Why I will not vote for Moussavi

The presidential candidates fail to inspire me

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Why I will not vote for Moussavi
by Setareh Sabety
03-Jun-2009
 

I have given up all hopes of a regime change in Iran.  Heck I can’t even change my own regime (in the French sense of diet) far less fathom the fall of the now almighty, clear-winner-of-the-Iraq-war, Islamic Republic of Iran.  I now, once again, think that perhaps reform from within the system is the best solution for Iran.  I was a big supporter of Khatami until he betrayed the students and all the rest of us in the 18th Tir uprising.  I like much of what Moussavi has to say but frankly he bores me.  I just listened to his TV speech and found myself yawning three minutes into it. I do not agree with Ahmadinejad on 90% of issues but the guy certainly has more chutzpah than this diet-coke of a reformist.  

This so called ‘reformist’ does not sound like even he believes in himself.  I have rarely had to suffer through such a lackluster speech!  Do they all sound like opium addicts or is it my imagination?  He talks of bringing joy back to the national arena, of putting color into the every day lives of Iranians.  But frankly the guy looks like a wretched and unhappy fellow who is far from being happy even in his personal life. This is no Iranian Obama.  Moussavi is an old revolutionary, had been, supporter of Khomeini who has stepped in the tired shoes of Khatami.  I don’t care if he has discovered the internet and is following me on twitter.  You can’t bring change to Iran by twittering for god sake!  We have always been great at copying and terrible at innovation.  Karroubi is by far more articulate, eloquent and believable despite being a turbaned establishment mullah.  And frankly something about Moussavi’s denim shirted, flowered rousari-under-the-chador, wife makes me cringe. Color under that symbol of repression does not make it any less mandatory.   

They promise the kind of change we secular minded freedom loving Iranians (westernized ‘soosools’ or dandies to the extremists) love to hear about but they just don’t seem like they can deliver.  They do not appear like they can fulfill the dream of freedom for the individual and respect for her human rights that many of us have been harboring since before the Shah’s fall.  That kind of freedom, the kind Europeans and American’s take for granted, seems to be as far-fetched a dream as truly democratic elections.  A dream denied since time immemorial to those of us unlucky enough to come from that part of the world!  If the simple wish for free democratic elections and respect for human rights is a western concept, then by all means I am westernized.  Westernized and proud of it!  

I agree that any form of elections is better than none and that the debate that these candidates are engaged in is a constructive and necessary one.  The truth is that even if one believes that this regime would benefit from moderate reformists coming to power, it is really hard to bring oneself to vote.  It is hard because it is a vote of compromise.  It is a vote cast in an electoral system with exigencies that make it quasi-democratic at best. A vote in a system where women are still considered unfit to run for high office does not compel me to perform my duty as a citizen.  Until my diyyeh (blood price) is equal to a man’s and I am accepted as a full witness in court I am only half a citizen in my beloved Iran.  Yet I so badly want ‘change’ in Iran that I would vote for a reformist candidate if he was really inspiring.  I would vote if he was another Khatami in the hopes that maybe this time things would change. I would vote hoping for small, snail-like, slow change.  But this Moussavi guy is so un-inspirational and seems so insincere.  Karroubi’s message of ‘freedom of lifestyles’ has much more luster and rings much truer.  His ads are bold and his own speaking style much more confident.  Moussavi is a watered down version of Khatami.  How can anyone in their right mind believe that this guy could achieve what Khatami failed to deliver so miserably?    

The fact is that despite a very animated electoral arena with considerable difference between the candidates these elections are a sham.  No one who does not have Khamenei’s approval will win.  Now it may be that Khamenei wants a reformist as president to facilitate a rapprochement with the Americans that is needed to fix the economy.  I sincerely hope so. But I don’t feel compelled to vote.

I do not want to sound like the LA-cable-TV-monarchists who should have shut up and closed shop after their calls for a boycott of elections failed so utterly four years ago.  I don’t believe a boycott would be effective.  Ahmadinejad, at least, sounds sincere and real.  He actually believes in his own message.  Of course I will never vote for someone who questions the holocaust and believes in halos appearing behind his head at the U.N. of all places.  Nor does the prospect of the election of a ‘reformed’ mullah like Karroubi move me enough to vote.  Although if I had to endorse someone Karroubi would be my pick because he as a cleric will have more legitimacy in an all out struggle over individual freedoms with the rather formidable force of religious conservatives and vigilante Islamists.  

