MOJAHEDIN

THE BOTTOM LINE

Here is the bottom line:

 1- NIAC is an unofficial lobby for IRI.

 2- MEK has no support among majority of the Iranian people, and for good reasons.

3- Iranians want the IRI to be removed, that’s demand # 1, however, once IRI is removed they do not want to replace it with MEK.

4- We need to take responsibility for our own actions and stop blaming U.S, CIA, BBC, England, Arabs, Israel, China, Russia, elves, aliens, etc….for our problems. WE took down Mossadegh in 28 khordad and WE brought in Khomeini in 1979. Whatever CIA or MI6 or whomever planned for us and their involvement had minimal effect, and those two events would not have occurred without OUR will. So, WE need to take responsibility.

5- Leftist/Nationalism will take us nowhere. Arguments about Iran being the danger of “segregating” and U.S wants to “annex Khuzestan” and “we are an Aryan nation’ and “all non Aryans, specially Arabs, are our enemies” belong to the 19th century, not even the 20th century! Those days are gone. We need to think as 21st century humans, not live in the past.

6- Islam is not the root of our problems, but Shiteism, which is a copy of Zoroastrianism, is to blame for many of our problems, but in general, we have been religious people from day 1 and that has been our Achilles’ heels. Have we not read the history and read about what Zoroastrian Mullahs did to Christians and others in ancient Iran? No different than what Mullahs are doing these days.

 7- Pre-Islam Iran should NOT be the model to build a 21st century Iran. Koroush and Darosh were NOT saints. They were kings and dictators just like anyone else. We should not let IRI’s extreme anti-ancient Iranian policies make us fall into racism-chauvinism.

8- We all need to put all ideological differences aside and unite to fight IRI.

With regards.

One more thing

Dear AI

Must see video

If you haven't already, make sure you watch this video. It's terrifying how much support the MEK has been able to buy.

Dear VPK

My parents, who are both Jewish say the exact same thing as you. So what you are saying is not new to my ears. I simply don't agree. None of it makes sense as Iran was Israel's largest trading partner at the time. Iran was Irael's only natural ally at the time.Iran was not a soviet Satellite like the majority of its Arab enemies.

Shah was not liked by the Brits/USA because of his oil policies. He also said some wacky stuff as I stated below (he also said a lot of correct stuff). Where there/Are there Israelis who feel as you state above? I am sure. But this was not official Israeli policy. Loosing Iran was a great loss to Israel. 

Shah was his own worst enemy as he really though he was an American puppet. He thought the Americans wanted him out so he did not resist and just left. He did this twice. I always tell my father- Shah was a weak leader. He loved Iran immensely, he did great things for Iran but he was a poor leader and had a wacky view of himself and the world around him. 

Does Israel want a weak IRI? Yes. I want a weak IRI as well.  I don't think Israel ever wanted a weak Iran as Iran was the enemy of all its Arab neighbors. Once Sadat came, the Shah was instrumental in getting the Israelis and Sadat together as Sadat switched sides, left the Russians and joined the US axis like the Shah.  

I think US policy re nation building is the worst idiotic thing ever imagined by anyone. 

So far, Ahmadinejad and Co have been AIPAC's best friend. I have said it many times. But at the end, it was Iranians who bought into Khomeini's promises. 

Dear VPK

My parents, who are both Jewish say the exact same thing as you. So what you are saying is not new to my ears. I simply don't agree. None of it makes sense as Iran was Israel's largest trading partner at the time. Iran was Irael's only natural ally at the time.Iran was not a soviet Satellite like the majority of its Arab enemies.

Shah was not liked by the Brits/USA because of his oil policies. He also said some wacky stuff as I stated below (he also said a lot of correct stuff). Where there/Are there Israelis who feel as you state above? I am sure. But this was not official Israeli policy. Loosing Iran was a great loss to Israel. 

Shah was his own worst enemy as he really though he was an American puppet. He thought the Americans wanted him out so he did not resist and just left. He did this twice. I always tell my father- Shah was a weak leader. He loved Iran immensely, he did great things for Iran but he was a poor leader and had a wacky view of himself and the world around him. 

Does Israel want a weak IRI? Yes. I want a weak IRI as well.  I don't think Israel ever wanted a weak Iran as Iran was the enemy of all its Arab neighbors. Once Sadat came, the Shah was instrumental in getting the Israelis and Sadat together as Sadat switched sides, left the Russians and joined the US axis like the Shah.  

I think US policy re nation building is the worst idiotic thing ever imagined by anyone. 

