Amir Parviz for secular monarchy

Dear Amirkabir

Have you ever wondered quoran can be PRINTED too? AND those who print it decide HOW TO TRANSLATE it too. Also it been about 1400 years ago since you are a thinking person I ask you;

Yes the implication then is that the Quoran now is not accurate. Probably true and if so then it is NOT the word of God right? No matter how it was originally today it is word of man. Therefore not to be obeyed as word of God. Just my point.

How do you know what Mohammad did was reported correctly???

Yes. Much of Mohammad's acts were reported by Muslim devotees. So I assumed they did a good job. But let us say they did not. That means hadit is inaccurate. One more thing to not be used as a basis of what to do.

The outcome is that what is now Islam i.e. Quoran and Hadit is work of man. Therefore it is not divine. We might as well treat it as so meaning no special sacred place.

Dear VPK

Have you ever wondered quoran can be PRINTED too? AND those who print it decide HOW TO TRANSLATE it too. Also it been about 1400 years ago since you are a thinking person I ask you;

How do you know what Mohammad did was reported correctly???

Dear Amirkabir

Not all religions speak of heaven as Abrahamics do. Many people think of religion as the "people of book". However there are many other belief systems. People believe in  different things from reincarnation to nothing.

Therefore we have no agreement. If we did it still means nothing without verification. Because no one has come back with proof we have just our personal guess. In my opinion man did invent heaven to deal with fear of what is next.

Regarding Islam I do not base my criticism on IRI. Rather on what is in Quoran. And what Mohammad did as reported. Tell me what Islam says about people who insist on not believing.

Amir

sorry to disappoint you but who said;

"With the advent of Islam just being "A Moslem" guarantees you a place in a man invented heaven in the after life"

First of all man did not invent heaven. All religions talk about it.

Secondly, moslems need to work for heaven as it is not as easy you mentioned. In fact according to some going to heaven is harder for muslems.

PS: the existing government does not represent islam, therefore it might be more beneficial if you looked somewhere else to underst 

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy ,

Agreed sir. Attacking beliefs is one thing attacking people is another.

Agreed Amirparviz

We Need to be open to criticism of our values, which is not an attack on us, just our beliefs.  This is what is missing.

Yes that is what is missing and what I want to get. Because I am sick of this "insulted me" ***. People specially Muslims are way too thin skinned about things. Get over it. If others say things you don't like too bad. It is their free speech right.

Responses

We are people and are not going to be "unified". That whole concept of diversity goes against being unified. Different people think differently and that is it. This is NOT the reason Iran is behind.

America has freedom of speech and thought. Disagreements; attacks even demonetization are common. They call the President whatever just listen to AM radio. But still America is great and that is why. 

Demanding unification is killing free thought. If I want to demonize Islam that is my business. If 2050 wants to trash Kourosh that is his right. Our problem is not lack of unity it is lack of tolerance. Please stop demanding we all think the same way. 

Iran 2050.

We Need to be open to criticism of our values, which is not an attack on us, just our beliefs.  This is what is missing.  We attack each other, that is wrong and don't debate our values.  I can give you an example of my own, I love gods creatures. I love horses, cats, dogs, squirrels etc.  One day a person attacked my beliefs and gave their alternative, which was that these are all just meat to be eaten!  You can imagine how upset I was, but this started a conversation between us that got us to fight for values and be tolerant of each others views, no matter how much we disagree with them, it forces us to come up wth our response to them with our own ideas.  This is the right way, not fighting each other physically, but fighting for our values. 

As I always say: With Iranians like this, who needs external ene

Leadership and Unity can overcome our issues/weaknesses so we can respond to the exploitation of our issues/weaknesses which will make us a target once again.  Divide and rule is the only approach we need to answer to so we can restore freedom and progress.

We need to handle our issues/weaknesses in a way that we all come together, even muslims.  So our weakness/issue to be defined, is not having religous authorities, it is their corruption, their intolerance, their desire to have power and impose on others their rules.

Clearly if we don't get the unified, willing and motivated support of a tolerant muslim majority wanting for us to create a healthier happier culture and instead they behave like they behaved in 1979, then the nature of leadership that will rise will be against them and have the support it needs to succeed, they will not be demonized but much worse by a nationalist movement, so really getting the muslims to go along with changes and doing it through discussion will be a far better and more unified approach,it is the muslims who have only themselves to blame for their support of extremists in 1979 and they deserve a chance to proactively fix their mistakes.

A Free Iran will have many atheists, agnostics and other religions living under one roof.  All these groups must be open to criticism of their values.

Check out this level of intelligence!