I will not vote.  Not because I hope for a regime change, nor because I have any other solution for Iran. I will not vote because these candidates fail to inspire me enough to vote in a sham election that I do not really believe in in the first place!  This two-faced posturing of the reformists tires me.  I won’t begrudge them a win because it might make things a little easier for all of us but I can’t bring myself to actively support them.  I no longer hope for a regime change but don’t ask me to become a follower of Moussavi either.  I simply will not vote out of sheer ennui with the system.

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شوراي محترم

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شوراي محترم نگهبان

سلام عليكم. بازگشت به نامه شماره 33512/31/88 مورخ 5/4/1388 معاون اجرايي
و امور انتخابات آن شورا، همانگونه كه در دو نامه قبلي اعلام گرديد گسترة
تخلفات و تقلبات انجام شده در دهمين دوره انتخابات رياست جمهوري و موارد
نقض قوانين از سوي دولت و وزارت كشور كه بخشي از آن در نامه مورخ 28/3/88
رئيس سازمان بازرسي كل كشور مستند و وارد تشخيص داده شده به حدي است كه
منحصر كردن رسيدگي به شكايات مربوط به تخلفات انتخاباتي به بازشماري ده
درصد صندوق هاي رأي نمي تواند به جلب اعتماد و اطمينان مردم كمك كند و
افكار عمومي را در خصوص نتايج اعلام شده اقناع نمايد.ا

بر اساس آنچه كه قبلاً به آگاهي آن شورا رسيد حجم تخلفات و اقدامات مغاير قانون در چهار بخش:ا

الف. فعاليتها، تبليغات انتخاباتي و اقدامات تا پيش از روز رأي گيري
ب. عمليات اخذ رأي و شمارش آرا
ج. جمع بندي و اعلام نتايج آرا
د. اقدامات پس از رأي گيري و اعلام نتايج آرا

به گونه اي است كه چاره اي جز ابطال انتخابات و برگزاري مجدد آن باقي
نگذاشته است. به عنوان نمونه به برخي از اهم عناوين تخلفات و اقدامات
مغاير قانون اشاره مي شود كه از مصاديق "تأثير در نتيجه كلي انتخابات"
موضوع تبصره ماده 33 قانون انتخابات رياست جمهوري است و ابطال اين
انتخابات را اجتناب ناپذير مي سازد (تفصيل هر يك از اين عناوين به پيوست
ارسال مي شود):ا

1. نقض صريح، گسترده و جسورانه ماده 68 قانون انتخابات و استفاده وسيع از
امكانات دولتي و منابع عمومي و مداخله آشكار تعدادي از اعضاي دولت، مديران
ارشد و استانداران و مديران اجرايي به نفع نامزد حاكم.
2. عدم رعايت بي طرفي از جانب صدا و سيما و ايراد اتهامات اثبات نشده كه
بخشي از آنها از سوي دادستان كل كشور عمل مجرمانه تلقي شده است و نيز
تبليغ گسترده و جانبدارانه رسانه هاي متعلق به دولت ( ايرنا، روزنامه هاي
دولتي و سايتهاي خبري ) به نفع نامزد حاكم.
3. وقوع گسترده جرايم موضوع ماده 33 قانون انتخابات رياست جمهوري در زمينه هاي زير كه مخالف نص صريح بندهاي ماده مذكور اند:ا

