MAHSA

Innocence

It hurts me deeply to see a child so young and so precious to be so versed in politics.  No doubt she has been exposed to the daily talks and political events, which ultimately sets in the mind of an absorbing bright child.  She reflects on the pain and suffering of her family members as observed through her eyes.  Life is not normal in Iran as we know it.  Real name or not, Staged or not, She articulates the agony of our families living in today’s Iran

tabriz

Your argument is very illogical. I will say that over and over again that There are no comparisons between America or any other coutry in the world with the rapist republic entity in Iran. You are comparing Obama with Ahmadinejad and pointing out their similarities? If that's the case then I can say that you and a donkey also may have similarities because donkey is a mammel.

This is an entity(Republic of Islam) in Iran that stones people to death , rapes political prisoners(male and female), financing international Islamic terrorism(Hezbollah,etc), creating mayhem , torturing  and Killing Iranians. There exists no other true theocracies in the world therefore no comparisons can be made.

Anonymouse

Hol, ba he do cheshme baba !

The good behavior of the people, warms our heart and make us thankful.....  And the bad ones, just make us to recognize and appreciate the good ones!

Solo did you notice the link I provided with her other video?

//iranian.com/main/2010/jul/smart-sister

 (-: "That is her only "younger 

As for JJJ, this little girl's sermon notwithstanding, more often than not as we say in Farsi

 از حول حلیم مرتب میفته تو دیگ!

Everything is sacred

Ajab

Anonymouse: Your theory is the most realistic of all.  This unity4iran poster is having a good laugh at the expense of us all.

Reminds me of that model JJ put up on International Women's Day last March, as Iranian. Everyone was all over it like a bad rash.  Then it transpired the lady was Italian. 

Google says the father of Mahsa (currently 9 years old) is in France. Mom and Mahsa were prevented from leaving Iran to join him in July 2010. Yeah - so we aer supposed to believe that this kid is going to be placed in front of a camera to say what she says (at age 7) and then make her way to Mehrabad to go to Paris to visit Daddy dear?  Not bloody likely.

It's a hoax all right. Well done for spotting it.

The Lost "Sanity"

142 comments below for a hoax/horse crap/coached video? Are we all getting one step closer to the total "insanity?" Are we all forgetting about thousands & thousands of children who were killed while walking in the field mines during 8 years of genocidal Iran-Iraq war? Have not thousands & thousands of children been killed in the occupied Iraq & Afghanistan during past 10 years? Are not a number of children dying at this moment due to famine in Africa? Perhaps we are only biting our tongues like "Abarmard" in facing the realities or screaming "Long Live Green" Like "Q."

Faramarz jaan the hoaxes r always made to play on ppl's emotions

No one will give out the real names, including this little girl's, her parents or uncles to the Islamic Republic and make a video slamming Khamanei and the whole Islam so they can be arrested.

People wear masks in the street demonstrations to cover their identities. 

Here are couple of hoaxbusters websites.  One of them doesn't have a search engine anymore but look under Iran for some hoaxes about it:

//hoaxbusters.org/#I

Here's the Truth or Fiction website and I searched for Iranian and see the results. 

//ss659.fusionbot.com/cgi-bin/ss_query?sitenbr=120222903&k=iranian

Whenever you get an email warning you about not eating carrots or peanuts or watermelons or something like that because it causes cancer, check with the Truth or Fiction website first! 

Everything is sacred

Anonymouse, a Hoax?

You raise a good point. This whole thing might be an act, or a hoax! And that would be a shame, since so many good people on this site got emotionally involved, notwithstanding their political leanings.

Joseph Schleifstein's father similar to Mahsa's parents

VPK jan, by the way, Joseph Schleifstein's father did actually try to bring world attention to his son by asking him to pose for a photo op with his prison uniform; and I actually applaud him for that because he was trying to expose the ugliness of the fascist Nazi regime just like Mahsa's parents are trying to expose the ugliness of the Islamofascist regime of Iran.

Now lets see if the usual pathetic losers come rushing in name calling and attacking Joseph Schleifstein's father. I doubt they would though, because it doesn't serve their agenda. The pathetic liar based his all despicable talking points on this article, trying to prove how good Joseph Schleifstein's parents are vs. Mahsa's 'bad' anti-IRI parents!!!