According to “some”, if you call for fairness and justice for all mankind, and if you do not like to see anyone or any culture belittled or insulted based on their religion or way of life, and if you ask for universal justice for all, and if you engage in constructive criticism of Iranian culture only so it can get better, and if you call for racism and chauvinism to stop in Iran and if you present historical facts, then you must be:

A closet Muslim who hates Iran (specifically the pre Islamic “Aryan” period) who is probably Arabic (To be more specific as I’ve hear it before: a Saudi Arabian posing as an Iranian!!!!!), and defends Islam blindly and defends “indefensible” Islamic acts and is an intruder who is out to get the “glorious” Iranian culture and destroy it!

Ladies and gentleman: that’s why Iran is behind. This is how some Iranians think! This is what progressive forces who want to build a future democratic secular Iran, not a racist Nazi type intolerant bigot chauvinistic or an ultra religious Iran, have to deal with. We either get bamboozled by Shah and his cronies saying we are “un Iranian” or from Khomeini and his cronies saying we are “un Islamic”!!!!!

Demonizing an entire

Demonizing an entire religion and entire way of life and approximately 1 billion people who are not in any way shape or form similar to Khomeini or Bin Ladan and who are some of the nicest people you ever meet in your life is wrong.

Islam is NOT the cause of Iran’s ills. Murder in the name of religion and atrocities and intolerance did occur in Zoroastrian Iran in the name of Zoroastrianism as much as it did anywhere else in the world in the name of any other religion or way of life or nationality. It is wrong, unscientific and historically false to single out Islam and to portray it as “evil”. The Khemer rouge who were non religious, far from Islamic as it can get killed 2 billion people in record time, and their heritage was Buddhist , which is supposed to be as peaceful as it can be! So a mixture of Budhism and anti religiousness caused mass murder!

Let’s be fair, lets not be intolerant and close minded.

One more thing

I read a lot of so posters who say "I am not a Muslim". Then go on to passionately defend anything Islamic. And to attack any criticism of it. Given that Tagiyeh is legal in Shia I am not sure what to believe. 

Therefore I have made up some rules to tell who is really and Islamist and not. It is not perfect and may mess up. Sometimes liberals show up as Islamist its a risk.

• Do they defend any act of Mohammad no matter how indefensible.
• Do they get very angry when Islam is criticized.
• Do they hate pre-Islamic civilizations specially Iran.

If they fit the bill then I suspect them.

COP Jan

You got very good points but I am hopeful. Islam has run its cours in Iran because of the information age. It is no longer possible to hide behind ignorance. The intellectuals you mention are the old school and will not change.

But people have figured it out and are not buying it. For generations Islam was fueled in Iran by intellectuals. Who tried to put a good face on it. They made up great stories and attributed them to Mohammad or Ali and so on. But now the lie is over.

We know what it is all about. They may write their BS but everyone knows marrying a 6 year old is wrong. Whitewashing of murder of Banu Qurayza is not gonna do. It is now all available on the internet and no Mullah will stop it.

Good Point

But the 50 years or so preceeding the Islamist take over of 1979 was a short "break" in the post-islamic history of Iran and that 14 centruies of forced assimialtion (most of it by internal elements who beat their chest for an alien belief "system") has created a culture that trumps everything else before it. Just read the posts of some of these folks who bad-mouth the regime on one side of their mouth, but begin to bark and have a heartattack everytime their beloved bedouin belief system is criticized.

When you listen to some of these so called intellectuals (educated ones) you begin to realize why and how a nation that was treading the progressive path like Iran was, can fall into a deep religious coma with a bunch of euneducated fucks at the helm ruling over the people with an iron fist.

Even if the regime changes today and is replaced by a secular nationalist and democratic government, those elements who benefited (both materially and otherwise) from the meyhem of the last 32 yeasr will not rest until the country is in the toilet again.

As I always say: With Iranians like this, who needs external enemies?

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IRAN FIRST

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I enjoyed this video and wish we had a little of this

cuteness in Iran.  //www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEMNy7-6le8

Happier days are on the way.  : )

It Is so very significant that our community is clear minded

and in a position to Lead and debate with others regarding the causation of our success & happiness and the causation of our poverty and misery.  Religion impact culture and limits it in so many complex ways, it affects our collective thoughts and philosophies.

I can smell the Freedom that is going to come once the Regime falls, provided we have the leadership and unity to respond to the exploitation of our weaknesses which will make us a target once again.  This time I pray we are more faithful to our strengths and respond with responsibility not just raw idealistic emotions. 

Amirparviz

Thank you for writing this blog it is about time someone did it. You are right. The religious mumbo jumbo in Iran has gone off the chart and made hell. All happiness is replaced with crying over a long gone Arab "Imam" or whatever.

The only good thing is that it proved once for all how full of it Islamists are.

Never again will they be trusted. Once IRI goes it will take Islam with it. No one with a brain trusts this *** anymore.