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Zion you are not a victim

Last time I checked you are not the victim. You seem to be a religious person so
1-all I am saying is that it's hateful and rude for one who is religious himself to criticize another religion. I am not religious and can say anything I like, I could say Muhammad is an idiot, then I can go on and say Muses is a pimp. Now I have made my position clear that I am against the religious institutions. You are saying that YOU are superior than Muslims. That's stupid and racist.
2-Iranians Jews are Iranian first, they have a culture and THEN religion, so they could be Jewish, Muslim or Christian. You, a non Iranian, are just a Jew. Without it you are lost. That might be the reason behind the Iranian Jews in Israel getting herrassed all the time and some even discriminated against. Most of my buddies who left Israel talk about all the jokes and attitudes that Europeans Jews empty on them. So don't ever compare that shit hole with Iran. Sorry, but that's how it is and how it goes. That's why some Iranian Jews (Kalimi) have risked their lives to come back to their home.

3-Your problem is that you want to demonize Iran the same way that you act in the religious arguments. If you want to be pro justice, then you talk about Iran and ALSO Israel. Then we can talk. You can't be one dimensional and be right. do you get my point? If not, read this again, otherwise too bad.

My response to you

Kamran,

I am proud to be called by you a representative of a regime who served the free world for 35 years and stood to repressive Russia in middle East.
Moreover Joojeh Communists like you and Frau Ulrich know very well that in furtre democratic Iran the communists will fall short of necessary votes in elections in order to take part in politics. That is why communists are so much against foreign intervention by USA. Am I not right?

Javid Shah

Anonymous4now

what do you know about me so that you can say you expect me to understand or you don't expect me to understand?? You are making shit up as you go along. this is perfect since you don't understand the difference between fact and opinion.

when will U apologize for that!!!!

You are right Xerxes

After all , how can any Jew hope to be `allowed` in a place without first proving his/her honesty by exposing the manifest perfidy that is Jewishness ( I meant to say Zionism...sorry but I can`t change my `nature`. It just comes out like that, as the unsung hero of truth, logic and freedom, the glorious Q, had already observed. ) Here a confession in pictures, just for you:

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(Nice to see you giving a break on teaching us about the intricacies of female sexual organs, by the way.)

Anonymous8

I wouldn't expect you to understand the intricacies of the discussions involved here but here is the point.

Lady Elizabeth is playing the professional opinions of two extremely well researched and informed scholars against each other, with some quotations from Tabari, to conclude that Shafa, a "worthy scholar" “was a paid minister of the imperial court and a court historian.” 

Shafa references both Toynbee and Tabari.  And that’s the kicker. 

Over all though, it sounds like you hate everybody on this site.  Why do you come back fro more of the same?   

"agenda" hahaha

that is comic coming from anyone on this site. what's your agenda?
everybody either hates IRI or hates the Shah.

"no one is demonizing muslims"

are you BLIND??? this just gets funnier and funnier.

Correction to my previous post

Shahfa references 100 sources and not almost 300 as I specified before.

Dear Elizabeth M. Molchany

Thank you for the detailed and informative response to my post.   

You were doing great until, literally, the last sentence.  Shafa, as you acknowledged, is a great scholar and in his work that I cited he uses about 300 sources.  What does anything I have quoted from him have anything to do with the fact that “he was a paid minister of the imperial court and a court historian.”  Doesn’t everyone get paid for what they do?  Don't you?  

It seems to me you may have an agenda? 

There is much debate on the

There is much debate on the subject of Zoroastrian conversion to Islam. Mary Boyce is but one voice among many authoritative voices on the subject. Another renowned scholar, Arnold Toynbee, claims it was the corruption among the Zoroastrian nobility that paved the way for the ready conversion to Islam. [i]. While Boyce writes: "[T]he Zarathushties still lived in millions in Iran in the 10th century. During the ninth century they had been able to bring about a renaissance in literature and science in Islamic Iran. Many Zarathushti religious books were also written during this century, which form a great part of religious studies today. In Khorasan and Northern Iran Zarathushties stilled lived upto the sixteenth century but with the attack of the Moguls - Taimur Lang and Changis Khan we loose trace of them. "" However, Taimur Lang's period span from 1336-1405, and Changis Khan was thought to have been born on 1162. The historiography referring to the genocide Taimur Lang and Changis Khan incorrect. In her book 'A Persian Stronghold of Zoroastrianism'[ii], Mary Boyce writes:

"It is a cause of keen regret to me that is impossible to write about the Zoroastrians of Yazd without casting the Moslems in the role of villains".

