something you can deny. I don't have permission from their families or I would name you MEK members who went from west to Iraq and participated in war against Iran and got killed. They were all brainwashed by top members of MEK!

reply to samsam1111

collaborating with saddam on what?!? the MEK NEVER teamed up with the iraqi army to attack iran, even the regime announced they didnt. do you have any form of support for your claims?

theres no accounts of any form of collaboration, just baseless accusations!!!

theres really no evidence and no judicial court has ever been able to convict any pmoi members in any acts

Gilda

You said, I am naive to think U.S. is using MEK. That Israel has been using them.
I agree with you, no matter how much we may think we know about these zionists, we still don't no most of it.
But cheh hassan kachal, cheh kachal hassan. The end result is the same for us.

I know this MEK has done many wrong, but they are still Iranians. They are not all bad! Remember IRI did the same to them!
My very best friend was a MEK supporter. Now he is not as much. I know number of them which are very good people.
I support IRI for their positive points, that shouldn't make me a pro IRI and I condemn them for their negative points and that shouldn't make me an anti IRI.

when Imam Ali's was in bed dying, he asked his son, when you find whoever injured me, have mercy on him!

I have never been in any group, but have friend in all of them. Once one belongs in one group automatically becomes against others and vulnerable to be used, unless we put humanity first.

MEK collbrating with Saddam & Arab Occupation regime in Tehran

Are 2 faces of the same coin.  alien # 1 alien # 2 .MEK is out already .Soon Time comes for Mullahs to get lost & join them too.Iran for Iranians

Ms. Sepahpour.....

Where has your conscience gone? How can you spew such garbage and cut-and-paste the vomit of those who support your distorted argument, just to be the mouth piece of IRI?

You criticize Hillary for her response to a hypothetical question, and twist it to arouse the sense of nationalism amongst Iranian so that the atrocities of the IRI are left on the back burner. Someone on this thread labeled Hillary a political prostitute, but I think you are the journalist prostitute who has sold herself to the IRI by spreading misinformation while hiding under the flag of nationalism.

Even your beloved Obama would have given a similar response to the same question. You saw how your hero male-prostitute dumped his spiritual father of 20 years. You quoted:

Chinese proverb has it that “he who sacrifices his conscience to ambition, burns a picture to obtain the ashes”.

Isn’t that a truth…..?

Obviously you are not Iranian or American. You are just a paid mouth piece for IRI. You try to promote IRI’s case by bringing MEK into the discussion, just to divert attention from their practice of islamo-fascism.

Many have caught up with your flawed arguments. You may succeed fooling some people but sooner or later your true face will come out for everyone to see.

To: PMOI Supporter we don't need to get info. about you from IRI

There is plenty of news about your activities from foreign journalists, scholars, including American intelligence officials, and U.S. military officials who have disclosed your activities in Iraq! And many who have had encounters with you; don't forget you are not speaking to a bunch of idiots which just gulp down like morons everything that is fed to them.

And of course not, you have not received funding from Israel or the U.S. or others; Maryam Rajavi just inherited her riches from a trust fund; and dished it out to her members!

to gilda

Ive never been paid by Israel or the US government, i do what i do because i believe in the cause that is put forward by the iranian resistance,

Massive efforts by the iranian regime to bring negative views against the PMOI have preveiled on some occasions.

Someone getting payed 100,000 claiming to be a former mojahedin member will gain your sympathy after claims of torture and abuse by the organization are made.

You will easily take sides, this is the downside of simple minded people, and this is what the iranian regime has invested in.

This has always been a

This has always been a conundrum for me, how someone can be so outspoken on equal or similar issues and yet have some form of seeming congenital blindness in regard to what is taking place with the atrocities committed by the Islamic Republic against Iranians, Iraqi Sunnis (Collaborating with the U.S. and fomenting sectarian genocide), Lebanese, Palestinians(Using Arab mercenaries as proxies to do their bidding)while using them as cannon fodders...

You don't seem to understand US policy

To PMOI Supporter (People's Mojahedin Obeying Israel suporter) - You people get paid by Israel and their sevants, the US policy makers - who suck the blood of the world - the rest of us must keep up our moral high grounds to fight you guys. You don't fight evil with evil, you fight evil with goodness. So we can't be like you, we have to be your opposite. Get it?

To: PMOI Supporter you just proved my point!!

Of course, we know that during the Cold War the U.S. funded OBl, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban’s let alone funded other Muslim extremist groups to fight the Russians. They have armed many guerilla fighters to topple regimes to serve their own interest what's new!!

