IRAN-U.S.

Who is fabricating?

PC, writing under a wide variety of names, took everything out of context in order to score a "victory."

The rule with International Civil Aviation Organization is that (check it for yourself), if a country asks for investigation, it will pay for it. So, Iran paid the cost, but the ICAO contracted a Canadian company to investigate the US role in the safety of Iran's old aircrafts sold to it by the US, for which the US had refused to provide the spare parts.

The Canadian company prepared the report, and Iran had no role in writing it. It was writing the report for ICAO, not Iran. The report warned about US violating its obligations.

www.exportcontrolling.com/blog/2005/12/a_small_victory.html

After this report and many many articles by many experts (none Iranian or paid by the IRI), was the US embarrassed to the point that the State Department spokesman had to deliver some mumbo jumbo about the US is "willing to sell the spare parts."

This is totally different from the report that my colleague prepared, reaching exactly the same conclusion. 

Now, PC presents this as a propaganda by IRI supporters, and a proof that I lied, or was caught. If I make a mistake, I gladly accept it, apologize for it, do it publicly here, and move on, as I have a couple of times in the past. I am here to learn and give the limited information that I may have.

This is a serious debate, having to do with the lives of many innocent people. It only goes to show the true colours of people like PC, also posting with many other names. There is no laughing in this. Does your brain get it?

Mammad

Haji

As soon as you convince every Iranian to stop using Haji, I will follow my compatriots, till then tough rubber. And thanks for the correction of the date.

Again, get a good night sleep, don’t touch a drop and try to be calm when confronted.  You have the tendency to blow your top, tilt your head, pout, fidget and go into your "world renowned scientist" megalomania mode. 

And please do claim allegiance to Mossadegh for the enslaved Iranians do need a good belly laugh.

ivna

Coding the real good source of the news aren't you? you can't trust what you see or hear in the US media. They are designed to influence/hide the Zionist agenda in the American life and politics. USA today? get serious. Even NPR that suppose to be the most prestigious news is biased in their selections and promotions of political ideas.

Fredo

Now, your mumbo jumbo, mixed with hatred of Muslims, together with fictions - your product - is really something. Your brain never stops producing.

Once again, you are empty handed. As soon as that becomes clear, you revert to your old style of name calling. What better evidence for your hatred of Muslims than the title of your post, what US soldiers use to call all Iraqis? You really have a difficult time controlling yourself, in order not to show your true colours.

You also claim exclusive rights to who can be a supporter of Dr. Mosaddegh! That is amazing. In 1963, when Freedom Movement, led by Bazargan, was formed, the first line of its first statement read:

We are Iranian. We are Muslim. We are Mosaddeghi, and we believe in the constitutional process. 

By the way, your handlers gave you wrong information. It is sunday, not tomorrow!

Mammad

Not so fast Ms Amini, you forgot AIPAC!

Ms Amini says: "President Obama has offered the olive branch without preconditions, and I do think he means it— even if the regime in Tehran m ay want to believe otherwise."

Not so fast Ms Amini, you forgot AIPAC. Don't take my word, read what former speaker of the Israeli Parliament Avraham Burg says:

"I have a feeling that sometimes we’re having three political entities: the United States of America, the sovereign state of Israel, and the independent state of AIPAC, which has its own policy..."

I voted for president Obama, but I am not as naive as you are.

What P Craig and Zionists suffers from

Is abused personality that led to superiority complex. I recall his "arguments" many months ago and I tell you, the guy is pissed that Iran is the power of the region.

He hangs out with Arabs and Iranian sites, argues with pre-programmed points not to learn or associate with others, but to push his propaganda.

Look at the sites that he quotes that is from an American propaganda machine owned and operated by America's mini me. He does well know that no news gets out in any media in the US because it needs to pass the CIA filtration and be released for his kind to chew on.

He calls the IR media a propaganda missing the American propaganda on a daily basis. Granted there might be some small channels that once in a while scape the boss(Israel) and let lose, but rarely.

He does not realize that Iranian today inside, regardless of how much he tries of his kind and media, are not going to be fooled and will find their way. And please dude, spare me the (mis)information wanting to tell me about my history. Comical guy, isn't he?