Al-Tabari (Letter to the Persians 633 and Isfahan 642 )[iii] suggests harsher and heavier jizya was levied on Iranians. In addition to paying taxes, "the non-Muslim had to guide the Muslim traveler for one night, keep his road in repair, lodge him for a day and night, and provide the walker with a mount for one stage.". "Do not assert your authority over any Muslim". [I}f anyone insults a Muslim he will be severely punished for it. If he strikes a Muslim we shall kill him.". This document is supposed to have been written and witnessed by Abdallah ibn Qays, Abdallah ibn Warqa, and Isma ibn Abdallah.

It is not possible to authenticate the accuracy of this document and the feasibility of the presence of the three abovementioned witnesses. On the assumption that al-Tabari's text had some legal basis, it would lend support to the harsh treatment of Zoroastrians. Indeed, the expectations of the Muslim conquerors to provide for lodging and mount far exceeds the capacity of the poor who would not be in a position to provide such accommodation. If on the other hand, they converted to Islam, they would not be expected to provide such extravagant levies. Better to accept the new religion than to lose a life. This could explain the ease of conversion to Islam among the poor. This may be but one explanation as to why historians declare that the Arabs converted Zoroastrians at the point of the sword.

However, Arnold Toynbee believes that it was the corruption among the nobility that paved the way for the ease of Islamic conversion[iv]. In 226-242 BCE, Ardeshir, himself a priest, had turned the Sassanid Empire into a theocracy, empowering the clergy. This, together with the nobility abusing their authority, led to a high level of social discontent. This leads scholars to believe that the arrival of Islam was welcomed by the masses which led to their embrace of Islam. It is easy to accept this claim for Islam preached brotherhood, whereas, the Zoroastrian religion differentiated the people into four casts with each social group responsible for given duties (Pahlavi text – Spirit of Wisdom XXVII.33-34)[v].

Patrician Crone, in her article, Zoroastrian Communism, cites the renowned scholar Tabari, who supports the claim that the demise of the Zoroastrians was due to the corruption in the noble ranks. Although Tabari presents us with an image of a Zoroastrian leader, Mazdak, who is likened to a quasi Robin Hood, taking from the rich and giving to the poor, but with a great deal of savagery and bloodshed involved. "He raised a peasant revolt. His followers were the poor, base, weak, and ignoble (al-fugara, al-sifla, al-du, afa, al-ghawgha). They would break into a man's home and take his dwelling, his wives and his property without him being able to prevent them".[vi].

However, corrupt elites were not the core of the Zoroastrian religion, just the deeds of corrupt men. (This bears a remarkable parallel to the pre-revolution period in Iran when the elite exercised an inordinate degree of power and the masses revolted against the head of the State to rid themselves of the ruling classes in favor of a figure-head of Khomeini). The embrace of Islam was the promise of brotherhood, something that had been denied them by their priests and elites. In contrast to the easy conversion to Islam, there is much debate that Islam in 637 EC came with incredible force as well; some state that the Zoroastrians (Persians) were converted at the point of the sword.

Any scholar knows well that one should not limit oneself to a single source, in particular when it comes to historical data. The same is true of citing Sh. Shafa. While a worthy scholar, he was a paid minister of the imperial court and a court historian.

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[i] Toynbee, Arnold J. "A Study of History" New York:Laurel,1965, Vol. 1:445
[ii] Boyce, Mary. "A Persian Stronghold of Zoroastrianism" Ibid.
[iii] Al-Tabari, "Conquest: Letter to the Persians" 633 p.2053 (variants in al-Tabari, i.p.2020; Abu Yusuf, p.85; and Abu Ubayd p.34) –
[iv] Toynbee, Arnold J. "A Study of History" New York:Laurel,1965, Vol. 1:445
[v] Stepaniants, M. "The Encounter of Zoroastrianism with Islam". Ibid.
[vi] Crone, P. Zoroastrian Communism.Comparative Studies in Society and History, Vol. 36, No. 3 (Jul, 1994) pp. 447-462 "S Tabari, Ta'rikh, sec. 1, 886 in Noeldeke, Geschichte, 142"

Shalom Goldman

دست شما درد نکنه٫ خوبه که گفتی ۷۵ سالت هست. ما دیگه چیزی نمیگیم. این مرخرفات رو گفتن یخوردش مال فراموشکاری هست .