Dear VPK

Joseph Schleifstein's father, bringing or not bringing world attention to his son has nothing to do with this.

Abarmard, the clueless, claimed that Mahsa's parent's should not have told her that they were political prisoners!!! In order to argue his nonsensical talking point he referred to 'life is beautiful' movie, which is a fictional, albeit touching, movie that tells the story of a boy and his father in Nazi death camps. In the movie the father makes his son believe that the concentration camp was actually a big game and all prisoners and the guards were players in the game. As a result up until the camp's liberation by the American forces, the boy is made to believe that he is participating in a big exciting game. 

Now, I called Abarmard out on his ignorant referral to a fictional movie as an excuse to attack Mahsa's parents who are, unlike Q & Abarmard, real Iranians fighting for freedom inside Iran and have thousands of times more integrity and honor than these pathetic individuals.

Then, Iranian.com's resident Islamist came along and to 'prove' that this can happen in real life as well, posted the article about a real holocaust survivor who is drawing parallels between his real experience in Nazi death camps and the fictional movie. But this holocaust survivor actually knew that him and his parents were in Nazi death camps and his father didn't actually hide this fact from him; I mean how could he really?!!!! ... So the resident Islamist's article turned out to be irrelevant because in reality you can never hide the fact that an Islamofascist regime jailed Mahsa's parents from her no matter what some fictional story says.

The clueless Islamist Liar, probably hasn't even watched the movie yet he continues to insist on his disgusting lies in order to defend his IRI masters!

Q, Repeating Unrepentant Lies or Simply Stupid?

"Dachau was liberated in early 1945! This boy's Nazi memories start at 2 years old and end at 4. That is way too young to understand anything, so is 6 years old by the way. You're not making any sense"

Q you are the one who is challenged ... mentally challenged that is!  The fact that Dachau was liberated in 1945 is again irrelevant; The fact remains that in 1947, according to the article, his father asked him to pose for a picture wearing his prisoner uniform hence there was never an attempt, on his father's part, to conceal the fact that the boy and his family were prisoners in Nazi death camp. And he knew exactly what was happening to him and his family, and that they used to be prisoners in Nazi death camps.

He obviously knew that they were prisoners even when they were in the death camps, as he was responsible for saying 'all prisoners counted for'.

"I remember saluting them," he said. "I became the Germans' mascot and
would say, 'All prisoners accounted for'...I guess they didn't feel a
need to kill me."

Mahsa's parents didn't conceal the fact that they were political prisoners from her neither did Joseph's parents, so what was your (and Abarmard's) point again?! are you so dense that you don't comprehend this? or are you just shamelessly repeating your disgusting lies?

I know that you pray to Allah day and night so that patriotic Iranians like me leave Iran or don't go back to Iran. You pathetic Islamists are obviously terrified of us Iran-lovers and Melligeraas; After all if the Islamist regime falls you wouldn't be able to leech off of Iranian people anymore! ... You also once confessed that you kiss the Mullahs smelly feet to prevent the regime from falling. So let me get this right! praying to Allah and kissing Akhoond feet are two methods that you use to prevent IRI from falling?!!! ... good luck with that ... LMAO

Islamists = disgusting, pathetic and mentally challenged

P.S. I am not an exile I go back to Iran every year, so be afraid, very afraid!

Faramarz jaan thanks for the link but the "smart sister" is her

Right?  The smart sister telling his brother not to marry without her permission is her, right?  I'm pretty sure they're the same just a few year younger.

This video is probably the same guy (her brother) or an uncle or even his father thinking it is cute to have this girl talk about Hassan and Hussein and put it online.  They don't live in Iran either.

In the next episode she'll talk about the United Nations and the kind of morrabba albaloo that Ban Ki Moon likes for his breakfast!  Try imagining her saying that! 

Everything is sacred

Pahlevan ; Q

Please let us stop arguing over 1945 vs 1947. In software engineering we call this "rat holing". Meaning getting side tracked on irrelevant points.

The real point is that at the time of Nazi it made sense to protect that child that way. Because there was no way for his father to bring it to world attention. He did not have Youtube available or world media to take his pleas to. 

This is different. Here we DO have Youtube and Mahsa family decided to go public. More power to them because now they got our attention. I would most definitely do the same if I was in their situation. 

