The Islamic Republic of Iran has reached the highest level of illegitimacy. The Illegitimacy is now an evident characteristic of the regime and henceforth can hardly be denied by an increasing majority of people in and out of Iran. Therefore, the Islamic regime, especially its so-called reformist factions, needs activists in the West to prop up the claim of regime’s legitimacy.
Among the various pro-regime cyber-media in the West, Iranian.com is one of the most read websites. Although, it has a secular character, because of its high popularity and openness to any idea cannot escape from the supporters of the IRI.
IRI’s supporters and lobbyists and on this site are three main groups:
--the first group consists of Islamists, either pro Ahmadinejad or not, they are the absolute devotees of Khomeini, the founder of the IRI, and his ideals for an ideal Muslim community, Ummah. Whatever their differences with each others, their writings on this site unmask their of Islamist attitudes; aggression, superstition, anti-democracy, anti- Persianism and anti-non-Muslim culture are their common attitudes. They attack, slander, humiliate and threaten any writer on the site, who rebuts legitimacy of the IRI.
--the second group does not share all traits of the first group; however support the IRI by showing their own ideological or political conviction. They side with the first group in many aspects.
The second group seems to be the teammates of the first group and fulltime staff hired and orchestrated by the institutions of the regime. They are mostly present on the site to do the job. Their job consists of attacking any other thinker who does not tolerate the regime. They incite feeling of nationalism, fear, populism to support the IRI against the “foreign enemy” while attributing feeling of self- deception, immaturity and weakness to people in order to prolong IRI’s parasitic life.
--the third group is a category of regime’s supporters who are supposed to look like “opposition”. This fake opposition consists of some lobby groups, ex-collaborators of the regime and those who have personal interests. They are supposed to neutralise all ideas and activities of the “subversive” opposition.
Although, members of this group mostly live in the West and are enjoying their western lifestyle, paint a rosy picture of daily life in Iran. They come also to the regime's rescues by ignoring or playing down the plight of people. In fact their unconditional supports for the regime go beyond that of some pro-reformists or factions within the regime in Iran. Even protest within the factions of the ruling system sparks their reactions-- Ebadi’s warning of human rights conditions in Iran can be criticised by IRI’s lobby groups in the West.
It is to mention that a segment of the opposition mistakenly considers the second and third group “leftist”. However, the word “leftist” cannot objectively match IRI’s supporters in any circumstances because the regime is in total contradiction with the philosophy of socialism. At best, these IRI’s supporters or lobbyists are “lumpans”, sold members of an antagonistic class to a reactionary regime like the IRI, as Marxist theory of “deception” describes. In fact, they prove a “false consciousness” which irrationally leads them to support one of the most anti-socialist regimes.
IRI’s supporters, malignly or roughly, convinced or self-sold, propagate a series of pro-IRI views which deem to determine people’s passivity. Either religious or ideological, and so on, they attempt to patch up the fate of Iran and Iranians with the further survival of the IRI. This fatalism is to be imposed to all Iranians and especially on other thinkers.
In this perspective, sensitive issues like the military attack on Iran, economic sanctions on Iran, US invasion of Iraq and precarious sovereignty of Iran (initially violated by the regime itself) and IRI’s nuclear progamme are their major issues “Ottoman’s shirt” to insist on IRI’s survival while totally camouflaging the non-Iranian, barbaric and vile characters of this regime.
The second and third group rarely raised the problem of human rights in Iran. Even so, they parrot baseless claims that human rights, democracy, and social justice are improving under the IRI. IRI’s lobbying activists argue that the main factors for economic problems, increasing gap between social classes and human rights violations are not due to the IRI’s mismanagement, class character, and Islamist brutality, but rather the pressure of the West, immaturity of people and resistance from the victims of the regime. They suggest tolerance, patience and acceptance toward the regime.
IRI’s Achilles’ heel is its record of human rights violations. By arguing that all ills of Iran come from any factor but the regime itself, all IRI’s supporters are at the first place supposed to highlight the external factors and western coercive policies as the normal reasons of IRI’s atrocity.
IRI’s supporters on Iranian.com misuse the democracy on the site to support the undemocratic Islamic regime in Iran. Their message concludes baseless and dehumanising condemnation of all other thinkers on the site. They implicitly come to the following conclusion: since the West is the main enemy of “Iran’ (the IRI), any material on this site against the regime automatically parallels with a ploy of “anti-Iranian” enemy. Therefore, any protest toward IRI’s legitimacy deserves legitimate punishment of “traitor”.
