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So sorry I thought I'd edited out the content..........JR, Jammy

of that post last night so I could draft something different today..   Well if you read it OOPS you can ignore it.  .

 JR, Jammy, bad bad news. You'll see.

Mozdooran

Dear Mr. Rashidian,
I grew up in the United States since the age of 10, and unfortunately, I have witnessed many such Iranians you write about. However, I'm most intrigued with what you categorize as group number 3.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that many Iranians unknowingly belong to this group because they really would not categorize themselves as ones interested in supporting the IRI, but their self-serving actions inevitably result in helping the IRI by being the unofficial IRI representatives in the USA and other democratic countries.

This group I'd rather call the "mozdooran" as they are traitors of the worst kind. Groing up in the USA, I'm sad to see the high percentage of Iranian's who gladly take money from the Islamic Republic in order to promote its agenda in the United States(some directly from the government, and others through indirect filtered organizations masking themselves as philanthropic societies).

As Woodward and Bernstein said when investigating Watergate, "Follow the money!" Listen Iranians, the next time you go to a "bonyad," or send your kids to a Farsi school that uses books printed in the Islamic Republic, or go to a meeting for an Iranian "charity non-profit" who gives out gifts with quotes from the Koran,...you should ask yourself where the MAJORITY of money is coming from and why.

The strongest supporters of the IRI are living outside of Iran because that is where the majority of the Islamo-fascistic public relations representatives are needed. Any Iranian who takes a dime or contributes a dime to this regime has the same blood on their hands as that of the murderers and rapists of the IRI who are holding Iran hostage.
P.S.- The next time you hear someone living in a democratic country who defends the IRI, ask them why they don't live there?

Re: My government, the Islamic Republic

My government, the Islamic Republic

Absolutely right, it is not my government, it is not iranians' government, so it must be either yours or arabs' or brits' or french's or chinese's or indians' or ...!

Let's say that the article is correct, so what? What are you going to do with these huge supporters of the regime?

They are not really that many, 14% according to the latest poll, including those who pretend to support the regime out of fear, and those who support the regime for the sake of their pockets, and those who are in psychological Stockholm syndrome trap; and when the time comes, the iranian people will take care of them, the same way that they took care of the shah and his aides, albeit 1000 times worse since these are at least 1000 times worse and are not really iranian based on their behavior of the past 30 years that led to 550,000 iranians killed or executed. No iranian killed as many iranians before khomeini, so there is no way that he and his ilk can be counted as iranian.

I smile every morning knowing that hateful people such as yourselves are not in Iran. Thank you God.

That is amazing that we do the same as we see islamists are packing and running away! I heard rafsanjani's children have already settled in canada with a good pack of money!

The regime of Iran is the best that she had ever, EVER.

Best for who? Arabs? Brits? Chinese who take the oil at deep discount to vote with iran in UNSC and they don't, or indians who take the gas at deeper discount to vote with iran and they don't, or french who receive lucrative oil contracts (via Total) and still bad-mouth iran? Or is it the Classic! Classic lie khomeini style! Why am I not surprised for supporters of those who "sold" iran to fascism and mullas' islam.

We can. WE CAN, is our slogan and we will make Iran better and freer and don't need you Europeans to tell us how to do our business.

When? When? When? It has already been 30 years and we are still going down the hill, still using the same infrastructure that shah set up: the same airplanes, the same fighter jets, the same universities, the same banks, the same the same the same. Only value of rial has decreased by a factor 142, per capita income has decreased by a factor of 4, and number of executions have continued to increase by a factor of at least 500 compare to during the shah's period, with 117 juvenile on death row right now, at right this minute!

Just stay in the west and leave us alone. Just stay where you are. It's better for all of us this way.

Same to you! Soon iranians will send all arab parasts your way too! But I beg islamists to move to their beloved arab land in mecca and medina (if they let those IRI kaafars in) as west is bad for them!

If you like to help, help Iran by pushing the west to stop their support for the conservatives by continuos threat and warmonger attitude.

You mean conservatives and warmongers in tehran who have been trying to free qods for 30 years by jeopardizing iranians' safety and security?

That's all you can do. Other than that we are Iranians and we can do it.

Iranians are those who are iranians "first" and foremost, not servants of their ideologies who only like iran as a base to serve arab causes or their bank accounts.