• خريد رأي از طريق توزيع سود سهام عدالت و پرداختهاي نقدي به خانواده هاي تحت پوشش نهادهاي حمايتي و روستائيان و عشاير و نظاير آن.
• تهديد و تطميع در امر انتخابات از طريق افراد وابسته به دولت و پرداخت وجوه نقد به اعضاي شوراهاي اسلامي و افراد ذي نفوذ و ...
• عدم اطمينان از خالي بودن صندوقها قبل از لاك و مهر و نيز گم شدن يا
خارج شدن تعرفه ها و صندوقها از شعب اخذ رأي با توجه به عدم حضور ناظران و
گزارشهاي واصله.
• عدم اخذ رأي از بخش قابل توجهي از واجدين شرايط با محدود كردن زمان اخذ
رأي و تخلفات متعدد در روز رأي گيري از قبيل مديريت تعرفه ها و ايجاد
كمبود تعرفه در شعب اخذ رأي.
• تقلب در رأي گيري كه عليرغم چاپ بيش از 12 ميليون تعرفه اضافي و نيز چاپ
حدود 2.5 ميليون ( و به قولي بيشتر ) تعرفه جديد بدون شماره سريال با مجوز
يكي از اعضاي شوراي نگهبان در روز قبل از رأي گيري، كمبود تعرفه در حوزه
هاي اخذ رأي را شاهد بوديم و بدون ترديد با كنترل ته برگ هاي تعرفه ها با
بانك اطلاعات ثبت احوال حجم عظيم آن قابل اثبات است و نيز تخلفات شمارش و
تجميع آرا.
• توصيه به رأي دادن به نامزد مشخص توسط اعضاي شعبه و ناظران و اساساً شكل
گيري بخش قابل توجهي از شعب اخذ رأي و ناظران شوراي نگهبان از ميان
هواداران نامزد حاكم.
• ايجاد رعب و وحشت براي رأي دهندگان و هواداران آنها در يك هفته منتهي به
روز اخذ رأي و حمله به ستادها و هواداران در تجمعات قانوني تبليغاتي در
مناطق مختلف كشور.
• ايجاد محدوديت هاي متعدد براي نمايندگان ناظر ستادهاي نامزدها براي حضور
در جلسات هيأت هاي اجرايي، مراكز شمارش و تجميع آرا و بخش قابل توجهي از
شعب اخذ رأي.
• قطع سرويس پيام كوتاه در روز رأي گيري به عنوان ابزار پيش بيني شده براي
نظارت بر شعب اخذ رأي و انعكاس تخلفات از سوي ناظرين ستادهاي اينجانب جهت
پيگيري قانوني و قطع تلفنهاي همراه و ثابت كميته صيانت از آرا در زمان
تجميع و اعلام نتايج.ا

4. طراحي ساز و كاري غير قابل نظارت و مغاير قانون براي تجميع آراي شمارش
شده و اعلام نتايج آرا به صورت مهندسي شده ( آن هم در حالي كه قبل از شروع
اعلام نتايج از سوي ستاد انتخابات وزارت كشور، نتايج انتخابات در سايتهاي
وابسته به دولت، سپاه و روزنامه كيهان درج شده بود )
5. مداخله گسترده و غيرقانوني بخش هايي از نيروهاي مسلح قبل و حين انتخابات كه خلاف نص صريح نظر حضرت امام (ره) مي باشد.
6. وجود بيش از 170 حوزه اخذ رأي با ميزان آراي مأخوذه بين 95 تا 140 درصد.
7. حمله به ستادهاي انتخاباتي در شهرستانها و تهران و پلمپ ستاد مركزي
اينجانب و دستگيري رئيس و اعضاي فعال آن كه موجب اخلال در گردآوري كامل
اسناد و مدارك تخلفات انتخاباتي گرديد.
كه همه موارد فوق دال بر وجود تخلفات برنامه ريزي شده و سازمان يافته جدي
در امر برگزاري انتخابات است. از آنجا كه بنابر اعلام شوراي نگهبان بخشي
از تخلفات صورت گرفته در انتخابات دهم رياست جمهوري بيرون از دايره صلاحيت
بررسي آن شورا است و نيز بخش هايي از اعتراضات قانوني علاوه بر شخص وزير
كشور و عوامل و مجريان آن وزارتخانه متوجه نحوه عملكرد تعدادي از اعضاي
خود شوراي نگهبان و تخطي آنها از ضوابط قانوني و نقض بيطرفي است، رسيدن به
يك داوري منصفانه در اين مورد اساساً نمي تواند در حيطه شوراي نگهبان و به
طريق اولي در حيطه هيأتي باشد كه منتخب اين شوراست، گذشته از اينكه برخي
از افراد اين هيآت در اين انتخابات موضع بيطرف نداشته اند و نسبت به نتايج
آن پيش از بررسي، اعلام موضع كرده اند كه اين مسأله به رفع ابهامات و
اقناع افكار عمومي كمك نمي كند.
لذا اينجانب ضمن تأكيد مجدد بر ابطال انتخابات به عنوان مناسب ترين راه
برون رفت از معضل ايجاد شده و بازسازي اعتماد عمومي و صرفاً براي اينكه
راهي نيز جهت رسيدگي از طريق يك هيأت حكميت ملي گشوده بماند و اعتراض
قانوني مردم در مرجعي مورد رسيدگي قرار گيرد كه بتواند مورد اجماع ملي و
وفاق عمومي بوده و رأي آن مورد قبول عموم رأي دهندگان و مايه اطمينان خاطر
مردم باشد، پيشنهاد مي كنم كه موضوع به حكميتي شرعي و قانوني و مستقل كه
مورد اتفاق نامزدها و حمايت آن دسته از حضرات آيات و مراجع عظام تقليد كه
حل و فصل موضوع را پيگيري نموده اند، باشد ارجاع داده شود.

