Questions, what am I missing on this?

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

I have a question that I want to find some answers to. How come religious nations are mostly so cruel, wicked and utterly corrupt?

Surely Religion was intended to lead people toward creating greater tolerance and harmony, no?  Based on my travels and meeting all the people I have met, it seems goodness, beauty and truth does not come from religious values necessarily.  The written words of god seem to have the opposite effect. 

The idea of pursuing prosperity with harm to none.  Loving people instead of controlling them.  It seems religious nations don't honor these values in practice.  In Religous nations the people equate freedom to weapons and military technology, nukes, rather than the ideals and values of the individual leaders that command them. 

Religous nations seem to breed a more materialistic society in practice than people living in service to love, truth or peace.  Religous countries like Iran & America for example, appear to be rotting from the inside, the people are becoming disingenuous, back stabbing, bullying.  The politics is a disaster, no decency there. 

And the people are under so much stress and hardship unable to even keep a home or have health care or eat 3 meals a day.  I don't see the word of god as having a good effect, the mullahs, priests, rabbis etc are often the worst criminals, snake oil salesmen.  Is it because religion is based on fear & control? I just don't get it


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Maybe the key to good societies is a free and just culture.

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

So that the people can not benefit from control/harm.

And if Religion overtakes the culture then we have problems both for the religion and the culture.

But their must be more.


Interesting points of view

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

DW The US is a secular nation, I think it secular helps with creating wiser social justice and allows for more scentific progress and ability to live with good ideas that trump religous rules, yet may of the people are highly religous (and then there are many atheists).  Good points, maybe I am barking up the wrong tree, I just see what crooks, cheats, liars some of the religous people can be and expected them to be different.

Cost-of-Progress:  Very rational way of looking at it.

Maryam: The movie religulous basically proves what you are saying has more truth to it than people are comfortable admitting.


Summary: So its the human condition, I can see how if I look at it that way, then I realize how certain people can use it as a means to an end. 


Maryam Hojjat

Riligions are Man Made & are

by Maryam Hojjat on

Adviced by those who are corrupted business men in their deceitful ways of advocating.


Not to get philospohical, but

by Cost-of-Progress on

Religion was invented with a positive purpose in the very begining: to guide people in the absence of governance and laws. Today, the need for religion is still there because most of this planet's ever increasing population still lives and thinks as it did thousands of years ago and even most of those who live a modern life, still think ancient. Amazingly, this need may be stronger today.....depending on where you are and what your frame of mind is.

So....similar analogy to NRA's claim that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" can be used here. Religion doesn't necessarily make people savages, people do! Religion is just like that hand gun or assualt weapon in the hands of the nut that kills over 30 people in Virginia Tech:  Means to an end.




DW Duke

Secular Nations, HMM

by DW Duke on

Are non-religious nations any better?  USSR murdered 60 million people between 1917 and 1989.  What about China?  Is the issue religion or human rights abuses?