Pahlevan, please stop embarrassing yourself (and all Iranians)

So when was in Dachau concentration camp in 1947 he was 6 years old

My history-challenged friend, Dachau was liberated in early 1945! This boy's Nazi memories start at 2 years old and end at 4. That is way too young to understand anything, so is 6 years old by the way. You're not making any sense.

The only thing that is clear is that you are full of hate and oghdeh, and you don't care who you step on to express it. It's exactly the kind of people we don't need in Iran's future, which is why I have to thank Allah one more time for your permenant exile from it.

I've never "generally denied the tragedy that happened to Jewish people". You are so ignorant and pathetic, that I feel sorry for you. While hiding behind a fake name you push forward an innocent child to speak for you, without regard to her own well being. Does it get more sad and pathetic than this? If this is the state of the anti-IRI opposition, no wonder you haven't accomplished anything in 31 years. IRI will gladly pay for such morally bankrupt, ignorant "opposition." 

"disfusting" indeed, my friend.

Q you are despicable liar and a disgusting Islamist

Q your insistence on repeating your barefaced lies only make you look more disgusting and despicable. Very much like Ahmadinejad, who despite overwhelming historical evidence, keeps on denying the holocaust, you too keep on shamelessly repeating what was proven to be a lie.

What you quoted is completely irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that this boy knew he was in a prison. As he says:

"I remember saluting them," he said. "I became the Germans' mascot and
would say, 'All prisoners accounted for'...I guess they didn't feel a
need to kill me."

But before immigrating, Schleifstein said he remembered posing in 1947 in Dachau for a picture in his prison uniform.

"My father wanted me to put it on but I didn't want to," he recalled. "I was crying. I didn't want to be on display."

So when was in Dachau concentration camp in 1947 he was 6 years old (almost the same age as Mahsa) and knew exactly what was happening to him and his family.

And as I said before ... if your Islamist bunch willing to do anything to achieve your despicable goals including selling your mothers and sisters, don't just assume that others are anything like you. True Iranians and Iran lovers, unlike you, actually value honor and integrity.

The holocaust was horrible tragedy, and while Islamists like Q generally deny the tragedy that happened to the Jewish people, in this case he is ironically, and in a pathetic way, trying to use it to serve his own agenda. And that disgusting agenda is denying the Iranian holocaust, i.e. the horrors that has happened to hundreds of thousands of Iranian political dissidents and activists in the IRI prisons and concentration camps since 1979. What the islamists did (and continue to do) to the Iranian freedom fighters and political activists, such as parents of Mahsa, is no less horrible than what the Nazis did to the Jews.

Kudos to Mahsa and her freedom-loving parents

Shame on IRI and its disfusting Islamist supporters

NP

Please read my reply to Tabrizi a minute ago.. I ageree Tabrizi is a good person; I have no idea how many people he represents. I prefer not to guess at things I am not able to verify.

Also on another point: the charges you made to Simorgh are unfair. I will leave it at that.

tabriz_balasi Jan

In fact we probably agree on a lot of things.

We both agree IRI is built on lies and worse than Pahlavi.

IRI violates Islam as much as it violates many other things.

I said before IRI is not a threat to other countries. But it is PERCEIVED to be due to USA propaganda. Therefore it is considered an international pariah. And it will get treated and punished as such. Just like Saddam had not WMD but got nailed anyway. See what I mean?

I am just as worried about post IRI as you are. I do worry it may get worse. Many people on all sides have brought up the point.

I say we should make our opposition to IRI known in the world. So  we are not all viewed as a bunch of nut jobs. We both agree IRI will fall one way or other. When it does I want a sympathetic world that won't jump to break up and wreck the nation.

I do not know if 20% support IRI or is it 25 or 10. I have no way to tell for sure.

And yes some of the institutions are valid just run as a joke. 

tabriz

well said! i enjoy your posts. i think yours is the closest to what most iranians inside iran would say.

vpk: i hope you are not missing the fact that TB is your ally... if you dropped your anti-islam dogma, you would gain many allies!

abarmard: i agree with ari and q. life is beautiful is one of the most touching movies ever...