اما پدرجان لطفأ نگو جاوید Moses. این Moses شما چندین هزار ساله که رفته اون دنیا٫ اینجوری که حرف میزنی مردم به عقل و تدبیرت شک میکنند. راستش بهت بگم موسی و عیسی و محمد همشون یکی هستند و خیلی با هم فرقی ندارند. بهتره از این به بعد بگی جاوید ایران و صدها هزار سال دیگر جاوید ایران . .

Anonymous8

It looks like you have no idea what you are talking about as to the defamation arguments below and the Islamic arguments. You just want to protect Mr. Q a little bit because it is apparent that he is getting his ass kicked in the argument department.

No one is demonizing muslims. Most of us (including me) are proud muslims. The article below is regarding the origins of the particular brand of Shiisim that is suffocating the rest of the innocent muslims in Iran.

I am a 75 year old Iranian_Jewish Doctor

I used to have an office on Pahlavi street on the corner of Takht'e Jamshid. Now, I am retired and live in New York city. I love all Iranians except the mullahs and their supporters. I think Islam, the mullahs, and their supporters are like the AIDS virus of the world. We need to eliminate this menace by all means. like the .

Javid lord Moses who blesses all non-Muslims.

most Iranians are proud muslims

its a fantasy to think that the majority of the country is anything but devout. these points about islam being a foreign religion is silly. every religion is foreign to every country. france, england, greece, armenia, mexico, america all practice religions that are not native.

there is a current trend in demonizing islam just like there was a trend in demonizing jews in europe. it serves a political purpose for both westerners who need oil and a new global enemy. it erves shahollahis who want their castles back in tehran and they don't care who has to die for it.

don't be fooled. islam is not the problem here. if iranians really didn't like islam, they could switch any time they want. you can't stop 70 million people.

Q you are not Dum....

You are very intelligent but you choose to be ignorant to serve your political goals

"You're not making any sense. Yes, it does constitute a false statement about someone. Fits the definition perfectly. Read the case history I listed. One of the "classic examples" was someone being called a "communist". How is this different? You don't want to believe it, but that's how it is. "

YES I MAKE PERFECT SENSE. PLEASE DO NOT BE IGNORANT HERE. SAYING THAT SORAYA IS ON THE PAYROLL OF THE IRI IS AN OPINION. NOT A FACT (THE INFERENCE IS THAT SHE HAS CHOSEN THEIR SIDE INSTEAD OF THE RATIONAL THINKING SIDE. TAKE IT INTO CONTEXT. ITS A BLOG WITH OPINIONS WHICH INCLUDE ANONYMOUSE OPINIONS. SORAYA KNOWS THIS BEFORE SHE PRESSES THE ENTER BUTTON TO POST HER DUMB BLOG. IRANIAN.COM ALLOWS PEOPLE TO STAY ANONYMOUSE. THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR ANONYMOUSE and NONONONYMOUSE BLOGGERS TO WRITE ALL KIND OF RESPONSES. DO YOU SEE MULTIPLE DEFAMATION LAW SUITES BECAUSE OF WHAT PEOPLE WRITE ON YOUTUBE? NO ONE WILL HIRE SORAYA ANYWAY BECAUSE OF HER EXTREME QUACKY VIEWS. ANYONE CAN SEARCH HER NAME AND FIND HER DUMB ASS ARTICLES. SHE PERHAPS CAN KISS SOME ASS AND GET INTERNSHIP IN SOME LEFTY COLLEGE, MAGAZINE OR SOMETHING.

YOU CAN FILE A CLAIM BUT YOU WILL CERTAINLY LOSE ON SUMMARY JUDGMENT FOR A HOST OF REASONS.

And as to Obama/Osama thing. Did I hurt your feelings? I bet if I made the same statement about our current dumb ass president, you would not give a damn and you would not comment about it.

Please be honest with yourself.

And you still owe an apology to Zion since you were completly wrong on "no one from Iran can read this site".