Religious or secular, under original or fake name and avatar, aggressive or demagogue, these three groups attempt to blame, slander and weaken the true opposition to the ruling clerical regime.
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Oh come now, Zion, ALWAYS?
by Rosie T. on Fri Jun 20, 2008 03:09 PM PDT". It is alwaus the left that provides the phase shift for ideological savagery by pretending to be progressive. Once the purpose is served they inevitably give way to purer forms like Nazism , Stalinism or Islamism."
The organization of the grape pickers did NOT come from the Left??? Cesar Chavez? Of the migrant sharecroppers? Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath"? Of the misery, the MISERY of the exploited factory workers under the WORST. most dehumanizing excesses of rampant Capitalism imaginable under the Robber Barons? Upton Sinclair, "The Jungle'? These organizers were not LEFT ?? They were NOT progressive? They had a huge, insidious propaganda machine? Where is the Nazism? The Stalinism? Union organization from the LEFT has been one of the greatest foundations of ANY real democracy that we have had in the U.S. in the 20th century. (And I KNOW how corrupt the Union leaders became LATER, but that is not the POINT and anyway it CERTAINLY didn't lead to Fascism or Stalinism).
And the U.S. anticolonialist? When? In 1776? During the Boston Tea Party? My god, they took half of Mexico in the Mexican-American War.
And ISRAEL ANTI-colonialist? I KNOW you've read Herzl, I am SURE you've read Herzl. My god, when he breathed the first BREATH of Zionism, he was already promising the European powers a colonial outpost in the Middle East, with the most advanced technologies of the day and futuristic cities to sustain it. To anyone, to EVERY colonialist ruler in Europe. Even to the Czar. Or am I misrembering? ISRAEL ANTI-colonialist? When? You can even leave the PALESTINIANS out of the discussion and Israel would STILL be founded and sustained on Coloniasm. Why does the US give them so much MONEY? To weave baskets?
India, okay. But the US and Israel ANTI-colonialist??!! What am I missing here? Help me, please! I'm lost.
Come out from behind your covers
by Anonymous-3000 (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 02:59 PM PDTWho is Zion? Who is Fred? They seem to have an abundance of time to scour this site and put in their two cents almost on a daily basis. If this site is infiltrated by the IRI-agents, as Mr. Rashidian seems to claim, then why isn’t it also true that it is infiltrated by the agents of Israel, the CIA, the FBI, the MKO, and other anti-IRI interest groups? If we are to out the pro-IRI posters then why not the others? The CIA reportedly made over 300 edits on Wikipedia only last year. Do you not think that this site with its large Iranian readership is not monitored by the CIA and the FBI? If conspiracy theories are a hallmark of the left as Zion claims then what do you call this post, with all the usual right-wing thugs coming out of woodworks shedding crocodile tears for Iran? It’s a conspiracy, shouts Rashidian; this site is being overrun by the agents and stooges of the IRI. Frankly, even a cursory look suffices for any observer to note that it’s the other way around. I challenge you to switch back on the main page and look at the content and see for yourself if I’m not correct, instead of engaging in yet another pointless repetition of your so-called beliefs.
p.s.
Mr. Zion, the Zionist movement was heavily socialist (specifically the Eastern European Jews as opposed to Central European ones) and even to this day has maintained some of that colour. The American Jews were heavily socialist and Marxist. The right in the US used to call Bolshevism a Jewish conspiracy. You must be a Likdnic, dude, with your anti-Communist bile. Likud by the way, as late Eric Hobsbawm used to say (a left-wing Jew himself. Yes, they exist), is closer to Fascism. I guess each to his own way.
Twilight zion?
by Niloufar Parsi on Fri Jun 20, 2008 02:56 PM PDTZion,
did you just call Israel a 'successful anti-colonialist movement'? And you are asking me to read more?
Thanks for the humour Zion! It really made me laugh. I was quite used to seeing gymnastics with the truth by the children of Zion, but, I never saw one who would call a racist colonialist movement 'anti-colonial. Some imagination you got there!
And FYI: any social development that is worth talking about in the West was achieved by the socialists. US history is distinct from all this (and largely irrelevant up to the end of the 19th century), and the Republican party was anti-slavery from the beginning and quite sound on several fronts.
Don't try to reduce the history of political thought in the world to some peculiarity of the US. But this tends to be the norm in American political discourse. Hence your simplistic aversion to the 'left'.
Peace!
Zion / Salar
by Jahanshah Rashidian on Fri Jun 20, 2008 02:47 PM PDTZion: Thanks for your long comments and the discussion you added to my piece. It is more important in our case to focus on the plague of the IRI than widening our ideological gaps, which ultimately serves to the IRI.