So far, Ahmadinejad and Co have been AIPAC's best friend. I have said it many times. But at the end, it was Iranians who bought into Khomeini's promises. 

You really do not need to go thru NIAC. Here is how....

While it helps to have mass mailing on a subject thru representatives, especially when they bring you thousands of hard copies of letters on one subject, you really do not need to go thru NIAC.  Here is how to Contact your Elected US Officials.   

But, make a habit of contacting them about various subjects, such as taxes, infrastructure, schools and try to parcipitate in their phone town-halls, i.e., don't be a one-horse-town.

Dear AI

• Be the only friend America had; so they did not want Shah.
• Get Iranian jews to migrated to Israel. They failed because they mostly migrated to America!

IRI policies are bad and I agree. But Israel wants a weak Iran. Not an ally. Therefore they oppose any force that will make a strong Iran specially a pro Western one. The last thing AIPAC wants is competition. So they do not want a Shahi or a Secular Iran. Just see what America did to Iraq. Did they give them a secular state: No! They gave them an Islamic Republic just like in Afghanistan. 

Dear VPK

At the end, all I am saying is stop blaming others- Carter, Lewis, AIPAC, Israel. Start blaming Iranians for what is happening  and has happened to Iran. These entities are all after the IRI directly because of IRI policies. They will not back off until IRI is out of business. IRI is a beast out of control and is leading the nation to disaster. You are entitled to your views. I meant no disrespect.  Peace. 

No Mammad You are Full of it!

You support people (Mousavi, Karoubi, Khatami) that supported Velayeteh Fagih and still support the fagih constitution. You though of Khomeini as an "imam". You supported the MEK/had similar political views with them prior to the revolution. By the way, people like Mousavi, Khatami & Karroubi were instrumental in "Hijacking" the revolution that you supported. And now you support them as "reformers"!

Also, you are full of it when you say you are for democracy and freedom of speech/religion. You have already spelled out what you mean by freedom of speech and religion for future Iran. Remember the blog where in your democracy for Iran, you would not allow freedom of press/religion to "multi national corporations" because they are out to "convert Iranians to Christianity"? Your words not mine.  

Also, Please read my post. I did not deny that Lewis is not for Iran's desintegration. I asked  whether he was an advocate of such policy during the Shah's time. I also question whether his advocacy of such a policy is meaningfull anyway.

I am saying that we should stop our conspiracy theory bullshit and start blaming ourselves for what has happened and is happening to Iran. Stop blaming others Mammad. Blame yourself and you wacky backwards political views. Its IRI policy, Islamist ideology, nuclear policy, support for terror groups (Taliban, Alqeda, trouble making in Iraq, Hezbollah, Lebanon, Syria) that has everyone after it. By Everyone I mean USA, EU, Israel, AIPAC, the ARAB states. No one likes the IRI Mammad. No one!

While no one likes the IRI, you have clowns like Trita/NIAC advocating for negotiations with these nut jobs and they simply look the other way when it comes to IRI crimes. Trita is nuttier than Bernard Lewis. If NIAC can bypass all IRI crimes (current/past), why can't they bypass MEK crimes from 30 years ago?  

Remember, there is nothing Iranian about the IRI. They are the most anti Iranian entity to rule over Iranian territory in the past 2500 years. You support dealing/negotiating with the IRI because you think it can change from within. 

You are full of it Professor! 

AI

• Molla and Mamad are not my friends. I just happen to call it as I see it. If Molla said smoking is bad for you and I agreed does not make me his friend. If Mamad said MEK is bad does not make me his friend. Remember even a broken clock is right twice a day or at least once if you use the 24 hour system.
• Bernie and I do not share the same feelings on Islam. I oppose Islam; Bernie wants Islam to remain. In order to weaken the ME. To make us superstitious so Israel gets strong at our cost.
• I do agree we need another organization. Make it happen. It need not be American but should be open to all people. Iranians and those who support us anywhere.

How about

On MKO

Responses`

• The "Carter Plan" is the Green Belt plan by which they inflamed Islamic radicalism. The idea came from Brzezinski. It is wwll documented. Its goal was to topple Soviets at the cost of Islamic radicalism. JC was an idiot and fell for it. The British has their own score to settle with Shah for not being a good puppet. Because Shah refused to renew the oil deal with them.
• I agree that we need to oppose Bernie and MEK. Whatever organization you want to make is fine. Or we could use a multi-pronged approach including NIAC. Also as individuals.
• I do not normally agree with Mammad. I did and do not support the revolution against Shah. But here we are and better move. Our numbers give us power not NIAC.