Dear Zion

I only could agree with you if you could say:
1-I don't care for Zionism
2-Criticize Israeli government (Zionist regime)

Then many of us would be all ears to hear your insights and advice. But if you come here to just push your ideas without having an open mind, then I personally have a problem with that.
For example, if you like to criticize Islam, begin with criticizing religion including yours. Then your arguments become valid for discussion. But if you are all good and your religion is great, Israel holds an special place in your heart and mind, because you are Jewish...Then blast against Islam (Although I would too, but that's not my point)it's just wrong. Since you are not speaking from an open minded person. Israelis are nice people, but many of them have been brainwashed just the same as the Palestinians. So I think if you have Ghods as your avatar, you may need to look at your issues first, since you are in a bigger trouble than Iran. You have a humanistic catastrophe, apartheid state. So you need to deal with that. And we can deal with that here together, as long as you are honest. No one will say anything against you, just because you believe in something. That's the job of those Iranians who are anti Arabs because of their "Aryan" race and Aryan Uber Alles. Otherwise we are all cool. So I hope you are a bit more clear about why some Iranians would feel weird hearing you having those sign criticizing them. That's all

This is a long tale, but let

This is a long tale, but let me just touch it here. The origins of this system is from today`s Lebanon. They represent the legacy of a specific sect of shiism centerd in the hills of southern Lebanon who were `imported` to Iran during the Safavid turkish rule in order to establish a competing religious and ideological hierarchy with that of the Sunni Ottomans. This particular brand of shiism is quite peculiar really. It has always been extremely political and power hungry with direct ideological links to Catholicism and the Catholic churches. Ideological and even marital ties. They only regard your country as a resource for their far off plans of dominence and lust of power. Their brand of religion is extremely domination oriented and in certain respects outright `racist` and there is no violence they find off limits.

Excellent point. And I might add to this end, they have sacrificed and devised a foreign policy that perpetuates not the interest of Iran and Iranian nation but the interest of their own brand of Islam.

Anonymous lover of Iran and Anonymous for now

Thanks for your comments. It is great to hear people like you voice their opinion and stand for the truth. That is why Iran should have hope despite all the mess she is in now.

Shalom Goldman, OK, I believe you, but just one question:

You say you are a "true Iranian-Jew". Yes, of course... I remember you from my uncle's shop at Yusefabad, but couldn't place you exactly. Help me out here, are you with the Esfehani Goldmans or the Tehrani Goldmans?

Esq:

This site is a mixture of people with names, no names and multiple names. Calling someone an idiot or a liar or saying that Soraya is on the payroll of the IRI (even if she is not- with her political stance and views, its the functional equivalent of being on the payroll of the IRI) DOES not constitute Defamation.

You're not making any sense. Yes, it does constitute a false statement about someone. Fits the definition perfectly. Read the case history I listed. One of the "classic examples" was someone being called a "communist". How is this different? You don't want to believe it, but that's how it is.

Especially since Soraya Khanoom is a public personality since she writes in multiple papers and blogs.

Soraya is not a public figure. Public figure has a definition, it's not just your word. The point is will someone who is trying to hire her or give her a job know about her as a "public figure"? The answer is likely no, because she's known only in one small community. Secondly, public figures can also be defamed and slandered. Sorry, Sorya is not running for the President of the United States. Your rediculous analogy fails, but you calling Obama, Osama is just plain hateful.

There is no Malice and there are no damages here.

Have you read some of the comments, including the sexual ones? But malice is not necessary for damages, or defamation. Only a false statement meant to inform others of a lie that hurts her public standing.

That is what OGHDEYEE CHAP people do when they can not win.

You're calling me Oghdeyee? What am I trying to "win"? This sounds a lot more oghdeyee to me, not to mention vile, sexist and malicious. This is what you wrote:

No one would hire her for any serious job anyway. Look at her face for heavens sake. Could you sleep next to that at night?

I'm sorry you are intimidated by women. Read carefully: That's what oghdeyee sounds like. You are desperately grasping at straws trying to say these laws don't apply, when I have given you specific examples that they do. The only explanation is that you yourself are one of the anonymous chickens getting off on slandernig others while hiding your own face like a teenager that you must be.

Now get out of my face, I'm bored with your retarded arguments.

I also notice that you always have to have the last word.

In this case you can have the last word. Go ahead, that's the kind of gracious person that I am. Have fun.

Dear "question",

You sound like a trained CIA or KGB agent. :) What is your real occupation, seriously?

Yes, you have figured me out. Good job. This is my resume:

• 15 years, KGB
• 12 years, CIA
• 25 years, STASI
• 4 years, SS
• 18 years, Hezbollah

From all this intelligence work, secret training and covert ops, I have finally concluded one very valuable thing. If you want to spy on people, and say you want their IP address, the best way to do it would be to ask the owners of the website to publish them!!!

Zion: don't embarass yourself. Go back and read what I wrote again.