I have not yet developed my political ideals. In a free Iran, I will vote for a republic and in a democratically elected parliament, I prefer a majority of Social Democracy. These better fit my ideals about secularism, democracy, humanism and social justice.
Until then, the common goal is to get rid of the IRI.
Salar: You said, "If this site respects democracy and human rights, it should not allow for these criminals to freely operate here and advocate for their criminal activities."
What place has the IRI achieved in our conscience? The IRI has all characters of a fascist regime; to develop your discussion, there is no legal place for the propaganda for Nazis or their apologists in the German democratic media.
It is time to ponder on this discussion in the name of democracy.
Mammad, 1- No one
by Farhad Kashani on Fri Jun 20, 2008 02:32 PM PDTMammad,
1- No one ever denied that the IRI is smart, I said it many times, IRI regime is much smarter than U.S, European, Arab and other countries politicians. No doubt about that. Obviously, as we can see on this site, it has managed to fool a tiny minority of Iranians too. The only politician that has understood the nature of the IRI is Putin. That’s why he took 37% of Iran’s right in the Caspian Sea, has plundered Iran’s oil and gas industry, and uses the mullah regime in its feud against the West. Credit needs to go for Putin.
2- IRI has absolutely bought people in the West. Didn’t you hear about the California businessman who got arrested in NJ airport while coming back to the U.S for selling arms and night vision equipment to Iran? That’s just one example.
IRI must be given lot of credit for its ability to make enemies out of the vast majority of its people and the vast majority of people and governments around the world, and still be able to survive. The secret of their success is 2 things: A- They use Mafia tactics in not leaving any evidence behind, and they use that extremely clever. B- They have absolutely no hesitation in using never before seen cruelty and brutality to further their agenda, domestically and internationality.
IRI might not care too much about what people write on this site, (and that’s a big might), but certainly the non-Iranians who read this site do. We need to make it clear to the world whether we are pro or against this regime. If we are anti, they except us to do something about it, if not, they will. And if we are pro, well, that expectation won’t even be there.
The usual crowd of Mr. Rashidian is the majority of Iranian public opinion, inside and outside of Iran.
Your points:
i: we weren’t born yesterday. There is clear difference between someone who opposes military attack against Iran (Like myself, Mr. Rahidian and others), and someone who claims to be against military attack against Iran, to victimize the Iranian regime and bash the U.S.
ii: The IAEA clearly, numerous times, stated that Iran is not cooperating and not giving all the information we need. This is not hard to understand my friend. If Iran is engaged in peaceful nuclear activity, why doesn’t it provide all the information the IAEA needs? That’s common sense, isn’t it? Can’t you see that the regime is dangerously misusing and abusing the incompetence of International organizations such as the IAEA?
iv: the threat that the IRI represents, is not just against the Iranian people. This is not about democracy in Iran. The world understands that the regime is trying to spread an ideology of hatred and violence through mafia like tactics. Mammad, do not ever, and I mean ever, expect the world to sit down like a dummy and pretend, since the IRI is to clever to leave evidence behind, and uses puppet Islamic fundamentalist group to wage proxy wars against other nations, that they do not understand the nature of the regime. Yes it took the world almost 30 years to realize, the world did act like a dummy, and the IRI was smart enough to fool lot of people, but that is changing, and is changing rapidly, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Bush. The only thing about Bush is that he has been the most outspoken about it, and since the guy doesn’t know how to speak, everything he said has been interpreted differently.
v: since you agree, to my amazing surprise, that human rights are being violated in Iran, what should Iranians concern themselves about more at this extremely vital point in our history, Iranian human rights violations or Palestinian ones? When one of you guys write an article on this site, which is called Iranian.com, not Palestinians.com, bashing Israel, U.S and other countries and defending Palestinian rights, and at the end of the article, maybe, and that’s a big maybe, write half a sentence about human rights in Iran, you think audiences are dumb enough not realize what the real issue is here and what you guys’ priorities are? The audience are mature enough to realize that there are some people here who have extreme blind hatred for the U.S. Criticizing bush is one thing, but when some of you guys write an article that supposedly criticizes Bush and go on to bash everything about the U.S including their eating and sexual habits, then again, people are way smarter not to realize what’s going on there.