Today they have created another atmosphere of Cold War; The U.S, Israel against Iran and Islam; now this is so hypocritical.

One day they like to spread Islamic extremism to support their agenda against their enemies (Former Soviet Union); the next day those they funded and helped unleash in the world become their enemies.

Friends today, enemies tomorrow - that's the American way.

So today, the MEK is the friend of Israel, Israeli Lobby and the U.S. (Cheney/Bush neocon cabal) as an alternative to fight the Iranian Regime.

They don't give a hoot if you are a terrorist, or you have your hands dirty with the blood of the innocent! It simply means that you serve their interest in doing their dirty work for them; that's all.

This was exactly my point.

Once they are done with you, you will be dropped and crushed like an ant!

Maybe you didn't read the report:
Committee Hearing
HOUSE COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS HEARING ON THE NEXT STEPS IN THE CRISIS
JANUARY 11, 2007

WITNESSES: THOMAS PICKERING, FORMER UNDERSECRETARY OF STATE FOR POLITICAL AFFAIRS

FORMER CIA DIRECTOR JAMES WOOLSEY

Extract...

REP. TOM TANCREDO, R-COLO:” We are protecting them in Camp Ashraf . Here's a group of people who are, in fact, on the terrorist watch list that we are protecting. Our troops are protecting them.

Wouldn't it be to our advantage to somehow use these folks in pursuit of our goals? And in order to do that, wouldn't it require their removal from that list?”

LANTOS: Ambassador Pickering?

PICKERING : “Yes, certainly. I'd be happy to answer the question. I think that the question is premised on the Middle East fundamental proposition, "The enemy of the enemy is my friend."

My view is that the MEK doesn't represent the kind of government we would like to see in their past actions -- and they're all documented fairly well -- in . To me, it would be a bigger burden.

And if the Iranian people knew what MEK had been doing in terms of its own activities and the way it behaved, particularly towards its own people, I think they, too, would see that as a negative rather than a positive.

The MKO killed several American military advisers and civilians in Iran in the 1970s, played a key role in Iran's 1979 Islamic Revolution, and supported the US Embassy seizure before breaking away and launching attacks that have killed scores of senior Iranian officials.

Exiled first to France and then expelled in 1986, the MKO was given safe haven, weapons, and cash from Saddam Hussein. Though he used it to fight Iran during the Iran-Iraq war - an act that soured most Iranians toward the group - and to help quell local uprisings in 1991, the MKO today portrays itself as a democratic Iranian government-in-waiting.

"They are so discredited in Iran that I can't imagine they have any social basis," says Ervand Abrahamian, an Iran historian at the City University of New York and author of "The Iranian Mojahedin," a study of the MKO.

"I think you would find the current President [Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad more democratic than the Mujahideen," says Mr. Abrahamian. "Even in the early 1970s, it had turned into a cult organization.... The remaining members ... will do whatever [MKO leader Massoud] Rajavi tells them."

The State Department's terrorism report last year said the MKO maintains "the capacity and will to commit terrorist acts in Europe, the Middle East, the United States, Canada and beyond."

The report notes the MKO's "cult-like characteristics," such that "new members are indoctrinated in MEK ideology and revisionist Iranian history [and] required to ... participate in weekly 'ideological cleansings.' " Children are separated from their parents, it adds, and Mrs. Rajavi "has established a 'cult of personality.'.[1]

You don't seem to understand US policy

The US supported taliban and the afghan resistance against the soviets because they were at the time the biggest threat to the US

In case you don't know, there was something going on called the cold war.

The soviet union was and will remain to be the biggest threat the US faced and the taliban is nothing compared to the USSR.

Knowing your priorities is important in all eras.

For all of you complaining about the PMOI, stop your WHINING!

They have not been convicted of any crimes and theres NO form of evidence from anyone on any side.

So you sitting here blabbering about treason and homicide and cults just won't get you people anywhere.

The iranian regime spends over $200 million each year on propaganda against the MEk, so why are you people wasting your breath?

The least you can do is register with the regime and get paid for your services!!!

PMOI - terrorist- supporter

Let's talk about the funding the MEK receives from Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the CIA, just to mention a few. Let's talk about Masoud Rajavi hiding in Israel (he is said to be "transferred" by the US to Bulgaria recently). Let's talk about all the spying that MEK does on behalf of Israel and the US.