Dear Bavafa

I absolutely agree with your analysis of MKO as an organization and its past. You’ll get no arguments from me

But I believe where our paths apart is in the ways we choose to confront this group and its leaders

I know that due to the fact that there has been lots of insincerity and deceit in our society over the past 33 years sometimes it is very difficult to believe someone’s true intentions. Because of this mistrust before we know it all sort of conspiracy theories will fill our mind and makes hard to believe.. But I will try to explain myself a bit more clear here.

There are two main reasons for which I believe MKO should be brought out of the shadows and into the light.

The first reason as I explained is that I legitimately believe that the only way one can fight darkness is by shining light upon it. Bringing MKO leaders and followers into the light and forcing them to answer our questions, like the ones you have raised is the best way to confront and expose them and not only to stop them from claiming more victims, but  to even try and reclaim some of their victims back.

However, bringing a group such as MKO to light and giving them some basic freedom or rights could and would NEVER give them legitimacy as legitimacy is something that can never be given to a person or group but it has to be earned trough their conduct, transparency, explanation of past behaviour and accepting their errors when due by showing the signs of change. Furthermore the MKO should NOT be trusted and we always need to keep an eye on them until we are sure that they have changed their ways. But this could only be done in an open and transparent environment where there are no more shadows to hide in

The second reason for this position is a principal which is more important to me than even my personal feelings or political orientation and that is freedom of choice. As much as you and I might hate MKO leadership and ideology or disagree with its members, we could not and should not take away their freedom of choice.

It only takes on exception and exclusion in the principal of democracy and Freedom of choice before the whole system collapses and we will again end up with a one party only dictatorship instead of a plural democracy, where even you and I will be prosecuted for our beliefs. This again reminds me of an old saying by Martin Niemöller who lived in Nazi Germany which goes like this

“First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me”

These exclusions and discriminations always start with the worst and the most unpopular and end up with taking the best of the best as its victim. This is why we should never by pass the safe guard of due process by resorting to blank discrimination.

For me personally defending the rights of this group of all, the group which is the one that I have had the most quarrels with, before anything was a matter of core principals, as at the end of the day I had to face myself in the mirror and answer one important question.

Do I believe in democracy or not.

If I do then I should advocate the right of every group regardless of my own opinion or feeling towards them.

I also believe that it is very easy to defend the rights of heroes such as M Osanloo, Behrooz Javid Tehrani and Haleh Sahaabi or popular groups and leaders such as Reza Pahlavi as one will get almost no opposition to that and most of the times it is even fashionable to do so. But the real test comes when one finds him/her-self in a position of choice, to defend or ignor the rights of the not so popular or even hated groups such as MKO.  Not because one likes or even agrees with them but to uphold the principals and obligation to his/her belief in democracy and due process.

I hop this could explain the aims and reasons behind my position

mammad: I used to think

mammad: I used to think very highly of you though I disagreed with you almost entirley. I have lost all respect for you...It is very sad to watch you deterioriate mentally and perhaps physically in public.

You suuport Mousavi and Karoubi, shariati, and you think you are better than the Shah or the MEK?? 

You are a dreadful boring fraud...

AI and cheerleader

You and your cheerleader are full of it.

The IRI is here because, (1) there was a revolution, and (2) because the revolution, after toppling the Shah, was hijacked. You and people like you have repeated this nonsense so much and so often, that you actually believe in it.

Yes, I supported the revolution. But, what I supported was a revolution that was supposed to lead to a democratic republic, not velaayat-e faghih. How about you? What do you support?

I do not believe in the so-called "Carter plan." I challenge anyone who believes in it to give a credible source for it. As for Bernard Lewis, just do a google search to find and read it for yourself.

Your cheerleader did her usual stuff!! As soon as my name was brought in, she posted her usual "bravo," the same woman who used to call me "one of the most under-rated Iran experts." But, in the so-called democracy that she believes in, there is no place for a practicing Muslim like me. As soon as she found out I am such, everything gone out of the window. She, a believer in a religion - not a non-believer, but someone who actually believes in a religion - says that she cannot wait to see Islam and Muslims to leave Iran. That is the type of democracy she supports, behind all the smoke screen.

As I said, rational thinking has abadoned some. The cheerleader is a good example of it.

Mammad

Oon Yaroo

That is not the point, although as terrible as IRI has been, it has kept Iran intact despite 8 year war with Iraq, and UAE constant threats against the three Islands with the support of other Arab states, the collapse of the Soviet Union, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Pakistan's great instability. The Shah lost Bahrain.