It’s childish to call someone an IRI agent or an Israeli agent. But some of us act as if were in actuality one of those two. I don’t agree with name calling, but some of the things that are written in this site are destructive to the cause of democracy in Iran, and any, and I mean any, attempt by that tiny minority to speak on the Iranian people behalf to give the impression to the world that Iranians are pro the fascist regime in Iran, will be immediately rejected. So yes, we will speak and we will speak loud, just like you guys spoke loudly for the last 50-60 years resultining in the destruction of our country.
vii: I’m a progressive and I support Mr. Rashidian because he is a true Iranian intellect who cares about his country and has correctly, like most Iranians, stepped on his emotions and correctly identified the problems with Iran and its socio political structure. Whats your point? If some of you guys really think outside the box and start reading some of the articles on this site that talking about AIPAC, and Israel, and ..all those conspiracy theories and just realize how absurd and immature and cliché oriented they sound, you’ll be surprised.
viii: I said those things before. Lets do this: explain to me how we can find out what the majority of Iranians believe in? Obviously, through the grace of the regime in Iran, no one is able to do a public opinion poll in Iran, so if reading Iranian newspapers, Iranian websites, watching Iranians TV stations broadcasting from all over the world, listening to radio stations, talking to Iranian intellects, talking to Iranians inside and outside of Iran and to the average Iranian, read publications, read newspapers and books and magazines published in Iran itself, read auto biographies of people who have experienced the horror of the regime, read between the lines of some of the things the regime’s own officials say from time to time, look at numbers and facts and figures on where Iran stands today, and finally, use our own common sense, ..are not tools of measuring public opinion of Iranians inside and outside of Iran, then what are? What are the mechanisms you want to suggest to accurately measure that public opinion of Iranians?
AnonymousBabak1, yes, you
by Farhad Kashani on Fri Jun 20, 2008 02:31 PM PDTAnonymousBabak1, yes, you blew my cover, I’m a “Zionist agent”.
STOCKHOLM SYNDROME
by Anonypishi (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 02:25 PM PDTSetiz jaan, You are quite right. Unfortunately, so many are palgued by it.
I have found Iranians as idiotic as Americans. Iranians saw picture of Khomeini on the Moon. Americans keep finding Jesus on Toasts or French Fries.
Influences
by Zion on Fri Jun 20, 2008 02:14 PM PDTTrue/False
Yes indeed. Thanks for bringing that up. It is always the left that provides the phase shift for ideological savagery by pretending to be progressive. Once the purpose is served they inevitably give way to purer forms like Nazism , Stalinism or Islamism. I recommend reading Hayek to study the dynamics of this. The leftist grip on propaganda is phenomenal, and hard to recover from. This article itself suffers from conspiracy theory which is a result of the influence of leftist mentality. Conspiracy theoretical view of events, whether in form of pseudo-scientific garbage like historicism or in more mundane and direct forms of actual conspiracy theories, is hallmark of leftism, and its natural historical consequences.
Niloufar,
It was the 'left' that extended the vote to the poor (first) and women (later) and yesterday's slaves (even later).
Really? I suggest you read more. Besides America which is the first modern democracy and free market state, the only other successful anti-colonialist movements were those of India and Israel,and semi-successful in Iran both in the constitutional revolution, modernization as well as the nationalization of oil. None were leftist and all were hated by the left at the time or even till now. All other leftist anti-imperialist movements have led to catastrophies far worse than imperialism. Slavery? Both Lincoln and Martin Luther King were members of the Republican party. So goes with women, economy, religious freedom... .
Read more please.
Mr. Rashidian
by anonymouss098 (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 01:36 PM PDTThe moslems (mosalmans) can not thank individuals like you enough for binding their community together.
When non-moslems (na-mosalman) people like you attack Iran and the religion of it's people, you create a hatred against na-mosalmans and their intention to destroy the religion of Islam in Iran.
We, the moslem majority are watching people like you. For years we listened to you people, who when confronted by non-Iranians, calling yourselves any other name but Iranian.
You say that the so called Islamists are "anti-non-Muslim" where in fact it is people like you who constantly attack moslems and their religion.
Who knows, you probably mean good, but you just don't have what it takes to say the right thing and everytime you post an article you make it worse.
Appeal
by Anonymous desirous (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 01:34 PM PDTI am tired and homesick and wanna go home, but neither can i find a job there nor can i afford a decent life there. I read that an apartment in northern tehran goes for $6M, Holy Cow!
And all that you say are not gonna turn into any pant for Fatima (in harfaa vaaseh faati tommoun nemisheh, agar ham besheh beh in zodihaa nemisheh)!
abc
by Jahanshah Rashidian on Fri Jun 20, 2008 01:00 PM PDTIn the stage of our natinal plight, you developed a widely expected point: "We definitely need a site that will take a moral stand against the criminal leadership in IRI. Look at how many websites are out there in the US against the criminal regime of Bush et al exposing the whole bush-cheney cabal??"