It's not that there are no answers for you to find, it's that your hate towards Muslims that is burning your a#s. Hey what can I say, there are one billion Muslims and growing. Not only that, Hispanics and Blacks and other nationalities will take over this land in time and you need to work on you superiority complex. America will not remain a Zionist system forever. Similar to being baked by the Democrats and having a Hossain as your president,you will adjust to understand a Nuclear Iran, and Islamic culture is here to stay.

Just recall one of our discussion about Iran and the US, and you promised me that Iran will be crushed by the US forces and many other dreams of bombs and fire that you fancy. Guess what, US needs to bend for Iran's demand. I told you that, and I stay with that. Let time pass and you'll see.

Muslims are much kinder and cultured historically and the Asia, east and Iran as their family has began to understand. Understand that being nice, as Eastern culture is to "guests", doesn't mean bending backwards. Respect is the key. You don't get it? missed the boat.

Now faint and scream if you wish. In the future Zionism will die faster than you can spell hezbollah

Mahvareh/PC

Mahvareh: 

PC theorized that because it was not the IRI that bought the planes, the US has no obligations to supply the spare parts. That is a fictitious concept.

My point was, just as the US demands - and rightly so in this case - that the IRI respect Iran's obligations under the treaties that the Shah's government had signed, so is also the US obligated to its part of obligations towards the agreement that the Shah had signed. There was no talk of IRI exiting the NPT.

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, instead of one nation, 15 nations emerged. Yet, all the Soviet's international obligations - as well as its rights - were transferred to Russia, including its seat on the United Nations Security Council.

The point, once again, is this: Just because a regime changes in a nation, that nation's international obligations as well as rights do not disappear.

Now, since PC created this whole new fictitious concept, and was confronted right away, instead of conceding the point, he uses deviationary arguments.

PC:

I said nothing wrong. I will SHORTLY give references. You laugh or crying does not make a difference to me. I debate the way I believe I should debate, namely, based on reasons and documented facts.

Mammad

Haji professor

What are you talking about? Politically you have as much in common with Mossadegh as a nut does with a mathematician. Claiming his mantle does you no good; you are Islamist and want your Islamist republic to have nuke. Have you forgotten what Mossadegh said about Bazargan, the guy you wannabe?

What I say about your political dogma has nothing to do with Islam and no matter how much you try, it ain’t going to work. Your Islamist buddies when cornered as you are now do that in Iran to shut people up, but that is not how it is done in a free society.

BTW tomorrow, don’t put your foot in it again!

US export to IR increased more than 10 fold

US exports to Iran rose in Bush years

//www.usatoday.com/money/topstories/2008-07-0...

please post this.

Mammad

Is that an admission that you can't find anything to back up your claims? lol. I'm not going to ask you again for proof. Your bluff has been called. It seems you had nothing.

PC

I would be keen on to see Mammad as the Ambassador of Iran to US. It would be poetic justice.

In effect, I would like to see Mammad debating Obama. That would cure Obama of any wishful thinking for reconciliation.lol

Programmer

Yes, do carry out your threat. That would indeed be fun.

No, you did not prove anything. In order to reject everything, all you did was claiming that all those reports and articles were written by supporters of the IRI. Wow! That was easy. And even that seems to be copying from another comment by "Mahvareh." Or, was that you, talking to yourself, under another name, to give yourself credibility?

But, I have news for you. A colleague of mine is an expert on aviation safety, and teaches courses on the subject three times a year, with major airlines sending their staff to the classes. He prepared a report on the subject, based on all the relevant international agreements. As soon as I get a copy of it, I'll post here for everyone to see. That is a promise. Then, we will see whether you lied, or I did. And, the colleague is not even Iranian, so you could not label him an IRI supporter.

No, sir, you should serve your country as its ambassador! You would make a great one, because you are as oblivious to international laws as are most of the US officials. Of course, first you should set aside your fantasy of being in a position to hire me.

Mammad

Khameni must apologize to non-muslim world

Islamic Imperialism
//www.city-journal.org/html/rev2006-06-04td.h...

History of Islam in Christian Land

//www.chiesa.espressonline.it/dettaglio.jsp?i...