The point is to prevent a scenario that people like me are concerned about and described in my last post. That is part of the struggle for democracy. First, Iran must remain intact, and then struggle for democracy.

Mammad

Yes, Lewis has been after disintegrating Iran for decades

Mammad

AI: Bravo. One of your best

AI: Bravo. One of your best posts ever. I couldn't agree more. Absolving ourselves from responsibility seems to be our national pastime...

siavash300: Vildemose is a

siavash300: Vildemose is a she...

You're welcome. I would sign the petition and know many other will too if it were not associated with NIAC.  At this point, Obama adminstration, does not trust NIAC and their so-called reforming the IRI. The democrats don't buy that argument anymore because the regime is fundamentally not into what's good for the nation...The adminstration finally believes that the regime is only faking pragmatism and it is not really interested in getting along with other nations...As Kissinger said, the IRI views its existence as  a cause not just being a country..very much like communist Russia.

I don't think or believe the petition has 2 be signed under NIAC

We can each individually call our representative, write awareness type article, solicit help from friends to call their representative, if we are aligned with other groups (Monarchs, JM or…) sign under their umbrella. But as long as we stay united against legitimization of MEK.

Although if we can come together under one group, our voice will be heard louder, but I will be willing to sign under any group as long as they are for a democratic and free Iran. This includes Monarchist, JM, etc.

In all of this, we ought to also voice our support for the rank and file of MEK members, to be given a way out (if they want to) perhaps asylum and a way to restablish themselves in the society and participate in the political system.

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Vildemose has a good point

Yes, I personally didn't sign the petition because it was from a group who back stab my people. Why should I ? Now,if it was from patriatic people, sure I would have sign the petition against MEK. Thanks vildemose for his/her suggestion.

VPK

I did not ask you to play with words. I find your comment interesting as you and Bernie Lewis essentially have the same feelings re Islam. I stand by my question regarding Bernie Lewis's "plan" and your unsubstantiated claims. Just because you said it a dozen times, it does not mean that its true. Unfortunatly, you sound like my parents. Everything is a conspiracy.  Just because Bernard Lewis did not like the Shah, that does not mean that he was the cause for the Shah's removal. Just because Bernard Lewis advocates for Iran's breakup, it does not mean that when Iran breaks up, its beacuse of Bernard Lewis. 

What about the Carter "plan" you referred to? You accept people to agree with you that there was a Carter plan?

Again, Carter was an idiot. He lost Iran. He was a die hard liberal bafoon and that is why he lost Iran. His Malfeasance was a direct cause of the Shah's fall but Carter had no Plan as you have stated multiple times.  

So I'm not accused of playing around the bush here. If god forbid Iran does get carved up or if there is such a plan, it is because of the IRI and its policies. IRI is here today not because of CIA, Carter, Bernard Lewis or anyone else. IRI is here today because of people with the mind set of Mammad and Mola (your new Islamist IC friends).  Iranians gave birth to the IRI. Iranians are responsible for its consequences. Iranians must stop  blaming outsiders all the time. 

Finally, I agree with Vildmose- Not to many Iranians really trust NIAC. NIAC is probably affraid of MEK because once they are delisted, they will have more political influcence than NIAC. NIAC has been a total failure.

Bavafa jan: In full

Bavafa jan: In full agreement::: DO something....LOL What do we do???

I think we need to

I think we need to establish a brand new group with no controversial track record, exclusively, to oppose this diabolic plan. Something like patriots against balkanization of Iran or Patriots against Mercenary MEK?? Start a separate petition not under the NIAC umberalla. I think more people will sign the petition if NIAC were not involved...

I don't know what else can we do? At this point anything associated with NIAC will not be considered as trustworthy by the Obama admin....

Vildemose Jaan: A very valid point you make

And one that many of us have also been trying to make. NIAC is not the issue here and only one of the entity that is taking a lead in opposition to legitimization of MEK. People can and should have their fight and opposition to NIAC any time, no arguments there, only this is about legitimization of MEK and if we can not unite against such thing how are ever expected to unite and accomplish greater tasks, such as fighting and removing IRI.

I am afraid though that a few are just mixing issues just to muddy the water either for:

- their covert support for MEK and they can not just come out and plainly say so

or

- their opposition and prejudice for NIAC is so strong that any thing NIAC opposes, they will automatically support even if that is MEK

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

AI

OY

Vildemose