Dear Mehran
by Jahanshah Rashidian on Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:31 PM PDTNice to see your comments again. It is a good idea to isolate pro-regime propganda mediated by the mentioned IRI's supporters or their likes.
We have more dellusionary, naive and unware sympathisers than IRI's mediators on this site. This difference more encourages us to speak up the hideous face of the Mullahs' regime.
Expand your horizon
by Azam (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:22 PM PDTThe only intelligent person with the correct understanding of the site is the "mey bokhor" person.
I hate monarchy but am neither old nor out of touch and with 129 IQ and a graduate degree, I consider myself pretty damn smart.
I want democracy and the will of people to rule not only my homeland but nay other land for that matter. The person who wrote the boring article, is one of those Iranians who is not intelligent enough to realize we are as diverse as our motherland and posses different political views and beliefs. This man automatically assumes if some hates monarchy, is pro IRI. If someone write that despite the restriction Iranian women have accomplished so much and continue to fight for more rights, then that writer is pro IRI.
Jahanshah, get a life and expand your horizon. I am a proud Iranian and lived under the ruling of the son of the bitch. I went to college during his time and before I left I paid 47,000 toman to the ministry of education so I would not owe him anything. I am willing to et I was the only person who did it. Let me tell you that in my time I knew one law graduate and she was given a desk job Why don't you go and ask Iranians who live in Iran (or better yet, go and talk to the people living there) so you can see how many women lawyers, doctors, professors, and so on are in Iran. Do you have to be a rocket scientist to understand that if this regime wanted to block these women they could? After 8 years of war with Iraq and years of sanctions, you should go and see how roads are safer and there are so may programs in place. I do not want Theocracy but as an average Iranian I saw with my own eyes how far women have come. Among my cousins I was the only girl who finished high school and went to college but now the children of those cousins are nuclear scientist, lawyers, university professors, chemists.
To anti-vatnforoush: Take a
by Anonymous50 (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:19 PM PDTTo anti-vatnforoush:
Take a look at this news item of the Reuters and tell us who is "vatan-fourhs"?
خبرگزاری رویتر طی گزارش مشروحی گفت: اپوزیسیون ایران روز چهارشنبه اعلام كرد رژیم ایران تهدید كرده است گفتگوهای مربوط به برنامه اتمی ایران را به بنبست می كشاند مگر اینكه اتحادیه اروپا همچنان نام اپوزیسیون ایران را در لیست سازمان های ممنوعه حفظ كند. سازمان مجاهدین خلق ایران در یك نبرد حقوقی 7ساله در ماه گذشته وقتی كه یك دادگاه استیناف بریتانیا مركب از 3 قاضی ارشد به نفع آن رأی داد به پیروزی رسید. در این جریان، 3 قاضی مذكور، تقاضای دولت انگلیس علیه حكم قبلی دادگاه مبنیبر اشتباه بودن ممنوعیت این گروه را به چالش كشیدند.
رویتر افزود: محمد محدثین اعلام كرد رژیم ایران از همه اهرمهای دیپلوماتیك و اقتصادی برای جلوگیری از اجرای حكم دادگاه استفاده كرده است. طرح این رژیم این است كه تظاهر كند اگر نام مجاهدین از لیست خارج شود شانس موفقیت مذاكرات اتمی بسیار كاهش مییابد. وی افزود من امیدوارم كه رژیم ایران در این معامله كثیف موفقیتی بهدست نیاورد. محدثین اضافه كرد رژیم ایران بطور خاص فرانسه را هدف قرارداده است و ملاقاتهای بیشماری با دیپلومات های فرانسوی در تهران و پاریس برگزار كرده است.
خبرگزاری آسوشیتدپرس نیز گزارش داد: سازمان مجاهدین خلق ایران در یك كنفرانس مطبوعاتی بروكسل اعلام كرد رژیم ایران به دنبال جلب حمایت فرانسه است تا نام این سازمان را در لیست تروریستی اتحادیه اروپا نگه دارد. سازمان مجاهدین می گوید حكم دادگاه انگلستان تصمیم سال2002اتحادیه اروپا برای گنجاندن نام این سازمان در لیست تروریستی را بی اعتبار كرده است. در حال حاضر رژیم تهران روی فشار به فرانسه متمركز است تا مانع لغو این نامگذاری شود.