We folks, I have to leave the circus now. You have fun for a while.

Daryush

Let me first make one thing clear. I will deliberately not satisfy your perverse curiosity about my origins or what country I am a citizen of.
For the same reason that I would not have given a Nazi officer the satisfaction of `racially` categorizing me if I had lived during that era and I had the choice to do so. It is not relevant to what I say here and it is simply none of your damn business. You should get used to treating people as individual human beings and listen to what they have to say. I definitely do not want you to trust any thing I say before you have analyzed it for yourself, but I also ask you to do the same with every one else too. Just because people happen to be born in your part of the world means nothing. All the massacers and tortures going on inside your country are done by people who are `officially` your country men, were born there and speak that language. The fact that you have chosen to live elsewhere means that you have unconsiously recognized this (unless of course you are a sympatizer and an agent).

I tell you this though. For Jews Israel and Jerusalm have special meaning, it is our origins wherever we happen to find ourselves. That doesn`t mean however that Jews can`t have affections and loyalties to the land they were born. A Jewish dictum from the Bible asks Jews to be a light unto nations, a source if blessing for every people you reside among. (As I said elsewhere this is also what the Hebrew term `Am segula` (usually translated as Chosen Nation) really means. `Segula` is a Hebrew term used for a conduit through which blessing flows.)It is also a Talmudic dictum that Jews must obey the laws of the land they live in and show loyalty to it, unless of course the land rises against them as it did in Germany. These are all in religous lingo and I am not a religous person. Nevertheless they have defined our cultural identity through the ages.
I also tell you this, Jews of Iran have been among the most loyal people to the land of Iran, both compared to other Iranians and to most other Jews regarding their repsective lands. In my experience they have a remarkable affection for Iran and her culture. That is too precious to be torn asunder by the political madness that now has power in Iran, but it could. Don`t you want to help prevent this?
Also remember that Iran ahs always been, since her inception as a political entity 2500 years ago a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural land and all aspects of any true Iranian culture has already been formed in harmony with the tolerance and multiple ethnic, religious and even national ideals of the people that comprise her. By this I mean that your type of chauvinism has its origins not in Iranian culture but in elsewhere. Shiite or modern, I can`t tell.

Why am `I` here? Think of it this way. I am here to give you the point of view your current rulers, and the religous bias you have consiously or unconsciously inherited , never allowed you to hear. I don`t want you to `believe` what I say, I want you to hear it and take it into consideration. To ask of you what Cromwell once asked his compatriots: `I implore you ... think it possible that you might be mistaken.` That`s it.
The regime in Iran has put as all in grave danger, for its blind hatred of Jews and of Israel as well as for its insatiable thirst for power. It feeds from and in its own turn produces disinformation, lies and irrational biases inherited from old times. Why don`t you want to listen for the alternative for change?
I also tell you this. Anonymous Lover of Iran has a very good point. The current regime in Iran is not of Iranian origin. I have seen that many Iranians actually have little knowledge about their actual history. This is a long tale, but let me just touch it here. The origins of this system is from today`s Lebanon. They represent the legacy of a specific sect of shiism centerd in the hills of southern Lebanon who were `imported` to Iran during the Safavid turkish rule in order to establish a competing religious and ideological hierarchy with that of the Sunni Ottomans. This particular brand of shiism is quite peculiar really. It has always been extremely political and power hungry with direct ideological links to Catholicism and the Catholic churches. Ideological and even marital ties. They only regard your country as a resource for their far off plans of dominence and lust of power. Their brand of religion is extremely domination oriented and in certain respects outright `racist` and there is no violence they find off limits.
Iran herself has always been a great ally of Judaism, since her inception, during Achaemenids, Parthians, Sassanids as well as after Islam, whenever she had a link to her original past (like the Samanids)... .
I am also here to tell you that you, as Iran, have a great ally in Israel. Both in the region and worldwide. Israel can provide Iran with the leverage in world politics. Yet today Israel is forced to defend herself against the madness of the regime in Iran. Even here though, Jews and Iranians seem to share a common fate. Again both consitute the greates and most direct victims of this Shiite Islamo-fascim. There is no reason for war between Iran and Israel, but war between the regime in Iran and Israel is unfortunately a real possibility. You want to avoid it? So do I. Listening and opening your eyes beyond the dogmas that you are fed with is a small step in the right direction. Act rational Daryush, ultimately the future belongs only to those who prove they deserve it.