Paayandeh baah Iran,

I thought this was something iranian, but as usual mullas' farsi "nam keshideh", or maybe meant to be another anti-iran slogan.

marg bar khodforukhtegaaneh gharbzadeh.

You mean "arabzadeh" or "islamzadeh"?

"Salvation for a race,

"Salvation for a race, nation or class must come from within. Freedom is never granted; it is won. Justice is never given; it is exacted." A. Phillip Randolph

Dear Bijan ....you are welcome

Best,

Solh va Doosti

Natalia

Thank you Nadia

That answers my question. But, I still think that the author of an article should not have the right to delete all the comments in response to the article (whether 300 or 300000)

Thanks,

Bijan 

FYI Everybody..........

Mr. Mazloom had a few words to say about what he refers to as "Internet Revolutionaries" on his latest blog: Now that I’ve lured you into MY cyber den

Just thought that you may want to know. :o)

Solh va Doosti

Natalia

Dear Bijan

Happy reading......

What Happened to Soraya's Thread?

 Keep in mind that Anonymouse's blog surpassed 300 comments.

Solh va Doosti

Natalia

Dear Mr. J. Javid

As an ardent supporter of your publication I have always and openly admired your attempt to stay true to the spirit of your motto “Nothing is sacred”. I certainly appreciate the challenge you face in maintaining “fairness” considering the fact that you, as an intelligent human being have your own strong beliefs and opinions.  While I find myself in disagreement with some of your views, I sincerely congratulate you for exercising the degree of impartiality in operating this site. If I may, I like to make some criticism of some aspects of managing this site:First and foremost, I don’t think it is fair to grant the author of an article the right and freedom to delete the comments that are posted in response to the original article. I am not referring to the comments deleted by screeners or moderators. I am talking about those comments that have passed the test of credibility. In many instances the responses to the original article are more valuable than the article itself. Such comments, in my opinion are intellectual properties and it is unfair to grant the author of the original article the freedom to discard them. I was extremely disappointed when I found out that all the posts associated with the article “So, disappointed in this site” by “Anonymouse” has completely vanished.So, would you Please reconsider this policy and don’t give the author the freedom to delete responses to his article. Of course he has all the rights to do what he sees fit with his own post, but not with the responses to his post. My other point, (which is more searching for an answer rather than criticism) relates to sudden closing of Soraya’s thread (open letter to Obama). I am sure there has been an unbiased logic and reason for doing that. But, in all honesty I cannot think of a fair and unbiased reason why that discussion should be terminated and the current debate about Mr. Rashidan's article should continue. I assure you that I don’t have a conspiratorial mind and have no ulterior motive to pose this question. I am genuinely curious to know why.  Best regards,

Bijan

please open your eyes

this institute of crime
has run out of time

open your eyes and mind
the truth you will find

naive, naive you are
further from the truth you are

you say you love peace
yet its the regime that you please

you say you rather die slowly
than live forever freely

you fear is your downfall
so please try and stand tall

stand up against this regime for once
because force is the only response

believe me when I say I too want peace for iran
but the only way is with a regime on the run

Mr. Rashidian, no worries,

Mr. Rashidian, no worries, we are standing together, and the key thing is that what we advocate for reflects the Iranian majority public opinion. These leftists and IRI apologits marginalized everyone else for the last 30 years , and its time for that to change. Let's rememeber that these people are pros in labeling and in character assasination. Keep up the good work.

My government, the Islamic Republic

Let's say that the article is correct, so what? What are you going to do with these huge supporters of the regime? kill them?

I smile every morning knowing that hateful people such as yourselves are not in Iran. Thank you God.

The regime of Iran is the best that she had ever, EVER. We can. WE CAN, is our slogan and we will make Iran better and freer and don't need you Europeans to tell us how to do our business. Just stay in the west and leave us alone. Just stay where you are. It's better for all of us this way.
If you like to help, help Iran by pushing the west to stop their support for the conservatives by continuos threat and warmonger attitude. That's all you can do. Other than that we are Iranians and we can do it.

Paayandeh baah Iran, marg bar khodforukhtegaaneh gharbzadeh.