روزنامه هرالد تریبیون بین المللی نیز ضمن درج گزارشی نوشت: در كنفرانس مطبوعاتی بروكسل، ژان پیر اسپیتزر، وكیل فرانسوی سازمان مجاهدین گفت، پس از حكم دادگاه انگلستان كه دولت را مجبور به لغو نامگذاری تروریستی مجاهدین كرده است، اتحادیه اروپا نیز مجبور خواهد بود نام مجاهدین را از لیست حذف كند.
هرالد تریبیون افزود: حامیان مجاهدین خلق می گویند مداركی دارند مبنی بر این كه رژیم ایران چندین ملاقات با دیپلومات های فرانسوی انجام دادند تا آنها را متقاعد كنند خواهان حفظ نام مجاهدین در لیست تروریستی شوند.
G. Rahmanian
by Jahanshah Rashidian on Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:08 PM PDTThans for your support. As you described, "It is not the majority of Iranians who are intolerant and disrespectful of each other, it is the laws of the land that enforce and promote intolerance, division and hatred."
The IRI is not reformable but solely rejectable in its entirety. Those who have mission or illusion to water down this latter, serve consciously or unconsciously the regime.
construction vs revolution
by reformist (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:05 PM PDTزنده باد جنبش اصلاحات
زنده باد ساختمان نهادهای سياسی
زنده باد ديالوگ
what?
by shirazie (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:03 PM PDTFreedom of Speech dude.. have you ever heard of it?
Let me Guess you work for the Homeland In security in Santa Monica and you are from an Iranian Ethnic Group.
Iranians Need IRI like - the Blacks needed Apartheid. The also do not need person like you.
The Whites still have the right to talk about Apartheid.
The disguised enemies of Iran are screaming!
by anti-vatanforoush (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:21 AM PDTthe true enemies of Iran are those who disguise themselves as 'delsouz' who care about the country but in reality all they do is to demonize our country to pave the psychological way for an attack on it.
Do not have any doubt that these enemies of the Iranian nation are paid agents who are working systematically for their satanic purpose: to demonize Iran.
For sure the IRI is a bad regime but there are many worse options to it: look at what has happened to Iraq and Afghanistan...
These disguised enemies of Iran want to pave the way for the same destiny of destruction and abduction for Iran and that is all they are striving for. Once the country is destroyed and their foreign masters are happy they become: 'mission accomplished'.
It is good that the Iranians living abroad are gradually coming to their senses of knowing these 'vatanforoush' agents.
If you see their screams of being annoyed that people are not buying their lies and they start accusing everyone of being agents of IRI and other nonsenses, it is because: they are mad that Iranians have recognized them as foresworn agents and true enemies of IRAN.
Dear Rosie / Farhad Kashani / Fred / Samsam / Mammad / Irandokht
by Jahanshah Rashidian on Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:19 AM PDTRosie: I certainly admire and beleive in your love for Iran and Iranian culture. If you want to improve your Persian, I am proudly one of your helpers.
Farhad: thanks for your support. I learn from your writings a lot.
Fred: We both have a common personality trait: sober in writing while greatful in act. I remember your support for important issues despite some non-important political differences.
Samsam; I share your views concerning " Regime -e- Eshghalgar..."
Mammad : Although, I agree with most points you elequently describe on this site, but you do not always conclude elquently fair. I do not generlise, but reduced these three groups to three little minorities with a great hyperactivity.
Irandokht: I am sure I did not allude anything in anytime to you. I even do not know that some accused you of siding with IRI's supporters. I did not see this allegation in your writings, especially in your comment on my French article (Hijab islamique).
The war or blind economic sanction on Iran were not my topics in this piece, however you can see my related writings to realise how vehemently I reject them.
Dear Rosie / Farhad Kashani / Fred / Samsam / Mammad / Irandokht
by Jahanshah Rashidian on Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:15 AM PDTRosie: I certainly admire and beleive in your love for Iran and Iranian culture. If you want to improve your Persian, I am proudly one of your helpers.
Farhad: thanks for your support. I learn from your writings a lot.
Fred: We both have a common personality trait: sober in writing while greatful in act. I remember your support for important issues despite some non-important political differences.
Samsam; I share your views concerning " Regime -e- Eshghalgar..."
Mammad : Although, I agree with most points you elequently describe on this site, but you do not always conclude elquently fair. I do not generlise, but reduced these three groups to three little minorities with a great hyperactivity.
Irandokht: I am sure I did not allude any thing in any time to you. I even do not know that some accused you of siding with IRI's supporters. I did not see this allegation in your writings, especially in your comment on my French article (Hijab islamique).
The war or blind economic sanction on Iran were not my topics in this piece, however you can see my related writings to realise how vehemently I reject them.