ميرحسين موسوي
ششم تیرماه 1388


Parham

azar 50

by Parham on

yes, why?
(If you're going to come up with a "smart" comment, don't be surprised if I give you two back! Now go on...)


keivonk

parham

by keivonk on

can you read farsi or should i translate for u?


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parham

by azar50 (not verified) on

can you read farsi?


Parham

yes, google who murdered them

by Parham on

Shame on you.


keivonk

google who muredered them?

by keivonk on

google who muredered them? show me how he was involved? I don't remember the prime minister being an executioner as well. the guy held the country together during a horrific war, 1 million people died. plus like i said he is an icon for the movement, u should be thanking him for standing up to the regime from within, something that no one has done since the revolution.

read this 

//news.gooya.com/politics/archives/2009/06/08...


Parham

keivonk

by Parham on

If you deny 4000+ people were mass-murdered while Mousavi was prime minister (when, for example, you can simply Google the info), you're no better than the criminals who did that.

What people do doesn't make them right. Just like what they did --and didn't-- during the past 30 years (and beyond) didn't.


keivonk

Parham

by keivonk on

I'm in denial? can you hear millions of people chanting mousavi mousavi in the streets? you sit there and make claims, then say wait till its over and then we'll see...
regardless of the reason, people have rallied behind mousavi, without an icon and leader there would be no uprising.

you never answered me, show me what crimes mosavi himself comitted...but i didnt expect you too because like the rest of your posts its just opinion with no substance


Parham

keivonk

by Parham on

Wait till this is all over, then come and tell me that.
In any case, the Mousavi supporters I say that to usually tell me it's not for Mousavi that they're out there, but for freedom, that Mousavi is/was only a pretext. That's most of them. There are those who choose to live in denial too, quite like you, but I can't do anything for them. Their cases are either psychological or just made up of too much excitement. And there's the plain stupid ones, or those who just don't care one way or another. So it's not like they all have the same aim/mean!
See ya.


keivonk

parham

by keivonk on

you can change the context to suit your argument, that doesnt mean it makes sense. what specifically did mousavi do that you are talking about? show me exact information of his crimes, not crimes that took place when he was prime minister. show me how he was guilty of these crimes... the problem is you are 100% against something till it is perfect and that perfection is not attainable. why don't you go in the streets of tehran and tell all the mousavi followers this and see what they tell you


Marjan

Embrace election results

by Marjan on

Wester policies can historically be summed up by:

                       "First Consolidate, then Obliterate !"

 The hopeful sentiment to embrace after this Nejad win is that

 atleast he will not give up 5,000 years of Iran's history nor bow

down to a 200 yearold crumbling capatalist regime....atleast not

without a fight.  Iran is one of the world's oldest continous

 civilizations, since when does a country such as Iran need to

convince a 200 year old nation like the US that it is modern?


Parham

keivonk

by Parham on

I see. So Milosevic should have been judged for his actions in the present and we should all together leave Karadzic alone because apparently now he's a like sage.
Doesn't work that way.


keivonk

to parham

by keivonk on

people like yourself who live in the past will likely listen to you, but most people will judge him (if he is elected) based on his actions in the present. be here now!