Democracy vs. Reform and divine power

It seems many of us have been introduced to democracy, human rights/ freedom and rule of law sugar cones and enjoy drinking them with our afternoon tea quite a bit. But since many of us are ahistorical and lack any true and deep knowledge of how these cones are processed and reach our ghandoon, we are unable to distinguish between the idea of democracy and its implementation and longevity in presence of major threats and opposition. And there is a huge difference indeed. The idea of democracy, human rights and rule of law are simple ones and everyone should be capable of understanding it (unless of course you have a major brain deficiency). But what is the process of bringing it about and one in place protecting against all danger and perils, especially in early days on its infancy? Let’s examine these and how it pertain to our situation. Those shouting peace, human rights, reform should pay special attentions.

1. Show a single major democracy that has come to existence in face of fierce opposition and tyranny with peace, love, flowers, etc o az in joor chiza. Show me one historical example. More importantly show me one example when going against entrenched religious establishments claiming to have their validity and rights from divine power with brutal oppressing policy. British, French, American democracies have all come to power with abrupt, bloody revolutions/battles. One look at Magna Carta and its historical progress is a testament to this fact that slow reform and struggle at the presence of oppressing and anti-democratic forces especially those in belief of their rights from divine power will not take roots and consistently face threats of extinction. In this case, it was put in place by rebellion in the first place and the determining clash finally happened after 400 years of trial and error and the structures of real democracy is established with defeating the forces of anti-democracy in bloody battles against the king and its supporting religious establishment.

2. One important aspect of implementation of democracy which is overlooked is its forceful and protective arm. Even after the establishment of democracy especially in its burgeoning state it needs an adequate force to protect it and assure all threats to its existence are emphatically dealt with. This necessary force must remain and grow with the democracy, as the democracy grows so are the threats to it. After all a democracy is not only the rule of common law, individual rights/freedom but also protector of liberty of the land and its citizens. Anti-democratic elements within, in particular religious ones, pose the greatest threat and must be emphatically put down if necessary. In our case the mullah class that are historically from south Lebanon and have been imported, have no connection or sympathy to our national interests or liberty and have, are and will naturally pose the greatest threats of them all. In terms of British experience this clash of anti-democratic elements can be seem from the trial of archbishop Laud and eviction of bishops from the parliament who were taking the validity of Manga Carta under criticism based on it being imposed by a rebellion and not being part of a “REFORM”. aha, certainly reminds of people like faribah khatami and his clan, one just recently visited san jose, huh? Instead of core issues they talk about margins. Fantastic strategy to confuse, distort and take attentions away from core issues and spend countless energy on side matters where otherwise could be focused on the central issues and form a coherent, impactful movement.

In conclusion, from what history teaches us the use of force for removal of anti-democratic regimes and establishment of desired democracy and protecting its growth and longevity seems absolutely necessary from historical and past experiences of such major movements, in particular when facing governments claming their rights from divine power not to mention when the king and pope merge in one absolute ruler. Any other method would be highly hypothetical and theoretical with no bases and validity of its success in reality and history. How this force is exerted and where it would come from is a topic for debate but again it should be based on what can be done in reality and not just some fantasy hypothetical entity from above or deep in someone’s imagination.

anti-vatanforoush: Have you

anti-vatanforoush: Have you heard of IRI's SAVAMA, VEVAK, MOIS??? Are you living a bubble?? These agencies have outdone SAVAK by a millioin fold. Do you think we are stupid???

to anti-vatanforoush

anti-vatanforoush you say that "some vatanforoushs are extreme right wings with fascistic tendencies. They can not tolerate any opposition whatsoever, they want to eliminate all opposing voices, they do not like to hear them commenting differently than themse"

I totally agree with you. I am glad to see that you can described the IRI so well.

"They talk day and night of defending democracy and of complaining that Iran is the 'only' obstacle to democracy in the world"

You are misquoting them. Let me correct you, maybe you'll learn something new after 30 years. They talk day and night of defending democracy and of complaining that the "IRI" (not Iran) is the only obstacle to democracy in Iran (not the world).

"they can not even tolerate a free and multi-vocal website as iranian.com"

You are wrong. They can tolerate a free and multi-vocal website. In fact that's what they want. However, supporters of a killing machine regime such as the IRI that is not allowing ANY kind of freedom in Iran cannot complain about multi-vocality. They are the enemies of Iranians' interests.

A million civilans killed in Iraq is irrelevant since nobody is supporting military intervention by foreign powers. We are all supporting the overthrow of the sold out nokar IRI by the people of Iran.