JR, Jammy, everybody
by Rosie T. on Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:25 AM PDTI am writing an article about this very thing. This website can be harnessed as the singlemost greatest vehicle in the WORLD for uniting the expat community to create REAL change in Iran and the world. And I will do EVERYTHING humanly possibe to help make that be so. And I mean EVERYTHING.
But JR, please, no more accusations about mozdoors.
Khamoosh, back to the sangria,
"Your" Rosie :o)
Observations...
by Setiz (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:00 AM PDTIt is not so difficult to see that proponents of IRI commenting on this site are out of proportions. The latest polling indicated that support for the regime is less that 15% within iran, and even less if we reason that some of those 15% indicated support for IRI out of fear. In iran, one rarely encounters people who support the regime or even the revolution at this point. The supporters of the revolution and the regime can be divided into:
(1) Those who have financial ties to the regime -- these include the recently migrated second generation hezbollahis, likes of children of rafsanjani.
(2) Those brainwashed into hardcore islamists who deeply believe in what mullas preach.
(3) Those with Stockholm Syndrome.
(4) Those with deep-rooted hatred for monarchy, mostly survivors of 1970s. This group mostly lives outside iran and have not much empathy for or understanding of the daily difficulties of iranians inside iran. They are consumed by their old ideology and frankly are too old to learn from experience. They are not willing to admit errors in supporting iranian revolution or what followed lest their position is shattered.
But none of this matters indeed. As iranians within iran are the ones who face the regime on a daily basis and learn how to hate the regime albeit at a high price, and they are the ones who will ultimately overthrow/change the regime once its atrocities have reached the critical mass and offset the brute force of blind religiosity, wealth, and power. It is not so difficult to find people who insisted on opening your eyes to islam by taking you to a midnight religious sermon ("ahya") some 20 years ago, now coming out and asking you if you want to go for a private nightcap with their assorted collection of wines and liquor!
IranDokht/ALL: I firmly believe my posts have been on topic
by Rosie T. on Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:20 AM PDTand believe you me ID, I am VERY considerate of this thread. I told JR for example that he should listen to what you had to say to him and I told Mammad we would continue our discussion here since it is basically the same topic as before when our thread was closed and this website MUST be used to establish strong relationships among the posters and Mammad didn't have a contact button. And anyway your beautiful wounded nation is waiting for you because only you can heal your nation's wounds and this thread is as good a place as any to get started. And I
walked around the block after I posted that poem and as fate would have it I saw a woman in burqa and this is very unusual in New York and anyway when syllogisms keep on butting heads wiith other syllogisms perhaps it is time to find a new language and I'm sure at least someone here will understand what I mean if not you and
thanks ID,for your concern about the integrity of this thread, it is admirable, but with all due respect, I strongly disagree that my posts are off-topic.
ALL: No need whatsoever to comment on the poem. No need. Really.
Ayatollah Rosie Tozih
Explanation of Topics
Excellent poem Rosie! you
by anti-vatanforoush (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:29 AM PDTExcellent poem Rosie!
you are an artist and a true IRan-lover.
It is a great joy to see people like you caring about Iran...
and a pity to see vatanforoushs who are born in Iran but only care about lying and serving their satanic purposes of demonizing Iran.
Dear Jamshid
by Jahanshah Rashidian on Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:35 AM PDTExtremist and sectarian sites aside, I have not seen Iranian sites, in a level of Iranian.com's scale of popularity, to rebut materials of IRI's supporters / apologists.
Maybe, Mr. Javid avoid re-engaging himself into politics because of his once regretful experience. However, he does not show sympathy for the regime and its unconditional devotees. We can actively promote his site into a platform of democracy and secularism for Iran despite his non-participation.
I am now visiting my family in LA. See please your email box to get numbers of my relatives in LA.
Kindly
JR
Dear Rosie
by IRANdokht on Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:26 AM PDTPlease be considerate and respectful of the people who are trying to communicate with each other here. Your comments are mostly off-topic, and this one is even double-spaced poem taking up a large space on the page! All the related comments and responses are being pushed out of sight and I for one find it very offensive.
IRANdokht
Thank you. Mola. All: The sangria's ready and
by Rosie T. on Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:19 AM PDTdon't forget, it means blood-letting en espan~ol. JJ wouldn't feature it, would you jj? Don't worry,I'm minding the thread for you and so far so good, actually it's wonderful And after all, poetry is an acquired taste.