I repeat: Anyone who knowingly supports the MEK is commting treason against Iran and Iranians. This is beyond the MEK being a cult (it is), beyong MEK being a terrorist organization (it is), but about all the treasons that the MEK has commited againt Iran and Iranians.

In the US you can practically buy any politician. Throw money at her/him for her/his election campaign, and she/he will support you. Add to the mix the AIPAC, and then you have "success" in the US.

To: PMOI Supporter - you don't seem to understand U.S. Policy?

You are not winning because they are buying off on your bull shit, about democracy, liberation and freedom. The Americans know who they can buy with money, who has no principles, no integrity, and is willing to do their dirty work; and the MEK, NCRI, PMOI possess all of those qualifications. The world is filled with the likes of you and thousands of Chalabis.

This is nothing to bost about.

Does the U.S. give a damn about unleashing terrorist groups; like yourself, PJAK, Al-Qaeda, etc. so long as they can do the dirty work of the U.S.? No! This is American policy 101.

After all it was the U.S. who also funded and supported Al-Qaeda and the Talibans - what's new!

However, who gives a shit about what America or the Europeans think about you; what's important is what the Iranian people think.

Winning, is when you are accepted by the Iranian people. And I can assure you, the MEK, PMOI, NCRI, don't have one iota of credibility with the Iranian people. They will stick with the Mullah's anyday vs. the MEK!

So go kiss ass with the Americans and the Europeans! At some point when they realize how destested the MEK, PMOI, are with the Iranian people, they will dump you before you can sneeze.

re- sophism

Obviously, i did go to a great high school, since it prepared me to pass the university entrance exam ("Concoor") in Iran and then graduate from UC Berkeley with high honors!

So, you looked up sophism and learned the name Sophia comes from that. How is that relevant to our argument? Nobody is arguing who sophists are and where the name came from. I guess, you view your logic as flawless too! 

For a logical argument to follow, the evidence must be presented to support the premise. The writer of the article failed to do so in much of her piece.

Don't shoot the messenger! 

good observation. . .

It takes great insite and skill to realize these techniques and social skills which will bring about simple success stories for the MEk as we have noticed over the past few months.

Cult members are never able to gain support of parliment members because of their lack of social ability and understanding of the outside world.

The Mek know exactly whats going on and which tools to use in each situation, therefore they are constantly winning in battles against the iranian regime defeating anne singleton and the likes of phoney former members of the organization

They are not a cult. . .

A cult does not have any awareness or interaction with the outside world. Mojahedin are fully aware of the situation in iran, europe and all over iraq. They are joined by thousands of iraqis in many events each year and promote their cause well into the iraqi population, gaining over 5.3 million signatures through their social ability.

That is the main deficit of a cult is its inability to interact with the outside world.

MeK members have built good relationships with all types of iraqis from all different backgrounds and ethnicities , being shia, sunni, or kurdish etc.

Singleton and others

Can anyone really win against the money and power that is supporting the MEK, i.e. Israel? The have even bought British MPs. Ronal Reagan once said: “Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first”. He was remarkably astute in his observation. In 1995, it became painfully clear to Lord Nolan that 30% of all MPs were being paid for consultancies (advice and lobbying) related to their parliamentary role. At the time of this revelation, the majority of Conservative backbenchers were 'spoken for' by one commercial lobby or another.

An influential lobby group called ‘Decision Makers’ had Dame Angela Rumbold, Vice-Chairman of the Conservative Party as one of its directors. She resigned when Mohammed Al-Fayed, father of Princess Diana’s fiancé, Dodi Fayed, made allegations against senior party figures. Another 'lobbying company' was set up by lan Greer who began in politics working for Cabinet Minister Peter Walker. He remained a Conservative agent for thirteen years after which he has enjoyed close links with senior Conservative politicians. In 1969 he began lobbying as a business. Among Ian Greer Associates (IGA) was Prime Minister Bhutto. Could it be that the MEK is using a lobby group to influence the likes of Lord Corbett who is defending this group, among other MPs?
After all, what chance do Anne Singleton and Bani Sadr have against Lord Corbett of Castle Vale, a member of the House of Lords from Gordon Brown's ruling Labor Party?

If the claims against the MEK are true. . .

Why did anne singleton, khodabande, and banisadr, all fail to provide any worthy testimony at the recent hearings in paris?

they lost the suit, and the case altogether because of lack of evidence.

Read about it.

Hanna....

Hillary Clinton believes everyone is a moron except her.

That's what makes her dangerous.

So we are all morons except you?

This article is not from the book of the renowned Prof. Abrahamian, though obviuosly he has studied the MEK's activities and strategies pretty well.