Iranian-: Do you support the

Iranian-: Do you support the Islamic Republic of Iran?

Zion

I am a Muslim Iranian.

'Salam bar hameye hamvatanane aziz va Iran doost'

Even though I am strongly against Zionism and the Ideas Mr/Ms Zion is pushing, I do have some respect for the user 'Zion'. At least he identifies himself and says his ideas that match with his username. In that respect I think that we do need a voice from the other side. I hope that you find the truth of God, and believe me, it does not reside in the Zionist agenda.

For those people who are asking for the picture Zion is presenting, it is the Dome of the Rock/Al-Aqsa Mosque and Temple Mount in the city of Quods (Jerusalem).

Daryush

I am not Zion. Zion can defend himself much better than I can defend him. That is not the point. I just saw another post from Anonymous4now on another blog and it describes you perfectly- "Misinformed". Nothing makes me "uneasy". I am actually laughing at the stupidity of some of the arguments here and your logic. Also, I said that Iran does not exist as a country. There is a Country by the name of IRI which is not IRAN and I am not a citizen of the IRI- I was born in Iran and originally a citizen of Iran (AGAIN NOT THE FUCKIN IRI WHICH IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT). Additionally, I am an American citizen. Does not mean that I agree with anything and everything that America does. But I would rather die for America than for the IRI. Pure and simple.

I have asked you were you are from but you refuse to answer. And by that I mean Citizenship. Maybe a personal conflict for you.

I also asked you, if Mosadegh was alive today, would he recognize the IRI as the legitimate government of Iran. Consider that before using his picture you IRI supporter.

so much racism on this site

its disgusting

"Former KGB agent and

"Former KGB agent and Soviet
by Anonymous3 (not verified) on Wed Feb 13, 2008 01:05 PM CST

"Former KGB agent and Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov explains how the KGB worked from within American universities to demoralize our society in a generation."

The manufacturing of "useful idiots:" a first-hand explanation of how and why they did it, Willi Münzenberg's old weapons of the Cold War are still working.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqlg3Z3ilWs

The Revenge of Marxism

//www.globalpolitician.com/22499-multicultura...

Dariush

I have posted this a couple of times already.  Read this to find out how Iranians have, for 1400 years, tried to remain Iranian, and people like you have accepted defeat and appeasement.  You have to strive to undo all the wrongs and injustices in life, as much as you can, not embrace them because the passage of time has made them tradition.  That would assign no value for human intellect and its propensity for acquisition of new knowledge.    

The greatest myth, which many Iranians have come to accept, created about the fall of the Persian Empire, is that Iranians did not resist the Arab invasion of Iran because they were tired of their depleted religion of Zoroastrianism and accepted Islam with open arms. 

Mary Boyce, in “Zoroastrianism, Its Antiquity and Constant Vigor”, writes: In 651, nearly 15 years after the first major Arab victory, an Arab army appearing in this Seistan for the first time, fought a fierce battle against Iranians in which more Arabs fell than Iranians.  Negotiations led to an agreement in which freedom of worship was guaranteed in return for tributes paid out twice, yearly.   In other places, many sacred fires were extinguished and Arabs harassed Zoroastrians out of religious zeal.  Fierce proselytizing is well documented for the north-east, where in the late Seventh century the Arab armies were commanded by the devout but ruthless Qutaiba. The local history of Bukhara records how he established Islam among its Citizens “with much difficulty.  He…made (their own religion) difficult for them in every way … He imposed the religious laws (of Islam) on them.  He built mosques and eradicated traces of unbelief and the precepts of the fire worshipers.   The poor were bribed to attend Friday prayer and Moslems were put into Zoroastrian homes to keep a constant surveillance on them.  The well to do who lived outside of the city walls were subjected to mob intimidations.   “Yet some Iranians still write of the collapse of Zoroastrianism at the coming of Islam, with all sorts of reasons suggested for it.  In fact the Iranian religion never collapsed, but survives to this day through the courage and tenacity of generations of its adherents.”   

Sir Percy Sykes, in “History of Iran” writes:  It is clear that in the tenth century AD the population of Zoroastrians in Fars was in the majority and in the central regions of Khorasan there were large numbers of people of the Zoroastrian faith.  From my own (Sir Percy Sykes) research and findings the villagers of the regions of the northwest had not yet converted to Islam, till the 19th century AD.   Despite the fact that Iran had lost its independence, Iranian talent and intelligence helped them gain superiority over the Arabs and after a few centuries drove the Arabs, who were completely under the influence of the Iranians in the Sciences and literature, back into the desert lands of Arabia.  But on the other hand the ugliness of the acquired traits and the humiliation Iranians had gone through left an impression that remained for generations, after.    