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

first let me tell you that i believe IR is worse form of government than the privous Monarchy.  this government is built on "khorafeh" and lies so i agree that any entity based on a lie will not survive, it will go away.  by the way any fallacy will die because that is my belief and it also makes sense rationally.  I am not saying we are not ready for a better Iran.  and don't dismiss education!  it is the key, if not the only thing that humans need to succeed in life.  the other thing is applying that knowlege.  knowing and action together can make a difference.  No, i am not going to work to bring IR down because i think they are shittt, i am sorry but please look where we ended up when we brought down Shah because we thought he was bad, we got something worse.  there are things that are worse than IR, use your imagination.  New form of dictatorship is not worth my time and life and time and life of the others.  IR will go when ever it loses even more supporters, there are a significant number of people in iran, 20%, who still like IR.  as soon as that is down to 10% then they will be in danger.  i don't accept that IR is an international problem.  in fact i think the only thing that IR can be proud of is the foreign policy stuff.  in fact with the way the world is run today, Iran's foreign policy is a sound of reason.  How is Iran an international problem?  because it supports Hezbollah and Hamas.  Those groups are fighting for their freedom and iran is helping them, i am proud of that and arabs on the streets love iran and my arab friends tell me all the time that iran is great.  that is a successful foreign policy.  BUT it is ironic from a government that kills his own citizins and claims that it will not allow some other government to kill some other people.  that doesn't make sense. why not start from your own country and not kill your own people.  but again, if iran had a democratic government that respected its citizens, i would expect iran to do things that it is doing at this moment.  so iran gets a passing mark on its foreign policy (15/20) and failing mark on its domestic policy (2/20).  but that doesn't mean  i like IR even a bit.  by the way i hoped for a long time that IR would succeed, because it's Iran's government.  I don't consider myself an enemy of IR, atleast not until the fake election.  I will still not try to harm it but i am not supporting it either.  in fact i will help people bash IR because i have not love for them.  but to be honest, i am sad that they failed so badly in forming an Islamic Democracy, because right now it's either Islamic nor Democratic, it is out right dictatorship. My ideal form of government would be if you took velayaate figih and shoraye negahban from the form of government we have right now.  it will instantly become what everyone wants because i think some of the institutions are in place right now, even though at its current form it's laughable.

be an act at all times in the name of Allah.

you are Truly shameless, Pahlevan, truly shameless

To what shameless length do you have to go to just to be "right" in an online forum? Lie your ass off and then accuse others of lying? no, he didn't understand anything, he was 2 years old!

Trust me, I related to the movie. It brought back a lot of memories...in terms of being hidden in Buchenwald with my father, and him being protective of me."

Just like I said, you are so blinded by hatred that you would sell your own mother let alone someone else's kid. Truly, pathetically, unforgivably shameless. Now I realize why people like you have to hide behind fake names, you cannot bare the shame of being public.

And this is the difference his Father made for him Something that the girl in this video would not experience, and something no one has done for you.

 "The perception of people who went through the Holocaust was that they were damaged stuff," he explained. "Look what they looked like. A lot looked like walking skeletons, smelled badly and were sick. I didn't want that stigma." But in recent years, Schleifstein said he has begun to come to terms with what happened. He returned to Germany for the first time last year and said he harbors no bitterness. "I think that hate destroys the hater," he said. "I think that what the Germans did was awful. But you have to go on and you can't let it taint the next generation. Looking to the future means forgiveness."

Once again, I think Abarmard and Ari Siletz for recognizing the right analogy here. And to the assorted Anonymous cowards cheering on this tragedy: It's now clear they care about nothing and no one but themselves, so they continue playing games with the lives of others, including little children. Now we know what kind of people they are, and why they will never be entrusted to run anything in Iran again, the rest of their hateful lives.

Thank Allah for small favors.

Zendeh bad haghighat va edalat.

simorgh

i hope you do realise that you almost appear to be supporting suicide bombings by children in you last comment to me. now there's one for the 'weird' file!

'if it is alright for palestinians, it is alright for iranians' seems to be your line.

btw, palestinians do Not strap bombs to their 7 year olds. that's just your empty propaganda talking. rather, it is the israelis that shoot bombs and bullets at palestinian children. not that you would care...

peace

Q, you are a bad liar

Q what does the link you posted has anything to do with the point I was making? The holocaust survivor in the article, as mentioned by the survivor himself, obviously knew what was going on when the Nazis took them; he knew that he was in a Nazi death camp with his father.