Here is Ann Singelton a British citizen and a former member of the MEK. She describes her life during the time when she was with the MEK. It definitely has all of the patterns of a "cult" and she calls it a "cult". Unless you are a member or a former member do you think you know better than those who have fled from the arms of this group??

My years of slavery with the terrorists
//www.cultsandterror.org/sub-file/YorkshirePo...

//www.cultsandterror.org/sub-file/Phobia%20sp...

Cults and Terrorism - A Case Study
Mojahedin Khalq Organisation

//www.cultsandterror.org/sub-file/case%20stud...

Dr. Margaret Singer professor emeritus at the University of California at Berkeley the acknowledged leading authority in the world on mind control and cults. This document, in substance, was presented to the U.S. Supreme Court as an educational Appendix on coercive psychological systems in the case Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology 89-1367 and 89-1361. The Wollersheim case was being considered related to issues involving abuse in this area.

//www.factnet.org/rancho1.htm

Maybe after this you can educate us Morons on why you don't believe the MEK is like a cult?

Anonymous500: Do not lie about MEK

I do not know where you get your information about MEK, but you are obviously a supporter. Only supporters like you believe that the MEK leadership is supported by "honorable" and "intelligent" Iranians. Just like any MEK supporter, you also lie.

Yeah, the "honorable" and "intelligent" Iranians have forgotten about the treasons that have been committed by the MEK leadership: as collaborators of Saddam Hussein, giving him information about Iranian army during the war; as the group that attacked Iran just when the war with Iraq ended, sending thousands of their men to their death in an adventure that had a worse chance of succeeding than having a freezing day in hell; as Saddam's army to put down uprisings by the Kurds and the Shi'ites; as collaborators of Israel; as the cult that is interested in nothing other than coming to power in Iran at any cost, ....

I supported MEK before the Revolution and particularly before 1975, before the "ideological revolution" by which the communists killed the Islamic faction. I even supported them right after the Revolution. But, once the treasons of Rajavi and his cult of personality became clear, I stopped supporting this hellish leadership. My brother lost his life, because he could not see things the way I was.

Anyone that knowingly supports the MEK shares the responsibility for the treasons that this fascist leadership has committed against Iran and Iranians. One can and must oppose both the mullahs and those like MEK leadership that has committed as much crime against Iran and Iranians as any group.

Your lies:

Torab Haghshenas is not a supporter of the mullahs. He opposes them. Having been intimately familiar with the crimes of Rajavi, Haghshenas and people like him only warn people against this criminal cult. If the MEK does not give a hoot to him, why it attacks him and people like him so viciously?

Bani Sadr was not expelled by the MEK, he left in protest.

Ervand Abrahamian has too great of a track record in scholarly work to be tainted by your lies and the lies of people like you.

What the MEK does is not trying to liberate Iran and establishing a democratic government. An Stalinist group, with a criminal leadership composed of turncoats, spies, and sold-outs, cannot be an advocate of democracy.

The MEK has no role to play in Iran's future. In a future democratic Iran, the leadership of this criminal cult will be put on trial, if they are still around.

Is Ulrich not guilty of the same hypocrisy?

Ms. Ulrich's pieces are editorials and as such really preach to the converted. I happen to agree with most of her positions but there is one thing I have noticed in not only her writing but in most of the arguments that come out of certain quarters on the Left (George Galloway for instance) in relation to the American policy in the middle east, and that is speaking from both sides of her mouth. She is attacking US imperialist policies vise a vise Iran and the rest of the middle east and yet she criticizes MEK in part because back in the '70s they assassinated "Americans". Were those merely Americans? Were they not military advisers and CIA officials that trained SAVAK and the Shah's military? Were they not representatives of American imperial policy in the region back then? If MEK are to be called terrorists partially for those actions then what about the so-called Iraqi resistance, those who blow up mosques full of civilians? Are they terrorists too? And why call Maryam Rajavi a cult leader? What is Ulrich’s definition of cult except she is repeating the label that some in the media have attached to the MEK. Why not a misguided political organization? Are the Tamil Tigers a cult because their members are willing to blow themselves up for their ideals? Do suicide bombers in Palestine qualify as cult members too? Does a willingness to sacrifice oneself in the ultimate sense qualify anyone as a cult member? Is Ulrich certain that all that has been said about MEK, the way their members are indoctrinated etc not at least partly propaganda by the IRI intelligence apparatus? Are members of the Sepah-e Pasdaran not members of a cult as well? And what about the Basij? Does Ulrich know about “cult” like rituals that used to precede suicide operations against Iraqi forces in the ‘80’s? Is Ulrich not guilty of the same hypocrisy that she accuses others here? Is she not engaged in a little game of politcing herself? I wonder.