When is Islam going to apologize? When is Khameni, "the agent of Allah on earth" going to present his written apology to the non-muslim world?

Mahvareh

This is a story about the "report" that is behind this particular propaganda effort:

//www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/13/news/safety...

Six months before a U.S.-made Iranian military transport plane
crashed last week and killed 108 people, a report prepared for the
International Civil Aviation Organization warned that U.S. sanctions
against Iran were placing civilian lives in danger by denying Iranian
aviation necessary spare parts and aircraft repair.

The report written by a Canadian contractor, which officials of the
agency said Iran had requested and paid for but had no role in writing,
did not deal with military aircraft. But it said that the U.S.
government and major U.S. companies were ignoring international
treaties and taking actions that put passengers on Iranian commercial
airlines at risk, including thousands of people from other countries
traveling to and from Iran.

The allegation of treaty violations is there, but without any documentation about what the violations actually are. This is probably why dear mammad is able to assert violations, without offering any evidence of those violations. His source contains no evidence, and he hasn't actually read the treaties, he's only read the propaganda.

Mr. Mammad

Where do you live? In fantasy land? Iran signed the NPT in 1967, and ratified it in 1970. Iran signed the Safeguards Agreement in 1974.

Are you saying the IRI would like to get out of the NPT? Why doesn't the IRI simply get out of NPT? I think the IRI is perfectly within its legal rights to do just that. What's keeping them from doing that?

Kindly provide your argument without being combative. thanks.

Fred

Once again you are spitting out nonsense because of your hatred of Muslims, and in particular me. You, like the Programmer Craig, need to reprogram your brain, with the hope that your hatred is cleansed. I have no hope for that though.

The article had two parts, and the connection between the two. One part talked about Iran's historical sense of insecurity, which contributes to the present state of affairs. That had nothing to do with the US. Having a national sense of insecurity is nothing new. Russia with all its might has that. China the same. Germany the same. Only people like you with nanoscale information - if that - do not know that, do not understand that, or ignore that. That is a difference between you and people like me.

The second part had to do with the US-Iran relation and what the US had done to Iran. Which fact in that article do you dispute? List them. Enlighten us. Expose me. Once again, due to lack of knowledge and blindness to facts, your inability to respond with reason, and above all your hatred of Muslims, you talk in generic terms.

Surely, this is not a one-sided affair. The US can have some legitimate complaints. Unlike people like you, people like me are not oblivious to such possibilities. But, the best your buddy FK could come up with was that Iran held Al Qaeda to scare US, or fabricated the "fact" that it was Iran that blew up the Pan Am aircraft.

As for Dr. Mosaddegh: I love him as my national hero. He is my political idol. Who gives a hoot to what Ahmadinejad or Ayatollah Khomeini or any one else thinks of Dr. Mosaddegh? I speak for myself, and I love Mosaddegh's patriotism, and standing up to imperial powers. Once again, because you are really empty-handed in wanting to attack me, you invent a connection between people like me and the fundamentalists in Tehran. There is no such connections, as much as you like to pretend so.

Say what you want, but the more you open your mouth, the more you show your hateful colours.

And, by the way, the article had huge impact. At least 30 sites reproduced it, and USA Today and the Wall Street Journal posted it on their sites. Yeah, I know, they do not know me as well as you do. So, why don't you report to them, in addition to all other people that you do. 

Mammad

Mammad: I take your response

Mammad: I take your response as non-existence of evidence to back up your claims.

What does your acerbic tone going to accomplish??

Why personalize a simple debate exchange?

Mammad

1. You, the great thinker and theoretician of international affairs,
invented the fictitious concept that because it was not the IRI that
bought the aircrafts, the US had no obligation.

The US has no obligation to the Islamic Republic of Iran. Correct. That's what I said.

As I said, read
international agreements on civil aviations, on aviation safety, and on
commerce.

I did. Twice. And I even provied a link to the treaty text, and asked you to direct me to the section you were referencing. You have not.

There have been numerous
documented articles about this.

And all of those articles have a common theme. They are all written by IRI propagandists. There isn't a single one from a reputable source. Not one. I also pointed this out to you, previously. If you deny it, then link me some evidence. 