Shojaedin Shafa, in “Taarikheh Iran ba’d az Eslaam”, writes: Abdollah Ibn Aamer was frustrated with the resistance he faced in Estakht, Faars, and so he swore he would kill many to punish them.  The number of killed in Estakhr are reported in Tarikheh Tabari to be in excess of 40,000.  Ali Ibn Abitalb told the people of Kufa that this victory had reduced the Ajam and put them in their place. In Kharazm, Yazid Ibn Mohleb ordered the prisoners to be left naked in the cold to die, and in Tabarestan the prisoners were hanged over a distance of 2 farsakh.  During Osman’s Khelafat, Tabarestan had been savagely attacked under the leadership of Said ibn Aas, with Hassan and Hossein, the sons of Ali, as his commanders.   In the year 90 after Hejrat, the son of Ghatibeh, hanged several thousand people in taleghan who had revolted against the Arabs.  In the fight against Gorgan, the bravery of Iranians scared Sa’ad Ibn vaghas into giving prayers (namaz), who in the end promised immunity if they gave up.  The 80,000 Army of Arabs killed everyone in site.  Yazid Ibn Mohleb wanted to eat bread from wheat milled by the blood of the Iranians killed.  But this proved impossible since blood clots.  They had to pour warm water over the blood to make it runny enough to turn the mill.  In Sarakhs everyone, except for 100 people, were killed.  Many of the cities that fell the first time around rebelled multiple times against the Arab armies.    

The names of the cities that revolted against Arab occupation, between 2 to 5 times, are as follows: Bokhaaraa, Samarghand, Kharazm, Soghd, Faryaab, Sarakhs, Marv, Kash, bikand, neishabour, toos, Gorgaan, Rey, Hamadaan, Ghazvin, Dinvar, Ghom, sirvaan, Halvaan (Ghasreh  Shirin), Esfehaan, Shooshtar, Estakhr, Daaraabgard, Shaapoor  in addition to the ostaans of Tabarestaan, Faars, Geelaan, deylamestaan, Aazarbeyjaan, Kermaan, and sistaan that witnessed rebellion against the Arabs, have been documented in these books:  Taarikheh Tabari, Kaameleh Ibn Asier, Taarikheh Ya’ghoobi, Fotoohol Baldaan, Majma’ol Tavaarikh, Mokhtaserol Beldaan, Taarikheh Bokhaaraa, Faarsnaameh.    

E. Herzfield, German archeologist, has been quoted by Shojaedin Shafa to have listed and identified the geographical locations of 100 cities in Iran at the time of the sassanids.  83 of the cities witnessed ruthless massacres and unabashed looting.  Abdol Hossein Zarrinkoob, in “Taarikheh Iran Ba’ad az eslaam”, wirtes: During Osmaan’s and Ali’s reign as Khalifs despite, altogether, 17 years of turmoil, the Islamic conquest of Iran did not stop.  Especially till the year 31 after Hejrat, when Yazdgerd was still alive....... After his death, also, in all Iraninan cities, when ever there was a chance rebellion and resistance continued.  In any case, the advancement of the Arabs in Iran was slow and repeated rebellions ware an impediment to their conquest.  ...After Yazdgerd’s death, there was no real hope left and the local resistance movements were isolated and decapitated movements.  Despite that, the victory over Iran, in contrast to the description given by Seyf Ibneh Omar, did not end during Omar’s reign and continued till the beginning of the Omavian dynasty.   In the beginning of Osmaan’s reign, when Sa’ad Ibn Vaghaas was the Amir of  Kufeh, there were rebellions in Hamedaan and Rey against the Arabs.  Sa’ad left Hamedan in the hands of Alaa Ibn Vahab who enforced Islamic tax (Jazieh) again.  But the relative quiet he gained in Rey did not last long and the people of Rey repeatedly rebelled, and the Arab armies repeatedly attacked the city.   

In all, the initial subjugation of Iranians took close to 30 years and the resistance movements continued for 200 years until the Arabs were driven out of Iran.  Read about all the Iranian heroes who helped win Iranian independence back, in a book by Abdol Rafi’ Haghighat, “Gharemaanaaneh Mellieh Iran”.     