Mehdi" Regarding MEK

This is the cult that whose literature is filled with concepts such as democracy, human rights, women's rights, minority rights; the Mojahedin is not a cult, it is a forward-looking Muslim organization that carries all the good and bad aspects of Iranian culture. Those who call the Mojahedin a religious cult are either doing this because they have no knowledge of what a religious cult is, or are outright morons if not at the service of the IRI.

This cult label was first used against the Mojahedin by Bani Sadr when he was expelled from the National Council of Resistance of Iran in early 1980s when he was with the NCRI at the same time that he was secretly corressponding with the Khomeini regime to see if he could go back to Iran.

Later it was used by that Ervand Ebrahimian in his book called Iranian Mojahedin written in 1986 as he was trying to "expose" the Mojahedin as nothing more than a religious cult that accroding to him had lost all its once formdiable base in Iran because of its collaboration with whatever was chick at that time; Ebrahimain is the main intellectual force behind this idiotic deminization of the Mojahedin as a religious cult that is now a "terrorist" org too.

I really would like to see other so-called religious cults be following the path of the Mojahedin: instead of waiting for the Mother Ship to land and take them to Nirvana, fight against injustices and in the case of Iranian oppositional grous, fight against a criminal-terrorist regime such as the IRI to tear it into pieces so as to reclaim the power that Khomeini and his gang usurped from our people.

Those who are a bit more intelligent than the likes of you, have recognized this fact about the Mojahedin and that is the main reason that the Mojahedin organization is getting its share of support among the more honorable and intelligent political groups and personalities in Europe and North America.

As to your mantra that MEK is a religious cult that is giving Marxist interpretation to the Ghoran, you are also entitled to your share of "ideas" and "opinions" considering the fact that we live in democratic West that allows rendition of thoughts and ideas w/out exceuting people.

This said, I really doubt that the Mojahedin organization gives a hoot to the likes of Ebrahamin, or Torab Haghshenas or an ex-Mojahed now turned into Khatt-e Emami Hezbollahi intellectual in diaspora warning the rest of us of the danger of this "cult"; what I am sure is that this "cult-shmult" will play a very significant role in the overthrow of this decomposing Lashedh we call IRI. And that is what counts in history of struggle in Iran.

sophism

mali jan,

Maybe you should have gone to a better high school, unless you were too busy being a Mojahed. Her logic is flawless. Your teacher had a problem teaching sophism. In Ancient Greece, the sophists were a group of teachers of philosophy and rhetoric. The modern name “Sophia” comes from the ancient Greek sophia meaning ‘wise’ or wisdom’.

Look Who's Talking About Conscience!

I doubt she knows the meaning of the word, "conscience."

I am confused what does this have article have to do wt sophism?

I am literally confused, why one would think that this article has anything to do with sophism?

Congresswomen Lee Jackson holds a very high position in Senator Clinton's presidential campaign. I think we all have a right to ask Senator Clinton why the co-Chair of her campaign supports a terrorist organization, and is so close to the head of the cult Maryam Rajavi to call her "sister"?

Isn't Barack Obama being demonized for what his pastor Rev. Wright has said? We have to listen to the barrage of Rev. Wright's statements every day; and in all honesty if one listens to his PBS interview he didn't say anything which was untrue. However, Senator Clinton, McCain, and the media are using this to their fullest to discredit Obama and are asking him to renounce Rev. Wright as a friend and totally distance himself in every manner from his pastor.

Furthermore Obama has gotten a good beating for just having a middle name "Hussein" and this is being repeated over and over again. However, to call Maryam Rajavi "sister", is o'kay??

So, if Congresswomen Lee Jackson is supporting a terrorist organization; shouldn't Hillary Clinton be asked to renounce both the MEK, as well as Congresswomen Lee Jackson?

After all it is pretty hypocritical to have anyone in one's campaign who supports an organization that is on the Official U.S. Terrorist List, is it not?

She will do anything for the right price

I live in NY, if you remember one of the most interesting thing in Clinton times, was the peace treaty and Robin and Arafat shaking hands, Anyway during her elections, she denounced it because she realized AIPAC does not like Robin. I think it was very courageous of Robin to sign peace treaty and it was just the lowest form of prostitution to denounce it.