The Jewish boy in the 'life is beautiful' movie, however, was made to believe by his father that the whole death camp experience was all a game! and that part of the fictional story was what Abarmard was referring to, in order to 'prove' his nonsensical talking point. That part of the movie's story remains fiction. You Islamists are really bad liars. You spew obvious lies just like Ahmadinejad.

The Headline “Q” !!! (Edited)

“a glimpse of how real human beings behaved under circumstances infinitely worse than any of us can even talk about.”   

Just wondering if Hitler would have had ordered for the closure of that “Kahrizak” type “concentration camp” shown in Q’s posted video clip after finding out that the guards there had mistakenly raped & tortured one of his dear friends’ son!!! At least the Nazis were not wearing masks while executing their prisoners like the “The Cowards in Masks” who execute the “unreal human beings” in IRAN!!!!  

Wow.

Amazing number of comments. From what I read so far, the majority
think she is brained washed and more cynical ones, go as far as claiming that it is done for getting political asylum...

There is a difference between being brainwashed and process of socialization. The kid
comes across as very intelligent and articulate, in a manner that is
inconsistent with having been indoctrinated - she is natural and
spontaneous.

I can understand the negative comments from some parents, it's natural
to be protective of your offspring; but she is not your child.  Her
unique experiences make her very different from your precious one(s).

Pahlevan, how big a hater are you?

Things like that did happen all the time, and even worse. Here's an example:

//www.jweekly.com/article/full/10512/-life-is-beautiful-real-life-parallel/

but way to avoid the issue by your personal insults, cursing and laughable bold face name calling! You really showed everyone there your superior logic and reasoning!

Haters will be haters. Haters always defend anything and everything, only to advance their self-centered agenda one pathetic bit.

Abarmard .... really?

Do you always reference fictional movies to argue your "points"? this reminds me of a clip on Youtube where the guy being interviewed said martians must exist because it says so in the 'Mars Attacks' movie!!!

Abarmard, It seems to me like you don't think much before leaving a comment. That has been my experience reading your comments on Iranian.com; you might wanna try a bit of deliberation before leaving comments so that they wouldn't be so detached from reality.

Ari and Abarmard, perfect analogy

by Abarmard on Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:30 PM PST

During the movie life is beautiful, the father was protecting his child from Nazi German soldiers. This is nothing comparing to that. That's parenting.

What a perfect analogy, a glimpse of how real human beings behaved under circumstances infinitely worse than any of us can even talk about. Here's the clip:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzYO5O1grYg

Dirty Angel, you have pleasantly surprised me, and I bet many others. Thanks for speaking out.

Dingo Daddy En Passant, I have no love lost for the Pahlavis, but I'm happy to have met a Monarchist with real integrity, to make me think we can get along. I would not let these "high horse" hypocrites get to you. Of course you will be called an IRI supporter. Reality never matters, and there's a serious lack of imagination -- not to mention vocuabulary -- on the part of the attack dogs. These people, blinded by hate, have always been the first in line to shamelessly "volunteer" other people's lives for their own political benefit, so their cheering of this tragedy is not a surprise at all. Excellent questions you raised.

ahosseini

What is sad is that this seven year-old kid understanding of Iran's problems is much more that a clueless adult like you. If you were slow kid who could never understand what the grown-ups were talking don't just assume that's the case for everybody else. The fact that this kid knows a lot about world affairs and politics doesn't mean that her parents forced her to do anything ... it just means that she is a smart kid that listens and learns when grown-ups around her talk about politics.

I know you really don't mean to but

this is just so offensive.

" It would have made sense if she cried and told stories about being deprived of having a doll or a toy"

if they break her and she weeps like a broken doll that would be 'organic' , but if she was raised to fight back and don't back off, and instead of crying, she demands her rights, it must be staged.

Forget all the 'geo-political' stuff that she says( I'm sure all of us at some stage in  our  lives have spoken really big words, that we couldn't chew), just pay attention to her words about her direct experience, her school and all that. Those are all genuine, and most of you could see this ten times, and you still don't get it. 

I know many kids like her

I know many kids like her, whose parents were political prisnoners. These kids had to go visit their parents in Evin or Ghezel Hesaar prisons; as a result they never experience a normal childhood, courtesy of the Islamofascist regime of Iran.

Though the kids I know could never articulate their inner frustrations as elegantly as her. She is a smart kid ... smarter than many of the grown-ups on this site, that's for sure.