"The rest of the people here are either amazed at the nonsenses given by these guys..."

Of course you are only speaking for your minority IRI fans here.

"the first thing they do is to reestablish SAVAK and start killing people"

Why would they do that? The IRI has already done this better than anyone could possibly do!

In short, you are the lier and your lies do not fool anyone. It only induces laughter for some, and vomit for others.

Something Worth Defending! (to JR)

JR, let's not beat around the bush. As many of the posters below have said it in various ways you wrote this article to advocate reduction of level of freedom this site provides to those whom disagree with you. The ones whom you have profiled in your article as different pro IRI Iranians. I found what you advocate very appalling and undemocratic. I similarly found the ideas of those religious people who want to restrict the secular anti religious guys like you under the pretext of "respect" appalling (as you may know there recently was an article about this).
It is very ironic that your camp and the other camp despite 180 degree ideological differences push for the same thing when it come to this site, namely limiting the freedom of speech!
JR, I am against that! I believe this site should remain as free as is ... I am glad that JJ has created a site that Zion posts, Muslim_Iranian posts, warmonger Craig posts, Rosie and Mammad post ..... I am glad that even the border line fascist Imani posts here. What JJ has created is worth defending even if I have to piss you off much more!
BTW, I personally don't know that JJ guy at all!

My journey in US

Dear Jamshid, Farhad, Mitra, Fred, Mehran, Salar, Rosie, and other commentators who support this article. The last four days were the busiest days of my vacations in LA.

Although, I came here to visit my family, I spent most of these days, using my nephews’ computers, posting my current piece and reading and answering your comments on Iranian.com.

Thank all of you to raise this debate so vastly. We may be slow in achieving a quick result, but our debates are more enduring and full of wisdom, if only we stand together, our opposition to the criminal IRI will be better heard and Mr. Javid must recognise our protest due to the existence of IRI’s supporters on his site.

When I go back home to Germany I continue to share my views with you. Thanks again for your points and supports for my piece. 

The supporters of IRI may

The supporters of IRI may directly or indirectly support this regime due to their religious belief, ideology, financial ties, their "khodis" being in positions of power, or any combination of these.

This is however at a tremendous cost to them, the cost of committing treason against the people of Iran.

Jamshid jan: Absolutely brilliant. The country has been raped and robbed for the past 30 years and we're to sit by and don't lift a finger...

Does somehow raping the country in the name of religion rather than by a non-relgious entity make it OK in the eyes of Iranians??

Dear Zion

As long as you are good to those on the thread then you can be any size you want.

Lately, I have to label certain comments with "sarcasm" in them because some on the web site do not realize that I am being sarcastic. I have a very sarcastic sense of humor which I do try to minimize. :o)

 Of course, my day was not darkened by you Zion. Perish the thought. It takes a lot more than Zion to damper my spirits.

Go right ahead and call Che whatever you want but don't forget to look at your own politicians. I am sure that you would find them equally disgusting. Politics is a dirty business in any country.

By the way, I am a Mexican, just incase you forgot. From your comment you seem to think that you are offending me. Che Guevara is Hispanic but not a Mexican. Get it!

 Now, you have spent more than sufficient time with me. I think that we need to share you with the rest of the thread. Don't want them to feel left out.

Solh va Doosti

Natalia

Kansas2

The problem with the article is that it is really impossible to understand what it's trying to say. Its logic in convoluted. It's targets are poorly described, stereotyped and unclear. i have asked the author several times to tell us what he actually means in practical terms, but he never answers the question.

Can you perhaps help? 

Peace!

To: Kansas1

Kansas1, you said:

"Dear Jahanshah, What’s your point? I don’t get it. Are you advocating annihilating Iran and its people so we can create a legitimate government there?"

Here is a homework for you: Re-read Jahanshah's article, line by line, and find any statement that would point to such outrageous accusation.

If you cannot find it then you must be:

1. An IRI supporter in disguise trying to slander and bad mouth your opposition out of ideological bankruptcy, or,
2. You are retarded (aghab oftadeh)

Let's hope you prove me wrong, in which case I would apologize to you, or just accept the two possiblities I mentioned. We are waiting!

extremists are lying when talking about democracy!

I think some points become crystal clear after this discussion:

1- some vatanforoushs are extreme right wings with fascistic tendencies. They can not tolerate any opposition whatsoever, they want to eliminate all opposing voices, they do not like to hear them commenting differently than themselves.