NATION
you are tearing
you are tearing
you are torn in two
like your nation
your beautiful nation
you are torn asunder
there are two of you
and it wounds you
so you wound others
to heal those wounds
but the battle
that rages
must be fought in you
because you
only you
can heal your nation's wounds
your beautiful wounded nation
is waitng for you
nation of Haafez
of Forough
nation of nightengale and rose
of koroush
bahaullah
of al-quarezmi
and mossadegh
shirin ebaadi
kiarostaami
nation of you
your beautiful bleeding nation
is waiting for beautiful you
and the final
conflagration
must burn in you
and the forest must succumb
to the flames
and the Light
must triumph
over dark
it is foretold
new growth emergimg
far richer than ever imagined
trees of Faith
trees of Strength
trees of sacred Truth
of branches
reaching out
embracing the world with Light
and the time
it is now
and has always been now
it is here right here
this is your time Iraan
Everything is Sacred
the Sacred is You
Jaavid Iraan
I will never lose Faith in You.
The disguised enemies of Iran are screaming!
by anti-vatanforoush (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:12 AM PDTthe true enemies of Iran are those who disguise themselves as 'delsouz' who care about the country but in reality all they do is to demonize our country to pave the psychological way for an attack on it.
Do not have any doubt that these enemies of the Iranian nation are paid agents who are working systematically for their satanic purpose: to demonize Iran.
For sure the IRI is a bad regime but there are many worse options to it: look at what has happened to Iraq and Afghanistan...
These disguised enemies of Iran want to pave the way for the same destiny of destruction and abduction for Iran and that is all they are striving for. Once the country is destroyed and their foreign masters are happy they become: 'mission accomplished'.
It is good that the Iranians living abroad are gradually coming to their senses of knowing these 'vatanforoush' agents.
If you see their screams of being annoyed that people are not buying their lies and they start accusing everyone of being agents of IRI and other nonsenses, it is because: they are mad that Iranians have recognized them as foresworn agents and true enemies of IRAN.
Zion: I agree..It's
by true/false (not verified) on Fri Jun 20, 2008 09:41 AM PDTZion:
I agree..It's unfortunate but communism and leftism is deeply rooted in the US and is not going anywhere soon.
The Big Lie of the late 20th century was that Nazism was Rightist. It was in fact typical of the Leftism of its day. It was only to the Right of Stalin's Communism. The very word "Nazi" is a German abbreviation for "National Socialist" (Nationalsozialist) and the full name of Hitler's political party (translated) was "The National Socialist German Workers' Party" (In German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei)
Dear JR
by IRANdokht on Fri Jun 20, 2008 09:17 AM PDTYou know that I have the utmost respect for you, but the language of paranoia that I am talking about means exactly what I and many other commenters understood from your article.
Definition:
Paranoia is an exaggerated distrust of others that is not based on fact.
When you group people who do not agree with you and label them as IRI agents and IRI sympathizers, IRI apologists and leftists, you are showing distrust based on your own feelings and not the facts.
Do you really think that by being defensive or offended by your article anyone is proving that they belong to one of those categories?
What you said in your article is not new, many people here have already practiced this name-calling and accusations towards anyone who does not agree with them. People who do not advocate bombing of our country are being slammed as IRI supporters every day. Some are being wrongly accused of being MKO sympathizer and some as neo-cons and AIPAC agents.
Dear JR, some of us have experienced those attacks enough to know what and who you mean to accuse when you write this article.
As naive as some might have called my political views (or me), I am not a follower. I hear the different ideas, views and reasonings and I make up my own mind based on what I think I want for myself and for my country.
I may agree with you about certain subjects, Jamshid and Amil about something else, and I do agree with Q and Sadegh on some other issues. It doesn't mean that I think any of you guys is 100% right 100% of the time! and I do not follow any of your parties/organizations etc... it only means that I hear everyone's view and judge for myself if it sounds reasonable and true.
I still have not heard how you are planning on defending the oppressed in our country. Are you planning on doing that by supporting the sanctions that are making the people suffer while strengthening the IRI government? or are you defending Iranians by advocating an Israel/US military attack of the so-called nuclear sights even though it means the destruction of a few cities and their population?
At least I know what NIAC and CASMII are working towards, but I haven't heard any real and acceptable idea from the ones who keep slamming these groups. It sure sounds like the only political activism of some of our dear intellectuals is focused on stopping others who are more clear about what their intentions are and are busy fighting for Iran.
In any case, to me the key is being able to hear what others have to say without prejudice. By quickly sticking a label on people and shutting them up, I would only show how unfair and closed minded I am and that would disappoint myself the most.
When so many of our educated intellectual Iranians practice this type of behavior, any hope for a better future for our country seems far-fetched.
regards,
IRANdokht