The resistance against the doctrine of Islam continued in literature and there is a thousand year history of it.  Shojaedin Shafa, lists the poets and their poems chronologically, in his book “Dar Paykaar baa ahriman”. 

Hossein Heykal, a great Egyptian thinker, was asked why did Egypt, a country with so much history and so much culture, become an Arab nation?  He responded by saying we did not have a Ferdowsi.  

The IRI is still fighting the pre Islamic traditions of Noruz, chaharshanbeh suri, Sizdahbedar.  Don’t you believe for a minute, that our ancestors accepted Islam as Mottahari said “like delicious food that is fed to someone hungry or a refreshing drink poured into the throat of a thirsty person.  Read about the Iranians, who were slaughtered, enslaved and who became second class citizens in their own country, in the name of Islam.

Anonymous Lover of Iran WHAT?

First of all you must be Zion and I don't know why you don't answer under your own name. Second that's my freaking opinion, did I say that YOU are not Iranian? Why did it "hurt" your feelings so much? I didn't say anything about a religion, I know that he is Jewish, I said about a country, Israel and he IS an Israeli and CARES more for Israel than Iran. What is it here that makes you uneasy? I am not supporting IRI, I have a different outlook than you, but I am Iranian and I don't EVER, EVER would say that Iran is not my country ANYMORE, your own words. So I explained why you think that way, I don't see why I am wrong. What  has that to do with Islam, IRI (Which I have not spoken of) or anything else. This seems to bother you, but I don't care, Q IS IRANIAN, Zion is Israeli. So? Let Zion talk or defend himself, preferably in Persian so we can all see who is right. Nothing too complicated here.
Again I would like to finish with:
 
In daghal doostan keh mibini
magasaanand gerd e shirini.

Mossadegh circular?

Islamist lobby NIAC/CASMII and others all of a sudden are big on Mossadegh. There must have been an Islamist Republic circular on hiding behind Mossadegh

For Soraya and the OTHER Dariush ;0)

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiEfcS08MI4

Sina Motalebi talks about internet repression at the Amnesty International Tribune

Daryush- Your are full of it!

Again, with your logic, Every Muslim is not a true Iranian because they adopted the religion of Arab invadors. Please fix your messed up IRI loving logic. Who said Zion is an Israeli? Did Zion Say it?

Are you American or are you living in Iran?

Second, As I see it, it has been the IRI who has been supporting all of Israels enemies with weapons and logistical support (today namely Hizbollah and Hamas). I don't see Israel arming and funding the MKO for example. So if you asked me, a muslim Iranian (aghar az man miporsi) Israel has every right to push for an attack against the IRI regime because it is asking for it. As I recall, it was the IRI who started the slogan Marg Bar Amrica/Marg bar Esraeel back in 1979. Please go check your history. I don't see Israelis burning Iranian flags during their Sabbath prayers every week. However, I see Iranian burning US and Israeli flags, Every week for the past 30 years during their Jomeah (friday) Preyers- they have made a mockery out of Islam- Islam is only associated with Violence today because of them. Iran had a nuclear program during the Shah and the Israelis did not give a shit. Now they do because we have a monkey president who holds Holocust denial conferences and invites the like of David Duke to it. What the fuck do you expect the Israelis to do? Are you that Ahmagh? How much in denial are we Iranians? How blind can we be? Don't you see the writing on the wall? If the IRI regime keeps on behaving like this, the only option for the west is to attack it. I don't like to see that day, as much as you don't. I swear it- I have family and freinds in Iran to. But look at the reality and stop defending the defenseless.

You do not choose who is with you or who is against you. The IRI is and you have decided to be on the side of the IRI.

You Say:

"We are going through some difficulties in our long history and this shall pass."

Please don't sugar coat it. What shall pass? The IRI's tyranical rule that executed people for sexual relations? The logic of executing children? The logic of supporting every extremist group in the region? The logic of pouring billions of dollars into Hizbollah, while our hamvatans live in mud huts? The logic of having to ration gasolin while living under the world's 4th largest oil reserves?

You complain about Zions logo, while you a loser supporter of the IRI has chosen the logo of an Iranian hero. Ask yourself, would Mosadegh support the IRI or acknowledge it as an Iranian entity?

AND

I bet he (Zion) doesn't even speak Persian!
So I have every Right as an Iranian to ask his intentions as he would've if I was in an Israeli page while putting a picture of Qom as my sign!