People like me, unlike you great
theoretician, first check our facts.

People like you tell lies, and then get abusive when somebody questions their integrity.

2. Now, you discover, as a matter of fact, that the US did sell the
spare parts. Oh, so, now the US actually ignored the great theoretician
and his fictitious concept that because it was not the IRI that bought
the planes, the US had no responsibility.

Not sure what this is all about. I've never come out with an opinion about whether or not the US has a *moral* obligation to sell spares for civilian aircraft. I haven't looked into the matter, and unlike you I don't like to make assertions about what is right or wrong without understanding all of the issues involved. All I did was challenge the veracity of your claims taht teh US is in violation of international law. So far, you have provided nothing to back up that claim. Nothing.

When did Bush sell those spare parts? After many many crashes of the
old US-sold aircrafts to Iran due to lack of spare parts, and an
international outcry over it. Once again, programmer, check your facts.

Whatever the case may be, it doens't provide you with cover for coming in here and lying to everyone, does it?

I picked one item from another commenter's list of "wrongs" he felt the US had done to Iran. And I asked him to explain it. He did not. You showed up, instead, and made specious claims and then repeatedly became abusive when I did the legwork myself and showed you what I had found.

That's what happened when I picked ONE item from that list. Should I go through the list line by line and see what happens? Could be fun, right?

By the way, I'm really liking the idea of hiring you to be US Ambassador to Iran. That would be karmic justice... they'd actually get to see how it feels to deal with a diplomat who lies to your face and insults you for being stupid enough to engage in a dialog with him, eh?

Mahvareh

There is not anything "Mah" about you, dear.

Regardless, what the heck are you talking about? Report about what? You are talking to your co-horts with coded words, so that only they understand what your nonsense?

Report about aviation safety and international agreements about it? If you cannot find it, then you do not know how to search, but still allow yourself to talk nonsense anyway.

People like you are so sold out on the idea that, because one hates a regime one must forget about any rights that the nation ruled by the hated regime has, that are willing to say any nonsense, all from the comfort of their home outside Iran. Yes, lengesh kon, we are here and support you!

Mammad

Soheila-1

Here is what you can do to help. Contact your federal Congressional Representatives from both the House of Representatives and the Senate, by telephone or email, or in person at their district offices.

Express to them or their staff your deep concern for the Iranian Bahá'í leaders whose lives are in danger. You may find the following websites useful in identifying your Congressional Representatives:

www.house.gov and type in your Zip Code + 4
www.senate.gov and select your state

For additional information visit:
//news.bahai.org/
//www.usbahai.org/
www.iranpresswatch.org
www.bahai.com
//www.bahai.com/persian/

Dead

Where do you live? In fantasy land? Iran signed the NPT in 1967, and ratified it in 1970. Iran signed the Safeguards Agreement in 1974.

Mammad

Programmer

Typical of your type, you easily change your position.

1. You, the great thinker and theoretician of international affairs, invented the fictitious concept that because it was not the IRI that bought the aircrafts, the US had no obligation. BS. As I said, read international agreements on civil aviations, on aviation safety, and on commerce. You did a 20 seconds check, and came back "victoriously," beating your chest. It takes more than that. There have been numerous documented articles about this. People like me, unlike you great theoretician, first check our facts.

2. Now, you discover, as a matter of fact, that the US did sell the spare parts. Oh, so, now the US actually ignored the great theoretician and his fictitious concept that because it was not the IRI that bought the planes, the US had no responsibility.

When did Bush sell those spare parts? After many many crashes of the old US-sold aircrafts to Iran due to lack of spare parts, and an international outcry over it. Once again, programmer, check your facts.

As I said, you need to reprogram your brain urgently, with the hope (in vain probably) that your arrogance will be lessened.

Mammad

Mollah XerXes this one is for you

It is directly from the streets of Islamic Republic or better said Jahanemeh Islamic

//images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=//reli...

US exports to Iran rose in Bush years

Bush under fire for increased U.S. exports to Iran

www.chinaview.cn 2008-07-18 16:34:13 Print

Special Report: Iran Nuclear Crisis

BEIJING, July 18 (Xinhuanet) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and other key lawmakers took verbal shots at the White House on Wednesday for increased exports to Iran despite its tough talk about nuclear ambitions and meddling in Iraq.