Setareh Sabety

Dear Assal-

by Setareh Sabety on

you must have missed this on my change of mind in an earlier post on this thread.
//iranian.com/main/blog/setareh-sabety/vo...

chiz chiz taa piroozi! :-)


Khuzestani

To all the non-voters.....

by Khuzestani on

To all my fellow Iranians,

           As most of you already know, the Iranian presidential elections are going to be held on Friday, June 12th, 2009. I know many of you have little to no ties to Iran, and think that what happens there doesn’t really affect you. Or maybe you think that it’s all a show and the winner of the election is pre-determined, and all of this is just a game. Some may even think that it really doesn’t matter who gets elected, because the president’s authority is essentially very limited. You may think that by participating in these elections, you are giving a stamp of approval to the Islamic Republic and are legitimizing their governance. I have to admit that I don’t totally disagree with any of these arguments, and each have some sliver of truth in them, but I do believe that getting the current president out will have a direct affect on ALL our lives, regardless of bond to Iran.

            Whether we like it or not, people all over the world associate us with the Iranian government, so if there is a badmouthed, illiterate, warmongering… president, then that image is projected onto all of us. Also, for those of us who have family and loved ones in Iran, the thought of another 4 years of adversity, poverty, sanctions … is unthinkable and quite frankly, extremely frightening. As for whether the elections are fair or not, there will be no room for any wrongdoing if the vote count difference is huge. The president is not the most powerful figure in the Iranian government, and we all saw that in the 8 years that Mr. Khatami was in power. Every which way he turned he was shut down, and essentially left with many unfulfilled promises. But he did try to put Iran on the right track, and no matter how little his advances seemed to be, they were in the RIGHT direction. In the past 4 years, Mr. Ahmadinejad was able to erase all the gains in the Khatami years and then some. He has put Iran on a path of destruction. I don’t think there is a need to go into detail on all the damage he has caused, for most of you already know. If he is not re-elected, the least that can happen is that this train to devastation will lose steam and hopefully, slowly of course, start to get back on the course of prosperity.  

Voting is as much a stamp of approval for the government as not voting is a stamp of denunciation. You not voting will not prove anything, nor will it hurt the regime, it will only help facilitate Ahmadinejad’s reelection bid. There are many more effective ways to oppose the government.

               There are 3 candidates that are pitted against Ahmadinejad, while all 3 will be better than him, one of the candidates stands out as the most formidable. He is Mir Hossein Mousavi, Iran’s former prime minister and one of the key players in managing the country during the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988). There are plenty of websites and articles that fully describe his platform, policies, and objectives. He is the only candidate than can reverse Ahmadinejad’s damages most efficiently and effectively.

               In the end, I want to beg of each and every one of you to vote, not because you approve of the government, not because a new president will suddenly transform Iran into a world economic powerhouse, but because Iran, and frankly the world, cannot afford another 4 years of Ahmadinejad. There are polling stations throughout the country, and the exact locations will be published on Wednesday, June 10th. All you need is your passport or ID card, so let’s all head to the polling stations on Friday, vote Green, and get Ahmadinejad OUT of office!!


Assal_B

Dear Setareh:

by Assal_B on

I have been following these elections more closely than I followed Obama/McCain (if that's even possible). I was born and grew up in California. I have been free from birth and have never known oppression or sacrifice. When I watch footage or photos of people my age marching in the streets, chanting slogans, passing out fliers, dressed in green with their peace fingers up, it stirs my heart. I don't care if Mousavi is boring, that he has a checkered past, that he's not the greatest orator, that his wife wears a chador (BABA, she HAS TO WEAR IT!)...

All I think about is the hope that Mousavi's supporters have in their eyes. I can see it. They live under the regime the rest of us are free from. They breathe (or don't breathe) under the politics, the games, the hypocrisy. If they are out there in the streets, believing for the briefest moment in their lives that they have the power to make the smallest difference in the condition of their lives, I think that we should support their choices...it's honestly the VERY LEAST we could do.


Parham

keivonk

by Parham on

Well in that case, people like me will remind them.


keivonk

the rest of the world isnt

by keivonk on

the rest of the world isnt blind, but they have extremely short memories. who other than iranians is going to sit and research that era? a very select few. listen to how mousavi is portrayed in current terms by the world...

 

//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31156080#31156080


Setareh Sabety

I changed my mind!

by Setareh Sabety on


Parham

keivonk

by Parham on

And you're saying the coming of Mousavi will make that image better? The man who was prime minister when they mass murdered 4000+ people?