2- They talk day and night of defending democracy and of complaining that Iran is the 'only' obstacle to democracy in the world and that this regime should be soon annihilated at no matter what the price (who cares about the price and lives lost? who did ever care about more than a million civilians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan and many dying of hunger and all the infrastructures being destroyed and military bases being built by foreign powers).

But albeit their talks of 'democracy' they are simply LYING because they can not even tolerate a free and multi-vocal website as iranian.com. They want a website where only right-wing extremists and 'goozi' neocons like themselves can comment and preach and extend 'democracy'!

3- The majority or a strong group (at least 50%) of commentators in this site are not buying their lies. Only a few handful notorious vatanforoushs are buying their idiocies. These guys are well known in this site for their devastating anti-Iran and pro-colonial advocacies. They see nothing wrong with the rest of the world and think all evils come from present day Iran! The rest of the people here are either amazed (at the nonsenses given by these guys) or have a negative attitude towards the nonsenses provocated by these anti-Iran vatanforoushs.

I am sure if (ever) these right wing extremists, or ANY extremist come to power (as has happened in the past and present day Iran) the first thing they do is to reestablish SAVAK and start killing people until no opposition voice is heard!

Dear Jahanshah

Dear Jahanshah,
What’s your point? I don’t get it. Are you advocating annihilating Iran and its people so we can create a legitimate government there? Or is it to prevent one group or another from reading or interacting with Iranian.com because it’s bad for the humanity and good for the Islamic Republic?
Really, what’s your definition of ‘legitimate’ government? Is the Supreme Court appointed President George W. Bush ‘legitimate’? Is starting a war for corporate profits ‘legitimate’? Is prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo ‘legitimate’ human rights practices? Is eavesdropping on American people without court orders ‘legitimate’? Is it ‘legitimate’ for 18000 Americans to die each year for lack of health insurance? Or is it ‘legitimate’ for thousands of American children to go to bed hungry every night? Was overthrowing Mossaddegh and reinstalling the Shah a ‘legitimate’ freedom fighting move?
Come on dear Jahanshah, open your eyes, look around and read more instead of watching cable news networks. You can start here: //www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080623_the_h...
It’s not too late!

Anonym7, one last thing I

Anonym7, one last thing I forgot to say: if people with my political belief were in power and you would write postings like this bashing me, we would defend your right of freedom of expression with our lives, but if (Well not if, as we can see), people with your political belief were in power and I would post articles like this, they will call me a “Zionist agent” or a “CIA agent”, or a “Gharbzadeh”, or an “Imperialism agent”, or all of the above…blind fold me, put me against the wall, shout Allah o Akbar and shoot me.

P.S: Read the book “Deevar e allah o akbar”. The Allah o akbar wall.

Khodam,

was your comment directed to ABC?  Because I noticed that one of those was missing too, and I was very unhappy about it.

Rosie

jamshid jaan, you just

jamshid jaan, you just summed it up. It cant be said clearer than that. Great job. Mr. Rashidian, Zion, abc and other guys, great responses.  

Anonym7, no matter how hard

Anonym7, no matter how hard you try to make this about me and you, its not gonna work. This trick was used by people like you in the last 50 years or so when you ran out of responses and logical arguments, and it has lost its effect. People have woken up. You can call me right wing extremist, secular, whatever you want. Let me just tell you this, I’m with anyone who opposes the IRI and wants it removed and blames Iran’s disastrous conditions on it, no matter if that person is center leftist, right wing, centrists, liberal, conservatives,  monarchist, moderate Islamist, republican, democrat,,what have you. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with everything they say, but I damn sure blame people who apologize or justify or victimize or support the IRI, for their contribution to the prolonging of IRIs reign over our country, thus contributing to our country’s further destruction and our people’s further suffering. From time to time, when issues rise up, I express my political and social beliefs, but this article is not about me or you. Its about the Islamists attack on democracy, which is by far, and I mean, by as far as it can goes, the greatest threat the world faces today.

Mitra from Khuzestan

Mitra Jan

Thank your for the enthusiastic words from Khuzestan, our common home province, which has been also home for many political avanguards, and patriotic and passionate front runners. I think of late Paknejad, Dr. Nezam Rashidian, Nasser Rashdian, Alirez Rashidian… all my dear and pattern models and victims of despotism.