The Associated Press reported Tuesday that the value of U.S. exports to Iran has grown significantly during President Bush's years in office — from about 8 million U.S. dollars in 2001 to nearly 150 million dollars last year. The exports, made under agricultural, medical and humanitarian exemptions to U.S. trade sanctions, included cigarettes, bull semen, corn, soybeans and medicine, among other goods.

//www.usatoday.com/money/topstories/2008-07-0...

//news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-07/18/conte...

programmer craig

Who you writing to?
Got a different screens from different sites open and it confused you? Are you getting over time for this?
How's the weather in Israel today?

Zionism is Terrorism, are you a Zionist?

Your source

Is your propaganda Zionist media, bring me some real source, like Deutsche Welle or BBC then we talk.
Here is what you sent me:
"The government was also looking into U.S. records showing the export of at least $13,000 in “aircraft launching gear and/or deck arrestors,”

Is that $13000? lol
Wait, it gets better:
"Sanctions are intended in part to frustrate Iran’s efforts to build its military, but the U.S. government’s own figures showed at least $148,000 worth of unspecified weapons and other military gear were exported from the United States to Iran during Bush’s time in office. That included $106,635 in military rifles and $8,760 in rifle parts and accessories shipped in 2004."
AAh how America is kidnapped by Zionists and their media. Man take my advise and take a trip to Iran, get out of your little cage and explore and realize that Iran is much bigger than your mind allows you to comprehend.

PC ask your bosses if they know when the US gets out of the Zionist trap? I bet the answer is not in your life time.

Obama is doing good so far because you seem to have your job of spreading your Zionist thoughts secured. Well good that you are happy. But there is no joy higher than to see Conservative tight #%$ lose elections.

XerXes

Britain and France have already been selling aircraft and engine parts
to Iran. In 2005, the government of British Prime Minister Tony Blair said
Teheran ensured London that the spare parts would not be directed to the
Iranian military.

In August, however, Israel relayed evidence that British exports of
night goggle systems to Iran were diverted to Hizbullah. Israel presented
the British-origin night-vision systems found in Lebanon during the 34-day
war with Hizbullah in July and August 2006.

Gee! I wonder how Hezbollah got night vision goggles that the UK sent to Iran? Any apologies forthcoming about that?Whcih brings up another issue...The ISlamic Republic is a proud sponosr of international terrorism. What apology can make that go away? Hezbollah has killed many American, and has victimized many more.

XerXes

By the way, are you enjoying the Obama presidency. hahaha. your
warmongers are kind of, well, disappeared. What you gonna do now?

He seems like he's doing a pretty good job, so far :)

It's brainwashed at its best. During 2006 there were "talks" about
sending spare parts for civilian aviation, but your Jewish lobby
buddies have not allowed it.

Do you IRI propagandists really think you can make such outrageous claims and nobody will check? (Mammad, by the way, still waiting for you to direct me to the treaty claus that supports your claims). It took me 20 seconds to find this:

//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25588135/

Iran received at least $620,000 in aircraft parts and $19,600 worth of
aircraft during Bush’s terms. Iran relies on spare parts from other
countries to keep its commercial and military aircraft flying. In some
cases, U.S. sanctions allow shipments of aircraft parts for safety
upgrades for Iran’s commercial passenger jets.

There is a lot more. Did you even try to look?

Soheila-1

To US? what are you on? Whatever you mentioned here the source of it is the support of the US and hands of the US behind it.
Uneducated People talking none sense with no shame

Khamanie: 1st apologize for your own wicked acts.

The contemptible acts should come first! Mollahs should apologize for centuries of massacres against Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians, Baha'is, Kurds, Baluchies and all other ethnic and regligeus groups first before they even qualify for asking other countries for apology.

Mollahs' crimes against humanity far exceeds any and all other crimes committed by any other government.

Accusing people of false crimes and jailing them because they have chosen another religion. www.iranpresswatch.com

You want more: Google "Ashura" and click on "images" And they call is progress.