You know, Iranians may be blind, the rest of the world isn't. At least not always.


keivonk

This is rediculous

by keivonk on

A cynic is not merely one who reads bitter lessons from the past, he is one who is prematurely disappointed in the future. 

You guys can sit here and debate about what Khatami did or didnt do forever, why are you wasting time on this? The bottom line is that much like in the U.S. people will benifit from a change in leadership. The world associates Iran with crazy Ahmadi, so even if Mousavi can't accomplish much in the way of reform or regime change, at least we won't have a partially shaved chimpanzee going to the UN and making us, collectively, look like backwards barbarians stuck in the dark ages. Can we at least agree on that?

I don't think Obama is the heroic figure that people make him out to be, but the world perception of America has changed drastically. The world looks at the decision to choose obama as progress in the US, progress of the people. The world will also judge the people of Iran based on this decision. 


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Check your facts

by Babak Me (not verified) on

Under Khatami's orders the dissident chain killings took place. That is a fact, and you can read it for yourself: marzeporgohar.org/mpg_forouhar_expose.pdf and you want to talk about crimes?

Let me refresh your memory, since you suffer from selective amnesia, Khatami was the president and the parliament was dominated by reformists and what happened? Nothing! What else do you want to call it other then stalemate? A stalemate that went on for 8 years, thus Khatami helped the theocracy live 8 more years - what's so difficult to comprehend?

Even after the student uprising of 99, the slogans student shouted was relatively tame. Now fast-forward to today, surely you have access to youtube, try searching for university protests and hear what the slogans are. What are you going to claim, that with the arrival Ahmadinejad, a new atmosphere of openness has occurred?

A popular litmus test for "freedom" seems to be where the headscarf is on women, and during Ahamidnejad's reign, they have moved even further back.

In other words, it's the people that are driving freedom forward, not the theocracy as you seem to voicing.


MiNeum71

Come On

by MiNeum71 on

Hanging president, Iranian Women Demand Change, Open Letter from Urumiyeh University, ...

Where are the ingenious brains claiming that Khatami and Ahmadinejad had the same impact on Iranian society? Come on, I'm waiting for you talking another hot air proving being Bee Savad and Na Fahm.

[There is NO, really NO excuse for Ahmadinejad's crimes. My point is that we have been discussing about the elections since March, and there are still some silly abroad Iranians who write ridiculous stuff like Khatami extended the life of this theocracy by eight years with neither advancing democratic rights for non-governmental political parties, nor furthering the quest for individual rights and freedoms in Iran. The same is going to happen under Mousavi. I want to show that there IS a difference between the conservative and the liberal forces in Iran, and that it' very important to try to go this one step, although I know it takes more than a vote for Mousavi to save Iran.]

 


Parham

At least...

by Parham on

... they took the right conclusion out of eight years of Bush.


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Remember US 2000 elections...

by برگ چغندر (not verified) on

Gore was said to be boring, many people didn't vote, some voted for Nader since Gore wasn't progressive enough; what was the result? 8 years of Bush.


hamsade ghadimi

mr kadiver, the good news and the bad news...

by hamsade ghadimi on

to your liking and support of some iri apologists, a good mullah is either an obedient mullah or a dead mullah. the bad news is that a good monarch is also an obedient monarch or a dead one.


MiNeum71

Dear Darius,

by MiNeum71 on

There were also many good Mullahs, who were killed or mistreated in Iran since 1979 because of the path Khomeini had choosen; on the other hand many of the blood thirsty Basijis are not Mullahs.

Shah killed many Iranians, but I wouldn't say, only obedient Monarchs are good Monarchs ... yes I would :)))  Forget it ;)

 


Darius Kadivar

FYI/VOA Tasvireh Khabar Analyses Debate

by Darius Kadivar on

Interesting interview of Dr. Abbas Milani with Bijan Farhoudi in Saturday Night Weekend Program: Doh Roozeh Aval:

//iranian.com/main/blog/darius-kadivar/voa-doh-roozeh-aval-abbas-milani-irans-elections


Darius Kadivar

I VOTED ;0)

by Darius Kadivar on

A GOOD MULLAH is AN OBEDIENT MULLAH :

//iranian.com/main/blog/darius-kadivar/satire-i-voted-0

VOTE KAROUBI

LOL


Parham

Darius

by Parham on

Yeah, right! LOL!