We see today a vibrant self-sufficient hatred on us toward this occupying regime which might remain as a collective emotion and sink into such a rapid decline of our recovery after the fall of the IRI.

Despite all our opened wounds and sorrowfulness, I think that voice of revenge is not to relieve our nation after the IRI. I only wish I knew how we could begin to remove this hateful regime without further violence, but if we want to remove we must pragmastically accept all removing possibilities.

Mullahs’ regime and its killers have just exploited religious or naïve people’s emotion to impose their plague. Where there is naïve emotion, a dictator can survive or claim that the country is at war against “foreign” elements. If such a dictator gives our people an enemy that threatens their very existence,' they will not care that they are starving or that their national resources are worthless. They seem have planned to make people die for the dictatorship and we , the defenders of the same people, will fail our commitments if we do not unmask such a regime.  

IRI’s followers will never allow any one to take away what IRI has monopolised. A number of them are living luxury lives at the expense of others. Their children, mostly bache akhunds, are studying at universities all over the world. And I can see the reason why they support this regime on this site. Such supporters will never allow our people to peacefully take their privilege away with out bloodshed.

Iran will take long time to recover even after the IRI has disappeared. What is the point of contesting a facade of a regime with predictable fatal consequences to several innocent generations? It is wise to see a people who are not blinded by an unbridled thirst for Islamism, but place value on their freedom and proserity. Neither dialogue nor the ballot box will remove the IRI and free our people.

Only we Iranian people can accomplish the job. So, let the khuzestani hot blood run in our veins.

The IRI is illegitimate

The IRI is illegitimate because:

The supreme leader, velayate faghih, is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The expediency council is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The guardian council is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The assembly of experts is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The "farmaayeshi", state approved and state run parliament is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The head of judiciary is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The bonyaads are undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The harassment and imprisonments of IRI critics is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The torturing and executions of IRI critics is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

Stoning, Amputation, ghasaas, and other forms of Shaira savagery and torture is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The suppression of religious minorities is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The suppression of ethnic minorities is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The suppression of women's rights is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate. 

The suppression of media and freedom of speech is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

Lack of social justice and equality is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The corruption of the IRI leadership and their looting of Iran's riches is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The mismanagement of Iran's wealth and economy is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

The selling out of Iran's riches and interests to growing neo-imperialists, China, Russia, etc, is undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate.

This list can go on.

In the eyes of ordinary Iranians, the IRI is an undemocratic, unpopular and illegitimate entity that, by the virtue of its exploiting (estesmaari) nature, is surppressing Iran and its great potential for being a more democratic, progressive, prosperous, peaceful and happier country.

Therefore the very act of supporting the IRI is an approval of IRI's illegitimate behavior. Hiding behind democratic values, claims of popularity, anti-imperialistic sentiments, reform, and bankrupt argumentations to legitimize the IRI, is equivalent to turning one's back to the surppressed, brutalized and exploited people of Iran.

The supporters of IRI may directly or indirectly support this regime due to their religious belief, ideology, financial ties, their "khodis" being in positions of power, or any combination of these.

This is however at a tremendous cost to them, the cost of committing treason against the people of Iran.

Learning My ABC's PPS, JR

Please pardon my commenting on this but since the recent discussion on this thread seems to heavily involve ABC, I need to throw this into the mix:

I was just most surprised to discover that ABC after a short  discussion with me on my recent blog, link below, came to the following conclusion: that I have an "immoral, pompous"  "agenda", presumably Reformist, on this website which though insidious is thoroughly transparent to those in the know, and ended by quoting GANDHI???? to me..  Here is the link if you really want to bother

//iranian.com/main/blog/rosie-t/i-want-ride-bicycle-park-north-tehran

My point:  eihter ABC is right about me or he is is...confused.  Please take this opinion of mine into consideration in your further dialog with him.

Rosie

PS ABC, I find your defamatory claims about me particularly disturbing since you wrote them while knowing perfectly well that I was in the process of drafting an EXTREMELY complex and time-consuming reply to a brief and sloppily written post you threw at me below on THIS thread.

In the immortal words of the Mahatma, spoken during a hunger strike:  ABC, get with the program. 

PPS JR-joon, NOW do you understand why categorizing people into boxes may be construed as paranoia?